Has anyone else noticed that with either Windows Media Player or the HTC Audio Manager, it will always use the same shuffle order? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? Anyone know how to get it to "reshuffle" with every play. I am getting tired of hearing my play lists in the same order everytime.
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Has anyone else noticed that with either Windows Media Player or the HTC Audio Manager, it will always use the same shuffle order? Doesn't this defeat the purpose? Anyone know how to get it to "reshuffle" with every play. I am getting tired of hearing my play lists in the same order everytime.
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Amen, thought I was the only one who noticed this!
Yes, surprising isn't it. Even a using a search on all forums didn't turn up this same question. I think this is true for Wondows Media Player on all devices, or at least the one's I have owned. Would be nice is HTC could provide a shuffle option that actually shuffles with the Audio Manager. Perhaps they should call it "Reorder" instead of "Shuffle".
Just searched and this is the only thread I could find on this problem.
My media player doesn't actually play the library in folder order, but seems to shuffling only a few songs on the list.
Is playing them from the library the only option? - you can play only one song at a time when accessing the music folder with windows explorer.
to "reshuffle" have you tried turning off shuffle, selecting another track, playing it, then turn shuffle back on.
Thanks for the suggestion - yes I've tried that, but it just seems so hit and miss with the Windows media player and the shuffle play seems to repeat a few tracks too often.
I've now installed MortPlayer and it's working great, so I'm not going to bother with the WM player now.
Thanks.
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to "reshuffle" have you tried turning off shuffle, selecting another track, playing it, then turn shuffle back on.
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Yes, this is my half baked solution. I just scroll down and start a few songs later in the list as it is sorted via the playlist. It still does not "shuffle" though, just puts me at a different point in the (properly termed...) reordered playlist. If it's a short playlist though, you will figure out pretty quickly that the songs go in the same order every time, you just started at a different point.
In computing, the random doesn't exist, we can only approach it by simulating.
You won't never get a "real" shuffle. When you select this mode in WMP or HTC audio manager, it follows an algorithm, that's why you always hear songs in the same order with the same playlist. The best way is to change your playlist.
I hope this explanation is helpful and clear, and if somebody can give us more details on the subject, don't hesitate (I like learning more and more )
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In computing, the random doesn't exist, we can only approach it by simulating.
You won't never get a "real" shuffle. When you select this mode in WMP or HTC audio manager, it follows an algorithm, that's why you always hear songs in the same order with the same playlist. The best way is to change your playlist.
I hope this explanation is helpful and clear, and if somebody can give us more details on the subject, don't hesitate (I like learning more and more )
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I hear what you saying regarding computers not being good at random, but I can tell you that this MortPlayer is doing a damn fine job of it.
I think that these workarounds with the playlist are a poor reflection on WM media player - I have about 1.5G in my music folder and MortPlayer can shuffle the lot without the need to first create a playlist.
I didn't say that you need to create a playlist. On the contrary, more the numbers of songs is high, more the order in which you will hear its is changing, because the probability of finding the song "m" on a sample "M" diminishes when you increase "M" ( "M " can be a playlist or 1.5 GB of songs)
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I have converted from an iPhone to the HTC Fuze. I still have some audio files that are .mp4. I am interesting in playing audio more than video. Can I get the stock player to play these?
If not, what is the best player to download (for free) for playing audio .mp4 files?
Thanks
If they are DRMed, you'll have to search on how to un-DRM them (I wouldn't ask about that here though). If they are not DRMed, you can play them in Windows Media Player.
I know about the DRM thing, but last time I checked, Windows Media does not play mp4. Am I wrong?
With regard to audio files from iTunes (m4a/AAC/mp4 or whatever you want to call them), they will play just fine via the music player interface in Touch Flo 3d. The only problem I've encountered is that for some reason the audio manager will not sort songs in track order. As yet I have not found a fix for this (and no one else seems to be asking about it either). Still, at least I didn't have to convert my iTunes library into MP3 files ; )
Purchased tracks will not play (in fact they will not even be visible).
Digital Rights Management (DRM) is a coding/decoding algorithm mainly used by iTunes to protect the artist and to ensure that the artist gets money for his work since you as a consumer ay have purchased a song or album online. All your own CD's which you may have read-in (ripped) through iTunes will play without any problems.
