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America - SuperPower or SuperGreedy

Make your choice
Ofcourse I mean the government, not(all) the People.

I fail to see a relation with the XDA...? :roll:

Microsoft helped make the bloody thing Its part americana

I'm sure that one's view of this topic and poll is based on the time-period in which you have lived and on which side of the power you stand.

Be Carefull what you say Jupiter or We'll Be next on the Bush take over list Just like Iraq Just Tell Someone That We dont have many OIL Productions over here so Leave us alone

silly subject on this site
i thought this site was about the xda and not a few peoples gripes about america. oh and by the way osma bin laden doesent want piece and are quite prepared to drop a bomb in a country near you. i work with a iraqi who had to leave his country because saddam was about to kill him and a lot of iraqis have been killed. and its well known he had chemical weapons as america sold them to him as did russia. he also had a pile of chinese weapons so maybe all the super powers were al fault. didnt the sas train osma.
regards kevin :?:

Yes Kevin, the mentality of Jihad was nurtured, encouraged and paid for with billions of dollars supplied by Saudi and USA which was channeled through Pakistan to the Mujhadeen and others when fighting the Russians during the Afghan/Russian conflict. It suited the west at the time when others were fighting proxy wars while attempting to change the political landscape but it doesnt suit them now when the dog they trained is ripping the ass out of the trainer.
Regards the chemical weapons of Sadam, all these were destroyed under the supervision of the weapons inspectors or under their instruction. Almost all military installations were destroyed by years of daily bombing by USA and UK. The sanctions against Iraq affected children far more than the leadership, many thousands of children died because many medicines including treatment for childhood cancers were considered capable of being used in chemical weapons. Its a vile disgusting state of affairs that was ignored by the west for many years. Even one child dying through lack of basic care is abhorrent to any right thinking human being, sanctions often hurt the poor population more than others.

Open your eyes people. This is the "ANYTHING BUT IT" section of the forum Translated that means no xda discussion but GENERAL discussion.
thanks

I'm sure that one's view of this topic and poll is based on the time-period in which you have lived and on which side of the power you stand.
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No, I think it depends upon an objective study of the reality, studying the American governments interventions around the world.

Be Carefull what you say Jupiter or We'll Be next on the Bush take over list Just like Iraq Just Tell Someone That We dont have many OIL Productions over here so Leave us alone
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My XDA screen gets a bit greasy now and again. Thats Oil! I think that could be worth sendind 100,000 troops to secure the deposits from it.
Ofcourse, it will be for the protection of the screen which is getting dirty. - A threat to world security. How altruistic!

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mrijn said:
I fail to see a relation with the XDA...? :roll:
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I think that's why it's posted in the "Anything but it" forum section.

I think Americans need to take off their patriotic spectacles and see what is going on in the world.

Living in the land of hope aye? well that land is guzzling up countries for there own profit as clearly highlighted in a C4 program of i'm sure rtouhly the same name as this topic which said america has one hell of a debt and no way to pay it!

Its called C.A.P.I.T.A.L.I.S.M.

cruisin-thru said:
Yes Kevin, the mentality of Jihad was nurtured, encouraged and paid for with billions of dollars supplied by Saudi and USA which was channeled through Pakistan to the Mujhadeen and others when fighting the Russians during the Afghan/Russian conflict. It suited the west at the time when others were fighting proxy wars while attempting to change the political landscape but it doesnt suit them now when the dog they trained is ripping the ass out of the trainer.
Regards the chemical weapons of Sadam, all these were destroyed under the supervision of the weapons inspectors or under their instruction. Almost all military installations were destroyed by years of daily bombing by USA and UK. The sanctions against Iraq affected children far more than the leadership, many thousands of children died because many medicines including treatment for childhood cancers were considered capable of being used in chemical weapons. Its a vile disgusting state of affairs that was ignored by the west for many years. Even one child dying through lack of basic care is abhorrent to any right thinking human being, sanctions often hurt the poor population more than others.
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well put man and well said...best thing i have ever read for this subject!
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it's all a conspiracy!!
it's all about the green!!

