Is charging our Kaisers from the PC ok? How much power does the USB provide to the Kaiser? Same as the standard adapter? I am asking this because I found no answer on the forum and I would prefer to load it directly from the PC every time rather than keep using the standard charger and putting it in the power outlet.
my advice for you to stop this option
because normaly we keep the phone connected to the pc for a long time and it makes the phone in charging mode all the time and iam sure that will make the battery dies fast
stop this option by disabling it from the battery options you can see it by clicking on the battery icon on the start bar
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My phone has been plugged in to the USB at work all day, 5 days a week, for 5 months now. I can still get about 2 days out of the battery when I need to - for instance, after unplugging it each Friday at 5 I usually won't have to charge it until the same time on Sunday, the only time it generally does get plugged into the wall charger. I'm pretty sure my battery performance is still on a par with most people's - ie, not amazing, but quite livable with. It's certainly not showing any signs of harm from overcharging.
Boinng said:
My phone has been plugged in to the USB at work all day, 5 days a week, for 5 months now. I can still get about 2 days out of the battery when I need to - for instance, after unplugging it each Friday at 5 I usually won't have to charge it until the same time on Sunday, the only time it generally does get plugged into the wall charger. I'm pretty sure my battery performance is still on a par with most people's - ie, not amazing, but quite livable with. It's certainly not showing any signs of harm from overcharging.
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Same here.. no problems. I don't even know where my charger is.
I charge mine from the PC all day too, and it stops charging when its at 100%. The bottom line is this: a USB port delivers a minimum of 500ma at 5v, the wall charger is probably very close if not more than that. The charging circuit in the phone does all the work of converting the 5dc into a charging voltage/current required by the battery, usually ramping up and down. Theres no difference other than maximum current between a USB port and ANY 5vdc adapter.
Wall wart gives 5V/1A. USB at 5V/500mA will not harm your battery. If you're using the standard battery, USB charging is appropriate to keep it topped up.
RMD
Isn't the constant charging of the batter bad for it?
I mean you charge it use it for a while then hook it up again and so on, isnt it better for the battery if you wait until it says that you have to recharge it?
According to my BatteryStatus, my wall charger gives me around +500-600mA (depending on programs running) and USB 2.0 charging from the front port on my computer gives about +100-300mA (depending on what's plugged into the computer and program usage).
Insaneboy said:
Isn't the constant charging of the batter bad for it?
I mean you charge it use it for a while then hook it up again and so on, isnt it better for the battery if you wait until it says that you have to recharge it?
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That was a nicad battery issue lithium batteries do not have that issue.
-McMex
i think the point here is not if you charge it by usb or charger
for many people as they said it goes as well ok but it's an old advice used to be known that it's not good for your battery health to be on the charger all the time
also the same fact that it's always better to let the battery goes empty before you recharge it again some people have the sickness of recharging batteries when it's just gets 5 percent less , then they immaditaly start to recharge it again and this is a big mistake because in the long period the first levels of the battery start to die because they have never been used
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That was a nicad battery issue lithium batteries do not have that issue.
-McMex
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Didn't know that.
Thanks.
haam1978 said:
the same fact that it's always better to let the battery goes empty before you recharge it again some people have the sickness of recharging batteries when it's just gets 5 percent less , then they immaditaly start to recharge it again and this is a big mistake because in the long period the first levels of the battery start to die because they have never been used
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Actually, its quite the opposite of what you say. If you let Lithium batteries discharge all the way, they will loose their capacity faster.
The following link will back up my claim:
http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Relevant quote: "Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns."
usb v wall charger
My kaiser
wall charger charges battery from flat (1%) in 1 hour
USB on PC takes 4 hours to go from 15 to 80%, only over night did it get to 100%.
I use wall charger everyday now.
axonn said:
Is charging our Kaisers from the PC ok? How much power does the USB provide to the Kaiser? Same as the standard adapter? I am asking this because I found no answer on the forum and I would prefer to load it directly from the PC every time rather than keep using the standard charger and putting it in the power outlet.
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i use the pc option especially when i am traveling and only have my portable. When using my portable, i plug my phone in to get a charge... i like this option as it saves me from having to lug around another adaptor as well as being able to charge my phone just off the batteries of my portable at any time,,,, good option
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It's fine. It just takes longer to charge, especially if you're transferring a lot of data.
