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I have been reading through alot of posts here over the last couple weeks.
There seems to be a lot of bickering, pointless debate, insults and flaming going on here. (I know am probably starting more with this post, but that is why I chose the off-topic forum) I know you get it on all internet forums, but this one seems to be worse than most.
I actually had someone pm me on something recently, I believe, because he was too afraid to make a post asking for help. I dont blame him. If someone here asks a question that may or may not have been asked months ago (therefore buried by 10 pages of more current posts) he gets flamed. I also notice he asks another newbie like me, instead of someone with a lot of posts, because they seem to be the most touchy.
And I know, that is why there is a search. But you know, search tools on forums like this are a joke. You are going to get a return of 1000's of posts, 99% of which have nothing to do with what you are looking for. And for me at least, half the time when I search, and I am rewarded with a blank page (in both mozilla and IE).
Just wanted report on what I see here. Maybe others see it differently.
Jimmy - not to validate your argument, but I disagree with you!
Seriously, I respond to so many posts, probably even unnecessarily so sometimes, just because I like the community. The vast majority of us are here because we enjoy the community and are like-minded gadget freaks.
You do get some flaming, some *****ing, some idiots, some spam, some divas. But the vast majority, in my experience, are very nice, helpful and supportive of newbies. We were all one once, and I hope that I'd rather say nothing then something unhelpful.
Anyone can PM or email me any time. I can't respond immediately, but I will try to respond.
The usual "use the search, Luke", response is normally only fired out when you've got a very new member blurting out things like "How do I switch the phone off?". My reasoning there is, teach a man to fish, he'll help himself a lot more then just filling his gullet with answers. But, for valid, non knee jerk questions, most people will try to help.
I think it's better no one answers if they don't know, and if they don't, feel free to bump. But don't bump twice in 5 mins - "COME ON, DOESN'T ANYBODY
KNOW HOW TO SORT MY CONTACTS BY FIRST NAME??!?!?!??!" is not a way to make friends with me.
Anyway, I could rant all day, but I think the board generally speaks for itself. Most are helpful, most are nice, most are here because we want to be here.
You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
I know it is not everyone, my subject should not have been why are people so temperamental, it should have been why are SOME people so temperamental.
I agree with you, if it is a repetive question, just dont answer. I just think it is bad when people are pm'ing rather than posting because they are afraid.
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You get some bad posts, but seriously, in my year on the board, I've only had two encounters that caused me to contemplate leaving...
V
PS this was an interesting thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329718#329718
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I gotta' agree with you on that thread, vijay. Those pics (the original ones) NEVER should have been posted. They provoked a LOT of ire from users and flaming, too. There's no room for politics on this forum. It's not here for that purpose and I felt like that was where that thread was heading. Even the world news networks don't show images THAT graphic!! Thanks for deleting them and putting that thread back "on course".
whos temperamental, you [email protected]@rd!
STFU! you think your so [email protected] smart, coming here and reading entries and you probably dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground when it comes to pdas....
whos says people here are temperamental?
dont know your @ss froma hole in the ground
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Gosh, in countries where you actually poo straight into a hole in the ground, this might cause some rather embarrassing situations!
V
maybe i hang out in the wrong forums or my level of what is hostile is wayy different from yours
but this is one of the most friendly forums i come in
or have ever come in (and thats a great deal)
i dont see telling people to use search and the likes to be hostile
personal attacks is hostile
Dont know what the problem is, sure once in a while people get pointed to search, wiki or spend some time reading. And yes once in awhile there are no flowers in that reply.
Sure even I have had the balls to move a post out of news and tell the guy to post in the correct, forum, read wiki and use search. It pisses of our other users who think news is news and not news being somebody asking how do I upgrade my device.
I have seen a lot of threads, a few things I did not like to see, a few I have killed. I have seen nice, not so nice and far form nice askers and also answerres.
In general you get a lot more help here than on other places (yes I have had to look other places).
But hell its a free word, if anybody thinks this site is not good to or for them, well its a click of the mouse to solve that problem.
Mean while will I point a user to the answer of his question which in fact is the same question in 4 different sections. Hum let me think about that one.
Personally I find most people on the forum very friendly. You always get a few who are a bit temperamental but that is life. But on the whole this would have to be the most helpful and friendly forum around.
I will have to agree and disagree with this.. i havent been a member that long and i did take the smart route, i actually read this board over and from top to bottom for months before making a single post, what stopped me from making a post right away was most senior people's complaints about newbs not searching, etc.. so i did just that searched and read... and here i am 3 months later of my first post and have made well over 500 now.. (i have point to all of this somewhere here ) This site can be a little confusing to newbs, but most of the confusion comes from other newbs making the same posts over and over again, you might search for one thing and come up with 50 posts of the same problem, however 49 of them are flames telling them to search to find the answer... and this is where it also gets frustrating for the senior people, people who have already answered this once before causing the temperamental flames.. Now i do try to answer what i can, we were all newbs once and i still consider myself one and i answer many pm's of people who are afraid to be flamed (which if they would have searched they would have found the answer) but im also not their personal wiki... ok, im done, oh yeah, vote for me for president
I agree with jimmy hauser
I came here from treocentral, which was much more supportive on average. Sure, there are some good-spirited and helpful people here, but it is overall much more antagonistic than treocentral.
