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I just got the AT&T Tilt last Friday and have found myself pondering if it was worth the $300.00? I am thinking about taking it back because it seems to buggy. The phone its self is good looking but WM6 is just ugly compared to the iPhone interface. Anyways what do you think?
If aesthetics are you main concern, sure go with an iPhone. I like functionality over appearance, so I love my tilt!
yes it worth it, there is soooooo many apps that u can add, you can even upgrade from that cingular rom, i havent seen anyone with my tilt yet
Now come on... this is getting beyond a joke....You have an At&T Tilt, not a 'HTC TyTnII'
Please disclose your business affiliations as I am POSITIVE you are associated with apple as this is getting really stupid!
Who buys a very expensive phone without research then suddenly comes on this forum and denouces it within a few weeks without really trying it??
I am amazed!!!
OH, BTW I am not associated with HTC in any way and I find it a 100% piece of kit for what I wanted.
Amazing how many times you see "is it worth it to me" on forums. Who else but you could possibly answer if it's worth it to you???
hahahaha good point, Farsquidge......iphone=downgrade
First off I do not work for AT&T!!! I am a high school student that spent alot of time doing research on this phone! I love my "'HTC TyTnII" or whatever you want to call it! I only called it the Tilt for the simple fact that its branded name is the AT&T Tilt. This has to be the most unfriendly forum I have ever been on!
Dude you need to chill out. Swearing will get you banned. Everyone has their opinions about the iPhone and the Tilt. If you don't like someone else's opinions, just ignore them.
Personally I love the Tilt. The iPhone just doesn't do enough for me. Yes, it has a very nice interface but in the end, function wins over form.
If you want a pretty phone, go with the iPhone. If you want one that you can easily hack and tweak and load tons of 3rd party apps on, get the Tilt, but it is your choice to make, not ours to make for you.
In the end, you have to live with your choice.
P.S. I absolutely love my Tilt. It runs rings around the iPhone and I don't have to worry about Steve Jobs making my life difficult by not letting me do what I want with it.
Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.
dawa259 said:
Thank you. I think I will stay with my Tilt.
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Please don't give up.. I know some of us (me for one!) can be a little short tempered with what is around on this forum at the moment (flaming the device!) but all of us on here would like to try to help you futher your unit!
I am sorry if I seemed to shoot you down at the start...
Let's move on from that...
You say you have a 'Tilt', first thing we can recommend is re-flashing your ROM to a HTC TyTnII as the AT&T is a very basic firmware but when you do this you will lose your AT&T settings ( that is your 3G HSDPA connection). Then you will need the latest Network settings cab.. Then lets move on from that!!! OK?
There are so many different roms witch is the one I need to use?
True, there are many. I like the att rom. it's not that bad. i just removed all of the bloatware on it by doing a soft reset after the hard reset and that freeed like 20 mb or so. btw, if you want to run different roms on the tilt, you must cid unlcok your tilt.
We need a few bits of info to start you off.
First, tell us the device (I know it may seem strange but we need to know who you bought it from ie At&T or whatever as this forum is worldwide!!)
Then when you first turn on the phone (turn it off by holding the power button!) try to get the OS and Radio versions it has. You may need to do this a couple of times as it disappears quickly.
If I am not online you will find loads of guys willing to help....
You have come into a great community that will work with you so long as we get the correct info...
I bought it from an AT&T store. The numbers are R1.27.12.11 G22.445.88.07h D1.57.00.00.
I need the same help here, thanks in advance
I will follow this thread since I have the same phone, same radio and OS, I'm very interested in getting a better ROM to see what are the PROS.
OK guys, have a good read at the WiKi...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
Especially at the 'How to flash a new ROM' section. It will give you a good aspect of what you will be doing..
I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?
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I should have my tilt in a few days ( Amazon is the worst!). So I have been going around trying to gather as much information as possible on how customize my phone....Farsquidge, if I change my tilt interface to the TyTn11 interface I will lose my 3g? Also what is the benefit of changing? Also, I met alot of people who told me of good apps for my phone but is there a site where I can go where there is alot of apps with discriptions of what they do?
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If you re-flash your 'Tilt' (as it is an AT&T carrier device) you will lose your AT&T connection settings.