How can I vote "both?"
Greed is good. It's what made us a superpower. The rest of the world can suck my sack if they don't like it.

its what will unfortunately destroy your way of living. We British are by no means perfect, in fact we have been doing some real bad stuff for years, I.e. the thousands of Russian people we sent back to there deaths just after the second world war. We have been dealing with Terrorists for years, so when we say get on with your life and just deal with it.....we mean it, you cant stop and change the world. Fact is America has been screwing up the world since before the second world war, changing governments of other nations via the CIA was bound to come bite your arses eventually, Sadam was at one point Hired by the CIA to kill either the president or prime minister, either way he messed up and killed the wrong one, the US had to get the guy out so they sent him out through Syria, he eventually got an idea to take over the place which he did, and as someone said before arranged with the USA the sale of chemical weapons, the same weapons he used and thus started the first Golf war, rather ironic really isn’t it. The other cool thing is, 9/11 right, funded by Saudi, Most of the people where Saudi, Bin-ladin and His family are Saudi, so who do we bomb........Afghanistan!! yeah how did I miss that! Saudi owns the US Government or i should say a number of people on the US government and has stuck billions of $'s in to the country, the US is not capable of finding the truth when the truth blames the US in the first place.
Ireland had a reason to bomb Cities in the UK, and I guarantee this new guy has a reason as well.......oil.....Israel.....who knows but with a bit of luck we'll find out before they (USA) gets us all killed!
Anyhow, I shall probably disappear from my home after this piece so I leave everything to my wife including my XDA II and its manual on how to use it
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Just my two pence worth.......

Arrogance will be the downfall of anyone. I sense their superpower days are numbered. Especially if a regime comes to power that switches off the oil and takes an independant approach.

The thing about superpowers are if you dun suck up to them they crush you. Those that do not conform to their ideals are left to die. Tyranny????
Maybe but in the end the soldiers and the citizens suffer.
The Political leaders safely at home eating their steaks and pies.

The thing about superpowers are if you dun suck up to them they crush you. Those that do not conform to their ideals are left to die. Tyranny????
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I disagree. The current 'SuperPower' is even destroying countries that do 'suck up' to it. No one is safe from its greedy paws.

Bush

Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?

Personally I hope not......

wonder how many recounts they do this time around ?
and maybe a trail ?
read about there being very many activists trying to keep people from voting this time
flyers saying the election had been moved to the day after
and
people comming round to peoples doors saying that the election place they were to go to had been shutdown and they could just write their vote in and give it to them
pretty crazy well suppose some people care more about who win then the democratic process

I'm sure there are some.
The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.

Jupiter said:
Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?
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Statistically, one out of two.
Not sure your question is really inocent though :roll:
I think you like hot & touchy thread

The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
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yeah it could even have the opposite effect a lot of people would get stubbern and do the opposite then what some snotnosed rest of the world person would advice
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.
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but how that he dont have to worry about reelection he may begin to worry about how he looks in the history books and be less confrontational agenst the rest of the world when it comes to deplomatics
here a big news papir had a pole
32000 people voted
kerry got 79%
nater got 8%
nobody got 7%
bush got 6%
so one might say that if that pole had been reality bush lost to nobody

Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,

paulmc
imho then kerry was less religous in his motivs when it came to politics thinking stemcell research and giving gay people the rights of marriage in some form or another
imho then kerry was less likely to offend and alienate allies and other countries in the world
imho then kerry would not have a prison camp on cuba where the internaitiol laws conserning prisoners of war were not enforced
maybe the kerry administation would have had less % of people being investergated for insider deals and corruption
and finaly then imho then it keeps a better balance if the house of rep
and the senetors and president is not in the hands of a single party
it's more moderated
just a few things i could come up with on the top of my head
of cause there are surely people who differ in openion

Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words
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Who said I wanted Kerry to be elected. Its a case of Predator vs Alien. Whoever wins, we lose!

Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?

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Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?
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Yes