As a practical matter, the search engine isn't very good and the recent upgrade of the forum didn't make it easier. It took me a few weeks to think of googling with the site:xda-developers.com, identifying the appropriate thread and then searching for that specific threads. Otherwise, one gets too much. Yes, we all find it annoying when someone starts a new thread that has already been answered fifty times, but on the other hand, there are pretty many 20+ page threads. It might be helpful to suggest to someone what they should have searched for, and try the search to see if it works. Just today I was trying to find the registry tweak that would eliminate the roaming indicator, but I couldn't remember what the thing did, so it took forever to find the registry tweak, and this for something I knew I had read on the board at some point in the past.
Here is what I think is actually better than most sites: the wiki. The wikis are uniformly high quality and some people have written fabulous how-tos.
My pet theory is that it is windows at fault. Things like activesync being so hilariously dysfunctional and the X meaning minimize on the PPC cause tempers to rise just a little too easily. Palm users are happier.
On the other hand, without XDA-developers, my MDA would have been approximately useless. The list of problems that were answered, either directly or indirectly, here is huge. Everything from ROM upgrades to TodayAgenda to 2.47 radio rom to wifi settings to wm5newmenu, I got them here. It is a wonderful resource.
I came here from esato, former sony ericsson user ditched it with the p990
if you really want to get flamed say I didn't like the p990 on esato or god forbid the tytn is better than it (I had both got rid of the p990) basically compare anything or say anything is better than a S.E. phone and you'll get your diehard fanboys by the dozens.
anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
as for asking I try to reply to anyone who asks something I know and if anybody needs anything please feel free to pm me I will answer when I can, although posting a forum gives more views as well as future reference for future noobs
I think this site provides so much useful information and it has kept many devices going when they would have gone in the bin. It has allowed a lot of older devices to still have the current operating system. I think half the time people have got home from work and are on a short fuse any way and any little thing pushes them over the edge and that is what causes the bickering. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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anyways some people get flamed here beacuse they are total noobs who don't bother to read anything, I agree they shouldn't get flamed that bad but they should do a little reading, there is a wealth of information in these forums,
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I'm not sure if I'm the "temperamental" one here, but yes, that is a very annoying thing. They act as if the members here are google, and they just type in a search sentence "Nood here, please give me a clear, step-by-step, easy to flash my ROM", click a button, and you get the answer. Not to mentioned the lack of information they provide, which can be potentially harmful to them consider they don't even know which ROM to get. And when things go wrong, they will post a new thread with the title "Pleeeeaazzz help".
The another annoying thing is the lack of information. Some members will post problems with so little information that they delay the solution to their very own questions, and annoying for the helpers. Eg. "I downloaded the flash software and ROM, but now the phone won't start, please help". Then, you try to be helpful and suggest "Why don't you try program X?". Later, you will get the answer "Oh, I've already tried that, won't work. Any other suggestion?" .. I will be like.. why don't you said so in your first post? ggrrrr..
Anyway, now I've developed an habbit of ignoring such posts. Those (a) Step by step guide for total nood (b) Thread with Pleeazzz help title (c) Post with lack of information. This will make me.. less "temperamental", I guess.
Anyway, as for the Wiki, I still thinks there are not enough information in the Wiki, such that it makes members difficult to point noobs to simple/common tasks. And, it also makes the non-noobs (the oldies ) going around the search function to answer something that they've forgot. So, for those who are happy to help others, please contribute yourself to the Wiki. Personally, I think it is much more influential to get one thing onto the Wiki than answering 10 PMs. And you get to point them to the Wiki if the same problem surfaced.
I'm temperamental beware
Well I remember when I got my MDAIII back over a year ago and came across this site thanks to google. So like a noob that I was and in many areas still our I posted one of those "how do I upgrade my german MDAIII to English.
Well I can tell you what has changed over the last year. Back then I got NO ANSWER, no falming, no use search, no use wiki.
So over time this site has changed and now at least you can get a reply even if this is thought by many as beeing flamed at.
Over time I learnt 2 things, one to read and one to use search. The reading I have kept the Search well that is a Pain in the ass. In the blue angel section (upgrade) do a search for "new rom" and you get Zero, its a bug we are working on it but it still sucks. Now in the same BA Upgrade section do a search for Threads by "MDAIIIUser". Here you get "New Rom" "new rom:" "New rom!" and the like.
Myself I have stoped the use search as I cant use it myself in the form that I want. Sad but true.
So what is the solutiom, for me it was then wiki, sure I had to post on how to edit it but with time I could even work it out. So from there I found out how to upgrade and posted it on wiki, found roms and posted them, found an unlocker, cabs and a bunch of stuff that I thought was cool of intrest and useful. So I posted it in wiki, edited it when new roms came out, ect bla bal.
