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Call transferring

Don't know if this is Kaiser only, but since I'ts a kaiser thats giving me grief here goes...
We're using a mobile switchboard and as part of the group answering our main phonenumber I'd really like to be able to transfer calls with my Kaiser...
Normal phones (as in my last Nokia E61i as well as my N95) gives me the options to park the current call, dial my colleague and then "transfer".. I can't find this option on my Kaiser..
Is this option not available in WM6 or is it HTC that has "removed" it? Or perhaps, is there a thirdparty software to help me with it

Go to Start / Settings / Phone / Services / Call Forwarding.

I'm talking about call transferring not call forwarding..
Transfer = I answer the call, call another contact & transfer it to him..
Forward = all my calls go to another contact and/or number...

Can I push this up, cause I'm desperatly looking for this function on the kaiser.
Maybe there's some addon or a special key combination to activate call transfer on the htc kaiser?

yep - this is possible but is network dependent.
you need to put the call on HOLD.
call your colleage/2nd party.
CONFERENCE the call (so you and 2 callers can hear each other)
then YOU hang up - they are left connected and chatting (but at the expense of YOUR bill!!!)
Hope this helps you.

firstbuddha said:
yep - this is possible but is network dependent.
you need to put the call on HOLD.
call your colleage/2nd party.
CONFERENCE the call (so you and 2 callers can hear each other)
then YOU hang up - they are left connected and chatting (but at the expense of YOUR bill!!!)
Hope this helps you.
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Thanks for the answer! I will try this when I'm back in my company.
The costs are no problem because we call each other in the company for free and the call transfer is only needed to redirect customers to the right contact but I think it's a long way round when there could be a simple option in the menu (like hold and conference). Every other mobile I know offers a direct way to do this (either a menu item called transfer or by pressing a number).

firstbuddha said:
you need to put the call on HOLD.
call your colleage/2nd party.
CONFERENCE the call (so you and 2 callers can hear each other)
then YOU hang up - they are left connected and chatting (but at the expense of YOUR bill!!!)
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Tested it and it doesn't work. It simply quits the complete conference.
Again, maybe there's a special dialer which supports it or some kex combination to press.
I really need this feature!

Solved!
So here's the way it works on wm devices:
Get the first call and put it on hold.
Make the second call and press the number 4 followed by the green phone button.
The second call is now transferred to the first and you are finished.
Great thanks to my phone provider ONE who came up with it!

Nice find! Does not work on my Q-Mobile 1.2 Tilt with AT&T.
I get "cannot conference calls"
I contacted AT&T and they said there is no way to do it.
I did read that if your call comes in using a Google Grand Central number you can transfer it using Grand Central specific codes.
Later, Lew

lewcamino said:
Nice find! Does not work on my Q-Mobile 1.2 Tilt with AT&T.
I get "cannot conference calls"
I contacted AT&T and they said there is no way to do it.
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Yes, it's a "feature" that your Phone Provider must support in order to use it.

I get "cannot conference calls".
I know for a fact that the same sim when used in my old v v old ericsson r380 world phone allows me to conference multiple people.
but my kaiser (running stock) says the above message.
how can i conference calls? the phone looses part of its utility value if I am unable to use this feature. someone got any tips/ tricks for me?
p.s. i initiate both the calls...

conference call is not the same as call transfer!
You can start a conference as described by firstbuddha a few posts ago in this thread (you just shouldn't hang up if you want to stay in the conference). There's also a menu item for conference call.
If you use my method with pressing 4 and the green phone button you are trying to transfer a call which is only possible when your phone provider allows it.

Call waiting problem in all PPC

When you are calling someone that has another call (Call waiting), your PPC do not show in a notification or beep that the second party is having another line.
This is available on any very basic symbian phone.
Is there a cab to fix that?
Share a solution if you have one..

This is a feature from your carrier.... Call waiting works just fime on my Kaiser

rohanmaini said:
This is a feature from your carrier.... Call waiting works just fime on my Kaiser
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Call waiting works fine on my Kaiser as well.
The carrier here has this option.
This is not the problem though.
The problem is when you call someone up from a PPC and that party has another line.
You should get a beep or a visual notification showing that the person you are calling has another line (my call is waiting on his phone).
So, if someone has a solution for this; please share.

Ok what I think your talking about is when you call someone that is on the phone, you hear a quick beep indicating that they are on the line, correct????
If this is what you are talking about, YES it is carrier specific. For example, when I call my father on Verizon and he is on the phone with someone else, after each ring there is a small beep. This is telling me that he is on the line.
There is nothing you can do to the Tilt to change this, it is carrier specific.

