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So maybe its my background in Linux, but there's something that just creeps me out about Odin. I tried searching here and on Google, and all I can find are links (mostly broken) to download it from various cheesy file sharing sites.
Does anybody know where the software actually comes from? Who wrote it? Is it legal, or was it swiped from Samsung?
It seems weird to me that a software community that is based so much on open source software relies so heavily on such a shady system.
Am I missing something?
i believe it is used at samsung repair centers to flash multiple phones similtaniously.
js22 said:
So maybe its my background in Linux, but there's something that just creeps me out about Odin. I tried searching here and on Google, and all I can find are links (mostly broken) to download it from various cheesy file sharing sites.
Does anybody know where the software actually comes from? Who wrote it? Is it legal, or was it swiped from Samsung?
It seems weird to me that a software community that is based so much on open source software relies so heavily on such a shady system.
Am I missing something?
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For Samsung engineer internal use. leaked with ROMs.
And saved tons of bricked Galaxy S. Thanks Samsung.
I think Odin is a Samsung internal maintainance tool. There are other tools to write the phone throuhg download mode under Linux.
oh hey i dont think anyone mentioned that it came from samsung maintenance.....
Is there an Odin for the new 2.2 for I897?
Yes there is a 2.2. Just look for "Odin3 2.2 Captivate" on google.
TayzGpa said:
Is there an Odin for the new 2.2 for I897?
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Odin is not specific to any ROM.
You can use either the oldest Odin3 1.0 or the newest Odin3 1.81 to flash any ROM. Just some difference in features and UI layout.
To OG, I don't see a problem not to use an opensource way to write the firmware into the device through the device specific mode. BL isn't opensource and you still get the choice of CWM.
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Yes there is a 2.2. Just look for "Odin3 2.2 Captivate" on google.
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The ODIN one click 2.2 is the OLD JI6 leak and not the actual KB1 release
Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.
Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?
How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?
One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.
I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.
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Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.
Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?
How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?
One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.
I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.
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Odin, Heimdall and all of the various ROMs, kernels modems and whatnot linked in messages in XDA forums share the same safety mechanism - the XDA community. If one of the popular ROMs was crashing phones there would be shouting in all the forums about it. So that wouldn't work at all. What we need to watch for are more subtle attacks like botnet sleepers in the ROMs or something else gathering user data and passing it along for more sinister uses than Google's usual data gathering.
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Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.
Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?
How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?
One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.
I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.
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the same logic could be used for any program for any operating system.
i remember over a decade ago when i was just a kid getting a virus from a fake edonkey download. viruses can be anything...
and viruses are not specific to windows (microsoft), its just the most likely OS viruses will come accross, so to do maximum damage it is written for that OS. just because you dont run windows doesnt mean you CANT get viruses, it just means there are less written for your OS.
ASIDE from that....
there is the Odin flashing program
and the Odin One click downloader. (2.1 ONLY)
2 programs both from samsung.
Safe place to get them??? HERE ON XDA!!! (the place you learned about them.. huh)
Trusselo said:
the same logic could be used for any program for any operating system.
i remember over a decade ago when i was just a kid getting a virus from a fake edonkey download. viruses can be anything...
and viruses are not specific to windows (microsoft), its just the most likely OS viruses will come accross, so to do maximum damage it is written for that OS. just because you dont run windows doesnt mean you CANT get viruses, it just means there are less written for your OS.
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Had a coworker that loved Apple products like a religion once. Dude would go through all the talking points that he culled from tv commercicals with me daily about how PC's are rife with viruses and it's impossible for a mac to get one. He never gave me a solid reason for why it's impossible, other than "because you would have to compile it yourself (for some unknown reason)".
yeah the whole mac doesnt get viruses thing is simply based off the fact that macs rarely get viruses, the reason for that is explained above. the system may be more secure (or maybe it's not, if it isn't they wouldn't let you know that) you can't prevent downloading a file that you tell the computer to download. no computer system knows it's a virus before it is running on the computer. they can give warnings about file extensions but it really doesnt prevent anything.
mac users are either very knowledgeable and familiar with terminal but prefer mac for some reason, maybe a particular software package they want to run that isn't available on linux. or maybe they dont want the hassle of compiling from source, or some of the installation meathods you see in linux software that is not in the repositories associated with the distrobution.
they may do some type of editing to video or audio and run a software package not available on linux and that doesnt run as well on windows. ive seen that.
or they are people that are led by media who either believe the hype. or are trying to make some kind of statment.
with user friendly linux disrtos like ubuntu and mint there is little advantage to mac unless you have a specific software package you plan to run and linux isn't one of your options. but people are afraid of linux. mac seems more friendly even if the ui completely sux, i guess the ui prevents unskilled users from flooding the screen with windows by opening more when you click the icon, thus keeping things clean but i personally hate it with a passion!
