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WM6 Programming Question

This is my first post, so to all of you out there, my name is Joe and I have been following this forum since I decided on buying an ATT Tilt (Kaiser) and you all have been a tremendous help in a lot of decisions I made with my phone.
Now onto the question at hand, I have some programming knowledge in the world of computers (C++, VB, etc...) but I was wondering the differences in trying to make a program for my phone. If someone can direct me to maybe a tutorial or another post that might help me, please do (I looked but couldn't find anything), I would like to start giving back to the forum that helped me out.

There isn't much difference between C++ and VB in general, just some prefer the less strict 'grammar' in VB and some prefer the clear 'grammar' in C++. Speed wise, if you were to be using M$'s classes, both ought to be the same, while if you were to write in pure C++ native language, C ought to be better compiled.
Another alternative would be the .Net thing. If I'm right (haven't been really using one), is a class package for both VB and C+ which seemingly make it easier to program.
Depends on what you have (i.e. the programming software), if you were to have Visual Studio 2003+ (or later, no sure), you can download the WM6 SDK, which includes tutorial on how to get started.

Well what I have on hand right now...nothing at all...I'm at work at the moment and in my freetime here would like to work on a few things, I've been analyzing some other pieces of software since I posted this and noticed the use of XML files for the setup.
I have no preference in what language I use (hell one I don't know yet would work for me...knowledge is a blessing in IT). Just wish to be able to take some of the programs I use at the moment (ex HTC Home, BatteryStatus) add a little more functionality for my own personal use since I really don't feel like copyright lawsuits.
Basically Hanmin, I guess it just boils down to what would you suggest to use with the available "tools" at hand or suggestions, I'm up for anything, new to this game, I figured I would get wisdom from the pros here to make myself useful in my downtime

"There isn't much difference between C++ and VB in general," - now there's a statement to launch a major debate! But I'll resist the temptation and move on to a more constructive response - PPL. PPL (Pocket Programming Language) is a great little package which gives you an IDE for developing pocket pc apps in a C like language on either the pocket pc itself or on a pc. Read about it and get a free trial download here:
http://www.arianesoft.ca/

How to program?

Hi,
I have an easy question...^^
How can I program programs for my phone?
Is there anywhere a tutorial or something like that?
Or are all of you just very high skilled programmer?
I'm very interested in programming, but I only handl Java and php..
I hope someone of you can explain me where I can learn this =)
Greetings
Chris
PS:I hope I posted this in the right section...^^
PPS: I'm from Germany so I'm sorry for any mistake in my sentences and I hope there is also a German programmer who can show me a tutorial on German, but English is also OK.

I asked this question a few months back and no one helped. Here is what I have been able to find on my own:
To program for your Windows Mobile device you need Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard edition or later. That is an expensive development program. If you buy that program, you can download a Windows Mobile plugin for free that includes an emulator for debugging.
I personally refuse to shell out tons of cash for the ability to program for my phone for personal use. I have not been able to locate anywhere on the internet even the slightest hint of a way that I can write a program for my phone with open source or free software. I use notepad++ and g++ for my coding needs so I was really hoping for a way to program using only these tools with perhaps an additional library.
Speaking of libraries, open gl es is open gl for embedded devices such as your Raphael. I have been unable to find an open gl es tutorial that does not involve buying Visual Studio.
If anyone can find anything else, please post here.

I've used C# and C\C++ to write programs for Pocket PC\Windows Mobile. Java I believe you can use with limited functionality (not the same as on the web). Php is a web langange I believe??

Are you using C++ via Microsoft Visual Studio, or do you know how to compile mobile programs without dropping money in Microsoft's bank?

@Chunkyeggfoo
I know that php is for the web
I only wanted to show, that im not a totally noob in programming ^^
But my question was: Where do you learned this? Did you have an online tutorial, or from school? Or somewhere else...from a book maybe?

Here is one answer to the question.
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoSansVS.aspx
I have never followed this guide because I use Visual Studio 2008. I started programming using visual basic .net (VERY EASY TO LEARN). Later, I wanted to write applications for the today screen and I needed to learn C++ and the win32 API. (NOT FUN!!!) The good news is that I have several programs that I use on my today screen including weather, calendar, battery monitor, task switcher, music player and an alarm. It has taken me about a year to become pretty proficient. NOTE: when you move from managed code (.net framework) to unmannaged code (C++, win32) you have to be VERY careful to properly manage device memory or you will end up with memory leaks.
I've attached a picture of my today screen to illustrate the possibilities.
Have fun
Edit
You can also download evc4 and the evc4.sp4 from the following links.
http://www.download.com/Microsoft-eMbedded-Visual-C-/3000-2212_4-10108490.html
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F4-91D3-4DBE-986E-A812984318E5&displaylang=en
This will be a very powerful tool but probably very hard to learn too...

Check out this thread. It has lots of info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445396

You can take a C++ programming class at most community colleges (not state or UC, ie very expensive). im currently taking the pre req that will allow me to take it next semester.

I think,the simpliest way is the Basic4PPC(Basic for PocketPC). Use Google and search for it.

programming
i guess the best way is learn C#, i'm a visual basic programmer and the best app you can do with it is database app, if you want to do more powerful app for your phone is better to learn C#
i'm learning c# right now

try these two
http://www.smorgasbordet.com/pellesc/
http://trajectorylabs.com/win32.html

How can I make a simple game or app?

