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I'm on my second tilt. I returned the first one because it was impossible for me to carry on a conversation on the railroad to and from work (or in other mildly noisy situations). While I have no issues hearing the person on the other end, my voice cuts in and out to such an extent that I cannot carry on a conversation. This occurs in the morning on relatively empty trains and in the evening on crowded trains.
There is another thread in which most people have been complaining about the quality on the other end when using the speakerphone, but some had a problem similar to mine as well. AT&T claims that this has not yet been identified as a widespread issue with the device, but before I really raise a stink with them, I wanted to find out if this was really a widespread issue or not.
If this is to ultimately be useful to others, I guess it makes sense to identify which version of the Kaiser you are using.
Thanks.
Turn on Automatic Gain Control
Start / Settings / System / Microphone AGC
"Enable"
*really* helps voice quality a lot.
DLD
One of the main reasons i upgraded to the tilt (it was a huge upgrade, basic phone to a all-in-one phone) was because my phone calls dropped all the time. I thought it was because of the phone (it was old, been dropped ALOT), but I'm beginning to wonder. when talking on the tilt the other day, the other person complained that i was dropping in and out. i was pacing on the upstairs of the house, and kept passing TVs, computers and their moniters and past the wireless router, so it could be that, but, again, i don't know for sure.
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
mjizzy said:
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
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Yes, it's a curious thing the AGC. In a way it would be helpful to have a hard key for it because how well or badly it works depends on the background noise level. So in some situations you might want it off and even in the same conversation you might want it on. Also it's behaviour is affected by whether you are on speaker phone where volume level and feedback become issues. (Not the easiest thing to test out either!)
Mike
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
clippy said:
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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That's very good to hear.
I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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It does help, but only slightly when calling on my device.
It seems to help on my tilt as well, but I really haven't had much of a chance to test it out. I will say that, however small the sample size (and assuming it is random), it is somewhat comforting that most respondants have not had any problems at all. Maybe ours are just from a bad batch. I'm going to try calling AT&T to see if they'll swap mine out again.
I just got off the phone with HTC support again (here in Belgium). He URGED me that everybody that has the problem would report it: the more requests on the problem they receive, the faster they will start developing a fix.
So everybody, start calling HTC support and ask they make a ticket for it!
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Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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so in resume, TyTN II / Kaiser Speaker phone SUX
this is a very important feature in a phone, i don't care if it's the best PDA phone in the world... a good phone must respond as a good phone and the Kaiser doesnt...
rocho said:
i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
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Did you already contact HTC?
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
xmoo said:
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
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With my device, the sounds also drops when I'm calling with the phone held to my ear :-(. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Calling HTC
I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I've reported the issue to the HTC authorised service center close to 2 weeks ago. When I called up the service center, their reply is : no response from the HTC Taiwan yet..... What a surprising innocent reply from them!!!! As if they have never got any feedback on such issue before!
Hi
I wonder if the problem is caused by excessive volume of the in built earpiece? Do you have this up on maximum or high?
The inbuilt earpiece goes very loud and so the sound would easily be picked up by the microphone causing it to behave similar to when you have it on speaker phone as it tries to stop feedback and echo.
There isn't a lot that can be done about this apart from turning down the earpiece volume or using a wired headphones with mic. It may be worth turning down your volume on the earpiece to see if it improves.
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Phil
i tried teh speaker phone on my tilt and on the receiving end it has a ton of static, is that normal? you baiscally cant understand anything being said when taling in speaker phone, i can hear out of it just fine, it's just who i talk to cant hear hardly anything but static. any fix for this?
There's several others having similar problems. Some people suspect that Kaiser's speakerphone is half-duplex only, and that may be a hardware or software problem.
See this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337463
Have a nice day
Thanks i'll take a look.
I've had my AT&T banded N1 (with Rogers in Canada) for nearly 2 weeks now and I've been waiting to make sure everything works properly before I potentially give up my warranty by unlocking it. One thing that has been bugging me though is the call quality.