True... and there are also some PBX systems that provide the ring/beep when you are the call waiting. It usually depends on the phone system of the person you're calling.

fireblade63 said:
Call waiting works fine on my Kaiser as well.
The carrier here has this option.
This is not the problem though.
The problem is when you call someone up from a PPC and that party has another line.
You should get a beep or a visual notification showing that the person you are calling has another line (my call is waiting on his phone).
So, if someone has a solution for this; please share.
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I think that is carrier specific too.. if I am calling some someone who is busy on another call, I get a completely diff to ringing tone.. Infact in most cases I get a audio message that the person I am calling is busy on another call and I should wait or call back later... Atleast thats what we have on all major carriers here in India...

ok we know that carrier has to support it, i know t-mobile does...
i used an old nokia to check and it works, it beeps and the whole screen says CALL WAITING, then it starts ringing...
i haven't seen any Windows Mobile touch screen or not that can do this
so its a carrier thing, yes t-mobile supports it.. windows mobile doesnt support it though!!!

so there is no way to make a .cab or something to fix this problem

It's not broken so how can you fix it? It's just not a feature that is offered.

it is not about the carrier. for instance when i had a nokia, when the other party was on the phone i had a beep in my phone, but with the WM devices, you cannot see that you call is waiting.

[Request] Undetecatable Call Blocking

I have been looking for this since I first started using Windows Mobile.
Unfortunately, most of the softwares out there (because they are not built into the ROM) can not reject calls without the other side knowing. I have tried every software out there, all of them are the same, the caller will hear a ring, or part of a ring, then they will get a busy signal (rejected).
I can't believe this is hard to create, I use to have it 12 years ago in my BASIC alcatel phone. When a black listed caller dials, they get nothing .. or get an out of coverage message from the operator. I believe the way it worked, is that the phone detects the caller number, BEFORE responding that it has acknowledged the call and is ringing.
I guess that is why I am saying that it is built in to the ROM as a driver or something, and not just a software.
Any Ideas, thoughts, where I can find this, anyone WILLING to make it ?

I know there are some recent roms being created that has the call blocking feature built in. i'm using one those roms, which is indicated in my signature. when u mentioned that you've tried them (call blocking applications) all, were they free and/or commercial apps, or apps created in the development/hacking section? Collectively speaking, there's alot of those types of applications floating out there, but maybe you've already tried those.

pheroah said:
I have been looking for this since I first started using Windows Mobile.
Unfortunately, most of the softwares out there (because they are not built into the ROM) can not reject calls without the other side knowing. I have tried every software out there, all of them are the same, the caller will hear a ring, or part of a ring, then they will get a busy signal (rejected).
I can't believe this is hard to create, I use to have it 12 years ago in my BASIC alcatel phone. When a black listed caller dials, they get nothing .. or get an out of coverage message from the operator. I believe the way it worked, is that the phone detects the caller number, BEFORE responding that it has acknowledged the call and is ringing.
I guess that is why I am saying that it is built in to the ROM as a driver or something, and not just a software.
Any Ideas, thoughts, where I can find this, anyone WILLING to make it ?
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1st off, change your number
if that doesn't suite your needs make a fake dial tone which states your number is not in service as your voicemail while using call firewall. after a few weeks the person will give up calling you. Callers will receive one full ring and it will go to your new fake voicemail after blocking them, which they will perceive as your phone being turned off or changed your number.
common sense now pay me.

hahahah nice one .. except the keyword here is UNDETECTABLE ... if they know i changed my number or i am blocking them, they will find me and ask for the NEW number ....
As I said before, the only device I saw that feature on, was the really old alcatel models; which didn't give you a ring, didn't give you a busy tone, probably just ignored the request coming in from the telco when it is one of the black listed numbers.
Nice try, but I would pay you, if you could do the same on windows mobile. By the way I was testing an alpha versio of the cruise before it was launched, and it actually (accidently) opened the speaker, before you actually picked up the phone call, so the other side could hear you, before you even answer.
Thus, I am sure these things are possible, if there is someone who has the knowledge, and power to play with the operator

I haven't tried anything comercial, didn't find what i was looking for. If you know of any comercial software or freeware that does what i am stating. i.e. doesn't ring before it blocks the call. That would be great

I have something called MAGICALL, and it works great. You can set it to pick up then hang up, however the best part is that the call doesnt "come through" or let the phone ring. Unless you specify the software to give you a pop up message indicating it blocked a call. I love it since it doesnt even let the phone ring, its like if you never got called.

Same thing, I already tried MagiCall and it rings once to the caller, and then disconnects. Very obvious that you are avoiding the person.

I currently use a free voicemail feature called YouMail, which has call filtering and call blocking features. You can block calls (I believe) and also create a unique voicemail greetings for those you want/trying to avoid as well. www.youmail.com

I also use magicall for this. As an action I choose 'ignore' and then the caller just hears the phoen ringing, the connection is not broken. And you, well you hear and see nothing so you are not disturbed. Is that not what you want/?

Not exactly, ignore is a nice feature if you dont' want to be disturbed, but if someone is constantly bugging you; you would like them not to even reach your phone (so they don't come next day in the office, and say I left you three missed calls, and you didn't answer me).
It would be easier if they just got a this phone is out of coverage (or something similar) from the operator; then you can always blame the operator, that they couldn't reach you ... you get my drift ?

