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Wireless om the move - any tips?

Hi,
I often take my XDA2i on the move but rarely seem able to pick up a wifi connection.
I've tried sitting outsite people's homes, outside shops and all sort but rarely succeed.
Can anyone offer any suggestions?
Cheers
Simon

Sign up with a provider or an aggregator like www.boingo.com. With 3G and 3.5G wifi access is becoming less and less important imho. You must be, like me, due for an upgrade.
Vario II + Web 'n' Walk = slight need for wifi

Hi,
The thing with these directories is you have to be online to know where the online locations are! Crazy!
Not sure what you mean by 3G - is my XDA2i going to be useless soon!?
Tell me more!
Cheers
Simon

Here is a few site you might be interested in:
http://www.wififreespot.com/europe.html
http://www.free-hotspot.com/
http://www.jiwire.com/
http://en.fon.com/

simonp820 said:
Not sure what you mean by 3G - is my XDA2i going to be useless soon!?
Simon
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Yout phone is GSM/GPRS, Already there is EDGE (in some countries) which is faster and GSM technology. Also deployed is UTMS (3G) [~384 kbit/s] and coming is HSDPA. The last gives 5+ * UMTS download.
Google for any of the acronyms to learn more.

Does the Alpine not have 3G?

Does the Alpine not have 3G?

No the Alpine does not have 3g. It is GSM.
No the Alpine does not have 3g. It is GSM. ;-)

kevino said:
simonp820 said:
Not sure what you mean by 3G - is my XDA2i going to be useless soon!?
Simon
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Yout phone is GSM/GPRS, Already there is EDGE (in some countries) which is faster and GSM technology. Also deployed is UTMS (3G) [~384 kbit/s] and coming is HSDPA. The last gives 5+ * UMTS download.
Google for any of the acronyms to learn more.
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At present, HSDPA is only available within the M25 area and VERY few high-density urban areas outside of London, and it's only available on Vodafone afaik, so it's not so practical just yet
I wouldn't give up on wifi just yet, I signed up to credecard , which you pay for minutes at wifi hotspots, but every month they give you ten minutes' access at any supported hotspot FREE (yes, free) and only begin to charge you (per minute) if you go over. The first month you sign up, you get half an hour's free usage! Not bad huh, and you can use it on TheCloud hotspots and loads of other ones.

OK, so there's EDGE, GSM, GPRS, GMRS, HSDPA, HSUPA, UTMS and WiFi, so where does WAP come into all this?
lol
and I thought 3G/UTMS was about 1.8Mbps?
sebastian

Simple instructions for getting POINTUI installed on XDA11i
Simple instructions for installing the POINTUI program onto my XDA11i .
Thank you.

My alpine is great for this job. I can connect to wifi networks on 2 coffee bars (..) that have unsecured networks in my town, while i'm in the shop but also 10 meters away from it. Compared to blue angel and prophet that i have tested so far..alpine with wm2003se has great wifi reception.

Any chance of sending/posting some information on your Wi Fi settings ... please ??

HSDPA Connectivity options in UK

Hi there,
I've had a quick look around the forums and see posts which are in other countries - so I wanted to ask in a new thread.
I'm in the UK and considering getting a TyTN2 (currently on an Xda Orbit).
I have some questions which im having a little trouble in finding definitive answers to -
1. Is it possible to use the TyTN2 as a 'modem'? i.e connect to the Internet at high speed and 'relay' the information to my laptop? if so, would that mean connecting the laptop and the TyTN2 via a cable? wifi? bluetooth?
2. If the above can be done wirelessly, is it then possible to share on 2 laptops? (I have a main Dell XPS M1710 and a XPS M1330 for more portable needs)
3. I'm currently with O2 for my voice calls. I can get another providers service and was looking at the 3 network for it's nice pricing, however it looks like I have to connect using their specific modem. Is it possible to connect to 3's network using the TyTN2?
4. The other operators Vodafone, Orange T mobile etc - would it be a case of sgning up to an airtime deal and popping the SIM card into the TyTN2, syncing to my laptop and away I go ?
I live around the West London, Heathrow area and am here 99% of my time - I understand full speed HSDPA won't be available all the time when travelling away and could be at much reduced speeds etc - at that point, what is 'surfing' on the screen like on the TyTN2? I find browsing on the Orbit using wifi a bit of a strain on that small screen, any better on the TyTN2? I 'doubt' it really and thats why Iwant to use my laptops screen(s)
Apologies if this is covered in other posts, I could only find sporadic info and from other countries etc
Any ideas and responses well appreciated !
cheers, Dennis Cooper!