With the lithium ion chemistry, it is very detrimental to the battery if you let it run down to empty all the time. The batteries do not like this at all and will exhaust much quicker this way. If you were to store the batteries, you should store them at 40% in a cool place as that would only lose 2% of life per year I believe. At 100% storage, you can lost 20% a year of life. A little reading at that battery university website goes a long way
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With the lithium ion chemistry, it is very detrimental to the battery if you let it run down to empty all the time. The batteries do not like this at all and will exhaust much quicker this way. If you were to store the batteries, you should store them at 40% in a cool place as that would only lose 2% of life per year I believe. At 100% storage, you can lost 20% a year of life. A little reading at that battery university website goes a long way
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So what happens when your battery that you leave stored at 100% loses 20% a year and a few years later it hits 40%?
Battery
haam1978: You are surely right for NiMh. But I don't know about Li-Ion. Time will tell. For now, I prefer to do it your way: discharge almost completely, BUT NOT TO 0%. Mostly to 5 - 10%. But the problem is that my stupid Windows doesn't report the life of the battery accurately ::- (. I got a Mugen 3000 Mah batt...
rotohammer & johnny13oi: Interesting website indeed. Unfortunately as I told haam, I can't get an accurate battery reading for this huge battery I got. Anyway, I'm still reviewing it ::- D.
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Actually, its quite the opposite of what you say. If you let Lithium batteries discharge all the way, they will loose their capacity faster.
The following link will back up my claim:
http://batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Relevant quote: "Avoid frequent full discharges because this puts additional strain on the battery. Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory. (In this respect, lithium-ion differs from nickel-based batteries.) Short battery life in a laptop is mainly cause by heat rather than charge / discharge patterns."
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100% correct.
On a side note, my kaiser will get fully charged way faster when connected to the wall as opposed to USB. (always connected to a desktop with a real big UPS).
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( meaning how many months before the battery loses storage capability, as opposed to "battery life" - how many hours until you run out of juice )
There are a lot of battery/charger threads, and some bright person actually looked up the TI charger circuit documentation, but I don't see anyone who has looked up what a li-ion battery needs to have a long lifetime.
So, I found information at:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Interesting tidbits:
- Charging to 100% means that you can use the device longer the next day, but is not necessarily best for the battery itself. Frequent partial charges are just fine, and are actually better for the battery.
- It seems to be particularly important for Li-ion battery charging to be turned off when you get to 100%. The LED turning green in the NC cable shows that the system is taking care of this (so you can safely charge overnight without damaging the battery).
Connecting the NC to another system that does not stop applying current at 100% charged seems to definitely be a bad idea. So, don't use any system overnight, that the NC does not recognize as "charging".
This indicates that charging from a laptop USB may "work" but may be bad long-term for the battery. Here it depends on whether the TI charging circuit is sophisticated enough to adapt to the non-standard condition. Since the charging indicators do not indicate "charging" then the answer may be "no", and while you are getting the battery charged up, it may not be in the best way. (This seems to be an area for more research about the actual NC charging system.)
- The critical part is to not use a USB cable or other charging system that is not recognized by the NC, when the NC is close to 100% charge, to make sure that it doesn't overcharge the battery. As the article states:
Li-ion cannot absorb overcharge, and when fully charged the charge current must be cut off. A continuous trickle charge would cause plating of metallic lithium, and this could compromise safety. To minimize stress, keep the lithium-ion battery at the 4.20V/cell peak voltage as short a time as possible.
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- So, in summary, I think that a different brand of charger is okay as long as the NC recognizes it as "charging", and one should avoid charging in situations where you are "fooling" the NC by charging the battery when the NC is not noticing.
I honestly had no clue about this lol, thanks!
This might save a lot of headaches with "bad batteries" in the long run.
Thanks for this! Very interesting.
Well said, ADude. I'm so used to having to go onto forums and set people straight on the "myth's" of battery charging, but you hit it right on. The most important thing to remember is that overcharging drains your battery life (but most modern tech has auto off, in which it goes into a low power mode that allows for a stable current to just keep it around 99%), there is no benefit to letting your nook (or any other device) die completely before charging again, as there is not benefit to charging fully (or not charging fully) in the long run.
Thanks again!
LiIon likes being charged early and often... Don't run it down to 20-30% every time, it'll only shorten the overall battery. If it's down to 40-50% at the end of the night, put it on the charger.
Mine lasts 3 or so days before it gets near 40%.
Hi folks,
Been searching for a hack or tool to disable usb charging while connecting device to laptop usb port to prolong battery life. But to my disappointment, there's none at the moment
Aren't there any solution for this at all from the developers?
