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I see folks posting their snazzy ROM's (awesome work, guys) and I see that in some other forums (Blue Angel most notably) there are "Rom Kitchens" posted for those devices, but I don't see anything similar for the Wizard. Clearly there are methods--the plethora of ROMS here proves that--but how would I go about starting to build my own? I've done a lot of custom installation/OS configuration stuff with Win2k/XP/2003 and countless apps (I'm a regular at www.msfn.org and have used tools like nLite and WPI extensively in my own labors for both work and pleasure) with great success, so I'm really interested in expanding my horizons to this neck of the woods as well.
I hope that someone could forgive the "n00bness" of my question here, I'd love to be more active in contributing around here, you guys are inspiring me to help, dammit!
Thanks!
Jason
If there isn't one, can someone at least please point me in the right direction? I've done what searching I can, but without really knowing the proper terminology it's difficult to find the right answers
Thanks!
Jason
Uh, is it secret or something? I'd really love to help out making some ROMS around here and tend to have plenty of time to do it while at work, is anyone willing to share the info?
Jason
look at http://buzzdev.net
shamus said:
look at http://buzzdev.net
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Yeah but I don't think there is a ROM Kitchen out yet for the Wizard. Bepe doesn't have one to test with.
J-Man5
awesome, finally some headway .
Thanks for the pointers, I'll see what I can learn over there
Jason
Hey all,
I see lots of people making roms for the wizard, but my search for tools to start doing this on my own has come very short. Can anyone suggest how I can get started making my own roms? I have done quite a few exhaustive searches on here, google, and buzzdev with little to no success.. all I've really found are old posts, dead links, and unanswered forum posts.
Please at least point me in the right direction, I have a lot outdated knowledge from when I used to test ppc2k3 devices for Symbol Technologies, and I would like to try the other end of what I was working with... I look forward to your responses and hope someone out there is willing to assist
Thanks!
~Rick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249836
Awsome, Just after I posted this thread I found that post, I am glad that you were able to confirm that it was a valid one.
Now, as far as testing your roms, do you typically put your devices in harms way, or do you have some kind of emulator that you use to test?
Is there some kind of comprehensive "How to" somewhere on MSDN or some other forum, or did everyone here just blindly poke around till they figured stuff out? (Which I am in favor of doing if necessary)
I just want to make sure that I can get myself as educated as possible without turning my device into a 6.2 ounce paperweight. I love the kinds of contributions people make here and I would love to be able to make my own contributions one day
Thanks (Sorry if im being pesty I am just so interested in getting started)
Don't worry about bricking the phone... as long as you don't flash ipl/spl you can always put the phone back into bootloader mode and reflash a rom that works...
ok so I downloaded a billion tools... but where do I get a base rom to start with? I decided a best bet would be to download the HTC shipped rom off their site, but that uses an NBF file, and all of these tools reference an NBA file, as a matter of fact every "rom" file I have found has an NBF file in it... how does that happen?
I kinda feel stupid and im losing faith in starting this
im have trouble?
I'm having a litte trouble with the posts can sombody help me out?
does anyone know of a good vnc client for the t-mobile wing??? any direction would be great... thanks in advance...
bennie
by the way, im looking for a freeware client...
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sorry for the double post... i thought it would auto-merge...
I Googled for "Pocket VNC" and this - http://dotnetvnc.sourceforge.net/ - was the second or third result.....looks like it'll do the job...and it's free....
(There's plenty of other alternatives returned by the above search; you might want to investigate some of those too? And if you find something that rocks, post back so the rest of us can share your findings )
Mark.
i searched in the past and downloaded a few that i wasn't particularly impressed with... i guess i should have clarified my question a little more...
i did find this one after digging a little more...
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~midgley/wince/vnc.html
benniebeeker said:
i did find this one after digging a little more...
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~midgley/wince/vnc.html
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Yeah, I spotted that one, but as no-one's touched it for 4 years I figured it wouldn't be up to much - the site doesn't mention WM5, let alone WM6 so I reckon it'd be pretty shaky....YMMV
I'm sure there's loads of VNC clients around for Smartphone/PPC - everybody and his dog has done a version for Windows (and I've even used a version on HP OpenVMS )
Mark.
its working just fine... in fact, i tried a few others that didn't allow me to use my keyboard and/or mouse to take control of the host... this one does all of the things that the newer ones didn't... im very pleased thus far...
