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I came across this hub:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...d=1030702&p_id=9955&seq=1&format=1#largeimage
Looks pretty nice, all USB 3.0 ports, capable of supplying a 900ma of power to each port. Good for all sorts of things, not just a tablet being connected to the computer.
What I was wondering about this is would it be possible to open it up and short the data pins so that it is only capable of being a charging device? If so, it probably wouldnt even need a connection to a PC, just need to be plugged into the power adapter. I am wondering on this because if possible, that would mean when only using 1 port it (theoretically) would be capable of sending 3.8A out to the one device if the device tried to pull that much. Since the tablet would see the shorted connection it should at least try to pull 2A. Anyway, I just thought it would be a fun project to try and modify in this way. I will probably get it soon and attempt this myself, and might even look into beefing up the internal power circuit area to make sure it can safely send 3+ amps out one port if asked to. It would be nice to use this in conjunction with a pogo connector and finally be able to charge faster than the tablet drains while gaming.
EniGmA1987 said:
... Looks pretty nice, all USB 3.0 ports, ...
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Nexus 10 USB specs "microUSB v2.0"
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_google_nexus_10_p8110-5084.php
Would you get value from USB 3.0 ports with a USB v2.0 interface?
To get the full USB 3.0 power of 900mA, the device has to be configured as a USB3.0 device. The hardware developer USB 3.0 command verifier tool is separate from the USB 2.0 one
I thought we had also verified the USB connector and the POGO connector are mutually exclusive in power terms, even if the charging circuit inside the Nexus 10 could be modified to accept more than 2.5A.
skally said:
To get the full USB 3.0 power of 900mA, the device has to be configured as a USB3.0 device. The hardware developer USB 3.0 command verifier tool is separate from the USB 2.0 one
I thought we had also verified the USB connector and the POGO connector are mutually exclusive in power terms, even if the charging circuit inside the Nexus 10 could be modified to accept more than 2.5A.
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Sorry, I dont scour the threads in accessories every day so thats news to me. Besides, I dont even know what "mutually exclusive" is supposed to mean in relation to this. If the pogo connector has a USB end and draws 2A from the power adapter, why wouldnt it be able to draw 2A from any source capable of putting out that much power? Your trying to tell me that the pogo connector somehow signals it is a USB2.0 device? If thats the case it wouldnt be able to draw more than the 500mA. The regular power adapter has a USB output connector after all and it can send 2A just fine. This hub has its own power adapter and doesnt try to draw the full 3.8A through a computer connection. What is the difference between the power adapter that comes with the tablet and a hub that has its own PSU to output that much and more power?
and yes I know it wouldnt transfer at 3.0 data speeds since the tablet has a 2.0 port, but I wouldn't be using the USB port on the tablet. But why would the USB somehow signal that it will only send 500mA through the pogo connector?
EniGmA1987 said:
Sorry, I dont scour the threads in accessories every day so thats news to me. Besides, I dont even know what "mutually exclusive" is supposed to mean in relation to this.
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Mutually exclusive: charge from POGO or USB, but not both at the same time
EniGmA1987 said:
If the pogo connector has a USB end and draws 2A from the power adapter, why wouldnt it be able to draw 2A from any source capable of putting out that much power? Your trying to tell me that the pogo connector somehow signals it is a USB2.0 device? If thats the case it wouldnt be able to draw more than the 500mA. The regular power adapter has a USB output connector after all and it can send 2A just fine. This hub has its own power adapter and doesnt try to draw the full 3.8A through a computer connection. What is the difference between the power adapter that comes with the tablet and a hub that has its own PSU to output that much and more power?
and yes I know it wouldnt transfer at 3.0 data speeds since the tablet has a 2.0 port, but I wouldn't be using the USB port on the tablet. But why would the USB somehow signal that it will only send 500mA through the pogo connector?
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The POGO connector, although it connects to a USB port, is not bound by the USB specification for how much it can draw. USB chargers are available that can deliver up to 3A, but it's up to the device to request this much power.
The specifications for USB 2.0 of 500mA (and 900mA for USB 3.0) are for a power and data connection, but their is an added specification for power only of 1.8A (and 5A for USB 3.0). a hub will generally adhere to the power and data specification, while the USB PSU has no data functionality (this is determined by their being a short circuit on the D+/D- USB pair).