So far, the only tool that I've googled is USB Charge Commander but that doesn't work on Galaxy S
It's designed for ZTE Blade/Orange San Francisco handset only.
Appreciate for any tips given. Thanks!
Sassy,
there is no need for such a tool. Since you are using a Lithium-ion battery this would NOT prolong your battery life. This type of battery has no such thing as a memory effect. The battery will take no damage if you charge it every time. You don´t have to wait till it is fully empty. Actually, if you discharge your battery completely every time, it may cause shorter battery life in the end...
Have Fun
Chris
How about this for a reason:
I don't want the phone to charge off of my laptop which itself is running off of a battery, but I do need a USB connection for application debugging. My laptop's battery does not last nearly as long as my phone, so I would prefer that the phone does not charge via USB when my laptop is running on batteries.
No solution?
USB charging shortens battery life
Indeed, I've been looking for such a solution of USB connection without charging for my Galaxy S. I also came across a suggestion of clipping the power +5V wire of the USB cable which I believe would not work as that would disable the detection of USB connection.
Back to the battery life of lithium battery, we know that partial discharge is fine as there is no memory effect. However, every discharging cycle matters and counts if we believe the info from the Battery University page, Table 2 (batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries). According to the test and assumptions, if we charge the battery at 10% of Depth of Discharging (or approx. 90% of capacity), we have 4700 cycles before the battery is worn out. Yeah, 4700 seems a big number. It is not that big if we connect our phone via USB to a PC very often.
We don't know the exact no. of discharge/charge cycles a li-ion battery on our mobile phone can tolerates before its end of life. If you believe EVERY CYCLE COUNTS, you'd better find a solution.
Franky
You can try using File Expert https://market.android.com/details?id=xcxin.filexpert&feature=related_apps for accessing the files via WIFI or connect your phone via Bluetooth.
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My laptop's battery does not last nearly as long as my phone, so I would prefer that the phone does not charge via USB when my laptop is running on batteries.
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Typical laptop batteries are around the 4.4Ah mark, the phone draws 95mA from the USB port while charging. This means you could charge your phone continuously for 46 hours off a typical laptop. You won't notice the difference in practical usage at all. This is about the same amount of power as your laptop CPU doing actual work for a few minutes. There are many other factors that have a far greater impact on your laptop battery than charging a phone.
pistachia said:
We have 4700 cycles before the battery is worn out. Yeah, 4700 seems a big number. It is not that big if we connect our phone via USB to a PC very often.
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If you believe EVERY CYCLE COUNTS, you'd better find a solution.
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If you look at the table in detail you'll find that 4700 cycles at 10% recharge is roughly 10 times the 500 cycles at 100% recharge. It's an almost linear relationship and there's nothing to be gained by letting your phone discharge further rather than putting it back on charge when it drops to 10%. The cycles aren't a counter after which suddenly everything stops.
Also they are hammering their battery pretty hard. A 1C charge is roughly 4 times higher than what the SGS battery experiences. The faster the charge the lower the life, so expect your phone to last longer than 4700 cycles.
On top of everything with replacement batteries costing a whole $5 it's not worth losing sleep over.
Yeah, you're right. If a replacement battery costs that little, even my quoted analysis really matters, it does not worth 'counting' at all! Just use the way you want and make sure you got one replacement before it's out of market.
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...the phone draws 95mA from the USB port...
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Are you sure about this? Where does this info come from? The info I have is 500mA for a USB 2.0 port...
The option is available in MIUI
Much has been said about the best way to proceed with new battery technologies, but I would like to ask how you did things when you bought your OB and charged it for the first time. Did you consume the remaining ~30% left from factory before the first charge or did you charge it regardless what was left? when you did charged it, did you wait 8hrs or more to extend battery life in the future or just waited until it said it was full?
Thanks for your help
sensei22 said:
Much has been said about the best way to proceed with new battery technologies, but I would like to ask how you did things when you bought your OB and charged it for the first time. Did you consume the remaining ~30% left from factory before the first charge or did you charge it regardless what was left? when you did charged it, did you wait 8hrs or more to extend battery life in the future or just waited until it said it was full?