DRM files, though they appear as MP4 files, cannot be played without the appropriate decoder (iTunes for example).
Ways and methods HOW to bypass this mechanism MUST NOT be discussed here in the forum, do a google research if you interested in.
BTW same issues may happen if you go from iPhone to iPhone or transfer files from PC to PC even if you backed up your iTunes license.
You may bear an Apple store a visit or call Apples cust. support they can provide you with a special key that you do not have to purchase all your songs again.
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The only problem I've encountered is that for some reason the audio manager will not sort songs in track order.
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Track sorting seems to be a general problem of the TF3D player. If you for example have an album which contains two CDs the TF3D player is not able to sort it correctly. It's stupidly sorting:
Track 1 CD1
Track 1 CD2
Track 2 CD1
Track 2 CD2
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Therefore I'm using Pocket Player instead.
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Track sorting seems to be a general problem of the TF3D player. If you for example have an album which contains two CDs the TF3D player is not able to sort it correctly. It's stupidly sorting:
Track 1 CD1
Track 1 CD2
Track 2 CD1
Track 2 CD2
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Therefore I'm using Pocket Player instead.
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Is there a way to launch Pocket Player from TF3D in place of the in-unit player?? I have been searching for an answer for a week here and found not a clue. Any help with this would be appreciated, otherwise I will just launch from programs as I am now doing, but it seems a waste to have a nice tab wasted!
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rac said:
Is there a way to launch Pocket Player from TF3D in place of the in-unit player?? I have been searching for an answer for a week here and found not a clue. Any help with this would be appreciated, otherwise I will just launch from programs as I am now doing, but it seems a waste to have a nice tab wasted!
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No, I don't think so. Unfortunately the only think you can do is completely disabling the TF3D player by removing it with AdvancedConfig.
I wonder if it's possible to at least get the Audio Manager to play tracks according to file name. At least that way if tracks were numbered 01, 02 etc that would get around the problem of it not seeing the track number in the tag.
Trouble is I can't work out how to do this.... I've been rumaging in the registry under HKLM\software\HTC\AudioManager_Eng but there doesn't seem anything obvious to me. Maybe a key could be added? Anyone got any ideas?
How about mp4 video?
It took 20 minutes to load a video mp4 file onto my microsd card, but it's there. Windows Media Player won't recognize it. The video player app portion of the camera will actually play the file, but it takes several seconds to launch and is generally choppy after that. It's a shame, too, because the video quality is great ... it's just very choppy.
Is there Windows Mobile player out there somewhere that plays these mp4 files SMOOTHLY? I knew the Tilt had issues with the driver not playing video smoothly, but I didn't think it was a problem with the Fuze. Sure would like to watch some quality video in mp4 mode on my Fuze rather than my video ipod.
I love this forum, alot of smart people here (usually).
To talk of disabling software or this drm would be wrong. But Itunes itself posesses a way for you to back up your music. Its totally legit, and a common problem out there. (itunes not playing on winmo or other devices).
So if its a totally legit way of using the itunes program itself, to simply create a backup of your songs... why is it so horrible to discuss?
No one is suggesting hacking or disabling the drm, simply getting the music they paid for to work.
Is there any Developer working in a new audio player, with a lot of new features including just play songs from the folder you select.
I use my g1 on my car alot and the stock audio players sucks!
for example I can't play songs from a specific folder, the player takes all the songs from the g1 sdcard. the shuffle option don't work right I have about 1500 songs and it playes the sames songs when on shuffle etc.
I'm desperate for a new audio players with good features, specific to use the g1 as a real mp3 player, and for car mp3 play use.
TuneWiki perhaps?
^^^ I hate tune wiki. It never displays the right album artwork.
Hey there! Not trying to hijack your thread, but I got a quick question...I noticed that you said you use your G1 in the car. I have Ford Sync and I have heard the music/navigation broadcast over the speakers, but only when I was actually on a call. How are you connecting? Bluetooth doesn't work and I've also tried using the usb cable.
I also second your "request" for a new music player. The G1 is lacking in the music/video department. My boyfried has an iPhone and I just can't argue when it comes to the media part of the phone...my only argument is having to use iTunes.
Perrosky, have you tried aPlayer?
I'll agree with you on those points. I have a lot of poorly-tagged music and just being able to browse by folder/file would be helpful. Shuffling a folder would be nice as well.