It's impossible to check anything software before you use it. Odin is actually from samfirmware.com which is a trustable site to get Samsung ROMS. And Odin itself is a Samsung software. After long time usage it's reliable (and improving reliability with newer version).
Also from my experience with old Moto phones and HTC phones, all the flashing program are like Odin. Nothing really surprised me when I started using it.
Pit, BL(boot.bin, Sbl.bin) is not related to Odin, it's inside the ROM package, usually is PDA.
I would trust Odin more because it's from the manufacture. Also my friend from i900 told me they use Odin too. So it seems Odin is Samsung's standard firmware writing tool.
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Okay, so the fact that its leaked (as opposed to released) from Samsung explains why it isn't hosted on a respectable site.
Again, I'm not used to the Micro$oft side of things, but it seems to me like running some binary you stumbled across on an unknown website might not be the best of ideas. Do Windows uses ever get computer viruses ?
How hard would it be to write a program called Odin that grabs your IMEI, sticks malware on your phone, or maybe just "accidentally" fails while writing your bootloader ? How do you know that the latest random "Odin" binary you stumble upon on the web isn't exactly such a program ?
One of the great things about open source (besides the price !) is that you (or at least somebody somewhere) knows exactly what you are getting. I haven't actually used heimdall (no affiliation with author) but I'm surprised that this or some equivalent open-source approach isn't more widely used amongst the xda crowd.
I guess that even with an open-source flashing program you still need the binaries for the bootloaders, the pit file, and so on. But (as I understand it) at least in theory you could legally, safely obtain these from your own phone before you start flashing stuff.
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Will Odin work on any brand phone, or is it specific to Samsung?
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modest_mandroid said:
Had a coworker that loved Apple products like a religion once. Dude would go through all the talking points that he culled from tv commercicals with me daily about how PC's are rife with viruses and it's impossible for a mac to get one. He never gave me a solid reason for why it's impossible, other than "because you would have to compile it yourself (for some unknown reason)".
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Next time your talking to him tell him OSX is just FREEBSD (version 5.xx, its an old version) with a gui change, that he paid for
That should create a nice debate for you!
Although you can make any Linux distro resemble OSX in about 2 minutes, and most mac users wouldn't know the difference.
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Will Odin work on any brand phone, or is it specific to Samsung?
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As far as I know its for Samsung only. I use it on My GF's Samsung Spica as well!
i just convinced myself that it came from a magical land, so i wouldnt be scared of screwing my phone with a program with such a shady background
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i just convinced myself that it came from a magical land, so i wouldnt be scared of screwing my phone with a program with such a shady background
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+1
I actually learned something reading this thread.
Hey Guys!!!
I've read threads here and there about porting Windows 8 into the Touchpad, but I want to have as many answers as possible in one single thread.
Will it be possible in the future?
What obstacles will the devs find porting it?
I know this website is big in Android development but I want to see different options
licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
I guess these threads need to be merged. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
Per that thread they say the biggest issue is the drivers.
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
its 89 gogogogogoogggggg
no luck.........................any success???
If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
Again a bit more info here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1229307
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If I'm not mistaken there's a leaked version of the ARM Windows 8
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here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
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here's an article about the Windows 8 ARM-version leak:
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well...strike that. i can't post external links yet in forums here because i'm too much of a XDA newb
but if you simply Google "ARM Windows 8 leak"...you can find articles about the leak and such...
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why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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I think what the point was, that MS has 2 options:
Sell the OS as a standalone or sell the OS to OEMs and the OEMs sell the product.
If the latter is the case, you cannot legally install it on something else, that would break the EULA.
Drivers would also probably be an issue, but it's hard to tell until we know what hardware is running Windows 8 whenever it comes out. It's possible that it'll be a non-issue.
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why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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Simple,no one would buy it. Chances are,it will be shipped by OEMs with their hardware with custom hardware abstraction layers,if its on consumer devices at all. There is a school of thought that its going to be only for servers. The idea is that taking into account cooling,a rack full of arm servers will have vastly greater performance than a rack full of Intel chips because they can be packed denser. Still,it probably wont be generic,but tied to the particular hardware. It also solves a lot of piracy issues. You cant pirate the software because you cant buy the hardware without buying the software.
It also would give them a leg up on Linux servers. While there COULD be Linux versions ported to the hardware, the manufacturer would probably not give you ANY hardware support,any more than HTC will support Honeycomb on an EVO. They would market it as an appliance rather than a fully configurable server.