You will end up with a 'Carrier free' device with (or) without sim unlock depending on the way you do it. You will then have to re-install these with a 'Network profile app' from this forum. You will find plenty of apps (in the form of .cab files) on here to keep you happy for ages!
Be patient because there are tons of guys on this forum who have reflashed their devices that will add their input to help you. No one is online all the time but will get to you when they can.
Thanks. The more I look on different forums, the more confused I get. I'm not to phone/computer savy so I have to do some research on the simple words and terms used up here. Thanks alot.
It takes a long time to get up to speed, I'm not close yet. Personally, I don't have a problem with the ATT rom, I guess b/c I haven't seen a flashed one to compare it to. I've added a bunch of fun/useful programs from this site, FFF and IMSMS are great ones and all the home customizations are very cool. The other day, I was beaming IMSMS to a friend. A stranger passing says "oh are we showing off our phones?" and yanks out his iphone hoping we'd be impressed. I said, "nope just beaming a file, do you want it too? Oops, guess you can't do that" You could see him deflate immediately. The iphone is neat to look at, but is so lacking in features and customization it's sad.
Ho,
I am reading and getting more intrigued re flashing my TyTnII with a suitable ROM, after my holidy in July of couse as I really need it for that.
But can someone explain how a cooked ROM is able to out perform a stock one?
I dont get it? Take GPS for example. I read that it is the radio driver tha deals with this?
So how come a huge organisation like HTC puts a radio on the device and then someone off their own back is able to do something with the driver to make it more effiecient?
Or am I totally discombobulated and talking gaa gaa?
pachjo said:
Ho,
I am reading and getting more intrigued re flashing my TyTnII with a suitable ROM, after my holidy in July of couse as I really need it for that.
But can someone explain how a cooked ROM is able to out perform a stock one?
I dont get it? Take GPS for example. I read that it is the radio driver tha deals with this?
So how come a huge organisation like HTC puts a radio on the device and then someone off their own back is able to do something with the driver to make it more effiecient?
Or am I totally discombobulated and talking gaa gaa?
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Well for one the software on Cooked ROMs is different. All the "Bloatware" is removed and some useful applications are cooked in.
As for radios there are many variaties (some ported from other devices) that perform better on different networks and different locations.
The radios arn't made by chefs, there just taken from different ROM's. I.e. some from the newest ATT Tilt, some from the Vodafone 6.1 ROM etc. etc.
Ta
Dave
HTC is a company with primary objective: making money
if you were HTC's owner, and assuming you want more and more money, would you release a product that is so perfect that nobody will never consider buying your next updated newer products? on the other hand, to attract customers to your current product you need to have amazing specifications listed in your marketing brochures (i.e. hardware features) which unfortunately can ONLY work with better "ingridients" of ROM (did somebody mention cooked ROMs ?)
ps: btw how old are you?
KaiserVideoDriver said:
HTC is a company with primary objective: making money
if you were HTC's owner, and assuming you want more and more money, would you release a product that is so perfect that nobody will never consider buying your next updated newer products? on the other hand, to attract customers to your current product you need to have amazing specifications listed in your marketing brochures (i.e. hardware features) which unfortunately can ONLY work with better "ingridients" of ROM (did somebody mention cooked ROMs ?)
ps: btw how old are you?
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Further to this, HTC "forgot" the drivers for the hardware graphics acceleration for the MSM chipset. There not all that good.
Dave (BTW if you want my age you'll have to find it )
couple things you can do. You can flash a radio and you can flash a cooked rom. Different radios can give you different reception, and even faster GPS lock. You will have to experiment on which one works best, as long as the radio is compatible with the rom. A cooked rom has a lot of programs stripped out from OEM which makes the rom a lot faster than the OEM.
Excellent chaps, I am more inclined to have a go!
Mmm how old am I?
Well let's see beleive it or not I am a programmer for a large organisation but know jack about all this stuff in the same way I know jack about web creation or networks. But I do know about programming database applications and in my time have written a few nice graphics programs.
Now here's the thing....can you guess my age?
Have worked here for 25 years and worked my way up the ranks, been married for 22 years and have a 21 year old son.......