Hi all,
for starters, I know where the search-button is and I know how to read, I've read the stickies and most of the links, so no obvious remarks please
I'm having a hard time finding good threads to read about creating/editing/cooking roms, understanding what XIP/SYS files are, knowing how to strip/add programs,...
I've used keywords like: rom cooking, xip, how to, port, tut(orial), etc...
It only gives a gazillion answers and most of the time useless threads...
Once in a while it's worth reading, but most of the time it's junk or way to specific/difficult...
So the question is, could anyone link some usefull good threads/discussions/how-to's that they've read?
Maybe you could give it a rating yourself going from beginner/intermediate/pro...
Maybe such a condensed topic is already on the forums, then please do show me, since I didn't found it yet...
If you're first thought is "god, not again", then please, don't respond at all
Thanks for your time!
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If you're first thought is "god, not again", then please, don't respond at all
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Man, this thread is just below you as of this moment ....
Really nice cooking class for Blackstone, but very usable for Kovsky too!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480714
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Man, this thread is just below you as of this moment ....
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Jack,it's not because of my low post count, that I'm just around here...
I've seen and read that post several times, I've dumped my own rom and downloaded others, I extracted them and started fiddling around, but that's all what I did, fiddling, since I don't really know what I'm doing...
For instance, I'm reading and seeing XIP everywhere, but I don't even understand what it stands for, I can't find (or don't use the right keywords) to find any decent info on it...
I found this great post of Ameet about porting XIP, but that's already about hardcore coding without the basic info I hoped to find... I'm just a beginner, that'll be stuff to read when I'm several months further...
It all starts with the saying, "give a man a fish and he can eat for a whole day. Learn him how to fish and he can eat a life-time.."
The post you refered to is great to learn how the kitchen works, great for learning how to use tools, but the action eventually only shows how to remove standard OEM stuff out of a rom. Nothing more...
Understanding the ins and outs of a rom, how it's build and why, how it's linked and what it does... That's where I think it starts, but that's what I can't find... If no-one ever wrote anything about it, then I will, but then I'll have to try and find bits of pieces of info everywhere... And that's why I posted the question. So people could at least point to some information they know where to find...
I've even seen and tried your work... It's great, but it's a full working, locked rom (at least, it doesn't break down using htainlin's info to the same files and folders as a stockrom does, or I'm using the wrong tools)... I can't see what you've done to make it that way... I can't open it to compare with something stock to see what has changed and conclude what your changes really do... I don't mind reverse engineering, I do have a brain I can use to figure things out..
Well, sorry for the rant, and if I somehow offended you, I didn't intend to, I just hope you now understand what I'm trying to accomplish
Thanks for all who even tried to read this
@Lokatho
Thanks! I've only read the index, but I already know I'll be busy reading that for a couple of hours...
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Jack,it's not because of my low post count, that I'm just around here...
I've seen and read that post several times, I've dumped my own rom and downloaded others, I extracted them and started fiddling around, but that's all what I did, fiddling, since I don't really know what I'm doing...
For instance, I'm reading and seeing XIP everywhere, but I don't even understand what it stands for, I can't find (or don't use the right keywords) to find any decent info on it...
I found this great post of Ameet about porting XIP, but that's already about hardcore coding without the basic info I hoped to find... I'm just a beginner, that'll be stuff to read when I'm several months further...
It all starts with the saying, "give a man a fish and he can eat for a whole day. Learn him how to fish and he can eat a life-time.."
The post you refered to is great to learn how the kitchen works, great for learning how to use tools, but the action eventually only shows how to remove standard OEM stuff out of a rom. Nothing more...
Understanding the ins and outs of a rom, how it's build and why, how it's linked and what it does... That's where I think it starts, but that's what I can't find... If no-one ever wrote anything about it, then I will, but then I'll have to try and find bits of pieces of info everywhere... And that's why I posted the question. So people could at least point to some information they know where to find...