Well Time moved on and I got bored after the 3 WM5 rom and well nothing else happens in the BA section the device is dead only sold by a few and thus.... I left it.
Now there is lots of grest info here, lots of great people that have found out lots of cool tricks. Its what makes this site, not the how do I upgrade or should I perform a restore after a rom upgrade. However noobs, newbies what ever we might like to discredit them as have a right to be here, I riight to the information and a right to some constructive help.
What we should all do is keep wiki upto date which is a lot easiser for a new member as he is driven by the quest of knowlege than an old member that does nto realy care in which direction his rom goes to as there is nothing new.
So I am not going to search the wiki pages for who finds this sites attitude bad but himslef has failed to update wiki, nor try to work out which users are helpful or flame.
All I am trying to say and now we get to the short version, is be nice, remember that you to were lost on this site and Please update wiki.
Oh yes, you will find a posts from me that just read "moved to XX (BA, Universal, hermes) but you will also see my signature which should point some people in the correct direction. Could I have answered all of there questions, yes sometims, sometimes not. So why don't I? well that due to the fact that some of us try to keep the site clean.
personally i feel the same way as the orginal poster...but i do see where some of yall are coming from with n00bs askin the same ? thats been answered before. i currently run a forum and have that problem sometimes. im no complete n00b just a novice with all this hackin/developin and i noticed i postd some ?s months ago with no responses at all and yes i searched for the answer and vj u had even posted in that thread but i never got a response. i didnt get mad....i pmd someone who helped me out the best he could since he was as new as me. i have found pm to be the best method of recieving help on this board....even tho at times "anal retentive" members dont even respond to say anything....no "f off" no "yea sure do this..." no "try looking here" just no response at all leaving n00bs to think i better not post if i dont know fully what im talking about.....i personally think the community would be better if everyone treated everyone as they would like to have been treated wheb they were n00bs. we all were at one point and time......shezzzzz......dont u guys remember? well all this is imho.
~mike
this does not apply to newbie's only.
i have asked about five times for help in here, responses 2
so i have been forced to read ,sometimes i find the answer some times
not.
pm several user for help. reply; 1
i receive several pms asking for help every week, i try to help ,but some people never give up. suddenly u become their personal google.
i got a guy now asking to write a a full tutorial in how to cook a rom. yea right!!
like an don’t have anything to do.
so I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
faria
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I email him and said I was very busy at the moment, I would try to help when I had time.
following day got word from him. have you got time yet? !!!! now I get an email from him everyday. he says hi is in a hurry!!!!
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rofl
here is a good example of why people get temperamental
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1038017&posted=1#post1038017
I have lurked here a bit, originally joining a while ago to see what was possible with my XDA, but got rid of it before becoming very active. Now I am back with a WING and prayer, and technicaly still qualify as a NOOB.....
Here are my thoughts on the NOOB issue.
1. This is like a big party that we NOOBS just crashed. We show up and complain about the music, or the booze, when in truth we ought to be damn glad we are at the party at all.
2. There is an answer to almost every question buried somewhere in these forums, and if you cannot or will not search for it, then you are in the wrong place. This includes other phone model forums by the way. Don't search the Herald forum only ad then give up if there is no answer. Dig into other HTC forums and you will be surprised how many of the issues you have are already covered there.
3. This may be a personal belief, but it really pisses me off to see people encounter 1 bug and post that the ROM sucks and they are reverting. I view our collective roles as beta testers. Don't stop at 1 bug- actively seek out as many as you can so the next ROM is that much closer to perfect. I have a major issue with the ROM I am using now, but I reflash it and dig deeper anyway.
4. You will and should get flamed (or at least warmed up) for posting questions that have been answered 100,000 times before including in the post right above yours. The Chefs in the forum spend hours or even days and months cooking up these ROMS for our benefit. They are not paid to do this, though they should be (and Ihave sent donations to several). The point is, we can all spend 30 minutes going through the forum reading it all to see if the issue we have uncovered is already discussed before posting a question.
5. If you want the most out of this site, spend some effort, not only searching, but documenting. Posting you have a crash is not helpful unless you can add information like what other programs you installed (card or device), what you did to the create the issue, and how to recreate it. Then the ROM Chefs can more quicly cook up solutions.
6. Credit those who help or provide. It is human nature to appreciate being thanked or recognized- see my signature? Without those three names my Wing would be chained to the T-Mobile default ROM. Oh yeah, while on the subject- DO NOT SELL anything from this site.
Just my 2 cents....
Yes you are right.
We all started as noobs and now we yell at noobs.
BUT MAYBE the noobs from today are a little different to noobs in earlier day??????
I READ 1 year without any posting NOT EVEN when i got something to work. BECAUSE it didn´t matter if I posted. Because it was useless at all.
There are so many people out there working really hard - they don´t need another "damn i want it in red not green...."
There was a time when everyone believed each other... When the cook stated "I will find a solution" then everyone waited for this. and didn´t mentioned it again and again...