I ended up creating a ton of playlists to accomplish this with the current players. Tunewiki is a step up from the bundled player, but it is still quite lacking.
Some other features I'd like to see:
1. Audio controls like EQ, Balance, etc.
2. Bookmarking. If I'm 15 minutes into a 30 minute audiobook track I'd really prefer to not have to remember where I left off when I start listening again.
I'm sure it is only a matter of time before somebody ports an open source audio player to Android. If they can do it for Rockbox, they can do it for android...
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^^^ I hate tune wiki. It never displays the right album artwork.
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Funny it does for me. Best player out there right now. Coreplayer should be coming out with one soon for android.
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Is there any Developer working in a new audio player, with a lot of new features including just play songs from the folder you select.
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AMEN! I Have been searching for a media player that could do that.
That is the ONLY thing I miss about my windows mobile phone is the windows media player!
I hope coreplayer can do this. Almost 80% of my songs are poorly tagged (ID3) and being able to play an entire folder would be perfect!
I've used search... on this forum and several others...
The native music app, and what seems like the vast majority of free 3rd party music apps, are missing what is to me, a vital function of any music player software... browse/play by genre.
I love the simplicity of the default app, and if the default app had this feature, it would be perfect for me.
Anybody have any suggestions for music apps that browse/play by genre?
Don't think of the music players will do this, but you can create playlists by genre and play those.
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Don't think of the music players will do this, but you can create playlists by genre and play those.
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Grrrrr... For me, genre sorting is actually more important than album or artist sorting, but thanks for the help
That news is disappointing. Since I randomize which 8 gb of my 40 gb collection gets sent to my phone every few days, static playlists aren't really viable for me. Maybe if there were smart playlists?
ooooooh... just watched that video of the experimental H-port of the Hero build. I spied Genre sorting! Guess I'll just have to wait and hope
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I've used search... on this forum and several others...
The native music app, and what seems like the vast majority of free 3rd party music apps, are missing what is to me, a vital function of any music player software... browse/play by genre.
I love the simplicity of the default app, and if the default app had this feature, it would be perfect for me.
Anybody have any suggestions for music apps that browse/play by genre?
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if you want to organize them by genre just put them in files named hip hop or country or metal rock whatever. then go get the free app. "mediabypath" then open it and it will show your music files or whatever.
go to the file with the genre you want and dont click it press and hold on it (so if you have a hip hop folder dont go in it just press and hold)(make sure you dont have anything in the current playlist) and itle say "queue all next" click on that.
while its playing go to the music player , click on the top right hand icon that has a list icon ,hit menu, then save as playlist, name it whatever genre.
That will organize your playlist for you by genre. and repeat the process but make sure the playlist is cleared before doing the next genre
i hope that helps. i was one that hated having to sort through all my music to hear one song. and i hated the fact that it would play my ringtones with my music and it would shuffle them by the name instead of by folders.
Genre sorting is vital for me too and I do it with MediaByPath. I organise the music on the SD card in Genre folders (drum'n'bass, ska, trance, etc) and put the artists and albums in fub folders if needed. The app loads the entire content of chosen folder (unfortunately not the content of subfolders, which must be added manually).
Right on, thanks again for all the help everybody.
Unfortunately, I can't organize into genre folders either since the entire contents of the music on my phone (8gb) changes randomly every few days... Well, I suppose I could, but it seems unlikely that I would take the time needed multiple times a week.
I use a program on my desktop that randomly chooses a selection of my music library and copies those files to my phone. It is also set to never select a song that was used during the previous selection process. So I literally never have any song more than 2 or 3 days in a row, and I never know what songs are going to be chosen.
Seriously though, the members of this forum have been extraordinarily helpful since I stumbled across it a couple weeks ago. I really appreciate the effort.
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Right on, thanks again for all the help everybody.
Unfortunately, I can't organize into genre folders either since the entire contents of the music on my phone (8gb) changes randomly every few days... Well, I suppose I could, but it seems unlikely that I would take the time needed multiple times a week.
I use a program on my desktop that randomly chooses a selection of my music library and copies those files to my phone. It is also set to never select a song that was used during the previous selection process. So I literally never have any song more than 2 or 3 days in a row, and I never know what songs are going to be chosen.