I've even seen and tried your work... It's great, but it's a full working, locked rom (at least, it doesn't break down using htainlin's info to the same files and folders as a stockrom does, or I'm using the wrong tools)... I can't see what you've done to make it that way... I can't open it to compare with something stock to see what has changed and conclude what your changes really do... I don't mind reverse engineering, I do have a brain I can use to figure things out..
Well, sorry for the rant, and if I somehow offended you, I didn't intend to, I just hope you now understand what I'm trying to accomplish
Thanks for all who even tried to read this
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Well, I never judge xda member on their post count since I know some experts in this field maybe new to XDA-developers and some people w/ very high post count are keep on posting **** (e.g. someone in X1 general inventing 4D glasses and UI. )
Most kitchen (at least the one I pointed to) is just a Dos batch script to automated all the tedious command and parameters w/ all the needed tools. You can learn a lot of in and out if just you open it w/ a editor, follow the steps manually and research those tools individually.
If you really want to learning cooking in the hard way, I had a writeup long time back for Asus P525 which most of the steps still apply to any HTC rom nowaday.
All the documents for how to fish is here and we are still seeing people creating new threads for questions that been address millions time. This is a developers forum afterall and no one is responsible to feed you while your hands are free.
Regarding my rom, I never intend to lock it. Both V1 and V2 are extractable but rgu are removed due to space and speed considerateion. Afterall, the main purpose of a rom is for daily "use" instead of "teaching material". Why am I bother to slow my rom down just because I have to let others to extract it?
Jack,
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This part was for the locking section you refer to
I already figured out a number of reasons why it would be "locked", and space-limiting was one of them... I definately understand your reasons and by no means am I complaining about it... It's just a pity I can't use such good material as a reference to study...
As for examining the tools, I was already wondering what they're all doing and what they're needed for... However I'm a bit cautious since I don't know how they work... This'll be a matter of trial-and-error...
I will definately have a look at what you've written, not that I'm keen on really wanting to learn it the hard way, but it might make it easier to understand the working of some of the tools...
About the fishing, you are right, no-one is obligated to give me anything. I was merely asking if some-one might remember a post they once read and found very usefull in understanding or learning the process of cooking...
As I already stated, I used the search-button and already found bits of information that I thought were a little usefull, but I'm having a hard time finding any good posts... The topic Lokatho refered to was a great link and gave me some good information and I've got some nice material to work and practice with... It would've taken me ages to find me or just dumb luck...
I'm keeping together all the links I used to read and learn and might paste them in a write-up once I think I've learned a fair bit
To finalise this reply, I understand your frustration, there will always be people who ask the most simple things on any forum, may it be ppc, car, house or anything related... Questions in here like, how do I have to flash your rom, what is hard-spl, why can't you make a 'insert langueage'-rom, reporting a "bug" that's been declared not a bug for several pages already... Those are the most annoying questions I've seen until now(just to name a few) and are really an indication those are posted by lazy people...
Cheers
Q
I'm about to be switching phones from winmo to android. I was wondering what other sites y'all used for research, tips, ect. Other sites like wmpoweruser,ppcgeeks and fuzemobility for android. Something with lots of app reviews, wallpapers, tip & tricks, would be nice.
Sent from my AOSP on XDANDROID MSM using XDA App
XDA.... Engadget... The Nexus One forum on the google website... androidcentral... yada yada... you'll find places when you google something specific
Yes I know giyf. But if you look in the yellow pages for coffee houses, you'll find a ton of places, but won't know anything about them. If you ask a freind where to get a good cup, he'll tell you about a couple places and maybe a speciallty drink they have.
I found xda way back when I was just googling fuze tips and tricks. Not wanting to unlock, hack, flash my phone, just personalize it and make it cooler than it was already. What I mostly found were review sites linking to here for mods and roms, not what I was looking for. After searching around for a couple months, finally found a couple sites I liked.
I was just trying to save some time and ask what sites a friend would like.
http://android.modaco.com/category/426/google-nexus-one-nexusone-modaco-com/
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http://android.modaco.com/category/426/google-nexus-one-nexusone-modaco-com/
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Thanks but I'm getting a captivate, I'll look to see if they have a galaxy s series sub tho. Again thank you.
OH!!!!!!! Android.com is a great site
http://androidforums.com/ is pretty decent.