BTW I will close the thread. WE don´t need another OFF topic "How2discuss"
I wrote an announcement in HOW2.... and maybe we can start working on devices again and not on generel human beeing problems. The world is getting worse...
BUT your statement should be read by everyone!
IT is good and it is quite good to see people thinking the same....
Thanks
Hey sorry guys but i just got my att tilt and im reading through all these threads and im just wondering what is the difference between a hard reset and a soft reset??? please let me know!
Maybe if we stop replying to threads like this people will stop making new threads like this.
DO NOT POST THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!
thats messed up man....sorry we cant all be [email protected]@holes likes you are!!!
I think his point is that you should read through the wiki, sticky posts, and also search some more.
I would use the search feature . even on google. I know the difference between the 2 but i dont know how to do a hard reset on my phone. Guess im a noob too o well. l8r.
Ok surely you must be joking.
soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
Its the principle of it. Promotes Laziness. Like saying its better to ask by starting a new thread than search.
i would like to thank you for that....everyone else wasted more time writing crap then just tryin to help!
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soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
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I think he was faster reading this in the wiki than posting his question here and wait for an awnser. It just that jong people now a days are to lazy to look for the information. Instead they rather wait longer and get the awnser carried to them. Just reading the wiki was all there was to it.
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soft reset- restart the device
hard reset- restore back to factory
gee that wasnt to hard. I probably saved the guy a few minutes of looking at the cost of 10 seconds of my time.
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You are just as much part of the problem as the OP who was too lazy to do it for himself.
Sure, it's an easy question ** BRAVO FOR YOU ** but when HE does it, the next guy does it, etc, etc, etc..... Then you have 500,000 stupid new threads that there is a WIKI and 1,000 STICKIES for these babies to read and get ALL the help they need. Nevermind the fact if he opened his owners book the answer is right there, too!
im a part of the problem.
I kindof thought that me helping others will provide a better experience to the OP, than say you telling them to search/read stickies.
didnt know xda-dev had storage/server issues , im sure the weight of this thread will contribute to the 500,000 others.
but if you dont want to see these posts you can always request a mod to add a feature to filter posts by join date or post count in preferences.
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It would be good if a Moderator could just Delete this thread. He got his answer and now the thread is pointless and of no use. Best place for this one is in the trash.
I believe in searching. But just in fairness to the OP I just tried several searches and I got loads of results on soft and hard resets but not one of them defined the difference between the two. OK, I realise the answer is probably in the wiki but still.
I would say we take a hard line approach with those who should know better. So maybe before being too hard on a guy we should look to see how many posts he has made. If it's a very few then point him in the right direction. If it's more than 20 then be more tough. JJ
You guys are hilarious, the idea that by responding to this thread it'll somehow promote other threads that would've been answered via the wiki or searching is baseless.
1) If he did not search for the answer to his question do you think he would search through "types of threads" and find out that "people answer stupid questions"...In fact if he did search the forum he'd find out that people in fact DON'T answer threads with questions and that in half the threads people tell other people to search the forum or look at the wiki.
So if he wouldnt search for his answer he would never search to find out proper rules on this site and ansewring the question doesnt further his "kind".
Just admit it, people like being assholes on forums, especially ones where people get to know each other its sort of like a clique. You're the people sitting in the school halls when a new kid shows up and doesnt know where room C101 is and instead of saying "go up stairs take a left" you start going off about how people should use the directory and map found downstairs. :: shrug ::
EK...I applaud you for helping that guy out. I have looked at the wiki for multiple phones/ppc and alot of times hitting a link to an answer causes more questions than answers. Again like I said in another post....this is why I try not to participate in the forums except to say thank you to those that do something positive for the COMMUNITY!
http://www.google.com/search?q=soft+hard+reset+windows+mobile&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Yes, so hard.
Phase...thanks for proving my point!
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fo·rum –noun,
i) a public facility to meet for open discussion
ii) public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
ob·nox·ious –adjective
i) annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself: an obnoxious little brat.
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pogit said:
fo·rum –noun,
i) a public facility to meet for open discussion
ii) public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
ob·nox·ious –adjective
i) annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself: an obnoxious little brat.
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Very nice!
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
This has been discussed already. Please use the Search link up at the top right.
lol, and this is supposed to be a polite post? Come on, lighten up, if the same questions get asked for a thousand times, then i can imagine people sometimes like to point out the search feature of the site
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i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.
If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
Please use the search function.
Its there for your service!
We are all here for each others service.
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If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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I'm sure you won't. Your thread will be most welcome.
However, I strongly feel that anybody should try and do some simple research before asking for help. I don't believe it's very polite (nor educational, for that matter) to simply write a post that essentially says: my time is too important to waste on trivial things like trying to find information, but since your time has no value to me, why don't you do that?
I often tried to find things when answering to others if the issue was not described in the forum. If, on the contrary, it has been discussed (and in many cases more than once), I believe that the Search button should be used.
It would be rude not to...