Thanks for your help
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First charge: well, you grab the usb cable. One side, the small connector you connect it to the upper side of the phone. The big usb connector, you connect it to the AC-to-USB adapter. Then, you plug in to the wall this big piece. Just kidding
If you read, you will find the experts saying that Li-ion batteries don't have memory effect and you don't need to do a first charge or full charge-discharge cycles. God forbid that I contradict them, but my experience says that the best is doing cycles from around 0% (well, below 10% you can plug it in), to 100%. Never parcial charges (for example from 65% to 100%, or from 20% to 60%), although I lately do lots of parcial charges because I can't play anymore to run out of battery.
The first remaining 30% out of the box, well although I knew I "shouldn't" use it (maybe), I just do because on the way home after picking it up, well, I want to try it! It won't hurt. Use it and when it's at 10%, charge it completely, to 100% and hang on a while before unplugging.
EDIT: no need to wait 8 hours or anything. Just 100% and some more minutes. Charger will stop letting the electricity go once the phone has said "hey, I'm fully charged". It's a environmental and energy saving thing. Completely pointless waiting hours (it won't charge).
8 hours ? Nope
Just normal charge when the battery is completely depeleted (about 5% or less)
so it i'll be replaced with the new 'ion' or something,then the longer battery life you'll get
When battery is still full or half of it's capacity (more or less), it's not recommended to charge it
Let's take an example, a half burnt tree branch, what happen to the burnt one if you keep burning the branch? Ashes
That's what i think and do
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Thanks for your responses guys, I want to clear out all my doubts since I want to buy this cell phone, and hopefully I can find a good price soon
Does the OB original charger prevent overcharge?
I usually leave my OB connected to charging during the night. Is it ok?
ohadz said:
Does the OB original charger prevent overcharge?
I usually leave my OB connected to charging during the night. Is it ok?
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Greetings,
I just bought HTC one m7 from a friend. I have noticed that the battery is draining pretty fast and I am not doing any heavy usage. I installed GSam Battery app and I am constantly refreshing it without letting the screen sleep. Nothing else is running in the background. It shows 30%/hour drainage. Screen brightness is set to 50%. 3g network is connected and I have tethered the phone to laptop through wifi hotspot (just casual browsing im doing on my laptop).
Also the phone is charging pretty slow (compared to my previous lumia phone) which is annoying. If i connect the phone to laptop for USB charging, the battery goes down instead of charging.
Is there an issue with the battery, or is it just normal? Kindly enlighten me.
I will use the phone tomorrow with a 100% charging over night and can post the battery stat pictures if required.
Kind regards, Jasim
jasim.121 said:
Greetings,
I just bought HTC one m7 from a friend. I have noticed that the battery is draining pretty fast and I am not doing any heavy usage. I installed GSam Battery app and I am constantly refreshing it without letting the screen sleep. Nothing else is running in the background. It shows 30%/hour drainage. Screen brightness is set to 50%. 3g network is connected and I have tethered the phone to laptop through wifi hotspot (just casual browsing im doing on my laptop).
Also the phone is charging pretty slow (compared to my previous lumia phone) which is annoying. If i connect the phone to laptop for USB charging, the battery goes down instead of charging.
Is there an issue with the battery, or is it just normal? Kindly enlighten me.
I will use the phone tomorrow with a 100% charging over night and can post the battery stat pictures if required.
Kind regards, Jasim
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Charging the phone using a usb port from a computer will always result with extremely slow charge or even discharge if the phone is consuming more power then what it receive from the usb port.
The USB 1.x and 2.0 specifications provide a 5 V supply on a single wire to power connected USB devices.
A unit load is defined as 100 mA in USB 2.0, and 150 mA in USB 3.0. A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0.
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Wall charger can deliver more current and will charge the phone much faster. As for the battery drainage, it might be some app draining or even the battery might need to be replaced.
Lithium batteries do lost capacity over time.
Lithium-ion battery packs are expensive, so if you want to make yours to last longer, here are some things to keep in mind:
Lithium ion chemistry prefers partial discharge to deep discharge, so it's best to avoid taking the battery all the way down to zero. Since lithium-ion chemistry does not have a "memory", you do not harm the battery pack with a partial discharge. If the voltage of a lithium-ion cell drops below a certain level, it's ruined.
Lithium-ion batteries age. They only last two to three years, even if they are sitting on a shelf unused. So do not "avoid using" the battery with the thought that the battery pack will last five years. It won't. Also, if you are buying a new battery pack, you want to make sure it really is new. If it has been sitting on a shelf in the store for a year, it won't last very long. Manufacturing dates are important.
Avoid heat, which degrades the batteries.
