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Advatanges of Empty Ext. Rom

I've tried looking around for the answer to this but I guess I keep missing it. From what I'm good find the only reason one would have an empty Ext. Rom is to have more rom space on the phone. But not even sure what good that would do exactly.
Can anyone share some light and infom me please?

AFAIK
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang

On what seems like every phone except the wizard, you can write to the ext rom, install apps to it, etc. That was the case with my old Blue Angel phone, anyway. With the wizard, you can't write to it without trashing it so the only thing it's really good for is when creating a custom rom, you can stick stuff in there to be installed after the flash or hard reset. Then it's basically useless. Woo hoo, huh?

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bhang said:
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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i am also looking into doing the same thing.. like you mentioned i think the only thing its good for is to have your programs after a hard reset, it would certainly be more conveniant, not to mention i would like to remove some of the cingular garbage that gets added...

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bhang said:
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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I fully agree with you on that. One of the major things I hate about flashing a new rom and having to re-install all the apps 1 by . To be able to hard reset with all the programs install would definitely top notch.

Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
Thanks

sajib said:
Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
Thanks
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It would be brilliant if someone could do this. But there are different kinds of storage on WM5 devices, which is why the allocation slider between storage and program memory in the memory panel is not operational. So I'm not sure that the recovered memory would be usable as program memory... maybe just add some storage memory. Just not sure...

what we need to do is get a fresh rom, xelencin's 2.25 tmob is what Im thinking of using, then I want to take out
excel
power point
calender
contacts
tasks
file explorer?(it might pay to keep this just in case)
that should be a good start, then Im gonna try to add to the ROM,
Pocket informant
resco explorer and regedit
Hitchhiker
spb pocketplus
I think Im just gonna use the ext rom that comes with the above mentioned rom, so ill add any apps that i cant fit into my "edited" ROM into the EXT rom, i think i should be able to add them to the "stock" extrom
I have tons of reading to do before I think I'll have a rom Im willing to flash to my wiz, is there an emulator for pc to test roms before flashing them?
Is all of this possible, with available tools?, from what Ive read it is but somebody tell me if im wrong...
bhang

im a noob at this... i have only made 1 successful rom so far and it was just the extended rom that i changed.. So let me share some light on yours to the best of my knowledge so far...
Now as far as excel, PP, Calendar, tasks and file explorer.. i think they are actually part of the OS and not in the extended rom. Cause if you take a clean rom with 1 or 2 files in the extended rom like Mulski's then you still end up with all of those programs.. (someone please correct me if im wrong)
And as far as what you want to add.. Yes thats possible, you would need to add those to the extended rom (but not on the device) Do some searching on what you need to to.. there are some great threads out there that give you step by step instructions... which for some reason i cant find at this point in time... was gonna give you the link, but i just spent 30 minutes searching and cant the thread with a pdf of step by step instructions on making a rom...

I think I read that's what Summiter is overall aiming to do. Make so we can choose what we want. I can definitely use a feature like removing powerpoint and the rest of the stuff I never use.

Critical Low Memory Msg - What can I delete from OEM T-Mo ROM?

So I keep getting this message pop up. I had un-installed a few things already that I added in (mainly .cabs)
Are there ANY OEM files that I can SAFELY delete? I dont use My Fav's.
When I look into the "Remove Programs" setting the ones that stand out are:
T-Mobile Email Wizard 1.0
T-Mobile Hotspot Login Utility
Winwap Technologies for t-zones
What are those?
Do you guys have any other suggestions on what to remove to free up more memory?
Thanks!
oh yeah...I already have Cleaner installed too.

VooDoo1 said:
So I keep getting this message pop up. I had un-installed a few things already that I added in (mainly .cabs)
Are there ANY OEM files that I can SAFELY delete? I dont use My Fav's.
When I look into the "Remove Programs" setting the ones that stand out are:
T-Mobile Email Wizard 1.0
T-Mobile Hotspot Login Utility
Winwap Technologies for t-zones
What are those?
Do you guys have any other suggestions on what to remove to free up more memory?
Thanks!
oh yeah...I already have Cleaner installed too.
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I used to have the same problem. I uninstalled most of my software and had every cache cleared yet it still said I was low on memory. My best suggestion would be to flash your phone with a custom rom. Your wing will run how its supposed to without the additional crap that T-mobile adds in there. I use the Open Touch roms by TTRAN and I love it!

