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I am a SPV M3100 (Tytn 1) owner at the moment running Schap's 4.30 Full ROM and the handset runs very well.
On Monday I am out of contract and can either upgrade to the Tytn2 with Orange free of charge or move to T-Mobile and their version for practically nothing (Orange or T-Mobile will be dependent on Orange offering me a decent data package instead of 30Mb for £8).
My main question is really, is it worth upgrading from a Tytn1 to a Tytn2?
On paper it seems to (camera/rom & ram/gps/tilt screen/thinner), but I been scanning through some articles and posts and lots of driver problems have been mentioned? Whats going on with this?
I saw an iPhone the other night and was very impressed with the interface but it lacks 3G/HSDPA and the camera is 2MP and doesnt do video and and and, not to mention having to shell out £269 and an 18 monther on the contract.
Whats the HTC Touch Cruise like and do any UK networks sell it yet?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts...
Will shortly be in same position so am interested in any responses.
I don't see Orange coming up with a decent data plan so I expect to have to leave them for Vodafone/O2 (Tmobile have a reception blackspot just about over my house)
Will probably upgrade so that I can reduce the time to the next upgrade if you see what I mean -not sure I see anything out there in the V near future to make the Kaiser obsolete.
Re Iphone - yeah looked at it but I need the hardware keyboard and have become a bit of a flashaholic etc.
That and I will get the Kaiser free. Don't like the excessive Apple control over everything.
I am with Orange and pretty annoyed myself... I think I'd be leaving too
Well O2 and Vodafone's dataplans are as bad as Orange's. (Voda unlimited = 120mb cap).
Orange did have a Orange World Unlimited package for £8 a month which gave you a gig of use a month which would be enough for me.
Can't really help in regards to whether it's worth the upgrade, as I've never used a TyTN I before, however, in regards to video driver issues, this seems to be hit and miss.
My TyTN II has never had any problems playing video's or games, and for the record, to play my video files I use Kingdia Video Converter to convert to avi, then use Ashampoo Movie Shrink and burn to compress file to QVGA (small file size, great quality). I then use TCPMP with the FLV 0.4.2 plugin to play them.
Not sure if it's because mine is UK bought with Original HTC ROM, but I don't mind as long as it works
Question really is....what do you want / need your phone to do?
I came to the Kaiser (o2 Stellar) from the HTC Universal (o2 XDA Exec) a month ago. I do miss the bigger screen and keyboard of the Uni. Apart from that the Kaiser is better in every way. So much nicer not having to soft reset every other day cos I'm running out of RAM (I have yet to soft reset the Kaiser for any other reason than installing software). So much nicer not having to juggle where I install stuff, it just all goes onto the device in the huge memory available (no sarcasm, after getting by on 30MB, suddenly having nearly 100MB to play with is huge!)
Camera, its a PDA not a SonyEricsson. I was hoping for better pics with a 3MP camera on board but it's no replacement for a real camera. It will do if you have nothing else, and I doubt you'd be disappointed with the results as I suspect the Tytn I camera is no better than the Uni's.
I suppose I do miss the flash on the camera, mainly cos it was a handy torch. I did miss the IR port, but got off my butt and set-up the BT on my PC and now use that instead for file transfers when I don't want to plug the sync lead in.
I have used the Kaiser with a SonyEricsson HBH-100 BT handsfree, it works fine. I also use a SonyEricsson MBR-100 BT thingy to connect to my car stereo and home audio system. Likewise this works perfectly. Finally I have a Nokia 610 car-kit and it connects to that via BTSAP, no problems. All of it straight out of the box, no patches, updates or hot-fixes. BT driver issues? Not in my experience. Only thing that doesn't work with the phone is my older HBH-10 headset. It is about 10yrs old, and is probably just too old to be compatible.
Video? I converted loads of videos years ago to wmv files to use with a HP Ipaq 5450. They play just fine, little jumpy, but this is due to the compression (25mb for 45 mins of video) rather than the device itself, they are jumpy on my laptop too.
Audio? Built in loudspeaker is poor. But what do you expect from something that small that was designed (I guess) for voice, not music. MP3's play well, and when connected to headphones or an external sound system, its great! I bet the type of people that can hear the difference (and care about it) between 192kbs and 320kbs encoding will argue the toss...
GPS. IMHO, no problems. Used it with several apps, gets a fix quickly, holds onto the signal well and is accurate enough. Bench testing against my Garmin standalone GPS (Kaiser plonked on the dash, Garmin with an external roof mounted antenna) both get a good signal and the tracklogs more or less match, good enough for sat-nav anyway (yes the Garmin is more accurate and gets stronger reception but it does have that powered, amplified roof antenna to help it remember! The Kaiser has never failed to get a fix)
WiFi and other data (GPRS, 3G, HSDPA etc) works well. I have the Opera Mini browser as well as PIE. No problems surfing the net, checking email, using MSN or Skype.
