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Charges while on WIFI?

This probably sounds stupid but If I am using my 8125 to chat on MSN and I turn off the phone and have the WIFI only on will there be any charges to me from my Cingular? I thought I read where a guy was charged somehow.
But he might have been smoking something too...
I might turn off my Media Net for a few months and if so I still can use my WIFI in local cafe shops to do MSN.
Thanks all,

you only pay for data which requires to sim card to be in (gprs, text, calls) and any account that you would log onto via wifi.

So if I am using it at home with WiFi only on my network then there should be no charges, correct?
I might be turning the Media Net off for a while but still want to get access to the emails through my LAN.

ok, if you take out you sim, can you still do it?
yes = free
no = $$/££s
but if you pay for the amount of mb you use with your Internet connection, you pay for that instead

Bobby I understand kinda what you are saying but my internet here at home is unlimited. So free if I pay my internet fees.
What I mean to ask is this. If I have my sim card still in place and go to Comm Manager and turn off the Phone Connection and have the WI FI on and my phone connects to an IP on my router, Will the data that is transfered be charged to me from my Cell Phone carrier (Cingular)?
Thank you for replying so often.

redneckms said:
What I mean to ask is this. If I have my sim card still in place and go to Comm Manager and turn off the Phone Connection and have the WI FI on and my phone connects to an IP on my router, Will the data that is transfered be charged to me from my Cell Phone carrier (Cingular)?
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NO!!!! WIFI IS FREE!!!!!

Thats what I like. A straight answer.
Thanks

If you are going to do that, understand if your Wifi drops, the phone will revert to GPRS connection if its available. So I'd recommend you install the NoData cab as this will allow you to completely turn off any other access.

newbie2 said:
NO!!!! WIFI IS FREE!!!!!
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i of course understand that wifi is free, but something just came to my mind...
when you encounter an accesspoint that requires you to pay for the connection, how does it work? is it a contract with user and passwd you get to login onto the ap network, or is it possible that they charge your sim(home network of course)? i ask this stupid question because i can see some Orange (mobile operator) hotspots in my town, and just started to think about it;]
on the other hand, these hotspots require you to login prior to use WWW, but seems that you can use any other service with no limits (mail, ftp), funny ;]

Data connection & Chat
redneckms said:
This probably sounds stupid but If I am using my 8125 to chat on MSN and I turn off the phone and have the WIFI only on will there be any charges to me from my Cingular? I thought I read where a guy was charged somehow.
But he might have been smoking something too...
I might turn off my Media Net for a few months and if so I still can use my WIFI in local cafe shops to do MSN.
Thanks all,
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Hi Guys,
I past I have some experience where I thought that I am using my WiFi for the Chat.
But infact the bill from Tmobile shows my text message bucket was used for the chat.
I clarified with Tmobile. they confirmed that the chat will be based on the SMS/ Text messaging wich will be using your SIM card not the WiFi.
That was with WM5 I do not know about WM6 though.

If you use WIFI to IM through either AIM or MSN you will be charged for TXT messaging, not internet usage... if you have unlimited TXT messaging then you have nothing to worry about.

banerjeez said:
Hi Guys,
I past I have some experience where I thought that I am using my WiFi for the Chat.
But infact the bill from Tmobile shows my text message bucket was used for the chat.
I clarified with Tmobile. they confirmed that the chat will be based on the SMS/ Text messaging wich will be using your SIM card not the WiFi.
That was with WM5 I do not know about WM6 though.
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T-mobile only cost £1 a day anyway for GPRS, so it shouldn't matter what ya do.
(Unless you live in USA, the charges may be different)

Madcap180 said:
If you use WIFI to IM through either AIM or MSN you will be charged for TXT messaging, not internet usage... if you have unlimited TXT messaging then you have nothing to worry about.
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So much misinformation!!!
No WiFi is TOTALLY FREE they can not tell what you are doing on it, when you are on it, or anything about it!
If you leave the phone on and WiFi drops, it uses GPRS instead which costs money.
If you use the IM program that comes with stock firmware (from T-Mobile, Cingular, etc) then that program uses SMS for the messages and you will be charged whether the WiFi is on or not, but it will NOT be sent over WiFi. If you use that program and turn off the phone and turn on the WiFi, it will not work.
Get an IM program that uses IP not SMS.