BTW why do you want to know how old I am?
pachjo said:
Ho,
I am reading and getting more intrigued re flashing my TyTnII with a suitable ROM, after my holidy in July of couse as I really need it for that.
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How do cooked roms differ?
Well, to be honest, it's more about "usability / feel / look " than any other thing.
Original/Official roms are generally having an appalling feel and look. For example, take my network provider (Orange in UK). I had read a lot about TyTN_II (aka Tilt/Kaiser...etc.) before getting my own from Orange. The moment I unpacked the device and turned it on , I was completely disappointed. Orange engineers spend a lot of time "customizing" (i.e. ruining) the feel and look of the device so that it looks more Orange-ish.
Their fossil tech people bag their regular salary every month and are light years behind the current time. They have no desire/motivation to be innovative (that's why they do not realse a software update even every two years).
I received my SPVM3100 (aka TyTN) from Orange almost 3 years ago. Two and a half years later, when I received TyTN_II , I was shocked to see that they had loaded exactly the same bloatware and disgusting theme they had used on older HTC devices years ago.
xda rom developers are up-to-date; they are brilliant individuals who develop software out of their personal passion and love of technology. They know what is exactly going on in PDA community at this very moment. They listen to users' experiences in real life every day and they strive to make things look better, more practical and faster.
With an original/official rom you're stuck with what the HTC (or Orange, AT&T, Vodafone ...) developers put in your device ages ago. With cooked roms (depending on your actual use of the device) you have a variety of options to choose from.
And most important of all, you'll join the forum, get addicted to it, learn loads of new tweaks and work-arounds, and will see surprising new customized software almost every week.
Believe me, stay tuned in here and soon you'll notice that not only you're holding a completely different device in your hand, but also YOU will be a completely new user of the device ; a user more in command of the HTC you're carrying around
Welcome
Kooooooooooooool
I bought my TyTnII for £434 unlocked.
It has an Ornage sim card plus all the stuff I have loaed myself:
SBP Pocket Plus, Weather, Time etc and loads of German learning programs, speech and the like.
When I first came to this site I was put off as I did not fully grasp what it was all about, but that's me all over....should read the manual first
I really like the idea of flashing and getting rid of the bloatware as you call it and see how my device works afterwards.
But as I paid £434 for it if I brick it my wife will use said brick to remove my ability to father any heirs!!!!!
Yoinks!
pachjo said:
Kooooooooooooool
I bought my TyTnII for £434 unlocked.
It has an Ornage sim card plus all the stuff I have loaed myself:
SBP Pocket Plus, Weather, Time etc and loads of German learning programs, speech and the like.
When I first came to this site I was put off as I did not fully grasp what it was all about, but that's me all over....should read the manual first
I really like the idea of flashing and getting rid of the bloatware as you call it and see how my device works afterwards.
But as I paid £434 for it if I brick it my wife will use said brick to remove my ability to father any heirs!!!!!
Yoinks!
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As I have said to many new users, bricking only happens if you fail to read and follow instructions. Just read and take you time.
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Dave
Well, if you do have an issue, "Brick", there are a few people around that can revive you. If ever in need search around, there's a guy that has revived a plethora of dead kaisers, but I can't remember his name at the moment.
Anyway, as this really is not development related, I'm gonna move it to the general section.
Welcome to XDA.
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If ever in need search around, there's a guy that has revived a plethora of dead kaisers, but I can't remember his name at the moment.
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I think I know that guy aswell
Dave
Hi y'all,
I decided to get a Diamond from Orange on a contract, it will be here Tuesday with any luck . However, I read some very positive reviews and some that made the Diamond sound awful.
The main issues that people had were battery time and a need to 'tweak' it, the problem is me and technology have a love-hate relationship (I love it, Technology hates me). could anybody please recommend me some of these ROMs and other modifications i can download,
Thanks in advance,
Jason.
I'd say the forum search will lead you to all kinds of modifications possible. Just spend some time with your 'new technology', i'm sure it'll start loving you as you do ;-)
Other than that, i recommend the Aztor ROM's (though its the only one i've tried so far, have absolutely no needs changing it) very 'stock-ish', great performance. And i think "touchlockpro" is absoluty neccessary for actually using this device as a phone (haha).