Just have a look at the threads in this forum, how many are from newbies asking for help, or moaning something doesn't work when they haven't tried to fix it, or just plain don't know what they are doing?! I'm not saying the Kaiser doesn't have issues for some people, but seriously, if you can get the Kaiser for little or nothing, just upgrade already and if it's really not to your liking stick it on Ebay and make a few hundred! I have a collection of old phones and PDA's so I don't have to use the Kaiser. If it sucked, I would have gone back to my Uni in a heartbeat. The only time I don't use it now is if I'm going out and want a phone with me I don't mind loosing or breaking.
Hope that helps?
It depends what you want out of a phone. My comparisons are between my Vodafone 1605 (unlocked Hermes) and my HTC TyTN II (unlocked Kaiser).
Camera: Useable but crap. Needs one of the cooked roms and cab update to get any real use from it.
Camera Flash: Missing on Kaiser. I used to use this a lot as a torch when taking instrument reaings outside in the dark.
Wifi: My Kaiser is better.
GPS: TomTom is brilliant and sold the Kaiser to me.
Video: Mine seems ok but I'm not a heavy user. Many people seem to have driver problems so I assume they use video more than me - also, I don't use streaming video so I can't comment - this may also be where all the video driver problems are.
Tilting Screen: A bit of a gimmick for normal use, but ok for watching a movie on a plane.
Speed: With Dutty's ROMs my Kaiser feels faster but this may just be imagined.
Memory: I'm a heavy user of space. I have 51 add on programs including converters, dictionaries and translators etc. Kaiser definately better.
All in all I'm glad I upgraded to the Kaisr, but despite that I haven't got the heart to get rid of my Hermes yet...
I will seriously miss the flash, especially with the camera.
And my Hermes does everything I need it to do right now, but things like more ROM/RAM, better camera (in MP), etc would be nice. But I dont fancy wasting an upgrade. (UK people will know what I mean by that).
My vodafone 1605 is a TyTN 1 and I upgraded to a TyTN 2. In most areas I don't think that there is much improvement with the new phone.
If you're happy with the TyTN 1 I wouldn't bother yet unless GPS becomes a real necessity, of unless you're a gadget freak who needs the latest and greatest. Maybe you should wait a while and then when you become less happy with your TyTN look at upgrading then - it won't be too long before the Kaiser comes down in price or there are newer versions available.
Well money isn't really a factor. In the UK we can upgrade our phone at the end of the contract term, normally for free. If I don't upgrade then I will just be wasting an opportunity.
That is my thought exactly. I think it will be a year at least before anything fantasticaly better comes out so then allowing time for initial bugs to be worked out, I think I will upgrade to the Kaiser so when contract ends in 18 months it should be about time for the next big thing.
Incidentally, I do have the 1gb Orange data bundle but it expires sson and cannotbe renewed.
120mb or 200 on O2 should do me quite well - 30mb however is just too little.
I upgraded from the Hermes to the Kaiser. Never looked back since.
Apart from the ****e Orange data packages. Currently using unlimited off-peak for £5 a month. Not ideal, but I work office hours anyways.....
Been There Done That
Had been with Orange for a while but was a very devout Nokia "Smartphones" Fanboy.
Had a free upgrade due and already had 2 of Nokia top phones at the time and instead of wasting the upgrade I upgraded to the SPV M3100 (Tytn I) just over a year ago. And boy was it something different. The hardware keyboard was a massive god sent. And just the sheer functionality of the phone coupled with the wide amount of apps you could install on it, plus the so much more useful roms I upgraded to courtesy of everyones fave developer forum. Really started becoming a massive tool and made my commuting time into Central London from the outskirts really productive and enjoyable.
Last week was due the annual upgrade and having checked out the features of the new Tytn II online, dived in without a second thought. After the initial transitional period and all the rom installations and getting the settings to suit my own individual needs. I can safely say that the beloved M3100 is been on a window sill gathering dust. Installed Duttys Dual Touch Rom II, a few apps, a few games, set up Windows Live and my own work emails and now just waiting on the 8GB Micro SDHC card i order and i should be all set.
Play Dvdrips and TVRips on TCMP with no lag and Dutty's rom doesnt seem to slow down too much, so havent reallly felt the affects of the missing graphics drivers. Just feels so natural now. I can safely say that if someone created a better Internet Browser solution right now I would definitely stop using the laptop for casual use. At the moment using a combination of Picsel, Opera, and IE and none seem to be doing a complete job. Picsel is awesomely fast and useable but its still in early development and doesnt support complete web solutions.