Seriously though, the members of this forum have been extraordinarily helpful since I stumbled across it a couple weeks ago. I really appreciate the effort.
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wow yeah in that case you might have to wait for the HERO build then i organize my stuff myself in folders but i can understand how time consuming it would be to organize when you get the music randomly. but yeah sorry bro either way mediabypath is still pretty nice if you were to ever get the time to organize your music glad we could "attempt" to help
These are not showstopper issues but things I want to fix, if I can.
1) Whenever a song begins to play it "skips" a bit. Like it replays the first note/sound/whatever a few times then starts over for "real" and plays the song.
2) Sometimes the next song does not start up or show in the now playing area in the widget after the current song has finished playing. Click on the "skip" button makes the next song play.
3) Different from #2. Song does not start or change the currently playing song info in the widget. Cannot skip the song because an ad is playing. Now, I get that pandora is ad supported and I am fine with that. But, this is the kookiness, no audio is playing and there is no image at all in the full app window. But I cannot skip the non-ad, so I have dead air. That is not cool.
Now some debugging I have done. These things happen over 3G, Wi-Fi, and Edge. No difference among the connections. I have tried different stations as well.
Any ideas?
I know that in my experience with it so far, I was getting "skip" like symptoms as well. I went into the settings and changed it from "Normal" quality to "High" and this seemed to fix it for me.
I haven't seen the other bugs you've mentioned.
Another thing I see is sometimes I will pause Pandora and use the back button to back out of it. After doing so, the Android Music app will start and start playing music. It doesn't show up in the Notifications bar up top. I end up just using Advanced Task Manager to kill it.
I've noticed a LOT of the music apps seem to start when you don't want them too. I've noticed Last.fm will start itself when I play music from the Android Music app. I know this because a force close message will come up for it randomly. Mixzing used to start itself as well when I would start Music, so I uninstalled it. About to uninstall Last.fm too. Quite annoying...
Yea, I already tried the normal/high quality change. No effect.
It is odd stuff.
For the first time, ever, on my G1 I had the headphone icon show up when I plugged in my car stereo cable to the HTC 3n1 adapter.
I had just started up pandora but no music was playing yet, plugged in the cable, and then stared in amazement as the headphone icon came up in the notification area.
Then, to my further amazement, the default music app launched and I was presented with a musical selection of my ringtones. Wow.
Pandora is still far and away the best pick-a-kind-of-band-station out there.
if you are getting these issues, email the developer so they know the issues exist
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if you are getting these issues, email the developer so they know the issues exist
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Yep going to do that. Just wanted to make sure I was not the only one. So far it seems that I am. I may email them anyway. You never know...
confirm #2. i have the same. stopped using pandora. waiting for updates with fixes.
So far Pandora has worked great for me, no skipping issues, but I have had my music app start once and play at the same time as Pandora. I think it's an issue related to the newer CM Rom's....not Pandora.
My problem is, when I go to look at my stations, I have 5 or 6 duplicates of each station. I double checked on my PC and the duplicates aren't there, so it's specific to my phone.
This is an opinion post. Only opinion, and open to debate.
Last.fm is slow compared to iMeem and I am exclusively on Edge- I have to use At&t for now. I heard such good things about Pandora and was SO amped to hear it was released, and gave it every chance in the world to wow me.
Imeem is better. For one reason- Favorite artists playlists and favorite songs playlists. Now I tried looking all over pandora for this, so that I can #1 listen so just artists I like, no "new suggestions" for artists, just tracks I maybe never heard before. Sometimes I don't want to "explore". And #2 when I show off my android to friends, I have group-friendly tracks exclusively favorited, and I can switch on the Favorite Songs playlist and not worry. Ever.
Please tell me I am missing something in Pandora.
So my father and step mother recently got new Android phone, they both got Evo 4G's. My father has been working non stop to get his wife's music and audio books setup so that it's really easy to make playlist, sync them, play them back, etc. He has used WMP, had issues with that, so I suggested DoubleTwist. He messed with it and didn't like the interface, felt that it wasn't that intuitive. I decided that I would actually mess with dT myself so that I could see if it was worth suggesting to others. I found it pretty easy to make playlist and sync them and stuff, but there is one major problem with it, it ignores track numbers. I can't get it to show me track numbers at all, and can't get it to organize track in an album by track number, and if I drag a whole album into it's own playlist, it organized in alphabetical order, I can't get it to play by track number.