Have fun not-bricking your diamond ;-)
Thanks blake_spector, how easy is t to brick the Diamond? and can it be fixed after it is bricked, sorry for the amount of questions i am asking.
well bricking it is very easy i guess.
just be carefull with the flashing, i don't know how much expierience you have with that kind of things.. and read the instructions multiple times before starting.
i'm also more of an end-user than developer, i got it sorted out - phone running perfectly. so don't worry, just be careful.
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Thanks blake_spector, how easy is t to brick the Diamond? and can it be fixed after it is bricked, sorry for the amount of questions i am asking.
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Reading these forums the answer could be "very easy", although it is only a small minority that do. Recovery depends upon why it was bricked - there are certainly some requests for help with respect to that in this forum that appear to be unanswered. But remember this is a large forum covering people living all over the world.
Being in the UK like me we have lots of consumer protection laws, but the problem is if you start playing with the ROMs then most of them and the warranties start getting very difficult to enforce from a practical point of view.
With regards to ROMs try the new Orange one (if it is not already on your phone) that can be downloaded from their website. I found it improved speed and battery life quite a bit and it has no visible Orange tweaks. And applying it it won't affect your warranty.
Working on the principle that it is a very expensive toy to break I have played safe and only downloaded one or two apps (not ROMs) from here, and they have worked fine. I have also SIM unlocked by buying an unlock code from http://www.htccode.com/ rather than flashing a new ROM, which is what is involved in many of the unlocking procedures on this site. I am not suggesting they are dangerous, just that I would rather play safe and keep my warranty for the extra £10 or so it cost me.
Only if you regularly flash different ROMs to your phone do you run a risk of bricking it. Also with some of the custom-made bootloaders e.g. hardSPL installed first, your chances of bricking decline even more. I'm still on my stock ROM and imho I don't see a reason to change.
As for installing programs (from .cab files), I really can't see any reason to be wary. I serisouly doubt wether 3rd party app. can ruin your device. But even if this does occur, all it would take is a hard-reset to restore your device to working (brand-new, in fact) condition. Third-party applications are THE reason for switching to the WM platform so don't be afraid to download and go crazy.
As to your question re. tweaking apps, try Schap's Advanced Configuration tool.
Hi all, I've been reading through this forum for the past week now, partially because of all the bad reviews for the Tilt, and partially because I like my devices to work better than they "should".
I've reached a problem though... During my readings, I began to get confused with why this ROM or that ROM was flashed on, and which version of WinCE was on at the time the ROM was flashed. As my brand new-still in the box Tilt (With Win6.1) will be here this Thursday, I find myself wondering "So what do I do to make my phone better?"
This is my first smart phone I've ever had, and the main reason I purchased it is so I can write while in transit to work or such, occasionally watch a movie or listen to some music, oh, and to use the internet. Unfortunately, this also means I seem to have missed the class on safely flashing ROMs, if I need to sit and write down phone information that may not be stored on the SIM, and even the most basic of all, "Do I need to do this to make it run smoothly?" I mean, most of the problems I seem to see deal with Win 5.x, or 6.0.
I reckon the best way to phrase it is, "While I would like to make it better, I want to know if (1) it's worth taking the time to do, and (2) what kind of boost are we looking at? 10%? 50? 100%?"
Any opinions, help, advice, directions or links, how-to's or whatever would greatly be appreciated.
~T.Miller
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Hi all, I've been reading through this forum for the past week now, partially because of all the bad reviews for the Tilt, and partially because I like my devices to work better than they "should".
I've reached a problem though... During my readings, I began to get confused with why this ROM or that ROM was flashed on, and which version of WinCE was on at the time the ROM was flashed. As my brand new-still in the box Tilt (With Win6.1) will be here this Thursday, I find myself wondering "So what do I do to make my phone better?"
This is my first smart phone I've ever had, and the main reason I purchased it is so I can write while in transit to work or such, occasionally watch a movie or listen to some music, oh, and to use the internet. Unfortunately, this also means I seem to have missed the class on safely flashing ROMs, if I need to sit and write down phone information that may not be stored on the SIM, and even the most basic of all, "Do I need to do this to make it run smoothly?" I mean, most of the problems I seem to see deal with Win 5.x, or 6.0.