paulmc said:
Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,
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I'll give you my personal opinion, conceptual more than practical as I do not live in the US, nor be concerned with elements such as "he voted that" or "he said this".
I think Bush is a dangerous religious totalitarist. I have no reason to vote for Kerry, but plenty to wish that Bush be moved aside from active international politics.
To me this man should not be re-elected as he should be forced into in LaHaye and charged with the 5 following elements against him:
1. Invading a sovereign country in complete violation of all international law, without UN approval, under very suspicious reasons, obviously telling lies about AMD and supposed connection with Ben Ladden
2. When forced to admit the is no connection between Sadam Hussein, Ben Ladden and AMD, thus no reason to invade this country, not even admitting he was wrong or worst, he got cheated or even worse of all, he deliberately lied to his people, to the nations concerned and to the rest of the world.
3. Establishing concentration camp for Afghanistan prisoners in complete violation of international law, and principles, and international treaty without having those prisoners charged of anything, and allowing no international control of what is happening in this camp
4. Sending his army to perpetuated atrocity and humiliation to irakee prisoners who have not even been charged of anything. (Keep in mind that all the US commanding officers in Irak saw before leaving, the French film "The Battle of Alger" showing what France did during the battle of Algeria, were we did exactly what you are doing presently in Iraq because we were facing the same problem). Let's call it what it is Atrocity. And we know what we are talking about for we did it too!
5. Legitimating the exclusive right for the US to strike any nations they think be a potential threat to their interest and freedom, and denying any one else the right to do so. This is to me the worst of all as establishing this principle is like opening the box of Pandora. It is open to excess, abuse and one-sided interpretation.
I've put a lot of strong word in my post. Take a moment and think about it
- Why does most of the earth citizen desired that this guy be not elected?
- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country and which stood many times with your people to fight all along your history, decided to stand-up and shout so loud.
- Why did my small country (France), which has relative small influence, little to offer and many to loose, be backed up by so many countries in its protest?
The US cannot be right against the rest of the world; else this is not democracy any more.
This is to me the 5 reasons why Kerry should be elected.
What would be 5 reasons to elect Bush?

- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country
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so that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
who were at war with us

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mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
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Sorry I did not get this ? What is you point ?
If you talk about nations who were officially at war with the US, you can add UK, Italy, Spain, Philippine, Laos. Buy my post was more about Western European nations

i were just wondering which countries had been to war with US since they were formed and you helped me by adding some that i dident remember

IMHO, for me it's kind of obvious why Bush will win... (not that I like to see him win), but remember that ever since Bush started his presidential period, the US where attacked in their own territory, so basically all Bush has done is to govern based on terror, and in the other hand all Kerry has done is negate the terror threat and threaten to reduce the weapons and national security budgets. Ok, it might be true that the terror threat is not that great, but tell that to the American people and I bet they rather not take chances.
So, I think that for the American people, which basically has lived in terror for more than three years, it's imperative that Bush takes care of business, you know, fight for "freedom" in his own selfish pathetic way :evil:
Like the old sayng goes "better safe than sorry"... :roll:
[thought]I wonder why Al Gore didn't run this time? [/thought]

i believe it's rare that a loosing party put the same guy up more then once
popular vote showed that people dident like him too much last time
that he were to unanimated for their taste

Anyone into politics?

Made a site ... based off Jim Brousarrd (if you don't know who he is or what he did, check out the main site before heading to the forums).
http://www.therealpatriot.net
If you have already seen the video... would love to have you come in and join our discussion.... Direct link-->http://therealpatriot.net/cgi/forum
Thanks guys! Hope to see ya around!

Wow... honestly thought that what he did was pretty controversial. I mean.. even if you don't join the site... would love to hear what you guys think

Into politics? Are you kidding? I got kicked off the at&t forums... how's THAT for 'into politics'?
(didn't mean to hijack your thread... but could not resist the bait!)

FoneJunkie said:
Into politics? Are you kidding? I got kicked off the at&t forums... how's THAT for 'into politics'?
(didn't mean to hijack your thread... but could not resist the bait!)
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LOL.... well don't have AT&T, but have heard some of the horror stories and saw something on the news that if you "talk bad" about them, they will drop you as a customer or something? That's hilarious in my book.