Actually I think it is pretty sad that most people have nothing better to do than to flame people in forums. If you see a question that is addressed somewhere else then either point the person in that direction or just don't answer. I have to agree that sometimes it is not that the person is using the search link but perhaps they are not searching correctly. This is a professional forum and we do not need unprofessional people in it so please play nice everyone.
A lot of the questions on here remind me of the 300ZX forum I used to go on... "I want to do a Twin Turbo swap, what do I need?" How many times do you think that question was answered? How many stickies do you think there were about that same question? Here's what the veterans are trying to make you do... Come into the forum, search for your answer first, then after you don't find it, ask. It prevents the forum from being cluttered and lets the people who really DO have unanswered questions to get answers more quickly. I'm not going to be mean or disrespectful about it, but please, if for nothing else, for the efficiency of helping each other, try to find the answer on your own before you ask a question.
It wouldn't be so bad if the Diamond forums were old with 100s of threads and the question being asked was last answered weeks ago. But the Diamond forums are relatively new and most of the questions being asked have already been asked on the current page or the page 2. You don't even need to use search to find the answer.
I've only been flashing for less than 2 weeks and so far have managed to find all the tools and guides I need by reading the posts on pages 1 and 2. I didn't need to go any deeper or use search.
So if anyone asks a question which has already been answered dozens of times then you should expect a few people to get annoyed. Afterall it takes less effort to read then for someone to type out an explanation again an again.
Also, a lot of questions are too vague, e.g. I can't flash the hardspl. Maybe if you spent a bit more effort saying what you have tried and exactly where the problem is then you might get more help.
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If you can help someone then help them, if you can't then don't. If you just don't want to help then you are just a user. The most repeated thing I have read in these forums is "use the search" if that is the only comment you can make then get lost! It is true in here that some who think they know something are just abrupt and rude to people who they think know less than themselves. Wisdom expresses itself in many ways, the least of which is "use the search".
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Agree 100%. Yeah I get a bit miffed reading the same basic questions, but then when you do use the search engine, it brings back 100's of threads at times, which a new comer to the ppc world might not fully understand.
I had my first ppc phone back with the Blue Angel, and so many guys have helped me along the way since then. It's only the minority who say "Use the search!!!". But having said that, I think this is the least friendly/most abusive ppc forum. I get the general feeling that a few guys in here are above their stations...
Just my 2 pence worth. Not "cents" as I'm British. If you don't know where Britain is, or its monetary system, then use the f**king sear......
snigfargle said:
Well said! I must say, as a new user (but a seasoned veteran of similar dev sites), I have been dismayed at how simple questions here from noobs like me, are frequently greeted with thinly veiled contempt and disgust.
I just made a prototype app for the Diamond that uses the G sensor, and would like to get some feedback from folks, but I'm reluctant to start a new thread on the topic in case I unintentionally incur the wrath of the the veterans here!
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Bro:
If you offer us any kind of app with those characteristics you will never incur in the wrath of the the veterans here!
1. new posts that contains or starts with:crappy, wtf (this is real special to me), what to buy, battery life, gps, what programs, who is better, iPhone, how to? (the answer in the manual), polls-bring the killer instinct in me.
2, new posts that contains or starts with:i can not, help, my diamond.., how to ?, where to find, i searched but...., confused-bring the mother Theresa buried deep in me.
3. new posts that contains or starts with:i developed, solved, news, new program, new game, how to (without question mark)-bring up the happy me together with "lets donate", let's be encouraging answer post.
this is not a graffiti wall. this is a place with rules (when you registered you accepted the rules) and don't start useless threads/posts is one of them.
respect the rules and by doing so you respect the place and it's inhabitants.
giving respect will bring you back respect.
interesting threads are pushed back in 2-nd and 3-thrd page by threads started just to chat. the forum is full with such posts started usually by a noobie that is soon joined but 5-8 other noobies that are happily chating about something that's only by far related with diamond. each posts, each answer is bumping the thread up.
since my diamond is today how i wished to be and i don't have to search (ooops, sorry for using dirty words) for answers or tweaks i found great pleasure in helping ppl that need help but only ppl that at least tried to solve, to search and help themselves first.
i dont know why people have to be so rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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first, watch yr language please!
second, i took the liberty to edit yr post. looks better and the message remain the same.
third, sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between all the posts (too many useless, but who is to blame?). when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems. search is good for you and yr diamond.
keep the forum clean ppl!
KukurikU said:
... sending you to search is help because it means that the solution of yr problem is here somewhere buried between useless posts. when looking for it you'll usually read posts that you''l remember later when trying to solve other problems.
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Very good points there KukurikU.
If the Diamond forum wasn't so full of posts which should be in the General forum then it would be easier to find Diamond specific answers.
And, like you said, while searching for an answer to a problem I've read other posts along the way which taught me things I never knew.
trichau81 said:
i dont know why people have to be so f**** rude in here. "use the damn search and etc" all we asking for is for f**** help, i know we have to use the "SEARCH" but damn f***! if you don't feel like helping someone, just shut the f*** up and dont say anything or be rude about it.