Next, I decided to mess with Motorola Media Link. I never even got to the point of seeing if it will work with my N1 cause I couldn't get it to sort by album, or artist or whatever when I clicked on the column header like would happen in Windows explorer. I can accept Motorola Media Link opening in artist mode first, but I should then be able to click a song, then go and hit the album column header and it will keep the fist song selected and resort the song by album showing the other songs in the same album above and below the original selected song, but that did not happen.
I'm not even going to mess with WMP anymore as I feel that is utter s**t when it comes UI. Doubletwist makes making playlist easy, but ignores track numbers, Motorola Media link doesn't sort things properly. Are there no other truly intuitive, easy to use, fully featured media player/manager for Android devices. I feel that this is going to make it difficult for Android devices to truly win over the hearts of iPhone users, who phone's just work. As much as I hate Apple's communist control over their platform and hardware, you have to give them credit for making a phone that even the technologically inept can use and work without problems
What's wrong with just drag and drop your files? I think that's the easiest way. Don't even need any software, just plug in the cable, it pops up as mass storage, drag over your files to a folder, done
I made the iPhone to N1 jump recently myself and had some similar growing pains in the media management side of things. Although I only really care about music (not podcasts or audiobooks) and have some real anal retentive requirements for playlist management, I've found bTunes as my media player and iSyncr for media management to be a great combination.
bTunes copies the navigation of the iOS iPod app perfectly, but adds in on-the-fly playlist creation and editing under the hood.
iSyncr lets me copy over playlists directly from my iTunes account, and updates playcounts and everything when I run the program.
I'm not sure if those things will apply to your parents' needs as elegantly as they have to my own. But hopefully it might help!
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What's wrong with just drag and drop your files? I think that's the easiest way. Don't even need any software, just plug in the cable, it pops up as mass storage, drag over your files to a folder, done
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That's what my father and I do for ourselves, but that's not a good solution for my step mother who's not good with that kind of stuff and really doesn't have any desire to learn that. The ultimate goal of all this is to make it as easy as possible for her so that she can do it all without having to ask my father how or have him do.
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I made the iPhone to N1 jump recently myself and had some similar growing pains in the media management side of things. Although I only really care about music (not podcasts or audiobooks) and have some real anal retentive requirements for playlist management, I've found bTunes as my media player and iSyncr for media management to be a great combination.
bTunes copies the navigation of the iOS iPod app perfectly, but adds in on-the-fly playlist creation and editing under the hood.
iSyncr lets me copy over playlists directly from my iTunes account, and updates playcounts and everything when I run the program.
I'm not sure if those things will apply to your parents' needs as elegantly as they have to my own. But hopefully it might help!
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Thanks, I'll send the info to my father and see if that works for him. He's still trying to find a solution for the audio books though. He's does some reading on the Audible Android app that's in beta and it appears to be having issues, so he's leery of installing it. But hopefully the music aspect will work for him.
Playlists and WMP
I am the father.
The biggest issue being able to easily have the playlists show upon the phone.
It can be accomplished with WMP by manually saving the play list as an M3u, then drag and drop that to root of the music folder on the phone, then you have to delete the auto generated WPl list from the pc in order to not have the play list show up twice in the play list list. This has to be repeated each time a change is made to the list.
Wish for WMP:
Allow you to set default play list file type.
For WMP to sync the list to the phone.
Thanks for any future help or advice.
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I am the father.
The biggest issue being able to easily have the playlists show upon the phone.
It can be accomplished with WMP by manually saving the play list as an M3u, then drag and drop that to root of the music folder on the phone, then you have to delete the auto generated WPl list from the pc in order to not have the play list show up twice in the play list list. This has to be repeated each time a change is made to the list.
Wish for WMP:
Allow you to set default play list file type.
For WMP to sync the list to the phone.
Thanks for any future help or advice.
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i use fusion media player, excellent for making/viewing/playing playlists.
i dont know what format playlists are saved as, but the playlist i made in fusion works in other media players as well, like google play music, es media player, and stock gingerbread music player app.
i never even touched the playlist files, not move them, not edit or anything, idk where the file even is and my playlists work on all above mentioned players. enjoy!