Yes, The stock T-Mobile rom is really bad. You should flash one of the roms from here. At very least change your Pagepool size to 6 or 4.

zcink said:
Yes, The stock T-Mobile rom is really bad. You should flash one of the roms from here. At very least change your Pagepool size to 6 or 4.
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I completely agree. You're honestly wasting your time with the stock rom because it is completely useless.

Before you flash...
Go to \windows, make a new folder called "disabled." Then move all of the links from \windows\startup to the disabled folder. Reboot and see what that does for you. With the 6mb page pool and the stock rom, i had 24mb of free ram.

did y'all answer voodo's question... confused
Newbie here. this is all goin over my head. I'm havin the same problem as voodoo. do i hafta dowload more cabs to clear my memory? What is a Flash Rom? i just need to know how i can clear some memory and remove things without messin up my phone. Can i get some guidance here please?

There isn't a cab to clear your memory. I could make one... and you'd have to change your pagepool... but you're better off installing a better ROM.

What should you delete from the Rom? How about the rom itself! Go with the Open Touch 3.0 biggy on here. i absolutely love it! Works amazingly fast in comparison to the stock rom. I have more options, better performance and it's not limited like the stock rom.

ditch that rom, before you get frustrated with the wing... I almost sold mine 3 times because of the oem rom aint nuthing... If it wasnt for flashing the rom my wing would have been a soona

VooDoo1 said:
So I keep getting this message pop up. I had un-installed a few things already that I added in (mainly .cabs)
Are there ANY OEM files that I can SAFELY delete? I dont use My Fav's.
When I look into the "Remove Programs" setting the ones that stand out are:
T-Mobile Email Wizard 1.0
T-Mobile Hotspot Login Utility
Winwap Technologies for t-zones
What are those?
Do you guys have any other suggestions on what to remove to free up more memory?
Thanks!
oh yeah...I already have Cleaner installed too.
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Ok we see the best choice is a better rom . But lets just say you dont want a better rom . Why you dont I could not guess. But if you want all of the t-mobile garbage gone real simple hard reset the phone and when it comes time for t-mobile to do the set up press the reset button . There you just by-passed all of t-mobiles garbage from being installed. Another option you have is to install your extras on a sd card .....

fghi107 said:
what do you think about it?FLY D5
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Think about what ????

Flash ROM or Not?

I've had a Wing for about a year now (t-mobile). During this time I never really read much about modding the phone and such. However, it is a bit plain and very slow if anything is open.
I've been reading a lot and recently changed the pagepool size and am now working on using PocketMechanic to move stuff to the flash card. I do however have a couple questions:
Should I flash my wing or just optimize how it is now? What is a good home screen I can download that doesn't kill my battery life? What will I be losing if I flash? Do all the ROMs kill my battery life? How can I choose the right ROM for me? I can't decide after reading over a lot of them.
I know someone is going to say use the search. I have and have been reading for hours lastnight. If someone can just help a bit I'd be much appreciated.

i would definatly flash your rom, i would use one of the open touch roms they all have good battery life. flashing your wing is like optimizing without having to take the time to find the programs and do the registry tweaks. a good homescreen i think is spb mobile shell, just make sure you disable smart gestures, i usuall can go around 2.5 days without charging.

Downside?
Are there any downsides to doing this?

Cant think of any downsides, its all for a good cause, oh one downside, you might lose your applications you've downloaded if any. Other than that its WAY better that the original T-Mo ROM

You've been wasting your time using the original stock rom. Flash a new rom (I reccommend ITJE or ASERGs) and you're going to see a 2 fold improvement on your phone immediately.

the one downside is that if you dont follow the directions you could brick your phone

So I tried a number of ROMs today:
-Papa
-Multiple versions of the Open Touch ROMs
Here is my conclusion and thoughts. Perhaps you guys can guide me a bit to a final solution.
They all look beautiful without a doubt. I didn't have any initial problems loading or using any of them except the lock program wasn't locking the volume control. However, just do perform quick tasks like I normally do to lock the phone or go to the comm manager felt like a chore to do. They looked nice, but I had to go through a lot to do anything. The Open Touch ROMs with Throttle Launcher were annoying when viewing mail because you could only quickly see 1 at a time with the large mail that pops up when you click the icon.
I really like the look of the SPG Shell Theme they have right on their homepage, but it's not free. Any of you guys have advice? I use this for work a lot so the mail / calendar / tasks view are really beneficial for me to be viewable at all times like the default theme. This is why I was saying SPG looked nice with whatever theme it is they have on their site.
I will try an Aserg on my phone tomorrow as it looks similar to the default.
Anyways, thanks in advanced for all of the help so far. I really appreciate it.

