I have an Alpine on O2 (UK) running all the default software and ROMs.
My mother has some old Samsung phone - black & white text only style.
When I send her text messages, she'll often receive several, all of which say "Incompatible message format"... I'm just sending ordinary SMS.
I noticed today when I was typing a message to her, that in the place where it shows how many characters there are and how many messages it will take, it said 155/3 SMS - meaning there are 155 characters and it will take 3 SMS to send it... Why could this be?
Does anyone know what's going on?
it's because you use symbols that are not standart english.
and when you use them in sms they are send not as ordinary text, but in unicode - thats' why there's 70 letters for 1 sms. On my 2020i on eng. keyboard there is symbol ' near spacebar which is not standart so using it turns sms to be send in unicode.
Your mother's phone doesn't support unicode as I see... so try to use standard symbols only - maybe on your keyboard layout there are others not like mine, but you can determine which it is by typing them all and watching when sms letter limit moves from 160 to 70.
Ahh thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I think it's when autocomplete inserts a nonstandard apostrophe in certain words that will be doing it then.
Turned off the autocorrect thing which adds the nonstandard apostrophe, sent some test messages and its all sorted now. Thanks again.
Does anybody know how to change/tweak the actual maximum size of a sms? I know that my network should be cabable of sending / receiving messages up to 750 characters... but the standard WM6 client only accepts 160 characters and would split additional chars into several sms.
Any ideas?
licht77 said:
Does anybody know how to change/tweak the actual maximum size of a sms? I know that my network should be cabable of sending / receiving messages up to 750 characters... but the standard WM6 client only accepts 160 characters and would split additional chars into several sms.
Any ideas?
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Network capapbilities have no bearing on SMS (Short Message Service), it is the SMS protocol itself that limits the message size.
"Transmission of short messages between the SMSC and the handset is done using the Mobile Application Part (MAP) of the SS7 protocol. Messages are sent with the MAP mo- and mt-ForwardSM operations, whose payload length is limited by the constraints of the signalling protocol to precisely 140 octets (140 octets = 140 * 8 bits = 1120 bits). Short messages can be encoded using a variety of alphabets: the default GSM 7-bit alphabet (shown below), the 8-bit data alphabet, and the 16-bit UTF-16/UCS-2 alphabet.[19] Depending on which alphabet the subscriber has configured in the handset, this leads to the maximum individual Short Message sizes of 160 7-bit characters, 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters. Support of the GSM 7-bit alphabet is mandatory for GSM handsets and network elements,[19] but characters in languages such as Arabic, Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Slavic languages (e.g. Russian) must be encoded using the 16-bit UCS-2 character encoding (see Unicode). Routing data and other metadata is additional to the payload size."
ah ok thx for the information...
in that case those long x-mas sms i received were simply concated
licht77 said:
ah ok thx for the information...
in that case those long x-mas sms i received were simply concated
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Perhaps you know something that I don't. I was just trying to be helpful...
if a message is sent in multiple parts, if your handest supports it correctly it will join it back up when you receive it, for example WM6 supports it on Orange UK, and i've recevied a 4 page (160 * 4) character text all in one single message! the sender sent it in 4 parts
hope that clears it up a little
By the way, isn't it about time they adopt a new protocol? SMS made sense like 10 years ago, with those 1-line displays.
Smaniac said:
By the way, isn't it about time they adopt a new protocol? SMS made sense like 10 years ago, with those 1-line displays.
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True.. but that is up to the service providers. you gotta realize they're out to make money off each message.. Kinda sucks if you accidentally type 161 chars..
What i noticed tho is that if someone sends our ppcs texts that are more than 1 message they still come as one message.
SH4YD33 said:
True.. but that is up to the service providers. you gotta realize they're out to make money off each message.. Kinda sucks if you accidentally type 161 chars..
What i noticed tho is that if someone sends our ppcs texts that are more than 1 message they still come as one message.
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Yep, I think most phones today do that, at least my old Symbian one did and my current Linux one does too, they concatenate the multiple messages. What I'm worried about is exactly the price. Even though I never paid for an SMS in my life (my provider has SMS bonuses for pre-paid plans), some people do pay and they use it a lot.
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Yep, I think most phones today do that, at least my old Symbian one did and my current Linux one does too, they concatenate the multiple messages. What I'm worried about is exactly the price. Even though I never paid for an SMS in my life (my provider has SMS bonuses for pre-paid plans), some people do pay and they use it a lot.
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WinMob phones Don't do that. My old Symbian one did it too. But, my old P910 did several things that my Tilt can't.
GilesTheAlmighty said:
if a message is sent in multiple parts, if your handest supports it correctly it will join it back up when you receive it, for example WM6 supports it on Orange UK, and i've recevied a 4 page (160 * 4) character text all in one single message! the sender sent it in 4 parts
hope that clears it up a little
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Thanks for the clarification.
Hello,
i have been using Nataly Rom 2.2 but don't know if is a rom problem or more general one.
I am unable to write unicode sms with more than 70 characters.I have searched the forum, tried different keyboards like Spb Keyboard,Pcm Keyboard and FingerKeyb all with capital letters but still the same.
Any ideas??
Thanks in advance
Ps.When using capital letters some of them allow me to send 160 characters but most of them drop the remaining chars to 70
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service
sms is defined to be 160 8bit ASCII chars
or 70 16bit unicode chars
if it exceed those limited it's split into 2 or more
if you add a single unicode char all chars are made unicode
only way around it is to get your phone-company to alter the
sms spcs
This bug is with the SMS application, when you start typing a message to a recipient.
Indeed, if you position your eyes at the count (which tells you the length of a text) it shows occasionally (3 out of 4) a limit of 70 characters before starting the second SMS, while the standard is 160 character per SMS!
If there was it. But here, we are left to spend 2 to 3 SMS having added only 3 characters! Sometimes the problem is resolved by removing one or two word, the count return to a standard size. But the rub is that the phone sends 4 SMS actually whene they are only 270 characters. Infuriating, especially when one does not have unlimited option.
Note that I not sending special character.
Do you have the same issue than I ?
Edit: okay sorry for my bad english
Hey, I m from Bangladesh having problem with 160 character sms. As all we know optimus 2x su660 wont give you to send 160 word.
I follow the technique which was http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1797341 here.
It gives me to write 160 words or more. Now I have some problems. Hope someone will solve it.
1) when i write a sms having 100 characters or 140(more than 80 characters but not more than 160). It will send upto 91 characters. Receiver will not receive after 91 characters.
2) But when I write more than 160 characters (that means two msg), It will send full sms. Receiver will get the full sms.
I have also tried all the others sms software available in google play (Go sms pro, pansi, handcent). But the problem is exactly same.
Note: dont tell me that its my mobile operators fault. Because I try with another set. All thing is right.
Hope someone will help me.
Thanks
Dont have a solution to anyone? Developers help me