DennisCooper said:
1. Is it possible to use the TyTN2 as a 'modem'? i.e connect to the Internet at high speed and 'relay' the information to my laptop? if so, would that mean connecting the laptop and the TyTN2 via a cable? wifi? bluetooth?
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You can use TyTN II as modem, but it's not exactly a *modem* - it uses network sharing application instead. Basically the idea is that TyTN becomes something like 'access point', which acts as a gateway to the internet for your computer. Connectivity options are USB cable and Bluetooth. I use both of them without much hassle, but I don't know how to do it in Windows world (I'm a Linux-boy
2. If the above can be done wirelessly, is it then possible to share on 2 laptops? (I have a main Dell XPS M1710 and a XPS M1330 for more portable needs)
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I don't think so. Unless you'll manage to set up whole thing like that:
TyTN II --> internet sharing --> XPS M1710 --> internet sharing --> XPS M1330
But I never tried such configuration.
3. I'm currently with O2 for my voice calls. I can get another providers service and was looking at the 3 network for it's nice pricing, however it looks like I have to connect using their specific modem. Is it possible to connect to 3's network using the TyTN2?
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Yes, it is possible. They have recently introduced their Mobile Broadband offer (£10 / 1GB / month) into pay as you go, so you don't have to buy separate modem. Just get their payg SIM card, put it into Kaiser, activate Mobile Broadband add-on, get connection settings from their website, and use Internet Sharing app, as mentioned above. Should work.
4. The other operators Vodafone, Orange T mobile etc - would it be a case of sgning up to an airtime deal and popping the SIM card into the TyTN2, syncing to my laptop and away I go ?
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I only know how it works for T-Mobile. They have £1 per day internet access offer on pay as you go. However, there are some catches:
1) T&C don't allow to use it modems for computers (such as Kaiser and your laptops), BUT practically it works without any problems.
2) There is 40 MB daily limit, which is not 'fixed' - meaning that if you exceed it, you will be still able to use the service - but T-Mobile will have an eye on you, and will have right to cancel your card straight away if you'll keep exceeding it too often.
3) Their payg SIM cards are NOT allowed to use HSDPA service, meaning mere 384 kbps, without any chance to upgrade it - even if you are within HSDPA coverage.
So, basically - if you're light user, T-Mobile pay as you go option should be OK for you, but when you plan to use internet on the go more often - Three's Mobile Broadband should be a better deal for you.
Of course, you also have option to sign up for contract, for example T-Mobile's Flext + web'n'walk, which would give you both voice minutes, as well as internet access on the go, but it's up to you.
I live around the West London, Heathrow area and am here 99% of my time
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Ha! Just like me (TW14)
- I understand full speed HSDPA won't be available all the time when travelling away and could be at much reduced speeds etc - at that point, what is 'surfing' on the screen like on the TyTN2? I find browsing on the Orbit using wifi a bit of a strain on that small screen, any better on the TyTN2? I 'doubt' it really and thats why Iwant to use my laptops screen(s)
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I'm not sure what is HSDPA coverage by O2, but I'm on T-Mobile, and they basically have HSDPA deployed all around London already, with some sites upgraded to 3.6 Mbps speed.
When it comes to surfing on the screen, I recommend using Opera Mini 4. It's waaay better tha Pocket IE, and it's also much faster. It gives really great browsing experience in your pocket!

eva_d,
I am considering the tytn ii with the Flext 25 + web'n'walk from t-mobile, with it being 1gb a month unlimited internet access and my phone hsdpa compatible, does this price plan allow me to use hsdpa in london where i work rather than GPRS in a 3G covereage area?
thanks... sorry dennis to hijack your thread...

joelsoo said:
I am considering the tytn ii with the Flext 25 + web'n'walk from t-mobile, with it being 1gb a month unlimited internet access and my phone hsdpa compatible, does this price plan allow me to use hsdpa in london where i work rather than GPRS in a 3G covereage area?
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Yes, it allows HSDPA use.

I would check with t-mobile about the hsdpa theres a few posts about saying that t-mobile pulled hsdpa from the basic web and walk after mid october last year and made it availble to web and walk plus and the next higher tarrif. im on the £35 flext and web and walk basic and get hsdpa but i signed up in april last year. basically double check with t-mobile that you will get hsdpa on the w+w basic before you take out the contract.