There currently are not hardware standards or BIOS/EFI standards for arm that I know of,so a generic version is not possible and I am not optimistic that it will be. Until those things are spelled out there wont be generic hardware like there is with Intel/AMD.
realdreams said:
why wouldn't MS sell it?
I heard somewhere MS will have an ARM version of next gen of windows
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For the same reason that Tablet/Phone makers don't sell devices without an OS. Embedded devices (As the name implies) are supposed to be tied to a single OS.
If you happen to have an MSDN account, you can generally find things such as embedded windows version there. Windows 8 will probably be there as well for ARM. However the biggest problem I think would be hardware working out with it.
ARM for Servers is definitly an option, but MS would be stupid not to offer it to consumers in Laptops and tablets as well.
Currently most tables use ARM and having an Intel x86 in there would not be good for the battery life, ARM is definitly a good option for tablets.
Also Windows 8 will not load Explorer by default, so it will be more power efficient on tablets since it only loads and shows that new Tile (codename was Wind if I'm not mistaken) interface.
It has been demo'ed already on ARM based tablets, if you look at the demo videos on youtube they explicitly mention ARM tablets, and a large part of their plan for Windows 8 is to get onto the ARM based consumer device market.
I agree with posters above though, the ARM version will probably only come through OEM channels. OEMs will probably need to create/tailor a bootloader for their hardware, and preconfigure the OS with the relevant drivers etc.
The best hope for a port will be if an OEM uses hardware close enough that porting their bootloader will be possible and the relevant drivers can be grabbed somewhere. I'm hoping the driver situation will be helped by MS bundling enough generic drivers to get it to run first and that updated/specific drivers can be installed later.
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licensing
unless microsoft starts selling windows 8 licences for ARM devices (meaning by itself, not pre-installed in a device), porting windows 8 to another devices that doesn't already come with it would be considered piracy.
it is possible to have development to figure out a way for windows 8 to install on this device...but it's not gonna include windows 8 binaries.
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I dont think Microsoft licensed WP7 for the HD2
Anyone at the Microsoft Build conference in Cali? They are giving devs a Windows8 Tablet.. or so I heard.
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I know nothing about development, but figure if the right devs got interested, it should be possible. I'm watching the build demo, and they had win8 running on a a 3yr old netbook, only using like 270mb of RAM. I know drivers will be an issue, but... anything is possible, right?
Maybe I'm being a little too optimistic.
Windows 8 developer preview
Microsoft has announced that it's releasing windows 8 to developers later this week. My question is how simple will it be to get it on the touchpad? Sorry if I've been vague. On my phone and just saw the post on Engadget.
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is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
To answer your question, NO. Window Phone 7 users will get a upgrade to Windows Phone 7.8 and it will give you the new start menu of Windows Phone 8 but, nothing else.
Windows phone 7.8
There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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is there any way to install wp8 on a wp7 phone?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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Really ? Did you do any homework or read any of the blogs about Windows Phone 8 ? I guess not. A key word that you should know is "search" as you would of found your answer.
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really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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There will be update to wp7/wp7.5 called wp7.8 and you have same interface than Windows phone 8
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thanks hetwo.
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I'm pretty sure we'll be able to put some sort of custom ROM WP8 on a WP7 device.
Other than the secure boot, which should hopefully be easily turned off, I haven't seen anything which would prevent the OS from running on a WP7 device.
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thank you too.. its good knowing there are some decent intelligent people out there willing to answer questions without having to be a disrespectful troll.
Hey guys,
Firstly please don't get this wp8 forum off to a bad start and keep flaming each other? Respect each other and the rules please :cyclops:
Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
Hopefully soon wp8 on WP7 by Custom Rom
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Secondly, from my understanding current hardware specs of wp7 phones are not high enough, do not meet, wp8 requirements so the answer is probably no. The official line is a definate no, wp7 devices, even new ones like lumia 900 will not get wp8 update
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Definitely not via an update, that's clearly been addressed by Microsoft. However existing WP7 hardware is surely powerful enough to run WP8. The single core processor is definitely not a problem, and low end WP8 devices are looking to be lower in specs than current WP7 devices.
I'm no expert in usermode on WP, but I know the NT kernel extremely well, and it's more than capable of running on our hardware.
Some body will hack it
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Only problem maybe drivers. It is Microsoft way to release oem from out of warranty obligation to keep an outdated product updated.