Yeah, I get your drift. But, if you're not reachable, then I guess it's the provider that sends back a message to the caller. I don't think your phone can send that message to the caller.
Moreover in most cases if you're not reachable then the caller also gets sent to your voicemail and he can also leave a message and come to you next day asking why you didn't react to his voice messages.
So the only option would be to send a message back saying that the number doesn't exist. But again, you would have to be able to spoof a provider based message for that.
I see these options when a caller really wants to get hold of you and you don't want to react:
* drop the call after 1 ring: caller notices he gets dropped, gets pissed an comes to see you
* send message back saying you're out of coverage: caller leaves message, which you ignore, caller gets pissed and comes to see you
* send a message back saying that the number doesn't exist: caller inquires whether you changed number, finds out you didn't, gets pissed and comes to see you
* silently ignore him: caller leaves a message, which you ignore, caller gets pissed and comes to see you.
Seems you're screwed either way
Why not simply answer the call and tell the caller to f*ck off. He's bound to get pissed also but at least he'll leave you alone and you'll feel relieved.

Well for one, I don't use voice mail ... secondly, because it is the provider that sends the message, it is authentic....
So if your mobile ... somehow ... ignores the call coming from the provider ... the provider sends a message saying that the mobile is out of coverage ...

pheroah said:
hahahah nice one .. except the keyword here is UNDETECTABLE ... if they know i changed my number or i am blocking them, they will find me and ask for the NEW number ....
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Hmm, you're asking for someone to develop a piece of software because you have no spine? I know of no Java/.Net/etc API that is better than the truth. Tell the person to leave you be. The currently available call firewalls work great for when you need to be in a "Call Free Environment."

It has nothing to do with my spine; and I currently have NO ONE harasing me; but I believe that the current Call firewalls have a disadvantage, and lack a feature.
I wish there was someone in XDA-Developers who is willing to spend some time to make some adjustments to one of the ROMs to have this built in. Especially as this feature is available in historic phones that have a lot less features than a WM.

Im also using Magicall for this & its working great, the other party doen't even hear a ring. It has many other features too.

Outgoing Ringtone/Music on Hold

Hello everyone - I couldn't think of a name for what I'm talking about, so I thought I would explain it. I sometimes hear music when I call someone's mobile phone. It's like they chose a tune for callers to hear when they call them. Also, another person placed me on hold when they received a beep, and I could hear a tune playing. The person said that their device begins to play through their playlist when they use the hold or swap feature. I asked what they were using, and they were using a Palm device.
Anyone heard of software that I could get to allow these functions on my Tilt?
Thanks!

Outgoing ringtones are a network feature.. they'll do it automatically for you and charge you an additional monthly fee.

Oh... OK Thanks.

I found a registry setting somewhere, that you can point to a sound/music file as a custom 'on hold' tune. I tried several audio files, however it didnt work.. so I guess it does depend on the network..

Call Queue

Hi Before I purchased my Kaiser i had a Sony Ericsson phone, my old phone gave me a signal when the person I was calling was handling another call. This is not happening with my Kaiser, anyone know of an application that can make this on the Kaiser or can anyone develop one? (I know it still working because I just test it with my old phone)
Thanks

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as far as i know, if you call a person who is busy on another line, my network plays a prerecorded female voice that says:
"The number you have dialed is busy on another line. Please wait."
i had a cheap-ass motorola phone and this is what i heard. after upgrading to the kaiser, i hear the SAME THING, nothing more, nothing less.
what i mean to say is that MAYBE the sony ericsson was doing something propriatory that might not be considered a "standard feature" and therefore the kaiser (and my previous cheap-ass motorola and countless other basic bare bone phones i've used) doesn't include it.
HOWEVER, when I myself am on the phone and someone calls me, the kaiser beeps/rings/vibrates (depending on the sound profile and settings) to indicate i have a call waiting.

ASCIIker said:
as far as i know, if you call a person who is busy on another line, my network plays a prerecorded female voice that says:
"The number you have dialed is busy on another line. Please wait."
i had a cheap-ass motorola phone and this is what i heard. after upgrading to the kaiser, i hear the SAME THING, nothing more, nothing less.
what i mean to say is that MAYBE the sony ericsson was doing something propriatory that might not be considered a "standard feature" and therefore the kaiser (and my previous cheap-ass motorola and countless other basic bare bone phones i've used) doesn't include it.
HOWEVER, when I myself am on the phone and someone calls me, the kaiser beeps/rings/vibrates (depending on the sound profile and settings) to indicate i have a call waiting.
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ASCIIker I Completely understand what your saying, when you call someone that is busy on another line your carrier gives you a message saying that the caller is busy on the other line and to wait, in my carrier it doesn't happen like that, you get the same tone as if the caller its not on another call, so that's why this tools is handy at least with my carrier, In my case it goes like these, it rings and in the middle of the first ring it gives me a tone(and also shows a message saying "caller busy"), with my kaiser it doesn't do it.
Thanks for the reply

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