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I would check with t-mobile about the hsdpa theres a few posts about saying that t-mobile pulled hsdpa from the basic web and walk after mid october last year and made it availble to web and walk plus and the next higher tarrif. im on the £35 flext and web and walk basic and get hsdpa but i signed up in april last year. basically double check with t-mobile that you will get hsdpa on the w+w basic before you take out the contract.
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This is true, and was told the same by the cust service rep on the phone. However i added the basic £7.50 W&W, and after enabling HSDPA in Kaisertweak, am getting recieving it anyway!

i just sent a message to tmobile and one of their customer represensatives called me up and say if i'm in a 3g area it will be running on HSDPA even on the flext 25 and web and walk.
however they say to take note on the 1gb cap per month data fair usage policy.
if that's the case, i think i'd sign on for the contract within the next few days together with the vario III
however i have an offer for an iphone for 300 quid contract free.... so i am abit of a fix of which one to go for...

Schooleydoo said:
This is true, and was told the same by the cust service rep on the phone. However i added the basic £7.50 W&W, and after enabling HSDPA in Kaisertweak, am getting recieving it anyway!
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I also have basic WnW package (£7.50/month), and I do get HSDPA, but I've started my contract in 2006. However, explanation for not giving HSDPA access in basic WnW seems to be fair and reasonable (although not necessarily loved by users) - as that basic package is designed to give internet connectivity directly from mobile phone, which would not be used as modem for computers. In such case, 384kbps (non-HSDPA) speed seems reasonable for use in phone only. When it comes to use it from computer, then it's low - but then you also need to get WnW Plus or Max packages...
I am going to upgrade do WnW Plus pretty soon, anyway. It's only £5 more per month, but allows legally use my Kaiser as modem, and also gives me full T-Mobile's WiFi hotspots access across UK.

No 3G or H Symbol on Orange UK?

Hi
I have a Vodafone branded Kaiser (unlocked), which I was initially using on BT Mobile and I always got a 3g or H symbol. But I've recently switched to Orange Uk and although I've been asured by Orange I have a 3G sim and I get fast data rates, I only ever see the G (GPRS) or E (Edge) symbols on my phone. Why is this so? Does anyone on Orange get the 3G symbol??

Maybe you just dont get Orange 3G signal where you are. I know unless I leave the area I live in I dont get 3G anywhere, and its not some out of the way little village either

Orange's 3g network coverage is quite good. So you should see a 3g symbol (unless you have switched your device to GSM instead of AUTO in the phone settings).
Their H coverage is getting better but is still only the major cities (and most of the M25).

Where do you live?
I'm in birmingham and only get it intermittently (H) although I'm usually always 3'd up when I remember to switch out of GSM (better for battery!).

Thanks for the replies. To clarify...
I live in Bristol (where Orange is based) and I get good 3G / H speeds (checked at http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1). I get speeds of around 1.7 to 2Mbps which is actually faster than my home hardwired broadband!!! But I never see the 3G or H symbol on the phone. I used to see these all the time on other networks (BT Mobile which subs to Vodafone 3G n/w), but never on Orange. I never changed any software on the phone when I switched and I presume because of the good speed I get that the setup is correct.
Can I just confirm that other Orange users actualy see the 3G symbol on their Kaisers?
Cheers

My Kaiser with the orange rom showed 3g (and H when active).
It still does with dutty's wm6.1 rom too.

jambell said:
Thanks for the replies. To clarify...
I live in Bristol (where Orange is based) and I get good 3G / H speeds (checked at http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1). I get speeds of around 1.7 to 2Mbps which is actually faster than my home hardwired broadband!!! But I never see the 3G or H symbol on the phone. I used to see these all the time on other networks (BT Mobile which subs to Vodafone 3G n/w), but never on Orange. I never changed any software on the phone when I switched and I presume because of the good speed I get that the setup is correct.
Can I just confirm that other Orange users actualy see the 3G symbol on their Kaisers?
Cheers
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Yep, can definitely confirm that I have seen, G, E, 3G, H on my kaiser both with the stock rom and with qmobile 1.2
The only thing I can think of is: Have you flashed a different radio but I'm clutching at straws here. not really my field.

I had the same problem with mine in France, and many of us had it too.
Moreover I have bad news for you..I think you have to send your phone to the HTC support. I've just got back my phone from it and it works again as before the problem appeared.
You should read this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=335074&highlight=motherboard+3G
Have fun and good luck bye

I also have a Vodafone UK branded Kaiser (v1615) and use it with an Orange 3G SIM. Generally I do see the 3G symbol, unless I'm in a poor reception area where it drops back to G or E. I have seen H but only I think within the M25. I'm based near Glasgow.

Does your phone say orange3G as the network if it says only orange it means that you are using a normal SIM...ask them for a new one

Mine just says Orange but I get 3G though? Not sure if it's different in the UK but I definitely have a high speed SIM.