momentarylapseofreason said:
LOL.... well don't have AT&T, but have heard some of the horror stories and saw something on the news that if you "talk bad" about them, they will drop you as a customer or something? That's hilarious in my book.
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That would be Sprint>>>
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/SprintDumpingCustomers.aspx
AT&T just has over sensitive forum moderators with inadequacy issues. FoneJunkie and myself were banned because of "political correctness". Our crime was we objected to having a Spanish language forum. I have nothing against the language or culture. All cultures and people to me are interesting, fun to be around, and find something to learn from. I just want people who choose to LIVE in the USA to learn to speak the language so we can communicate. That's not to much to ask is it?
Anyway, enough of political correctness and on to politics.
ME FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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I just want people who choose to LIVE in the USA to learn to speak the language so we can communicate. That's not to much to ask is it?
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From Wikipedia, indigenous languages
North America is notable for its linguistic diversity, especially in California where it alone has 18 genetic units consisting of 74 languages (compare to the mere 4 genetic units in all of Europe: Basque, Indo-European, Uralic, and Turkic). Another area of considerable diversity appears to have been the Southeast; however, many of these languages became extinct from European contact and as a result they are, for the most part, absent from historical record. This diversity has been and continues to be very influential in the development of linguistic thought in the U.S.
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From Wikipedia, USA:
English is the de facto language of American government; Spanish is the second most common. English, Spanish, French, and Hawaiian are officially recognized by various states.
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Some Americans advocate making English the country's official language
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If you do so, please make it "real" English, the Queen's English.
Professor Henry Higgins: There even are places where English completely disappears; in America they haven't used it for years.
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Back on topic (therealpatriot.net):
One of the first phrases on that website, the first that jumps into my eye:
"The Land of the Free"...
There are over 16,000,000,000 people, about 250,000,000 live in the USA, so the rest of us, 15,750,000,000 are the poor souls living in the lands of the unfree? the oppressed? Don't you see that that phrase "the land of the free" is very insulting to the rest of the world, ignorant, short sighted, denying our rich histories, cultures and political systems?

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If you do so, please make it "real" English, the Queen's English.
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ROFL... I second that. An English comedian (can't remember his name) was talking about how everybody says he has an accent. He says since he speaks the Queen's English, it's everybody else has an accent. I have to agree.
Maggy said:
Back on topic (therealpatriot.net):
One of the first phrases on that website, the first that jumps into my eye:
"The Land of the Free"...
There are over 16,000,000,000 people, about 250,000,000 live in the USA, so the rest of us, 15,750,000,000 are the poor souls living in the lands of the unfree? the oppressed? Don't you see that that phrase "the land of the free" is very insulting to the rest of the world, ignorant, short sighted, denying our rich histories, cultures and political systems?
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Your insulted because you are adding a word into that line that isn't there.
It is "The Land of the Free"....
NOT "The only Land of the Free".
And speaking of indigenous languages, neither English or Spanish is indigenous of the Americas. From Mexico (and slowly moving north) on down, Spanish is the language of their conquerors. Most of the culture is influenced by a country thousands of miles away. And of course most should know the history of the English speaking people and their relationship to Native Americans. And you French guys... all you got was some of Canada and south Louisiana.

Your insulted because you are adding a word into that line that isn't there.
It is "The Land of the Free"....
NOT "The only Land of the Free".
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I did not, I did not, you did, you did. The phrase is unfortunately not :
"A land of some of the free"
I just ate A big apple, that's something else than THE Big Apple
(I hope, if not, then my tummy is about to explode)
And you French guys...
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Moi, je ne suis ni Français(e) ni guy. I'm a Dutch girl.

Maggy said:
The phrase is unfortunately not :
"A land of some of the free"
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That might be a better way to put it.
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Moi, je ne suis ni Français(e) ni guy. I'm a Dutch girl.
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Dutch girl??? I've heard some stories about you Dutch girls.
And of course "you French guys" was directed at.... well... French guys.

I'm Dutch and Irish myself. But here lies the problem with your argument. The term "Land of the Free" isn't arrogant. It's the truth (though that is being taken away more and more everyday). We have more rights then *most* other countries right now. You are playing with semantics.
How many other countries have what we have? We, as America do have our problems. Education is crap, many other countries have better health care than us, and we have this terrible habit of messing with other countries when we need to focus more on our own.
Even though we do have our shortfalls, the world is looking on us for those and not for all the good we do. We pass out more money to other countries than anyone else, we DO take in an unprecedented number of new citizens, and we are trying to work on our shortcomings.
So... with all the problems we currently face, do I love my country? Yes I do. I wouldn't have joined the military in order to risk my life to defend it if I didn't. My site isn't designed to belittle other countries. My site is designed around patriotism. It is also there as a open forum to discuss people that disagree with me.

momentarylapseofreason..... I like the way you think.
I want to add something to it too. I think we (USA) have the best form of government out of any country. But it has one major flaw, if I can call it a flaw. It is the fact it requires men and women of integrity and honesty to run it. And well, we are in short supply of that.

is that why you are in prison?

Rudegar said:
is that why you are in prison?
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I am in prison (aka marriage) because of stupidity.

a politician in germany is working on a fix
http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t77380.html
"“A marriage should terminate automatically after seven years”, she told attending journalists."