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There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.
marco899 said:
There is one thing i don't understand. This is you're first post so no one has send you to the search function. Maybe you have read a question from a poster with a certain history? Otherwise i don't get i why you register yourself to a forum and start a bad topic.
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Hahahaha that's something I didn't notice... He's looking at other users being told to use search and sticking up for them? Lame.
Why did this discussion get started in the Diamond Forum in the first place. This is a general discussion and not related to the Diamond specifically and is yet itself another example of how specific forums get cluttered and why it can get difficult to find what you are looking for in a specific forum.
pedmond said:
No my friend, what is rude is to ask other people to waste their time because you are too lazy to do a little bit of research for yourself.
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Dont answer the Q then and your time wont be wasted! Sometimes its hard to find the answer with the search function and even if you find the thread it could be 50-something pages long...
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
keep posts in their relevant threads..
I agree! Even when I try to download e-mail and retrieve headers it keeps saying it loses the connection. I have to try a few times and "hope" it doesn't drop the connection. Same with Windows Live Messenger.
I REALLY like itje's ROM's but I think he does some radio/registry tweaking for radio connectivity, and somewhere down the road a tweak broke something
A real shame I have full signal 3G/HSPA or full signal EDGE and it keeps dropping the connection every half a minute or so...
Samson711 said:
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
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well the old fashion way is the only way anyone's gonna tell you to do.
that or you get luky someone has the solution to the problem your facing and decide to post link or fix for ya.
like someone else said before, if you can read enough to flash a rom, then you can read enough to find a solution.
if every person had a problem and don't search (like your doing now) this forum would continue to clog.
you are causing the same bull sh*t cycle that you hate, by starting a thread KNOWING FULL WELL someone has a solution/problem for this rom.
you clog the forum by the same question someone else has probably ask as you have stated yourself.
above all YOU STARTED A STUPID THREAD ASKING THIS QUESTION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASK IN THE RELEVANT THREAD AS FARDS WAS POINTING OUT.
you say a solution shouldn't be hidden? who in the hell is gonna organize every single problem bit by bit? that would cause a more clogged forum.
yes i agree the search engine is not perfect, it shows post of every single word you type in it. but that is the best it's gonna be for a search engine. the only thing better than that is searching your self.
i write down my own search engine. i start reading from begining of thread, take notes of the post# that has either problem or solution, page to know where i'v read up to, reading every single new post for a fix or solution. i keep reading until i'v got to the most current post, by then just sit and relax for what happens next.
everyone wants to find the answer fast but there is no quick way to it. if there was, the staff would have already done it BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH STUPID SH*T EITHER. why would they want to spend their free time dealing with answer issues when they've spent plenty of time on the rom itself?!!?!?! if you really love this rom that was GIVEN TO YOU, put in the extra time to just read and figure out the easy part. make time to do something you claim you love.
im sory but you had this coming to ya, im mad at the thread, even more so what you said in your thread.
DUDE MAN I CAN SH*T ON THIS THREAD ALL DAY BECAUSE THIS THREAD BECAME WORTHLESS WHEN IT WAS STARTED.
Okay, i know i had it coming but i never forced anyone to read the thread nor to post in it. If you get that mad with such threads just don't post, that also makes threads longer. And with not hidden in any threads i do not mean that nobody should search, no, by no means i do mean that. I just thought maybe it could become a sticky post or be written into the wiki. Believe me i searched but after reading 2 hours of posts that didn't help i just thought someone who knew the answer would be nice enough to post the link again.
But obviously i do not have to apologize to waste any of your time, because you seem to have the time to flame around a little bit and tell me things which i said you need not tell me and just leave this thread.
It's just funny how when a question gets asked several times 100 people do have the time to write thousands of lines just to flame at the people instead of using just 10 seconds to leave the thread (which would result in less posts for the search engine) or posting a solution (which would result in thread being closed). I am a guy who always uses the Search engine first and i definately don't give up after 5 minutes of search, but some problems are harder to find via the search than are others, that's the problem. And if i get the feeling that my solution is not to be found, what would you do? Just leave it at that, or post in a board that brilliantly helps everyone who needs help. Okay i can see that i should have posted in the right thread, not start a new one, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.
Now i know that some threads really are useless, but believe me, some people just are unfriendly and rather spend an eternity writing stupid comments than posting a solution, even if they already did so 2 or 3 times=) I helped on problems that were discussed several times myself and i even wrote personal messages with the solution instead of filling up the board. Personally, when i think a thread makes me mad, i leave it and i do not spend any more time of my life on reading/posting in this thread.
It was just a try, sorry. I did not mean to offend anyone and i'll just leave it at that and use the search engine again. But opposite to some other users, i WOULD post the link ANYTIME someone asks for it.
Thread can be closed/deleted, whatever.