Mine just says Orange - but I do have 3g/H and it says so.
If you run a speedtest and get over 130, then you are on 3G and over 500k then you are on H.
There are some rom tweaks that change the icons you see.

o2 - NO 3G???

guys,
i just transferred from orange to o2. i have no 3g now?? i used networ wizrad and got the settings from o2 but still no joy
i have HK official wwe rom and there is no 3g option in comm manager either
can anyone help?

did you try running connections setup? or adding the 3g to comm manager with tf3d config to see if it is on?

yes i ran connections setup and o2 sent me the config.
i cant fiund the wsay to add 3g to comm manager in td3 flo adv??

yes 3g is enabled, just doesnt work or never active even in good signal areas, nothing! i either have H or E next to my reception

patterns said:
yes 3g is enabled, just doesnt work or never active even in good signal areas, nothing! i either have H or E next to my reception
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H? Oh dear... does someone wana tell him :/

I've been curious about this too. O2 doesn't have a 3G license, which is why they used the Jap technology i-mode (which as we know flopped). So where is the iPhone's 3G coming from? I think it's from '3', but I'm not 100%. So if you're not in a '3' coverage area I would guess this is why you don't reception on this band.

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H? Oh dear... does someone wana tell him :/
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LOL (H) = HSPDA
HSPDA=7.5Mbps Approx making it a shed load faster than 3G
High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is a 3G (third generation) mobile telephony communications protocol in the High-Speed Packet Access (HSPA) family, which allows networks based on Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) to have higher data transfer speeds and capacity. Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.4 Mbit/s. Further speed increases are available with HSPA+, which provides speeds of up to 42 Mbit/s downlink.
robbed form wiki as im lazy!

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H? Oh dear... does someone wana tell him :/
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im sorry, i LOL'd when i read that.

I didn't even notice the H in his post LOL. Strange how he either gets GPRS or HSDPA though, and never any 3G.

yes this is strange - well at least it explains it. i put my 3 sim in and i get 3g straight away, oh well i can connect to internet anyhow so.... all is good
thanks for help guys

T-Mobile UK and HSDPA

I have been doing speed tests with my HSDPA and 3G and found HSDPA to not be any faster. After a quick call to T-Mobile it turns out Web'n'walk customers do not recieve HSDPA speeds.
You wil get the little H and your phone will connect using the HSDPA protocol but the speeds will be capped at 3G rates, your battery just drains faster.
To get HSDPA speeds you need to upgrade to web'n'walk plus or max and then the cap comes off.
So, if you want more battery power and your on web'n'walk I suggest turning it off.

so what speeds do you get?

i can get hspda speed on my web'n'walk deal. only took it out in july. dunno if its changed since then......

Hmmm....Id also be interested to see what numbers you get....

The talk about limited speeds for those who do not have good speeds on web'n'walk is crap, it is only about making people pay more.
Providers do not have any policy on their users using HSDPA/ 3G/ HSUPA.
If you have an HSDPA capable phone and you are in coverage the phone will use it.
A long time ago I bought a contract for internet over GPRS and the contract stated that I was only allowed to use GPRS. I also had a modem that was only GPRS capable (do not laugh, it was quite a few years ago). The contract also gave me UNLIMITED access to the internet.
After 2 months I purchased a modem capable of usigng EDGE and was using it a lot. They were never able to cut my transfer down because the contract said UNLIMITED access. They never said a work about me using EDGE instead of GPRS because they did not access such data.
If you are getting low sppeds on HSDPA, either the coverage is weak or you have HSDPA turned off in the phone.
I have a data packet with Vodafone UK and they recently upgraded my area to HSDPA and I am able to watch a 7 min youtube video without any stuttering after only 11 secs of loading.

Just because you have a HSDPA enabled phone, and web and walk does not mean you will get HSDPA speeds. You need to ensure that you are on a package that enables you HSDPA, or you ring and check your SIM is provisioned for it.
When I first went to T-mo I got the samsung Z560 as it was a HSPDA phone. Ran some tests and found I was only getting around 300kbps. Rang T-mo and had to move a tier of web'n'walk. They also had to provision my SIM for HSDPA.

That's the same for me. It's like having a 2mbit broaband connection - you're still on a 16mbit line (or whatever your exchange's max speed is) but not connecting on that speed until you upgrade your package.
I noticed an instant difference when I upgraded to WnW Plus. Now I can get Sky Player, BBCi Player etc when connected to a laptop, whereas I couldn't before on 3G speed.
So it's correct, if you are not getting high speed access but your phone is connecting with an 'H', turn it off and save the battery.