I've been programming for 3-4 years, about 1-2 of those years in C++(the rest in html, php, gml, js, and crapy stuff like dat). No Java, but I've heard its really easy to learn especially if you already know C++.
anyways, I've read the google tutorials and they haven't helped me since they make you download code instead of writing it (like the notepad tutorial).I've also seen all the videos that explain how android works, and I've read the stuff about it. I just want a tutorial that walks you through the process of programming an application.
basically what I want to learn is:
- How to tell if the user pressed a button, or interacted with a view
- draw an image to the screen
- open and close activities, like for a game you switch from the 1st level to the menu
- How to save data to a file, or database(whichever is best)
and things like displaying a list of items, or an alert and stuff like that.
I already setup eclipse and ran the Hello, Android application in the emulator AND my G1 with adb. So I just need to learn how to write the code
My goal(currently) is to make a picture on the screen move to the right when the user presses something(button, key, trackball, screen), but with my code, not cut & paste. I'll just turn that into a game later.
please help me with this, I've always wanted to develop apps for android(ever since I heard of it ). sorry if this sounds like a retarded question, but I've searched everywhere and I haven't found a good tutorial, and I cant buy a book
PS. I use the eclipse plugin for visually designing the layouts

http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/

I don't exactly remember from my HTML java applet days, but you can write straight to vm's frame buffer and write a simple program to change the position of the element scrolling it either way you want. Also, java input in html applets can be aided with javascript, so i used javascript to listen for user input and then have java respond to it, but that was over 10 years ago and I dont remember now T_T

really? thats helpful...
EDIT:
I've already read these tutorials on java: http://www.freejavaguide.com/corejava1.htm

Help an old programmer out...

I haven't really done anything on the programming side of things since VB6.0. Learned a bit of C once upon a time, but never really got anywhere.
Can any of you fine Devs here point me in the right directions to begin learning how to program for Android? Remember, please, that I will likely have to unlearn some things, and that I have ZERO JAVA experience. I would love to be able to make some apps to fill gaps that I see in the market.
I am running on a dual boot lappy with Win Vista and Linux Mint 10(Ubuntu derivative). Links or pointers to what I need for both sides will be welcomed and appreciated.

im reading hello android v3 and its great so far.. ive also been going thru android source.. download the android sdk and eclipse for linux and or windows.. i prefer linux as does most devs. ive also registered for night time java classes at the local community college for 13 bucks a semester. anyways goodluck!

This might be helpful for basic syntax stuff.

Start with fattire's link and pick up the Java basics. To read Android examples, you'll need to understand how Classes and Interfaces work as well as how to extend and implement them, respectively. You'll also want to understand inner classes and anonymous inner classes. Understand variable scoping in classes.
Learn how threads work. Understand the implications of multithreading and reentrance. Experiment a lot in simple, stand-alone samples.
Once you've gotten started with Java, you can download Eclipse and the Android SDK. Here's the Android "Hello World" tutorial, which is a reasonable place to start. It has pointers to everything you'll need.
http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html
Android Applications are pretty straightforward once you understand the basics... AppWidgets and Services are less so. The trick is to understand the lifecycle of each -- where and when it's appropriate to do what sorts of work and how to communicate results between different components. It will be rough going in the beginning with a fair amount of crashing as you discover you're taking too long to do something that really should be offloaded to a different part of the lifecycle or a whole new thread -- or when you discover you can't do something you want, directly, because you lack the parts and have to send a message to something that does have all the parts.
My first project was a simple button on the home screen that, in effect, runs a few commands. It took me more than a week to make it work properly, and I was already familiar with Java.
Also understand that some of the examples floating around -- even those from Google employees -- are old and that Android has had some growing pains. Double check the approach suggested by anything that's older than a year. The SDK contains sample programs that make for decent cookbook code.

thanks to all of you...as well as the mod who moved the thread to the correct spot...wasn't sure if this was the correct one.

Hello android (as mentioned above) is awesome! Another good one is Beginning Android 2. Both found here:]
Hello Android
Beginning Android

How do you plan your work before you start coding?

I’ve enjoyed writing down my thoughts and my entire workflow as one big chunk of text before starting coding. It helps me to get an overview of the things that I need to be doing. I’ve noticed that different developers have their own unique way of planning and organizing their work - right from paper and checklists, to visual boards.
It would be interesting to see 1. what tools each of us use to manage your project plan? 2. how we share this plan with our team members/clients? 3. how do we manage our specific daily tasks and todos? and 4. our workflow/ project management process?
Feel free to share your thoughts. Probably we could learn from each other's best practices.

Well, I have a system about the daily tasks and todos. Whenever I start any work I have to have a list of tasks, written in paper or in computer, to tell me all the things I have to do. These tasks can be very small things, like fixing some small flaw, or bigger things, such as starting to implement some bigger feature. Once I have all the tasks written down, I start doing the items in list in what ever order I feel like is the best, wiping things off the list as I finish them. Usually the list grows as there comes up some stuff that I was not able to plan beforehand, but as long as I have all these tasks written down, they will eventually all be dealt with. This system is super simple and helps to keep the stress down as I do not have to try to remember all these small things, and I am able to focus on the task that I am doing right now.

Talking about my own, single person projects:
Earlier, I just started coding and then had a lot of refactoring, removing, redoing...
In my recenty projects, I started writing document and just put in all my ideas. Writing helped to organize my thoughts and ideas.
The document ended it paragraphs like
- motivation
- interface
- feature x
- feature y
- feature z
... and rough ideas of how to implement something (client-server communication, how to...)
So I just used something like word.
I think, moving it further, you could use scribbles of classes, class diagrams... but for that I am still an too impulsive coder.

I'm using trello.com and creating 3 boards TODO DOING DONE. It help a lot with organization .

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