I have the same issue and would like it resolved, if you find the answer please let me know
I have been searching the itje thread for around 1 hour and have yet to find an answer...
himuraken said:
well the old fashion way is the only way anyone's gonna tell you to do.
that or you get luky someone has the solution to the problem your facing and decide to post link or fix for ya.
like someone else said before, if you can read enough to flash a rom, then you can read enough to find a solution.
if every person had a problem and don't search (like your doing now) this forum would continue to clog.
you are causing the same bull sh*t cycle that you hate, by starting a thread KNOWING FULL WELL someone has a solution/problem for this rom.
you clog the forum by the same question someone else has probably ask as you have stated yourself.
above all YOU STARTED A STUPID THREAD ASKING THIS QUESTION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ASK IN THE RELEVANT THREAD AS FARDS WAS POINTING OUT.
you say a solution shouldn't be hidden? who in the hell is gonna organize every single problem bit by bit? that would cause a more clogged forum.
yes i agree the search engine is not perfect, it shows post of every single word you type in it. but that is the best it's gonna be for a search engine. the only thing better than that is searching your self.
i write down my own search engine. i start reading from begining of thread, take notes of the post# that has either problem or solution, page to know where i'v read up to, reading every single new post for a fix or solution. i keep reading until i'v got to the most current post, by then just sit and relax for what happens next.
everyone wants to find the answer fast but there is no quick way to it. if there was, the staff would have already done it BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH STUPID SH*T EITHER. why would they want to spend their free time dealing with answer issues when they've spent plenty of time on the rom itself?!!?!?! if you really love this rom that was GIVEN TO YOU, put in the extra time to just read and figure out the easy part. make time to do something you claim you love.
im sory but you had this coming to ya, im mad at the thread, even more so what you said in your thread.
DUDE MAN I CAN SH*T ON THIS THREAD ALL DAY BECAUSE THIS THREAD BECAME WORTHLESS WHEN IT WAS STARTED.
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people like you annoy me mate! if ya did not like what the guy posted then don't flame the man's thread. keep your opinions to yourself. people on here are too quick to have a go at people for posting their feelings as wen posted in thread ya get the same old jibe! the guy did the decent thing and posted out of thread so if anyone could help him then post. he didnt need your 2 pence especially when the rom he had issues wid had no personal bearing on you! Fards who is involved wid the touch-it scene kindly asked him to post in thread! what right have you got? f**king unbelievable some of you fools on here! kiss A** and brown nosers! leave the man's thread alone as he did not need you to advise him of your flipping useless opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Samson711 said:
Okay, i know i had it coming but i never forced anyone to read the thread nor to post in it. If you get that mad with such threads just don't post, that also makes threads longer. And with not hidden in any threads i do not mean that nobody should search, no, by no means i do mean that. I just thought maybe it could become a sticky post or be written into the wiki. Believe me i searched but after reading 2 hours of posts that didn't help i just thought someone who knew the answer would be nice enough to post the link again.
But obviously i do not have to apologize to waste any of your time, because you seem to have the time to flame around a little bit and tell me things which i said you need not tell me and just leave this thread.
It's just funny how when a question gets asked several times 100 people do have the time to write thousands of lines just to flame at the people instead of using just 10 seconds to leave the thread (which would result in less posts for the search engine) or posting a solution (which would result in thread being closed). I am a guy who always uses the Search engine first and i definately don't give up after 5 minutes of search, but some problems are harder to find via the search than are others, that's the problem. And if i get the feeling that my solution is not to be found, what would you do? Just leave it at that, or post in a board that brilliantly helps everyone who needs help. Okay i can see that i should have posted in the right thread, not start a new one, but the outcome would have been exactly the same.
Now i know that some threads really are useless, but believe me, some people just are unfriendly and rather spend an eternity writing stupid comments than posting a solution, even if they already did so 2 or 3 times=) I helped on problems that were discussed several times myself and i even wrote personal messages with the solution instead of filling up the board. Personally, when i think a thread makes me mad, i leave it and i do not spend any more time of my life on reading/posting in this thread.
It was just a try, sorry. I did not mean to offend anyone and i'll just leave it at that and use the search engine again. But opposite to some other users, i WOULD post the link ANYTIME someone asks for it.
Thread can be closed/deleted, whatever.
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what you apologising for? have you been told off by the moderators? NO! ya can post whatever you like if ya feel like it. you have no reason to apologize at all! you haven't broken any rules nor offended anyone! in most threads wen people encounter problems they seem to post the same issue over and over again and fixes may have already been posted earlier! that seems to annoy people as some others tend not to search prior to posting. sometimes i can see how peops feel as these threads are quite long especially on anything itje releases. dont know whether you searched or not but in future maybe you should ok!