No WiFi is TOTALLY FREE they can not tell what you are doing on it, when you are on it, or anything about it!
If you leave the phone on and WiFi drops, it uses GPRS instead which costs money.
If you use the IM program that comes with stock firmware (from T-Mobile, Cingular, etc) then that program uses SMS for the messages and you will be charged whether the WiFi is on or not, but it will NOT be sent over WiFi. If you use that program and turn off the phone and turn on the WiFi, it will not work.
Get an IM program that uses IP not SMS.
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I agree for now. I have Media Net package for 19.95 Unlimited with 200 TXT messages. So far I have been using both WiFI and GPRS this month and I have use 24 MB of usage with only 3 txt messages. I have been using MSN all month. I dont see any extra charges yet.
My $0.02

HSDPA, 3G, GPS and Google Maps...

When I first got my kaiser, I could use the Google Maps "My Location" (location via tower position) while connected to WIFI with the 3G logo in the top bar.
Now, I have upgraded to the HTC ROM (so much better), and if I turn off HSDPA (so 3G is showing on top bar), I cannot use the "My Location" feature. As soon as I enable HSDPA and soft reboot, the "My Location" feature works.
Now... the question. Since I am on WIFI, my in house network, am I using the HSDPA to transfer data? I know that the map data comes via my 802.11 network, but why the heck does HSDPA have to be enable? If so, am I being charged for it? I just switched to ATT and have not received a bill, so I am hoping every time I use the HSDPA and google maps on my WIFI, I am not getting charged?
I do not have a data plan, but it still lets me open a data session (which I assume costs a ton). When HSDPA is on an H icon is at the top bar. When its off it goes back to 3G. When I click on the H is says "No Data Sessions Active", so I'm safe right, even though it has to be on for Google Maps?
Also, I cant seem enable GPS with Google Maps. It searches for a satellite forever and never gets anywhere. Does using GPS cost money with ATT? Is there a good program for GPS usage?
My main concern is NOT getting charged cause I do not have a data plan. I only use the WIFI. Thanks for you help.

You need to go to your ATT rep and tell them to turn off the pay per use data package. If not, they usually leave this on, you will be charged. Google Maps uses a data plan. It will not work without one as the maps are loaded as you and your phone are moving. To use GPS without a data plan, you will need to purchase software, ie: Tom Tom 6. around $100 to $150. Hope this helps.

wchildress said:
You need to go to your ATT rep and tell them to turn off the pay per use data package. If not, they usually leave this on, you will be charged. Google Maps uses a data plan. It will not work without one as the maps are loaded as you and your phone are moving. To use GPS without a data plan, you will need to purchase software, ie: Tom Tom 6. around $100 to $150. Hope this helps.
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Cool. To clarify... as long as I am using WIFI (say, to get directions from a cafe with free WIFI with Google Maps) I will NOT be charged? Even though the HSDPA is enable but it NOT my source for data because WIFI is?
Also, there is no way to disable ATT data connection locally on the phone?

Ok, I think I figured it out. I used KaiserTweak to disable data, but I can still use wifi and the "My Location" in Google maps work.
Now when I am off WIFI and a program calls for data, the phone it tells me that I can't do it because of my settings, which is exatly what I wanted. The H icon remians, but it seems that it can't connect so the H is just telling me it's available, from what I understand. I hope so, cause I dont want it to connect and run up my bill!
Thanks KaiserTweak!

xconradx said:
Ok, I think I figured it out. I used KaiserTweak to disable data, but I can still use wifi and the "My Location" in Google maps work.
Now when I am off WIFI and a program calls for data, the phone it tells me that I can't do it because of my settings, which is exatly what I wanted. The H icon remians, but it seems that it can't connect so the H is just telling me it's available, from what I understand. I hope so, cause I dont want it to connect and run up my bill!
Thanks KaiserTweak!
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if you're worried about data bills running up the bill, call AT&T to block data service.
While you're on the phone with them, figure out how much data you used this month and get a MediaNet package to cover data use already used this month (they can backdate it) -- if you used over 4-5 MB you want at least the $5 medianet package, will save you money -- Please don't let your data usage for the first month go unchecked.... otherwise it could be a really big first bill shocker :-/

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if you're worried about data bills running up the bill, call AT&T to block data service.
While you're on the phone with them, figure out how much data you used this month and get a MediaNet package to cover data use already used this month (they can backdate it) -- if you used over 4-5 MB you want at least the $5 medianet package, will save you money -- Please don't let your data usage for the first month go unchecked.... otherwise it could be a really big first bill shocker :-/
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Ok, I am going to call them. Although I've only used WIFI so far and was accidentally connected to their service only once and didn't use any data-required programs.
We will see when I call them.