You'll be very satisfied with Aserg's rom. I look foward to hearing what you think.
Keep in mind, any rom you flash, you'll have to set up a couple of things ... such as the device lock today plugin .. settings, etc ... don't expect a rom to fulfill ALL of your needs from the moment its flashed. When you get into a new car, you still have to adjust the seat, mirrors, steering wheel ..etc.. You can't decide to scrap one car because the mirrors weren't in the position you wanted them to be.

Known bugs with the latest 6.5 rom for Wing/Herald

I decided to make this about things you cant do with 6.5 at the moment. And certain things u can do.
If u delete any of the themes that come installed with the rom, all 6.5 style menus will revert back to original 6.1 style, and the only way to get it back is Hard reset.
If you dont want any themes to install jus push the soft reset when auto config runs for the first time. thats a easy work around.
Any registry editing to the network icons will disable your internet connection. Change it back to get it back.
Any editing done to titanium like removing a plugin will remove it, and im not if its recoverable.
Battery status is not compatible with Titanium.
Any editing in HKLM/System/GWE will have unstable effects. "mostly graphics related"
Activating menu animations will work but for some reason the top text isnt visible in all the soft key menus, it will also slow 6.5 down a little. It looks nice though. And gwes.exe will eat a lot of ram!
And im not sure but increasing the threshold seems like it speeds up 6.5 up a little.
These are my personal hacks settings, on getting more ram! Ok guys here are the registry edits I've made. There the ones "I've" made. So dont do it if you need wat i deleted. So here it goes, Go to....
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOFTWARE/MICROSOFT/-Delete OutlookLive. -Delete PresetMsgs in
HKEY_CURRENT_USER/SOFTWARE/MICROSOFT/Inbox.
Now go to, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/init/-Delete Launch91, Launch92, Launch98.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Services/-Delete OutlookEnhancement -Delete Windows Live.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft-Delete Speech, Voice Command.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/HTC/-Delete, HTCHomeplug, SlidingSound, VOICESETTING,
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/System/GDI/GLYPHCACHE/ DWORD limit from 131072 to 8192.
Thats all i have come across so far. You can add more tweaks if you want. I thought us wing users could use something like this for info on what tweaks work and what doesnt. Ill be adding more as i play with the registry more. Theres a lot of new stuff in the registry, but its mostly graphic related.

how do you get to: HKLM/Software/OEM/TFLOSettings/EnableScrolling/Dword1 to 0

figured it out. thanx

what kind of registry editing to the network icons will disable internet connection? i dont want my phone to connect to GPRS, this happens alot bc i forget to turn on wifi and when i use my browser, the phone will connect to gprs, even though i dont have a data plan but i will get charged. currently using Ivanmmj's latest 6.5 ROM, if someone could help me out that'll be great. thanks

gotanewphone said:
what kind of registry editing to the network icons will disable internet connection? i dont want my phone to connect to GPRS, this happens alot bc i forget to turn on wifi and when i use my browser, the phone will connect to gprs, even though i dont have a data plan but i will get charged. currently using Ivanmmj's latest 6.5 ROM, if someone could help me out that'll be great. thanks
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Just remove the APN's. (Go to your settings, connections and remove all the connection settings. That way the phone won't know how to do anything.)

thanks but unfortunately removing those setting disables the phones abilities to send/receive MMS. thanks anyways tho. cant wait for your next build of 6.5, current one uses too much memory so im using juststable micro ROM. Awesome work

gotanewphone said:
thanks but unfortunately removing those setting disables the phones abilities to send/receive MMS. thanks anyways tho. cant wait for your next build of 6.5, current one uses too much memory so im using juststable micro ROM. Awesome work
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Don't remove the MMS APN, just the data APN. Then make sure you don't check "connects to the internet" in the last tab of the APN settings.
Yea, unfortunately, 6.5 is meant for devices with a lot more RAM than our devices have. There might not be a fix for that. :-/

WhatzinyourphonE said:
I decided to make this about things you cant do with 6.5 at the moment. And certain things u can do.
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Any editing done to titanium like removing a plugin will remove it, and im not if its recoverable.
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I am having a slightly different problem...I think anyway...with the today screen. Is the default justhome 6.5 today screen considered titanium, or is it something else? I tried to remove and add a couple panels using the chome configurator, which had no effect whatsoever.
If i go into the registry and just delete the panels that i don't want is it going to disable the panels entirely, as mentioned in the first post, or should i be able to get away with that. I really don't want to have to hard reset again.
I already tried installing the "WM7_titanium project" cab with pretty much the same lack of results as the default skin and had to hard reset just to get it back to normal.