Who wants to sell one shirt and that person never buys another because it last too long. I understand wanted to save money. But how can they keep making money if the people that work for them is trying to make something2 years old work off of the mere 500$ the phone is worth. Hey has to make money or they will disappear like farmer jack and circuit city
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kilus said:
really? did you do any homework or read any blogs about how to get laid as a nerd? i guess not. a key word you should know is "balls," as you'd require a pair as a real man and help you stop masterbating at online porn, move out your mom's house, and finally get laid at 43 years of age.
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Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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Absolutely not true. The NT kernel will run on seriously low specs without any issues. It'll happily run on an old pentium 233 and 32MB RAM without any notable issues in performance. In fact,WP7 hardware is sufficient to run full blown Windows 7, not just the NT6 kernel (assuming the processor was x86 and not ARMv7)
I don't se drivers being a huge blocker as the number of drivers for NT6 is huge, and even in the worst case scenario any drivers we may be missing can be written.
It'll be interesting to see how quickly someone gets WP8 running on a WP7 device.
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It's a good question. As I got that from a Tweet by someone at MS. As I understand Windows 8 has a updated kernel that they are using on WP8. Not sure on it, as I thought it was the same as you (I'm a 20 year Windows Systems admin, I know the NT kernel COULD run on 286 machines if needed, not sure on the updated one, just going on what I heard).
It might of been the option of forcing users to have not hard reset their phones (like going from 32bit to 64-bit, no upgrade path) and that would cause a big impact on customer reports. As I have understood from watching the whole MS thing on it, it came down to performance problems that ended it before it started. Some chipsets to support the new OS are not on WP7 devices, so it limits the options current users can take advantage of.
It's not just about the devices and the end users , its' about the PR nightmare. Any press is good but, bad press is a whole different story. In a year or 2 no one will even talk about this. Android does this all the time and even Apple did it to their first gen device.
Who knows. Maybe one of the great hackers here or DFT will make it run on a current device. It makes me question it though.
As long as WP7 devices have been out, Not one WM 6.5 devices (not incuding the HD2 as it was used as a test device for MS on WP7 and drivers were leaked) got a WP7 upgrade OR No Android device got WP7 or the other way around. There are plenty of Android devices or even a handful of 6.5 devices that could of run WP7 fine.
The hackers can do only so much but, time will tell, I just wonder IF POSSABLE (with out MS), just how long it would take.
It will be interesting to see tho...
I do know I am about 95% sure I will be buying one on release, just depending on the models on release.
The reason for almost none of the 6.5 devices running WP7 could be that most of the old devices running 6.5 didn´t have the needed display (capacitive and the WP7 resolution) or processor. Take the Toshiba TG01: resistive display and higher resolution.
btw....moved to Q&A:good:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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for hd7? i see...
hackarchive said:
this will be possible atleast for hd7 and focus 1st gen:good:
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Just wondering... Where did you get your info on that ? Your HD7 and focus besides the display and case is almost like every other Windows Phone 7 device (standard hardware across all models).
Even though it has been clearly said by Microsoft that NO 1st or 2nd gen devices will get the update you seem to think the HD7 will.
Maybe it's me but, I'm smelling a little BS here....
Unless Microsoft says that they will be updating or DFT decides to dig in, your not getting a upgrade on any first or 2nd gen device and that includes the HD7 and Focus.
The problem with the kernel is not that it by itself would need that much power to run but rather that they would have to develop loads of drivers for it to work, as they would not be able to use those that already exist for Windows CE.
A bigger problem might be the Bootloader process. The NT Kernel at least on ARM requires an UEFI firmware which is likely to be pretty different from the bootloaders we currently have on our phones.
So the steps would be:
- Develop an UEFI firmware for current WP7 hardware (HSPL needed because it would replace the old bootloader) - including UEFI hardware drivers
- Develop drivers for the chipsets from scratch
- Find out on how many hardware characteristics Microsoft chose to rely that are simply not there on old devices
I'm not saying that it is impossible to do or that it won't ever be done but I guess until it's done almost no one will still be using such an old phone.
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DavidinCT said:
Hahaha. If you read ANY PLACE on this site, it says to SEARCH before posting.
You must not know how to read. This has been a major topic of discussion over every Windows Phone 7 related site.
It does not take a geek or loser like yourself just to spend 2 min reading before posting a subject that has been posted everywhere.
The new upgrade goes to the NT kernal over the WinCE one. That does take more horsepower than current devices can do. It will have native support for C++ and a lot of other modern tech (NFC and others). The current chipset in current devices will not be able to handle it with reasonable performance. As I understand it.
IF some hacker was to create a rom for a current device, it would not support more than 1/2 of the OS and the performace would not be anything worth using unless they stripped everything out.
It's really questionable if a hacker will be able to get it working on current devices and what type of performance. If you really want to know the changes, it's a little long but, it really shows what it can and will do...