shingers5 said:
people like you annoy me mate! if ya did not like what the guy posted then don't flame the man's thread. keep your opinions to yourself. people on here are too quick to have a go at people for posting their feelings as wen posted in thread ya get the same old jibe! the guy did the decent thing and posted out of thread so if anyone could help him then post. he didnt need your 2 pence especially when the rom he had issues wid had no personal bearing on you! Fards who is involved wid the touch-it scene kindly asked him to post in thread! what right have you got? f**king unbelievable some of you fools on here! kiss A** and brown nosers! leave the man's thread alone as he did not need you to advise him of your flipping useless opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i agree that what i post is annoying, same as post like his are too for starting this thread. you say what right i have to flame at him? i can ask you the same thing, what rite do you have for addressing my issue i don't have at you? that's rite Fards is on the touch it team, so he does have the authority to say something. does that mean only the team of the rom is allow to post only? NOOOOO all and anyone can, if it's either helping, complaining, or flaming that's why its a forum. im no brown noser i just pointed to fards post because that's what i would have said as many would too. all he said was go to that relevant thread, logically wouldn't you say the same DAM thing?!!!? dude your just as much of a mindless f*ck here as i am for not minding your own business lol. you didn't post anything fix or links, neither did i. you flame at me for flaming at him, and non of it is our dam business to begin with. you agree that he shouldn't have started a thread and should have search, guess what soo did i. soo shingers roll up your blunt and flame on that, chill the F*ck out son. you ain't no better than me by what you posted here. atleast i gave him my layout plan how i read the forums and take notes. maybe that can encourage him to start his own search plan. wtf help did you do? nothing!!! let's keep going on and on to see who wins this battle of words and continue to clog up this forum... loser
btw im patiently waiting for yall's 6.5+Rhodium rom. i like how the topaz+6.5 came out, pretty stable.
Samson711 said:
First of all it is a great ROM, i just love it!! So Thanks Itje.
My Carrier is o2 Germany and i encounter some problems with my data connection. IM+ keeps losing the connection, resulting in switching between on- and offline every 20 seconds. This is not only very disturbing while chatting, but after 20 times or so, my ICQ Account gets blocked for one hour for security reasons.
Same goes for Opera Mobile, when i google Something i get Connection Problems, after hitting refreh for 3 or 4 times, Pages load just fine.
I found out that other people have the same problem, especially people on T-Mobile and i searched for a possible solution, because it was mentioned that [email protected] posted a work-around but all i could find was a Proxy Setting for T-Mobile NL posted by him, so what i would like to ask is if anybody found a solution to fix this problem, because apart from the otherwise excellent ROM this really "grinds my gears" ;P
And please, if anyone is offended by this post or thinks i did not search enough, just use the "Back" Button in your Browser and i apologize for wasting 10 seconds of your day =)
I Just thought if this problem got solved already and many other users suffer the same conditions, a solution should be more accessable and not be hidden somewhere in 2500 Posts.
Thanks Guys and good night
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holdout said:
I agree! Even when I try to download e-mail and retrieve headers it keeps saying it loses the connection. I have to try a few times and "hope" it doesn't drop the connection. Same with Windows Live Messenger.
I REALLY like itje's ROM's but I think he does some radio/registry tweaking for radio connectivity, and somewhere down the road a tweak broke something
A real shame I have full signal 3G/HSPA or full signal EDGE and it keeps dropping the connection every half a minute or so...
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im dealing with this problem all the time on any custom rom. the only solution for me is to use the stock rom, i have tried every other way/solution, none of them work for me.
I also have the same problem.
I use IRC a lot on my X1, and with Itje's ROMs, pocketIRC disconnects itself in 30 seconds or so.
I have read through the Touch-It9 thread and also used the search function without coming up with any answers.
I would be grateful if someone could simply post a link to the relevant fix.
I'm currently using smarberg's TouchX V7, no such problems with this ROM.
himuraken said:
i agree that what i post is annoying, same as post like his are too for starting this thread. you say what right i have to flame at him? i can ask you the same thing, what rite do you have for addressing my issue i don't have at you? that's rite Fards is on the touch it team, so he does have the authority to say something. does that mean only the team of the rom is allow to post only? NOOOOO all and anyone can, if it's either helping, complaining, or flaming that's why its a forum. im no brown noser i just pointed to fards post because that's what i would have said as many would too. all he said was go to that relevant thread, logically wouldn't you say the same DAM thing?!!!? dude your just as much of a mindless f*ck here as i am for not minding your own business lol. you didn't post anything fix or links, neither did i. you flame at me for flaming at him, and non of it is our dam business to begin with. you agree that he shouldn't have started a thread and should have search, guess what soo did i. soo shingers roll up your blunt and flame on that, chill the F*ck out son. you ain't no better than me by what you posted here. atleast i gave him my layout plan how i read the forums and take notes. maybe that can encourage him to start his own search plan. wtf help did you do? nothing!!! let's keep going on and on to see who wins this battle of words and continue to clog up this forum... loser
btw im patiently waiting for yall's 6.5+Rhodium rom. i like how the topaz+6.5 came out, pretty stable.
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na you win as i man got better things to do! hope ya enjoy your victory! as for calling me a loser - if only you knew! LOL if only you knew! wonder if you would have said that **** to my face dude? if only you knew! ya right about one thing and that i need to take a drag of my blunt! sounds like typical ignorant ranting as ya making assumptions because of my avatar! also ya right i didnt help and instead of acting maturely and ignoring your naive rantings i got dragged in! apologies for that!
sorry but this has gone far enough
im closing the thread