Everyone raves about how clear the call quality is on these things, but based on my phone I don't really agree. When no one is talking the line is dead silent (so silent that I almost think that the call has dropped), but when the other person begins to talk a light static or crackling background noise starts and once they finish talking it goes away and is completely silent again. If the static was there all the time I might not even notice it, but since it stops and starts during pauses in the conversation it really stands out. This happens on both the handset ear piece and with the headphones that came with the phone.
Has anyone else noticed this? If it's normal so be it, but if not then I might as well try and get it fixed before I do anything.
I don't have the at&t version but that does not sound normal.
Crackling is normally a sign of a speaker problem but I wouldn't think the headphones would also produce it.
seems i have the same issue...
i havent noticed any noise like this, but i will go test it and see if i have it too.
It's the speaker, for some reason the Nexus One comes with a slightly-too-loud speaker volume setting built in and you need to turn the incall volume down one notch from max. At least that solved my problem, hope this works for you!
have just called Google Tech Support and the guy suggested me to blow into the earphone couple of times and see if it helps
if not, do a hard reset
if not, call for warranty...
Since I get this noise in both the handset and ear phone speakers at all volumes I have to assume the problem is with my radio.
It's too much of a pain to get warranty work done outside of the US so I'm just going to learn to ignore it.
Things like voice search/translate/etc don't pick up any voice input. During calls, nobody can hear me even if I can hear them perfectly. Fiddling with mute/speaker doesn't seem to work, either. Volume/vibrate settings don't seem to change anything, either.
I've Googled this problem and haven't found anything that fits my problem (many people seem to get this working by hitting Speaker, but that doesn't work here).
What ROM you running, ect....?
Sounds like it just might be a hardware problems (bad mic)
Fit's ROM, Redstar kernel. It's all been working before -- haven't updated in a while and it used to all work just fine.
I would at least update to his latest build and see of it resolve it, o still think could be hardware related
I just discovered that my thin bumper case was totally screwing up my speakerphone mic's and even my touchscreen. I haven't a clue how it has been doing so, but it seems to be fixed. I just started a thread. Go here for the products I was using that caused these issues: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/case-screwing-touchscreen-microphones-t3039801
UPDATE: Sept, 23rd, 2013: I gave in a week ago and replaced my phone with a re-manufactured one per the suggestion of another rep. Was hesitant since I was doubtful it would solve the problem, nor did I want any NEW issues. Well, the replacement phone seems fine, except it still has the same microphone issue. A caller this weekend who hadn't actually experienced this problem with me before was very confused while talking to me... "hello? hello? You sound far away."
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UPDATE: May 29th, 2013: We are aware of the problem and there is a fix in the works, however, I do not currently have an ETA as to when that fix will roll out OTA as an update.
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Work Around 1: My personal work around so far is to hold phone steady, don't move it, and talk very evenly (no changes in volume). Occasionally have people unable to hear me, but my satisfaction with the phone has gone up now that I can control the problem more.
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Important Note: If the noise cancellation mic (top back of phone) hears your voice clearly, it may think you are background noise! Once you're registered as background noise, you'll have to be patient and wait 10-15 seconds for the phone to reset. Talking louder will lengthen the problem. Resist the urge, and speak at a normal volume until the caller can hear you again.
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I've had numerous people say I sound "distant", "muffled" or "very quiet" from time to time. It doesn't happen a lot and has been hard to track down. I now know it's not location, or signal related. The "pinky finger over mic" idea is brilliant, but I've been holding my phone with as minimal contact as possible since reading about the signal deathgrip issue to rule that one out too.
I even just called HTC on my ONE to report the problem and it started doing it. The girl couldn't believe what she was hearing.
Unfortunately, they couldn't replicate it in their offices immediately.
After some thinking, I can reproduce this problem any time now and wanted to see if anyone else could as well.