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
Demolition49 said:
Are you using the official charger?
Some aftermarket USB C cables can damage your phone or even fry it completely.
If you are using a standard charger, I'm more inclined to say your phone is getting warm because the battery has been charging. If you have hotspot on, that can warm your phone up quite alot too... Basically the more your phone is doing the hotter it can get (Bluetooth/wifi/hotspot etc)
FYI: charging to 80/90% will make your battery last alot longer too, if you plan on keeping it a few years. Charging to 100% is the fastest way to degrade your li-ion battery.
If you are rooted you can limit your charge to 90% but depends if you don't have access to a charger all day you might need that 100%.
Hope that helps.
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Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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While at work, I leave my phone plugged in and charged at all times.
I don't have exact temperatures but I've noticed that it is warm the whole time. Anyone else notice this?
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blazinazn said:
Yes, using the official charger. I also failed to mention that I have a case on my phone. Not sure if that is contributing to it.
Is it because charging to 100% counts as a full cycle? I will admit that I'm not up to snuff on battery tech and what the best way to preserve the battery long term. From my past understanding, if you take your battery all the way down and then charge it to 100%, then that was a full cycle. More cycles = degraded battery over time.
Not sure if this still holds true for li-ion batteries today.
Edit: My thought here is to leave it on the charger whenever I can, thus minimizing the cycles I put on the battery.
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My suggestion is download accubattery, it will tell you your battery temperature and also it calculates the degredation and health of your battery. It will also explain how many cycles of wear you are adding to the phone.
Back in the old days with nickel cadimium batteries you needed to do the whole 0-100 thing, that was good for battery memory... But modern day lithium batteries actually are better being topped off and kept between 20-80% in an ideal world. So deep discharges and high % charges wear out your battery significantly faster... This is why electric cars often limit charge, by doing this they can extend the life of the battery cells quite dramatically.... but if you are upgrading yearly, don't worry about it.
Here is an article that will help you.
EDIT: try charging with and without the case and see if it gets hot, definitely cases can be an insulator. You can monitor temp in accubattery.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/how-to-improve-battery-life-tips-myths-smartphones
The idea that there is a set number of charging cycles for a particular battery, and every time you charge the phone you use up one of those cycles regardless of how much it charges (ie a 10% charge and a 100% charge both use one charging cycle) isn't how modern cell phone batteries work.
As noted, it is best to not charge your phone to 100%, nor do you want to discharge your battery to 0%. It is best to charge it more frequently for a smaller amount of charge each time as well. So charging a phone 10% ten times is better for the better than charging the battery once for 100%.
Heat is also a huge problem with batteries and the hotter a battery gets, the shorter life expectancy it will have. So definitely look into the issue.
If rooted, there are a couple of Magisk modules that control charging. They usually will automatically pause charging if the battery gets too high of a temp. Once a preset time has passed, it will restore charging again. The idea being that the pause in charging will allow the battery temps to drop. You can also limit the battery max charge to another value other than 100% if you want. 80% max charge is suppose to be the sweet spot for battery longevity, but anything less than 100% is going to add life to your battery.
Just so you know the phone does not charge to 100% or allow you to discharge the battery completely. Your phone just shows that you are at 100% when charged as much as allowed and discharged as much as allowed when you reach 0% charge. The partial charge thing no longer has much of any effect since the phone is doing it for you already but the internet hasn't' caught up to that yet. These chargers do stop charging at full and your phone should not be warm if it's charged but unused. So... are you using while on the charger? That's not a great idea because it's going to kick it into charge over and over. The fellow above was correct about using proper cables, I'm not sure that's much of a problem anymore but there still may be some ringers on Amazon and elsewhere. You could also have something discharging the battery enough to get it to charge continuously or close enough to it to warm the phone up over time, a wake lock can do it for example. Those can keep the phone on charge enough to warm it up.
In general with charging it's going to be best to keep your charging and total cycles down because capacity loss during charging is a real issue due to physical deterioration and transfer of materials in the battery caused during the charge. You would be better served by allowing it to discharge at least somewhat and only charging as needed rather than keeping it plugged in. Since you're at work it should be fairly easy to plan your charging so that you'll be able to get through the day without the constant charge. Not saying wait until it dies and then charge, that would be inconvenient, just that you would get more life if you reduced your charge cycles.
No matter what your phone is getting warm something needs to be addressed if it's doing so when not used but plugged in. The charger should stop for long periods and the phone should be cool after the charge completes.