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The term "Land of the Free" isn't arrogant.
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Not "Land of the Free" but "THE Land of the Free" is the point of discussion
We have more rights then *most* other countries right now.
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That's very hard to judge. But lets look at some examples:
I do not have the right to carry a fire arm and I'm very glad with that situation. If I face a situation of inhumane physical suffering, I do have the right to die and doctors do have the right to help me with that last wish. I have the right to grow, buy, smoke cannabis. Every 4 years I have the right to vote for 2eKamer (compare to US Senate, more or less), I can choose from hundreds of candidates throughout the entire political spectrum, even a party for animals is actually represented in parliament. I FEEL much more free than if I would have to live in the US. But probably much less free than lots of people in Africa, Asia, South America, Australia who can walk their whole life without crossing roads, without even being able to imagine a traffic jam, who can build their hut wherever they please, who can eat whatever they can grab.
You are playing with semantics.
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Yes, great game
We pass out more money to other countries than anyone else,
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not at all true per capita, nor in % of gross national product
quote from Wikipedia, official development assistance:
The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms ($15.7 billion, 2003), but the smallest among developed countries as a percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003).
we DO take in an unprecedented number of new citizens,
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Some quotes from Wikipedia, Immigration
The EU, in 2005, had an overall net gain from international migration of +1.8 million people. This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005
After 2000, legal immigrants to the United States numbered approximately 1,000,000 per year.
Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world

democracy chart
http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMOCRACY_INDEX_2007_v3.pdf
giving food to the poor countries chart
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp?p=1

best city to live in
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
most expensive city to live in
http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

Have to love people that quote Wikipedia like it's the damned bible. It's written by people like you and I.
Oh.. and one other thing. Why don't you find THIS on Wikipedia; You say Spanish is the second most spoken language in America. It is now!? Because all of the illegal sons of a *****es come here and expect hand outs.
Wow, you have the ability to smoke cannibas? That's your argument? ROFLMAO. Answer me this.... If your country is so much better than America, so much easier... Why aren't people from European nations moving there instead of here? Our Polish/Russian/Serbian immigration is staggering lately.
Gwelker, the reason that we are having troubles with our government is because it is black & white. When was the last time you read about what the green party, constitution, independent or libertarian party stood for (much less voted for one).
MARK MY WORDS:
"Until Americans realize that this is not a 2 party system, we are ****ed"
End of story.....
So... wanna bring this over to my forum?

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best city to live in
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I love Switzerland... but if you look at cost of living in any of the cities up top, it's outrageous. I have several friends high up at Siemens that I visit in Germany all of the time. I would take that or Switzerland over the Netherlands any day. However, it is still expensive. Taxes are outrageous in comparison.

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That would be Sprint>>>
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/SprintDumpingCustomers.aspx
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Didn't have the time to look it up earlier... but http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Censors-Customers-Negative-Opinions-88010
Sprint only drops users calling X number of times a day to customer service... AT&T is actually dropping customers that just talk bad about them

Obama - Dream Come True or Disaster?

Hi all,
I think it's fantastic that Barack Obama is President Elect of USA.
As this is an international forum I thought it would be interesting to see whether there is a difference of opinion between US Citizens, and those outside the US. I am British.
What do you think of Barack Obama's success in the election? What are your hopes, expectations, fears and concerns about for his administration?
It would be helpful for the purpose of discussion to state whether or not you are a US Citizen if it's not in your profile.
Cheers,
andrew-in-woking

I am a U.S. citizen and I believe it's a great thing. I'm not so sure he'll be the greatest man ever to be elected to office, but I know we dodged a bullet by not electing McCain/Palin. Imagine George Bush with a Vice President that considers herself experienced in foreign relations because she lives across the Bering Straight from Siberia... What a joke.

I live in the south and I think that the old days of the racist guard are over. It's an amazing thing, and I have a gut feeling he could be a historic president outside of the black thing. I was over joyed last night and even got a little misty eyed...and this is coming from someone who is a staunch Nader supporter. It's so amazing to see my state go blue!

burgertime said:
I live in the south and I think that the old days of the racist guard are over. It's an amazing thing, and I have a gut feeling he could be a historic president outside of the black thing. I was over joyed last night and even got a little misty eyed...and this is coming from someone who is a staunch Nader supporter. It's so amazing to see my state go blue!
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Sir, I commend you and your state... From the south, you still turned up blue. It's great to see states like NC and VA (who hadn't voted Democrat in over 40 years) making the right decision. This election has renewed a bit of the faith I had lost in the American people as a whole, the ability to see beyond race and beyond the fancy credentials and realize what this nation really needs. Congratulations to all Americans, and let's just wait for the day... What is it, 01/20/2009? This was one hell of a first election for me, great way to start voting.