WTF... seriously, ATT call centers are closed?
I'm used to tmobiles 24/7 service centers.
Oh well, tomorrow I'll find out. I'm already expecting a big bill. It's my fist one, so prorated plus activation fees.

disable internet through cell towers

Is it possible for me to modify the phone so that it can only do internet access through the wifi and never through the cell towers / providers? I don't have a data plan and don't want it to get ran up with internet stuff when the wifi is out of range. If there is another thread for this could you point me to it? I couldn't find it doing a search. Thanks all.

Daniel herrero CommMgrPro is the answer

hum I thought that app only allowed you to completely disable a service. I'm just looking to block the cell phone from using the cell service provider for internet stuff but still use it for calls and text messages. is that possible with the software? if so I might be looking at the wrong software or wrong version.

There is a program called nodata do search for it, that's what I use.
TW,

I'm in the same boat (no data plan but have constant access to use hotspots). MoDaCo NoData is what I use (lets you select/toggle connects).
The cab can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345168&highlight=nodata

Why not just enter incorrect data connection settings? Then your phone can't access the data network, and no worries.

thanks guys, looks like just what i want. cell phone comes in tomorrow afternoon and i'll be spending all day playing with this. thanks again.

AT&T Wifi Question....

Ok, so I called the AT&T dorks at their "Business Center" and this question:
"Can I use the WiFi from my own personal wireless router on my phone? If I do, do I have to pay for it? I ask because there is no reason that I should be paying for internet 2x."
The response:
"If you access the internet on your phone regardless if it is WiFi or if it is over the AT&T network, you will be charged for it if you do not have a Data Plan."
Is this correct? I mean, if I turn off the "phone" on my phone, will it still charge me? Can anyone tell me if there is a way to get around this garbage? I would like to use the WiFi on my phone, but I don't really want to pay the 50 cents a Kb or whatever for it. Thanks for the help!

They do rip u off ALLL the time, that the same question I thought of when I was getting my tilt. but tell u what, start using UR phones wifi and if they charge u for data , U can sue them for extortion. Call them now and tell them to disable data connection and start using ur WIFI.
such a RIP OFF att is sometimes.

Yea, using Wifi has nothing to do with ATT. If you connect to your router, and you don't see the little E or G or 3G icons, then your NOT using any data from ATT. - they can see your data usage as it is sent from your router to your phone.
Your fine.

^ yep, you will NOT incur any fees/charges from AT&T for using wi-fi.

Oh boy if they had told me that I think I would have been crying with laughter.. Yeah man you can take your sim card out and wifi... Stupid at&t, you should call them back and say something about that.

AT&T, like any other large corporation, does have its share of idiots working there. You managed to talk to one...lol

Great
Thanks for the help, guys, I thought I was just going to get ripped off. Appreciate it greatly!

There is no way for them to tell if you're online on your phone if you're not connecting through MediaNet. Trust me, I bought a wireless router a couple years ago just so I could browse the net on my phone. They can't tell. Just go into Settings, Connections tab, Connections, Advanced tab, Select Networks, Adjust both dialog boxes to anything but MediaNet. That fixes that. I called them and asked the same question just like the next man a few years ago & got the same answer. It all depends on who you talk to. If you can get someone on the phone that has a similar device that you do, they'll know better. Trust me, been surfing wirelessly for years now with absolutely no fluctuation. If I'm not connecting through thier servers, then how would they know?

They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.

kolombok said:
They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.
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If that is the case and you are 100% sure that you werent streaming data via edge/3G, take it to court. They WILL loose. Period.
You do NOT have to have a Sim card in the phone to use the WiFi via a Wireless Router. Your device will get online and surf without it ( the sim ). If they charged you for using your OWN Wifi and you let them charge you, then the yolk is on you.
For all of the other posters, I will tell you a Simple way to make sure you dont dial out and accidentally catch onto a 3G / Edge network.
Just DELETE The damn Medianet / MyISP settings inside of network connections. Make sure it is 100% empty and void of any and all other connection types. Also, Make sure you take your phone OFF of THEIR proxy. Doing this will 100% prevent them from even knowing that you are using the phone at all with data.... as this is their only means of tracking the data usage on the phone.... ( Research the word Proxy and you will be all the more wiser )
Good luck and I hope I have helped some of you!
P.S.
My father was given my old hermes when I got the kaiser. He is too cheap to buy a data plan however has wifi in his house as well as his office ( Both of which I set up ) and has absolutely no problems with ATT. They have NO IDEA he is using the phone with his own Wifi.