I think it is related to the dynamic MIC gain not resetting quickly enough, if at all.
Call someone and just start talking normally for a few sentences.
Turn the phone so the bottom edge (where the microUSB + MIC are) are pointing straight towards your mouth.
Speak a couple more sentences. (You may need to get it close to your mouth, you may need to speak slightly elevated to trigger the issue... But don't SCREAM AT THE PHONE; it seems to be smart enough to not be affected by this)
Revert phone to normal talking position and continue conversation.
When I do this... the other person cannot hear or make out what I'm saying for 10-15 seconds. Now obviously this seems stupid right? Who talks this way? Well, how do you talk to someone when you're looking something up on your phone during a call?
The real gotcha is that it happens to me when I'm just in a plain conversation. My thinking on that is maybe I coughed, or laughed loudly for a sec, or just accidentally moved the phone closer than I should have since I don't tend to sit like a statue when I'm in a call.
Let me know what you get, hopefully I can rule out personal phone defect vs. issue for HTC to look into for all of us.
Dude... you might have hit the nail on the head. I have exact same feedback from people.. they say "Are you there..? Can you ehar me.. " all of a sudden in the middle of a conversation. I will try this now with someone I know.. me being on the HTC One.
This is the ONLY thing bugging me. Hopefully I can replicate this.
This was basically my theory in the thread I started in General. I have a feeling that it is over-aggressive in its low-cut trying to get rid of background noise. So far since I swapped phones yesterday, I haven't had any complaints. I had a DEFINITE issue and it wasn't the pinky for me either.
Wonder if it's something that can be fixed in software.
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I've had numerous people say I sound "distant", "muffled" or "very quiet" from time to time. It doesn't happen a lot and has been hard to track down. I now know it's not location, or signal related. The "pinky finger over mic" idea is brilliant, but I've been holding my phone with as minimal contact as possible since reading about the signal deathgrip issue to rule that one out too.
I even just called HTC on my ONE to report the problem and it started doing it. The girl couldn't believe what she was hearing.
Unfortunately, they couldn't replicate it in their offices immediately.
After some thinking, I can reproduce this problem any time now and wanted to see if anyone else could as well.
I think it is related to the dynamic MIC gain not resetting quickly enough, if at all.
Call someone and just start talking normally for a few sentences.
Turn the phone so the bottom edge (where the microUSB + MIC are) are pointing straight towards your mouth.
Speak a couple more sentences. (You may need to get it close to your mouth, you may need to speak slightly elevated to trigger the issue... But don't SCREAM AT THE PHONE; it seems to be smart enough to not be affected by this)
Revert phone to normal talking position and continue conversation.
When I do this... the other person cannot hear or make out what I'm saying for 10-15 seconds. Now obviously this seems stupid right? Who talks this way? Well, how do you talk to someone when you're looking something up on your phone during a call?
The real gotcha is that it happens to me when I'm just in a plain conversation. My thinking on that is maybe I coughed, or laughed loudly for a sec, or just accidentally moved the phone closer than I should have since I don't tend to sit like a statue when I'm in a call.
Let me know what you get, hopefully I can rule out personal phone defect vs. issue for HTC to look into for all of us.
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Dude... you might have hit the nail on the head. I have exact same feedback from people.. they say "Are you there..? Can you ehar me.. " all of a sudden in the middle of a conversation. I will try this now with someone I know.. me being on the HTC One.
This is the ONLY thing bugging me. Hopefully I can replicate this.
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I'm glad it's not just me! It's frustrating especially during business calls, or conversations with older family members. Times when you really really need the phone to just work.
I've used Google Voice on another phone to call into and have made perfect MP3 recordings of this problem and already sent them to HTC. I can trigger this issue now on demand no problem by doing the above.
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This was basically my theory in the thread I started in General. I have a feeling that it is over-aggressive in its low-cut trying to get rid of background noise. So far since I swapped phones yesterday, I haven't had any complaints. I had a DEFINITE issue and it wasn't the pinky for me either.