I'm in Italy, very far from US, and maybe i dont know anythiiii...
But from first sight, i did non trust McCain. I was more disappointed, when i saw Madame Palin.
Cannot say i trust Obama, as i dont know his politic history; but i thik he's better.
We will see in the near future.

I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.

Hi,
I'm from Austria and watched the whole election night on CNN Int. and other local senders. I think its a very good first step. Obama can't do it any worse than Bush did it the past 8 years and I think he will be better than McCain too. There's a chance that the US now can fix their broken image in the world and fix their problems in the country itself. Hope it works.
One more thing: I didn't consider McCain to be a big problem as president, but I didn't like to see Palin as vicepresident. You can say what you want, but with 72 years theres a higher risk to become unfit to be president, than with 47. And in that case Palin would have been a disaster for both, the world and the US - imho.
So, my best wishes to the US citizens. I think it was the right choice.

chalid said:
Hi,
I'm from Austria and watched the whole election night on CNN Int. and other local senders. I think its a very good first step. Obama can't do it any worse than Bush did it the past 8 years and I think he will be better than McCain too. There's a chance that the US now can fix their broken image in the world and fix their problems in the country itself. Hope it works.
One more thing: I didn't consider McCain to be a big problem as president, but I didn't like to see Palin as vicepresident. You can say what you want, but with 72 years theres a higher risk to become unfit to be president, than with 47. And in that case Palin would have been a disaster for both, the world and the US - imho.
So, my best wishes to the US citizens. I think it was the right choice.
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That's exactly what it comes down to... I don't think Obama is our Lord and savior, I simply think he's better for the country than another George Bush. McCain loved to say "they say I vote with George Bush 90% of the time, but I'm not George Bush." Well obviously you're not, but ****, 9 out of 10 is 9 out of 10! 10% better than the last 8 years is not good enough.

It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
-Mc

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I simply think he's better for the country than another George Bush.
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He didn't run against George Bush. So a vote for Obama was NOT a vote against George Bush.

McHale said:
He didn't run against George Bush. So a vote for Obama was NOT a vote against George Bush.
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Did you read what else I said? You're right, McCain isn't George Bush, he's 90% of George Bush.

GWelker62 said:
I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.
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Many Republicans and Democrats vote straight ticket, this is no different then a black man voting solely on race. They are both dumb reason to vote. That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical. I agree with you on the labels thing though.

McHale said:
It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
-Mc
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You're right, we should stay in Iraq for another decade like McCain wants, spending $12 billion a month, I'm sure that'll lead to tax cuts... Oh wait, how does that math work? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Considering Obama said the only tax hikes will be for people with $250k+ salaries, I don't think your "not much better than Wal-Mart salary" will suffer as much as you think. I guess you can call me a taker, because I, along with much more than half of the planet, forget our country, agree that Obama is a much better selection. Stop listening to the McCain campaign and what daddy tells you, tax hikes for higher paid citizens is not socialism, look it up.

burgertime said:
Many Republicans and Democrats vote straight ticket, this is no different then a black man voting solely on race. They are both dumb reason to vote. That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical. I agree with you on the labels thing though.
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I don't recall many times Obama mentioned in his campaign that he was black, he didn't use it as a leverage point at all. That's why the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton failed so miserably in their political escapades, it was all about race. With Obama, he showed how he can change the nation, not with his skin color but with his intelligence and his views... McCain just brought up being held captive 5 decades ago and hoped that would pull him through.

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"Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy
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Actually it does. The more money people have the more they can spend, which for sure will boost the economy.
Socialism. What is that exactly? Please explain
And another thing: Its true Obama didn't run against Bush, but McCain did. If there weren't the last 8 years McCain could have won this. But unfortunately for him, Bushs politics failed over and over again, which naturally strengthened all political enemies. And one of those is Barack Obama.