I've gotten BatteryStatus to work with my 6.5 flashed Wing.
It seems to install no problem, but then if you try to run the program, it glitches (at least, that's what I was running into).
What you need to do is go to settings>Today>Items, disable 'Windows Default", and enable "Battery Status". This will drop the typical 6.5 interface and your screen will JUST have the little battery status bar.
Then go back into programs>battery status (it should work this time) and make whatever changes you wish. Then reverse the above re: the today screen, and you should be in good shape.
At your own risk, as always.

Suggest a Rom and GUI for me.

OK, my first post so be gentle.
I have MDA Vario that has been flashed with TPCElite series V11 MEGA wm6.5 23017. It also has the touchflo GUI running. Now having tried it for a week (only just purchased it a week ago) I can say that I'm not a fan of the touchflo prog. It seems to hang on occasions and I often end up selecting something I didn't want only to find the phone connecting to the net. So I have switched it off. There is a windows default one that is working fine, but I can't see a way to customise the menu so I can add what I want to it.
So my dilemma. Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards - this way I can uninstall it if I don't like it. Or should I just leave it deselected and install a new one? Will this have any performance/memory issues - ie is the lite rom a better way to go.
I had a Mio PDA with iLauncher on it and I liked the ability to add my own shortcuts etc.
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI? Been looking at Manila 2D v2 but I want to be able to customise the main menu and I don't want it sluggish.
One final thing. Is it possible to get the phone to ask permission before connecting via gprs rather than scurrying around for the disconnect. I've looked through the menus but can't find anything. Don't mind using it if I want it, just fed up of it dialing it by mistake -(I have sausage fingers.)

i recommend the t.i.r element v5 rom. ive been thru many roms including the tpc series that you have tried and i find that t.i.r element v5 is the best w/ smooth graphics, great gui (full landscape support etc.) i cant post a link as of now since i am new to posting on xda so please look it up and give it a shot!

Is there a CLI version of a rom for this phone or is someone just trying too sound fancy? Since when is touchflu a GUI? I am totally confused.
Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards
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Uh my head is hurting make it stop.. SOMEONE REPLIED TO THIS?? awmg
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI
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I am so confused, it's like trying to mess with a womans bra (Full Landscape support) for the first time, what do I do.. do I call her new hair doo a pair of panties? AAAHHHHHHHH
Stylez close this **** down.. REASON.... Doesn't make any sense at all..
I used the GUI version of this forum to reply.. Thanks.

hi DTBrum,
touchflo - i never liked it too, don't know which files are responsible for its running and if it could be removed, seems like it's part of needed htc drivers to me, but this will switch it off completely:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"EnableScroll"=dword:00000000
"EnableCube"=dword:00000000
you need a registry editor to change those values.
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you can't replace gui, or you can theoretically but what you mean is sort of launcher, or today manager. I tried more and didn't like any, they all seems to be laggy to me.
windows in default uses today screen and start menu, it's the same way as in pc edition, there are folders with shortcuts in them for start menu
look in \windows\start menu folder. and on today screen, you can set what you want to see there in settings/today
I use start replacement called quickmenu which is a very small prg with lots of tweaks.
if you don't like those fancy launchers and controls, better you make your own rom. it's very easy with tools from xda. nearly all custom roms lite or full you'll find here have some kind of launchers and today replacement already in them and it's hard to remove or disable them.
there is a lot of different apps like iLauncher, you can install/uninstall.
no one will recommend you any custom rom here, you need to go through trying one after another because everybody's preferences differs. look in wiki.
automatic connect. no, there is no way to disable this. you can use app called 'nodata' but then you'll have to run it to enable/disable every time you want to use internet. But it solves problems in roaming.
Some programs can be set to not auto dial. and another option is, you can set a fake internet connection, make it default and then when you want to go online you'll dial the real one manually. But you may find that some programs would not want to use other then default connection.
and don't get discouraged here on forum, some people are smart here, true, but not all of us here get born that way.