The reason a USB 2.0 device will not draw 900mA from a USB 3.0 port, is because it's the device that negotiates the connection, and as a USB 2.0 device, it will only request the 500mA maximum from the USB 2.0 specification.
Try to think of it this way: an incandescent light bulb will not be any brighter if you increase the power source current.
Ok, but you just said everything I was talking about. So when I modify the hub to get rid of the data connection, and not even connect it to a computer and just have its power supply connected, how would that be different than simply a normal charger? The tablet would be charging through its pogo connector, and it simply plugs into the hub with a 3.8A power supply. So it wouldnt have anything to do with any USB limits then right? Cause the hub is USB3.0 ports capable so it is not like a USB 2.0 hub that wouldnt have the proper internal circuitry to push the 3.8A I will be trying to draw.
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Ok, but you just said everything I was talking about. So when I modify the hub to get rid of the data connection, and not even connect it to a computer and just have its power supply connected, how would that be different than simply a normal charger? The tablet would be charging through its pogo connector, and it simply plugs into the hub with a 3.8A power supply. So it wouldnt have anything to do with any USB limits then right? Cause the hub is USB3.0 ports capable so it is not like a USB 2.0 hub that wouldnt have the proper internal circuitry to push the 3.8A I will be trying to draw.
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If you short the D+/D- pins, you can then use the hub as a standard charger PSU, capable of delivering 3.8A.
The issue is that current gets pulled, not pushed. It doesn't matter how many Amps you provide, the Nexus 10 charging circuit is only capable of pulling a maximum of 2.5A. (datasheet for the charge circuit can be found here).
From earlier posts (in one of the POGO threads, I think), there were found to be kernel limits restricting the SMB347 charging to 2A.
I am thinking of getting this tab to replace my acer a510.
Just wondering i think i read you can only charge using acer special cable??
Does this tablet have a usb/micro usb that can trickle charge while screen is off/asleep
example my a510 can trickle charge slowly if i hook up a usb to it, but only when the screen is off.
Acer use their own special usb plug to charge normally.
I want to use this for long traveling etc and only want to use a micro or usb from the car to get some juice into it.
I don't know. On the TF700 it was possible but on the TF701 I don't know but also didn't try it.
But I think when connecting the charging cable only to the tablet it will charge with any 5V usb charger but just very slow.
Page 17 of the manual.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/TF701T/e8803_tf701t_em_v2_for_web_only.pdf
You need the special cable to charge, but you can use it to trickle charge from a PC or (presumably) a car USB charger with the screen off. Fast charging requires using the special cable with the Asus mains adapter.
pelago said:
Fast charging requires using the special cable with the Asus mains adapter.
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That is because the AC plug of the TF701 charges either with 15V/1,2Amps or 5V/2Amps, while a normal USB 2.0 hub is limited to 0,5Amps (USB 3.0 to 0,8Amps). If you have a vehicle charger with USB slot the charging speed depends on the max. current it can supply .
And also: there is no micro usb slot on the tablet or the dock.
btw: What Acer did really sucks,because they just switched + with Data+ and GND with DATA-GND from the USB pinning, so you _need_ the original Acer charging cable. (My brother has the A511,where i already repaired the cable once due to lead fracture)
Lamensis said:
That is because the AC plug of the TF701 charges either with 15V/1,2Amps or 5V/2Amps, while a normal USB 2.0 hub is limited to 0,5Amps (USB 3.0 to 0,8Amps). If you have a vehicle charger with USB slot the charging speed depends on the max. current it can supply .
And also: there is no micro usb slot on the tablet or the dock.
btw: What Acer did really sucks,because they just switched + with Data+ and GND with DATA-GND from the USB pinning, so you _need_ the original Acer charging cable. (My brother has the A511,where i already repaired the cable once due to lead fracture)
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thanks everyone.
does anyone know whay the 64gb seems unavailable in japan? is this the same in other countries?
malos1984 said:
thanks everyone.
does anyone know whay the 64gb seems unavailable in japan? is this the same in other countries?