kolombok said:
They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.
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There is absolutely no reason why they would have charged you if you were actually using just wi-fi. I have no data package and I only use wi-fi and I have never been charged for it. I havent even deleted the media-net connection or 3G connection...just be smart and pay attention to your title bar and it will tell you where your internets coming from...Hope this helps,
-John

Johnster988 said:
There is absolutely no reason why they would have charged you if you were actually using just wi-fi. I have no data package and I only use wi-fi and I have never been charged for it. I havent even deleted the media-net connection or 3G connection...just be smart and pay attention to your title bar and it will tell you where your internets coming from...Hope this helps,
-John
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Exactly. He more than likely was streaming via Edge and didnt know it.

[Q] How can I remove internet?

Hey guys the G1 data plan is getting too expensive for me and I'm planning to cancel soon. After I call in and cancel, how can I get my G1 to stop trying to access the internet unless its Wifi? Or once I cancel I won't have to worry about this?
I also heard a rumor about changing the APN settings so you can still have and use the internet? Is this true?

no real way to stop the phone from accessing the web since even in the background it sends packets of information. that's just how the phone works that's why you need the data plan for this phone.

i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?

tinyaznboi said:
i want to cancel the plan cause my sis is paying for mine and i dont want her paying 300$+ a year on me. but i dont want to be charged after i cancel the plan cause my g1 is still accessing the internet. Anyways to prevent it from accessing the internet?
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i just said no there is no way to to shut off the internet due to the fact that the phone requires you to have a google account to run it even if you flash a adp build and skip the logon proceedure the phone still access the web in the background without you knowledge you will still get billed for data charges at t mobs data rate which i think is 25 to 50 cents per meg used.

disable auto sync
if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)

bittermormon said:
if you disable auto sync you wont be accessing the internet much (assuming you don't have a ton of news widgets or something) then sync when you're connected to wifi (toggle settings works well for this)
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the problem is even with auto sync off the phone still polls the internet in the background for updates and other things you could remove every internet reliant app off your phone and it still polls the internet it just the way android is designed he want to stop all internet traffic which is impossible without hacking the rom beyond what we do or pulling out the sim. even google maps requires to poll the internet in the background without him even turning it on. it's just impossible to stop it completely.

Install APNdroid.

Easiest, simplest, most reliable way: Go into settings>wireless controls>Mobile Networks>Access Point names, then click on each one and hit menu then delete. You will also need to finangle with tmobile through their customer service number in order to get them to cancel 3g for your G1 (they have some kind of a policy that's supposed to mean that you have to have an unlimited data plan with the G1, but if you're patient with them they'll let you cancel and just have voice.)

Even easier way. Download Toggle Data from market. That's what I've been using since I cancelled my plan. No more data in the background, so my battery life is longer. Sometimes my phone goes like 2-3 days without charge. (Of course without using wifi)

apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.

Before I bricked my G1, (I don't have a data plan) I just went to the T-Mobile store and told the guy what I could do to stop the internet. He just changed some kind of port number and stopped the internet so I don't get charged.

rigamrts said:
apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.

ultra spikey said:
I use apndroid all the time(to save battery) and I can still send/receive calls with it.
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i wasn't talking about apndroid
i was talking about the guy who told him to delete all his apns

if i use apndroid will i still be able to use wifi? also im using a JACHero's rom and i noticed this in the settings...
Data Sync > Google > Background Date Usage [X]

APN Droid only kills the data.

rigamrts said:
apns not only control how the phone connects to the internet it also handles how it connects to make calls which is also how it connect to edge/3g. so see the conundrum we have here removing all apns also kills making calls.
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No, the APN controls cellular data (internet and MMS) only. Voice and SMS are "built in" so to speak - as long as the SIM matches yoru carrier's records, they will work.
Deleting the APNs (or using APNdroid) will block cellular data, leaving voice, SMS and WiFi internet unaffected.