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I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.
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Very well said sir. I actually did not vote for either of the two more popular candidates. I agree "there will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white." Why can't we all be called Americans. Isn't that what makes American great? That no matter where you came from or what ethnicity you are, you are still an American first. Not Mexican American or African American, Asian American, Italian American, German American, etc. why not just be American.
I agree that it is important to keep and cherish historic traditions and customs. Each different ethnic group brings something good to this country and it's important to recognize that. Maybe this election will help bring this country closer together. There is no doubt some real tension is surrounding this country. I would like nothing more than Americans to come together.
I for one will give Barack Obama a fair shot. In his speech last night he said, "And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too."
His speech was excellent last night. He is a great orator and I am encouraged by his presence and hope that he does well. I trully do.
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You're right, we should stay in Iraq for another decade like McCain wants, spending $12 billion a month, I'm sure that'll lead to tax cuts... Oh wait, how does that math work? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Considering Obama said the only tax hikes will be for people with $250k+ salaries, I don't think your "not much better than Wal-Mart salary" will suffer as much as you think. I guess you can call me a taker, because I, along with much more than half of the planet, forget our country, agree that Obama is a much better selection. Stop listening to the McCain campaign and what daddy tells you, tax hikes for higher paid citizens is not socialism, look it up.
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I agree with you. I never thought I would say that. We are spending way to much in Iraq and need to leave as soon as we can. I don't think that John McCain wanted to spend another decade in Iraq but that is neither here nor there now.
President Bush spent money like a Liberal. I have never seen a Republican candidate spend so much money. It's funny that Republicans run under the platform and spending but many of them as just as bad as there Liberal counterparts. I hope that Barack Obama reduces military expenditures like the one in Iraq and direct this attention to Afghanistan.
I am not however going to argue with you concerning the tax increases for people of 250k+. If he does that it will be curious to see what effect this will have on the real economy.
...but remember when you start taxing companies that will entice them to seek else where to incorporate. Which takes the jobs with them. I just hope that we can come to a middle ground because the real problem of America are not going to be settled overnight. With a clear majority in both the House and Senate the Democrats will have complete control of everything.

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That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical.
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I agree.... Just note I didn't say it wasn't historical, I said it was over rated.

GWelker62 said:
I agree.... Just note I didn't say it wasn't historical, I said it was over rated.
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Sorry read too fast!

McHale said:
It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
-Mc
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Do realize that 90% of current America from around 1920 on has embraced socialist ideas?
Have you been to college? This is a socialist ideal, you give tuition which is then spread throughout to help out say a sports program you have nothing to do with. In turn the money the sports program makes is then spread (usually unequally) to academics. So are you also anti college because of it's evil socialist agenda?
How about police and fireman? They are paid through taxes which "share the wealth" to those agencies. Ever notice how some wealthy small towns have over the top police departments? This is because the "wealth" is being distributed there. Are you also against fireman and police?
How about your highway and roads? Should we abolish these because the "wealth is spread around"?
You would probably answer no to all three. So actually research stuff before you start making broad over dramatic statements about something you know nothing about. Americans have such a narrow view of socialism because of our involvement in Vietnam and our hastiness to decry anything slightly socialist.
Obama has socialist ideals, this makes him no more a socialist then you if you pay taxes or went/go to college.

I'm from Canada and I'm pretty happy with who won. Mind you...I'm a conservative at heart and always will be, but with the two men that were running, I think the best man for United States won. Years from now, history will tell us if it was a good thing or bad. Until such time, the storm has to be weathered.
...oh...and for those wondering, Canada is more or less a socialist country.

there is a good place to learn english

i think i will learn more english than phone knowledge.
my mobile is meizu m9 and i cant find much of it.

reading books and novels taught me good English

The best thing I know to do is to start asking questions and never stop.
Sadly, too many of us here in the U.S. don't care and don't take pride in being able to write properly.
I know I'm new here (in fact I'm *brand new* as of today) but if you have questions, I'm certain there's others on here like me who can help.
Remember: we learn by doing.

I learned English at a strip joint.

Assuming you're in China, get a girlfriend who can't speak Chinese.
Join more activities with people from different countries.

I'm not a proponent of the "immersive" approach to language education, tbh. I don't believe it really works all that well, and I do believe it is an extremely resource-intensive, inefficient approach.
But then again, that's just me talking.

I just got rosetta stone for arabic. The pronunciation is killing me. Can't vouch for it though, just started it.