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Dont know why, but on amazon.de and amazon.com there is also no 64GB Version available.
Lamensis said:
Dont know why, but on amazon.de and amazon.com there is also no 64GB Version available.
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In Holland it is not even in their program.
On my desk, I have an old but reliable USB 2.0 hub, with your standard micro USB cable plugged into one of the ports. On my old phones (Nexus 5, Galaxy S3, HTC One), they would all charge from this cable, even when the hub was not plugged into a host. However, the Z3C seems to not charge at all when plugged into this cable, unless the USB hub is plugged into my Macbook. Anybody else seen this? I know that the hub won't put out much current, but it was awfully convenient to always have a charging cable on my desk regardless of what my laptop was doing.
Thanks!
Old post so probably not needed anymore, but just tested it over here and it just works.
A standaard generiek usb2.0 hub with external powersuply, connected with a usb 2 micousb kabel to the microusb poort of the sony z3c starts charging. It makes nog difference if i put the doc in between for magnetic charging, that works to.
i have a galaxy S4 and have just ordered a G4 (standard micro usb). can i use my old car charger and pc data cable, are they the same as the G4 or do i have to buy new ones?
TIA
EDIT: gsmarena specs say micro USB 2.0 for both, so i'm guessing they're the same
With the exception of the new Type-C Nexus devices and a few odd samsung tablets, most android devices follow the same standards (to my knowledge). I think only the S5 had the USB 3.0 plug -- in which case the cable wouldn't work -- so you should be fine.
You can plug a micro usb 2.0 cable into a micro usb 3.0 device, but you can't plug a micro usb 3.0 cable into a micro usb 2.0 device.
But I want usb type-c to replace everything.
Knowbody42 said:
You can plug a micro usb 2.0 cable into a micro usb 3.0 device, but you can't plug a micro usb 3.0 cable into a micro usb 2.0 device.
But I want usb type-c to replace everything.
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That should be a thing of the past now.
USB 3.0 never caught on and will be replaced with USB type C.
That is a good thing as the USB 3.0 end was a hideously huge waste of time designing.
Milimbar said:
That should be a thing of the past now.
USB 3.0 never caught on and will be replaced with USB type C.
That is a good thing as the USB 3.0 end was a hideously huge waste of time designing.
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Yes, the micro USB 3.0 connector is just crap. It breaks easily, and isn't particularly small anyway.
I had the S4 and I use the same charger and cable I used to charge it. That charger/cable is old now, at first it charged at 1900mAh but now it only reaches 900mAh. It is ok for a charge during the night. I had to buy a new USB cable that is charging a little bit faster.
I have a quickcharge 2.0 charger and cable that I use in extreme cases where I need ultra quick charges.
First it must be USB type c to USB A. 3.0
What USB standard nobody seems to know. For sure but most tell me its a USB 3.0 At the A end.
And USB Type C at the other end.
Next we need to know what is required in the cable to support Dex.
Next we need to know what is required to support Samsung Fast Charge standard. I hear its not the same as Quick Charge.
Is there any cable out there that does all these things.
I know the cable that comes with the phone does not do this.
i.e. I fails in the USB transfer speed dept.
In short.
Dex compatible,
Fast Charge compatible. As per this link we only need Fast Charge 2.0
But I wonder why does Samsung Claim to use its own standard. i.e. what is the diffirence between the Samsung standard and QC standard.
https://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/files/quick-charge-device-list.pdf
USB 3.0 Standard compatible for high speed data transfer.
(They say if the USB A port is blue and has more than 4 pads it will work).
Ps: So far I have figured that my wifes One Plus 6 cable does all these jobs.
Answering my own question.
Got to amazon.
Search using this text usb type c to usb a 3.1
I got an amazon Basic from the search the USB A port is blue in color an indication that it is 3.0 It does everything Dex, fast speed transfer and fast charge.
Glad that you managed to get your cable. But for future reference any standard USB A 3.0 - Type - C charging cable will be good. However beware of multi-plug to USB A 3.0 cables as they don't have the best charging speeds, unless you have a high wattage power supply.
I'm using a nice quality INIU cable, has nice quality braided cover, a led for dark car charging, to see cable.