Wonder if it's something that can be fixed in software.
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Excellent characterization of it, perhaps even badass, if I may.
Let me know if you still have the problem on your new phone by doing my test above with someone when you can. It's so easy to do. Just have a conversation and in the middle of it, turn the bottom mic to your mouth and talk just a little more loudly... then resume conversation. Guaranteed issue here on my phone.
And like I said, for anyone else passing by this thread... I know I'm sort of forcing the phone to have an issue by doing this, but it's just an easy way to show what has been happening to those of us with the problem during normal day-to-day conversations.
Once it happens, the louder you talk actually will make it worse. My only cure is to be silent and wait for it to "cool off" the processing it is doing. Again, not easy to do if your recipient isn't understanding.
I get the same comments from people too. They say it sounds like I talk away from the phone randomly, or cant hear what I am saying correctly. Funny thing is that when I was force roaming on verizon I never had one complaint about that. The first phone call after switching back to a sprint prl I had that complaint. So who knows
Ihave been having this problem as well. Was thinking about trying to exchange phone, but I was wondering if you ha e heard anything from HTC after reporting the issue
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Ihave been having this problem as well. Was thinking about trying to exchange phone, but I was wondering if you ha e heard anything from HTC after reporting the issue
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I've sent them three audio samples to a special email they gave me for one of their upper tiers who wanted to look at this case specifically.
I'm able to make it happen with excellent signal, etc. and can do it every time now just by temporarily talking a little louder by turning the MIC towards my mouth.
No HTC response as of yet. Recordings were sent in 3 days ago. I'll update here as we move forward.
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I've sent them three audio samples to a special email they gave me for one of their upper tiers who wanted to look at this case specifically.
I'm able to make it happen with excellent signal, etc. and can do it every time now just by temporarily talking a little louder by turning the MIC towards my mouth.
No HTC response as of yet. Recordings were sent in 3 days ago. I'll update here as we move forward.
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Please do update us! If its a hardware issue that cant be fixed via software I guess I will just wait a while when they switch out their mics then exchange it :good:
Any updates Lauski?
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Any updates Lauski?
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Nada thing yet. I can still do it on demand no problem and still have people occasionally tell me they suddenly can't hear me.
I just called to check up and was told that I in fact, will be getting a call from the escalation team soon according to the notes on the ticket and they'll talk to me about my findings and may ask me to reproduce it on the fly. Obviously, I'll provide all info I learn back here.
I see...my 14 day return period was ending so I'm gonna just exchange the phone. I bought online so shipping is a bit of an ordeal.
Question, are you using an Airave by any chance? I make most of my calls off one, and haven't noticed the problem outside of using it with the Airave - altho it is a much smaller sample size. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it. I'm also usually on WiFi when this happens.
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I see...my 14 day return period was ending so I'm gonna just exchange the phone. I bought online so shipping is a bit of an ordeal.
Question, are you using an Airave by any chance? I make most of my calls off one, and haven't noticed the problem outside of using it with the Airave - altho it is a much smaller sample size. I'm wondering if this has anything to do with it. I'm also usually on WiFi when this happens.
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Never been on an airave. I've tried in 3G areas, 4G areas, with WIFI on, with WIFI off, toggling between CDMA only and CDMA/LTE. I've had the issue in varying degrees of excellent signal and just average. I can also produce the effect (although it's not as drastic) with just using the voice recorder app.
Not that all of these make a difference, but just trying to be helpful so you know my exact situation. Let me know if after exchanging you see any improvement! I assume you're able to reproduce what I've done above with your current phone?
Update: Disappointing so far. I didn't get a call from the tech, but spoke to someone else after I received notification in an HTC Ticket. The new rep asked lots of questions, some relating to the problem, some not... he said he'd talk to the other tech (to whom I sent my audio samples) and would get back to me.