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Windows-Phone/Summit
It's the full streaming event, and it's almost 2 hours but, it's impressive and I can see why they went this route.
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Helooo???
Low end WP8 devices will have lower HW specs than some current WP7 devices.
WP8 could run very well on a focus s or HD7 or any other.
There will be custom roms for many current devices, there are many smart guys here that I'm sure will try to do this. Let's hope they will manage to do it.
I know there have been some questions regarding this in the past, I am using an lg g3 and nokia 930 and I like the g3 hardware but would rather have windows phone on it than android, I've customized android to look and run like a windows phone with launcher 8 pro and im still not satisified.
is this possible now at this point to flash wp on android hardware?
if you want android buy android
if you want WP buy WP....
not possible to change and flash other systems
dxdy said:
if you want android buy android
if you want WP buy WP....
not possible to change and flash other systems
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What about devices that are sold with WP8 OR Android Kitkat BUT have the same identical hardware?
I am referring to Tablets with Intel like these two:
WP8 version - http://smartpad.mediacomeurope.it/Prodotti/Scheda.aspx?XRC=M-IPROW810
Android KitKat version: http://smartpad.mediacomeurope.it/Prodotti/Scheda.aspx?XRC=M-IPRO810B
Same hardware, different OS. Would it be possible?
no... not possible...
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no... not possible...
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May I know why? Since it is not an hardware issue, which is the reason behind this "NO"?
I think an explanation would be very useful for everyone, since until know the most common reason was "HW is different".
Thanks! :good:
because not possible... maybe phone have identical hardware but hardware not 100% same...
also did you know difference between Windows Phone 8.x, Windows 8.x RT and Windows 8.x? because your question, you dont...
dxdy said:
because not possible... maybe phone have identical hardware but hardware not 100% same...
also did you know difference between Windows Phone 8.x, Windows 8.x RT and Windows 8.x? because your question, you dont...
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So still an HW problem.
Quite a shame, from a customer point of view, since lots of users seems to like WP8 experience but are not willing to abandon their Android device / exti their Android confort zone.
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By the way, yes I know the difference. I purpotedly wrote WP8 and not W8RT or W8.
I know they are not identical, which by the way means " Exactly equal and alike", 100% the same
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first problem (in every device if you want boot other OS or dualboot) is bootloader... manufacturer by default not make possible to load other OS... and here all stops... without bootloader hardware and others not important in that story....
if hackers (developers) make alternative bootloader for device to load other OS now come problems with hardware, drivers and other software problems... and there no custom ROM's for WP8 devices...
this is in short described way you cant load other OS... about this can write few pages but in basics this is all what you need to know... if manufacturer not want you to choose different OS you cant do anything about this...
[LATEST] Chromecast -Prerooted w/ Android 4.4.2 Google Play & Kodi -PREINSTALLED
yup that's what i'm trying to suggest if you have any advice info plz contribute.
if anyone could sry i didn't look everywhere i figured i would come to the source.
+whats the maximum hdd space and type of file system and HDD used on the chromecast?
+can a slimbean or similar custom firmware be modified to run play services directly from chromecast?
can someone explain the ARM x86 of the chromecast? is that what this is built on?
and how it differs from standard droid or the method in which it can be combined
into a custom android rom such as for a tablet.
if someone comes up with this i would buy baked bored all day xD preloaded with kodi and 5.0+
What are you even talking about? What does "I would buy baked bored all day" mean?
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What are you even talking about? What does "I would buy baked bored all day" mean?
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oh sorry i mean if a manufacturer such as google or a private kickstarter for example created a device utilizing the wireless hdmi dongle but had a full os running (preferably baked or preinstalled on the processor itself) like android slimbean. you could have the drivers and minimum defaults baked into the processor but write all upgrade data and what not to the prerooted system drive.
basically im just saying this could be far better if we unlocked the potential.
i use bluestacks and do something very similar already via a pc but that's just me and it's is a process.
as far as ease of use their could be nothing better than a custom rom for chromecast with android 5.0 rooted and preinstalled. if know one can see that clearly i am in the wrong place.
just a thought i love google but it would be pretty amazing to see chromecast (or similar software) put onto a flash drive than transferred to a smart wifi enabled tv via sd slot or usb. i mean I REALIZE that does not exist. it sure would be cool if it did. woulda saved me $35 bucks and a buggy peace of hardware with many stability issues on older hdmi versions.
edit.... yes it would be a massive overhaul of chromecast and require much more work if is even possible to make compatible large scale. i am very thankful with what i have.. just making an offering (like all my posts) to the internet.
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Thanks!