I reckon the best way to phrase it is, "While I would like to make it better, I want to know if (1) it's worth taking the time to do, and (2) what kind of boost are we looking at? 10%? 50? 100%?"
Any opinions, help, advice, directions or links, how-to's or whatever would greatly be appreciated.
~T.Miller
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First Trey, let me say, welcome to XDA! The biggest improvment you can do to your Tilt is going to be a ROM upgrade! The ROM is the OS of your phone and as you are getting a newer tilt you will most likely have Windows Mobile 6.1 on it but it will include a quote\unquote "custom ROM" from at&t which will be chock full of alot of at&t stuff(advertising in the way of logos and animation) that will slow your phone down, as well as a CID (security lock) to keep you for installing most of the good free apps that are available for the tilt! You will want to spend alot of time reading here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835 and getting to know your device and what some of the terms used here are! I am usualy on the forum quite a bit and if you have questions feel free to PM me and ask away! The key is to read and learn, I will be happy to help if you need it!
Thanks for that! Everything makes more sense now that I've got that AT&T OS piece understood. Looks like I've got more reading to do. ^_^
Hi
a friend recommended I look at this site. But to be honest, I am not too up with how these ROMs work!
All I want is some updates for my X1 and some applications that are more user friendly, particularly SMS, and basically to make my phone more fun to use.
If anyone can point me to one download that will be effective I would be most grateful, as I'm not technically minded at all!
Thanks
Steve
ROMs are a complete replacement of the operating system on your device, and necessarily involves a complete reset of your data. Not for the faint of heart!
If you're just after apps, check out this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=498
Good luck! I'm sure you'll find some great stuff to transform your X1. You certainly want to get the SPB mobile shell from the SE Korea site, and read the tips to get it working (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541280).
You're in the right place!
All I can tell you is you're in the right place... I was just in your shoes just a few months ago..
1st) I just wanted more panels http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498934
Then I wanted more and wanted to experience the new look and feel of windows mobile 6.5. So I realized I had to back up my data first and any third party apps I had on my device -
2nd) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299705
3rd) I had to hard-spl because it seems to be mandatory prior to using one of the custom roms (read carefully, take your time)-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431218
4th) I tried a lot of the custom roms available and believe me there's about 4 to 6 that I toggle between everytime they release because they introduce some of the new apps , features,etc.. One I'm using now is here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542664
Read up as much as you can about ROM's and the like, I know you don't want to get too 'into' all this stuff - but really custom ROMs make the x1 much, much easier and nicer to use. You don't have to be all that tech savy either.
Also, welcome to XDA....its a ton of info, on here. but dont worry you will get the hang of it, and ask as many questions as you need to..the folks on here are very helpful, but with so many request, they get bogged down a bit
so research first, then ask questions, then research some more while you wait for an answer...
welcome to xda!
Here's just a few things to inform you about to break you in a bit to the modding for your x1.
1.This is the topic you read if you ever wanted to mod your ROM or restore to your original ROM
2. here's a topic that has some good applications to help your phone run more smoothly and also more fun. highly recommand xperiatweak2( very very useful program to help get rid of some annoying things in the x1. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441439
3. Be nice to your battery and also about the number of times you do softresets (you can read up on what soft and hard resets are on the forum), because it could cause your phone to stop working. which something I experienced painful for myself!!! now I have to send my phone back to sony ericsson to get my phone fixed and also get a new battery beacuse it died on me.
4. In reply to carlonalls about hardspl on x1. it is mandatory in order to any type of ROM modification or repairs to be done
5. save all your important things in your memory card before you do any type of modifications to your phone.
6. I highly recommand you to get google maps if you want a free gps map to use when your out (although not totally safe to use unless you have a x1 car holder because it can get distracting). if you'd be willing to pay the extra money, then get either TOMTOM or Garmin Mobile XT (which both are quite good).
So, I hope you have a good time with your x1 and also on this forum. This forum do have a lot of nice people who are quite encouraging and willing to help. I for one have experience the goodness of certain members that are here.