Cable television helped a lot with my english, back when I was in school (20 years ago)

boborone said:
I just got rosetta stone for arabic. The pronunciation is killing me. Can't vouch for it though, just started it.
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need help?, I am a native
@clown, yup movies, movies and more movies without reading subtitles

husam666 said:
need help?, I am a native
@clown, yup movies, movies and more movies without reading subtitles
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I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I'm saving up for a backpacking trip to the Middle East. That is is some beautiful land and culture yall have out there. Just so much untouched land. I've backpacked around America, but never been outside the US.
EDIT There is one thing that you can help me with. Besides Al Jazerra, what other news sites would be good to watch/read to learn more. Also, do you know of a good way to learn the alphabet and writing? Thanks.

boborone said:
I'll keep that in mind, thanks. I'm saving up for a backpacking trip to the Middle East. That is is some beautiful land and culture yall have out there. Just so much untouched land. I've backpacked around America, but never been outside the US.
EDIT There is one thing that you can help me with. Besides Al Jazerra, what other news sites would be good to watch/read to learn more. Also, do you know of a good way to learn the alphabet and writing? Thanks.
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here's one http://www.alarabiya.net/
with the alphabets, sry idk.

husam666 said:
here's one http://www.alarabiya.net/
with the alphabets, sry idk.
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Thanks man

best advice is to hang out with people who speak the language you want to learn, Then ,read out load every day that language (gets your mouth used to saying the words). That was the biggest help for me

SciFiSurfer said:
I'm not a proponent of the "immersive" approach to language education, tbh. I don't believe it really works all that well, and I do believe it is an extremely resource-intensive, inefficient approach.
But then again, that's just me talking.
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Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.

Btros said:
Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.
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Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?

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Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?
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What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.

Btros said:
Immersion is pretty well proven to be the fastest way to learn a language actually. I studied Spanish for 5 years in high school and college and learned more Japanese in the first six months I lived in Japan without studying for one minute than I learned in 5 years of Spanish classes.
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Can't agree more, they taught us hebrew in my school and I can barely understand that language
sent from a parallel universe

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Here's my question on that point: Do you attribute immersion itself, or that by living in Japan you had a credible "need to know" as opposed to a merely arbitrary academic requirement and/or interest when you were still in school?
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What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.
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I agree, I think that is the point of immersion - that you are forced to find ways to communicate in the native language. The best advice I ever got about learning Japanese in Japan was from a fellow American - he saw me keep looking in my English to Japanese dictionary and told me to throw that thing away and get a Japanese to English one. Instead of looking up words in English and then trying to say the Japanese word I saw there, I would listen to the Japanese speaker telling me something, look up the word IN JAPANESE and then find the meaning on my own in English.
Using the words I learned in an authentic context day after day was the only way I learned to use them naturally.

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What's the difference? Not sure what point you're trying to make. Please explain.
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Well, just like Btros said, he took Hebrew in school and can't function at all in it. The difference is that when you take a language in school, unless you actually have a personal passion for learning another language, or that language in particular, you don't really have a need-to-know and so you don't really learn it.
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I agree, I think that is the point of immersion - that you are forced to find ways to communicate in the native language.
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I suppose one could stumble through this sort of process, but it just seems like a very painful one. For one, how can you look up words in a language you don't know? I mean, if I were listening to a Japanese speaker, I'd have enough of a time trying to hear the individual words, let alone ever attempting to reconstruct their spelling and, from there, look up the meaning of the word.
Without at least some formal instruction, how can someone actually know what they're listening to? It's not like any of us native speakers speak. like. this. when. talking. to. other. people. in. the. real. world. and yet, without conversations being had in that manner. we native speakers speaklikethiswhentalkingtootherpeopleintherealworld and that is basically impossible, aurally, to pick apart when you don't have vocabulary.

SciFiSurfer said:
Well, just like Btros said, he took Hebrew in school and can't function at all in it. The difference is that when you take a language in school, unless you actually have a personal passion for learning another language, or that language in particular, you don't really have a need-to-know and so you don't really learn it.
I suppose one could stumble through this sort of process, but it just seems like a very painful one. For one, how can you look up words in a language you don't know? I mean, if I were listening to a Japanese speaker, I'd have enough of a time trying to hear the individual words, let alone ever attempting to reconstruct their spelling and, from there, look up the meaning of the word.
Without at least some formal instruction, how can someone actually know what they're listening to? It's not like any of us native speakers speak. like. this. when. talking. to. other. people. in. the. real. world. and yet, without conversations being had in that manner. we native speakers speaklikethiswhentalkingtootherpeopleintherealworld and that is basically impossible, aurally, to pick apart when you don't have vocabulary.
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you should work in politics or better yet, samsung pr
"ah yes, that's a nice question, hey look over there"