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Update: Disappointing so far. I didn't get a call from the tech, but spoke to someone else after I received notification in an HTC Ticket. The new rep asked lots of questions, some relating to the problem, some not... he said he'd talk to the other tech (to whom I sent my audio samples) and would get back to me.
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Erick_HTC is doing a Q&A on reddit later today, might be worth shooting it to him, he has gotten some answers for people in the past.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comments/1ebx9a/reminder_chat_today_in_5_hours_for_htc_one_support/
EDIT: Got you some visibility from him.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comm...be_answering_your_questions/c9yx5d4?context=3
As you can see, he says he and some of the guys up there are going to sit down and try to recreate the problem based on your description here. Hoping it works.
Not sure if my issue is related, but randomly on a call, usually a couple minutes in, I start getting severely choppy audio both in and out like nearly every other word is being dropped. This has happened while on a Airrave, in my car, and just standing in a parking lot.
I'm not seeing others with this exact issue but maybe someone can chime in as well? Might be I just got a lemon from a launch day pickup.
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Erick_HTC is doing a Q&A on reddit later today, might be worth shooting it to him, he has gotten some answers for people in the past.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comments/1ebx9a/reminder_chat_today_in_5_hours_for_htc_one_support/
EDIT: Got you some visibility from him.
http://www.reddit.com/r/htcone/comm...be_answering_your_questions/c9yx5d4?context=3
As you can see, he says he and some of the guys up there are going to sit down and try to recreate the problem based on your description here. Hoping it works.
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That's awesome, thank you, I had missed it.
To update everyone else on this thread, we're moving along and I sent them audio samples recorded from the other person's end (recipient).
Seems like we are beginning to lean towards the noise cancellation mic on the back occasionally picking up your voice while in a call, and then the phone filtering your voice out, inadvertently thinking YOU are background noise. The frequency cut would make you sound far away, or like in a tunnel.
Makes sense and it may be randomly happening during a call when you switch ears, look something up on your phone, maybe turn your phone to let someone else speak with you on the phone for a moment, etc. and the mic on the back of the phone picks you up (these are personal theories).
My personal work around so far is to hold phone steady, don't move it, and talk very evenly (no changes in volume). Occasionally have people unable to hear me, but my satisfaction with the phone has gone up now that I can control the problem more.
I noticed muffled call quality as well and think it might be a defect. I noticed an issue also when I tried testing out the video quality and recorded a song playing from my stereo system. After recording it, I noticed almost all of the sound was on the left channel, and the right channel was almost non-existent. I uploaded the video to my computer to hear it and noticed the same issue - the left earphone was loud and clear, the right was very quiet.
Do those of you who have call quality issues also notice microphone issues during video recordings?
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I noticed muffled call quality as well and think it might be a defect. I noticed an issue also when I tried testing out the video quality and recorded a song playing from my stereo system. After recording it, I noticed almost all of the sound was on the left channel, and the right channel was almost non-existent. I uploaded the video to my computer to hear it and noticed the same issue - the left earphone was loud and clear, the right was very quiet.
Do those of you who have call quality issues also notice microphone issues during video recordings?
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I'm having the same problems.....call recipients complain of my voice going in and out. I originally thought it was a defective mic. However, when I tried to record my voice like jpzsports, both left and right channels produced clear sound. I've also tried covering both rear and front mics while recording my voice...the muffled sound only occurs when I cover the front mic (which would be expected).
I'm leaning towards lauski's theory. It does seem to be some type of defective noise cancellation software that chooses to actively cut out my voice. At least, that's the only thing that would make sense if the mic seems to be functioning properly.
Let me know if you guys figure anything else out!
I can replicate the problem all the time by holding the phone with my shoulder instead of my hand. I thought it was my otterbox or I was blocking a Mic but I'm not...Hope a SW update fixes it.
Btw it's my left shoulder pressed against my ear.
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