Thankx for the replies.
What I found with touchflo was that there are occasions where I try to scroll from left to right and nothing happens, then all of a sudden I find it has selected something like maps or internet and the phone is trying to connect to the net. Then it starts responding normally. So as a front end user interface for me I'm not that keen on it. Also I can't see a way to remove the categories sucj as maps, and add my own. I have a registry editor and will try changing the values suggested and see if that helps. I'll do a search for the other bits recommended.
Apologies ChumleyEX, not sure if I used the correct terminology. For me a program such as touchflo is an alternative GUI that sits on top of the windows GUI. Just want to know if there are better, more reliable ones. Doesn't have to be fancy. I want to be able to customise it and for it to be quick and responsive.

Sorry I'm sure I was too harsh, I was feeling a little too good last night.

No problem ChumleyEX - no harm done.
Papo - thanks for you time and help, you cleared a few things up for me. Registry edited and touchflo now disabled.
As I said I've only had this device a week and only just found this site recently, so I'm not really up on the terminology so I'm hoping you can look past my shortcomings please. I'll get there. I'm no novice with pc's or pda's but I'm not in the same league as most people on here I admit.
My question about installing an alternative to touchflo was because some of these other programs such as ilauncher like to be installed to the device memory rather than storage card. I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that. I have no option to remove touchflo.
I was hoping that by describing what I was after people would recommend something that fits the bill. But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of. There is some really nice work here on this site - so tempted to give it a go. I guess we all like different things so it's a matter of personal choice really. Key for me is functionality/responsiveness. It's no good if the interface gets in the way no matter how good it looks.
Off to read some reviews of roms on here now. I'll check out t.i.r element v5 as suggested by agent1001 first.

dude, stop fretting and just try out as many ROMs as you can...and remember to search and read a LOT! it will help in the long run to build your concepts.
i have TWO more suggestions/clarifications for you:
1. you might have big fingers, but what i suspect is that you are using your device as if it has a capacitive screen...which it doesn't. the kaiser (like many htc phones) has a resistive screen. essentially, what this means is that the screen will respond best with a good amount of pressure, applied at a point. so the best suggestion i can give you that will tremendously improve your experience with the device is...use your finger NAILS! the effect is as if you are using a stylus and once you get used to it, any "GUI" will become usable.
2. what you call a "GUI" is not a GUI, technically. this is what chumleyex was alluding to. these "GUIs" run as today screen plugins. they are just that...they are "today screen plugins"...also called "home screen" in other contexts of discussion. you can have many such plugins installed on your device. you can even have many such plugins running at once on your today screen. however, some take over the today screen completely, so you can only use them exclusively. manila2d/manila3d, spb mobile shell, and quite a few others are such kinds of today screen plugins. installing multiple such plugins only takes up storage space. RUNNING multiple such plugins is like running many applications at once...which will consume memory and may slow down the phone, etc, etc.
as always, you should have read the forum rules...which clearly state that "best of" threads or "suggest me a <insert requirement here>" style threads are against the forum rules. which leads me to believe that you probably haven't read the other "stickies" and "wikis" either. start there and then you'll find yourself asking a lot less basic questions that clutter up the forum. don't be surprised if this thread is closed soon by a forum mod. cheers.

Thanks ASCIIker - screen is more responsive with more pressure. Guess I was worried about cracking it.
I did do loads of reading before posting - mainly to do with how to, hard spl, soft spl, roms, radio threads. Sorry if I missed the bit about asking for recommendations.

DTBrum said:
I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that.
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I get the feeling that you think those fancy things in full custom ROMs are taking up space. they are not. and not using them, disabling them, or deleting shortcuts from start menu would do the same as uninstalling.
you've got:
flash memory - (ROM)
int. memory - think about it as HDD: depends, typicaly little over 100MB
RAM, operating memory, like on PC another 100MB: to be used by progs.
those names differs, to add confusion, some refers to int.memory as ROM
MS bloatware & fancy stuff from custom ROMs which you don't want could still rest in peace in ROM and not bothering you. you'll still have your 100MB int.mem. And as long as they are not actively running you still will have 100 RAM and no processor power used. but exactly like mentioned every plugin on today screen means it's running too. get an fdc task manager or alternative to see all processes and other stuff running. (not just tasks) You can find a way to disable nearly everything.
I have no option to remove touchflo.
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I don't think there is any. even with ultra lite, i could be mistaken with this, but i tried hard and it looks like it's part of required htc drivers. so you only could disable it...at least! i hated it too no matter about fingers. it seems better on htc pro2 anyway.
But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of.
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yep, the look would be the main difference i'll say.
but if you want functionality/responsiveness, than you probably better stick with using start button and today screen without unnecessary additions.
* installing on SD card means it will go much slower and (at least on my kaiser) will sometime create errors on card from crashed apps and when I dropped phone or it died w/o shutdown or when contacts on SD card get loosed. many times I even lost complete SD contents.
You have 100MB of int.mem!! it would love to be used by progs.
I suggest you to try all of available and up-to-date custom ROMs then after getting an idea of what is doing what, just mix your own rom. it's a matter of check-in what you want inside basically. and you can add your own stuff too. like programs you buy or are not in any ROM. I have over 110MB of programs fitted in ROM and still 100MB int.mem. and speed of the device and ram is not affected too, because i let only 3 - 4 apps from that running in background.

Well I've tried flashing it and had to visit the toilet as things didn't go well.
I flashed with a lite rom, plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install a nice front end/today screen/touchflo etc to the device when I settled on one I liked.
Rom flashed fine - quite like it.
Radio didn't go well. Got stuck at the dreaded tri coloured screen.
Mtty.exe didn't recover it either.
Visited toilet.
Flashed back to standard rom from manufacturer. All now back up and running.
Have changed underpants.
At least I was able to use the info on here to get it back up and running OK.
Problem was a write error flashing the suggested radio - at 99% got an error 226.

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plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install
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check my previous post.
try flashing from SD card, a lot of troubles with cable/pc/connector
format small (256MB) SD card with FAT32,
rename ruu_signed.nbh file to KAISIMG.NBH place on root of SD
hold camera button and start or reset pda

I think to be honest I'm a little paranoid about keeping the device memory free. The reason is my wife has an O2 Orbit which was running wm5. It has been updated to WM6 and she has very little free storage memory at all on the device to the point where we have struggled getting some programs installed. I know most give you the option to install to storage card or device, but some don't. Also the ones that do install on the storage card often put some files onto the device, such as help or configuration files.
I know this HTC has a lot more memory so it probably isn't an issue in reality.
I'm up to speed about the different types of memory and whether an app is consuming processing power or just storage space depending upon if it running or not. I just didn't have a chance to read your reply before I posted- wife wanted the PC back. And I was relieved just to have the phone back working.
Papo - thanks for you help. Really appreciate it.

I had my tilt for 2 years and never worried about memory.

OK, flashed the phone a couple of times yesterday and I've now found a rom I like a lot. Even the GUI - touchflo - works like a dream and with the programs that came with the rom I can even customise it how I like. It's smooth, quick and I am yet to discover a bug.
I'll give it a run for a couple of weeks and if I decide to keep this then I'll donate.
Interestingly I flashed back to stock rom from T Mobile through links I found on here. Worked without a problem, provided a 6ft+ 16stone bloke is happy with everything in pink. So I then flashed back to the standard HTC rom wm6.1 and had lots of problems. Basic things like selecting tick boxes didn't even work well.
I understand that everyone wants different things from their phones, how they look etc and that is why it is impossible to say which rom is best. But through this site, I have a customised phone that runs so smooth and quickly and looks damn smart. So at the moment I am well chuffed.
The only really difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them and the backup I took was incomplete as I only backed up the sim and not the phone. D'oh. Anyway I've now sorted this out as I found all the old contacts in outlook deleted items. I restored them back to the contacts folder and synced them again and it's all now back up and running.
Off to have a play
If she lets me I may even flash the wifes O2 Orbit XDA. It's been upgraded from wm5 to wm6 and the new rom leaves very little free memory on the device itself and we do struggle at times getting some software onto it. The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device. I have manually moved it back to the SD card and made new shortcuts etc, but I feel a new rom from this site would be the way to go.
Thank you to all who helped me.

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difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them
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activeSync & outlook played tricks on me too, deleting or doubling all contacts... even easier than backing up by backup program, is to copy 'RAW' database in pda before re-flashing. it's all in one file called PIM.VOL in root of phone. calendar is there as well. you can copy this to SD and upon reflashing copy back to root of pda and see what PC's outlook will have to say to it. or just keep on SD as 2nd backup.
note, the file may be locked by running programs (contacts, messages, home plugin) kill them from taskman in that case.
The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device.
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tomtom app is two files tomtom nav.exe and data.chk, put them anywhere you like and the rest, config files, will be created by it.
but it runs really slow from SD. and taking 13MB, so again, it's best to have them in ROM.