As for Orange, their data packages have never been the best but i usually use the net heavy apps like Windows Live Messenger, Youtube streaming and Net browsing in the Office or at home where theres a Wifi connection. But to be honest none of the other Network Providers have great deals and i've been with all at one point or another T-Mobile Web n Walk is good but they've started blocking certain ports that limit what you can do or so i have heard. The off peak data package (if you work 9-5) doesnt seem too bad.
But hopefully they'll come out with better packages soon.
Hi, interested you have skype working on your Xda Stellar - I can't seem to get this working? I downloaded the windows mobile version of skype and get a "this is not a valid pocket pc application" message and it fails to install.... Do you have any ideas?? Thanks
I am with vodafone and in a position to upgrade to which will be my first HTC phone. I was looking at kaiser but am thinking of hanging on for a couple of months for the HTC touch pro.
Kaiser audio quality
Hi,
I just upgraded from Hermes to Kaiser, and I'm comparing the two units at the moment.
I noticed that audio quality of Hermes is better, especially when listening to mp3s.
Does anyone agree?
I'd try and get a HTC Touch Pro if possible, just make sure it's the Pro and not the Diamond as you'll get the better (larger) battery and not have to give up the keyboard. The feature list of the Touch Pro is much better then the Kaiser.
The Kaiser is after all just an "update" that only new features are a slightly larger storage (not much of an issue with an SD-Card though) and built in GPS (but an externall bluetooth GPS gives you more battery.) On the downside of the Kaiser you have to convert videos to play just on your device where as with the Hermes I could use the same vids for my PC - which is basicly a downgrade.
Without meaning to sound defeatist, I have been looking into alternative devices, given the current issues
The Eten X800 is fairly similar in specs to the TyTN2. Has GPS, WiFi, Bluetooth, no keyboard though (but VGA screen). But reading reviews, users are very criticial of the build quality, stability, usability, and customer support/ update frequency. The recent M800 has similar specs but with Qwerty keyboard. Again, I am reading bad reviews about stability and poor quality - apparently the key markings is rubbing off within days.
Other similar specced device is Toshiba G900. Again, seeing a lot of negative reviews, and lots of users sending theirs back. Apparently the interface and usability are appaling.
These seem to be the most directly comparable devices. There is the Samsung Imate range but I'm not too keen on the clamshell form factor for a PDA.
From what I am reading, HTC's devices are actually the most stable and well built devices with this sort of feature set. I realise there are huge issues with support and implementation of some features, but overall there is a reason why HTC stills keeps coming up again and again in "Top 10/Most wanted/ Most popular lists". Of course, they know that too, which is probably why they don't really care about the issues we are trying to highlight. They know that they are at least equal to any direct competition, even if no better.
Which is why I am sticking to my TyTN2 for now. It certainly does most of the things I want it to do, and does them fairly well, if sometimes (graphically) slowly. Put it this way - I bought my TyTN2 in October 2007 and have only ever soft reset it after installing cabs etc, never due to system freeze or crash. And I have certainly never had to hard reset. Have never had a device of any class I could say that about before. (course, guess what's going to happen in the next 24hours....!)
Anyone got any other comparable devices I missed out? As happy as I am with the TyTN2, if there was another device with same features but proper display drivers, there would be no question about swapping.
The at&t tilt is another name and the T-Mobile MDA Vario III.
+1 from me. Add the tilting screen, I'm not sure any other device has this and it's very practical. Likewise the QWERTY keyboard, limited competition for that. True you could get a bluetooth, or external keyboard, but that kinda defeats the all in one nature. Videos are fine with re-encoding (Ican live with that), sat-nav, perfect for the applications I run, I have tried TomTom now, and the jumpy screen really isn't that bad (IMHO) (however route calculation requires a bit of work, my 8yr old Garmin gives better, more direct routes. The Kaiser is quicker on calculation, but still has the same map errors the 10yr old map set on the Garmin has)
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(course, guess what's going to happen in the next 24hours....!)
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Optimistic ain't ya?! I'd be surprised if you lasted the day....
Hi all,
Today is the time to depart the formums as an existing Kaiser owner and help out only as a once windows owned device person
I've not contributed THAT much - atleast not using this name but I had another and was forced to change it due to a "run in" with a moderator on here who got kicked out soon after - this was a while ago though so it's been an interesting ride.
So not much of a story - Been a windows device owner since the first Ipaq in B&w screen and slowly moved onto the windows phones as soon as they came out (starting with the XDA). While my main job revolves around business intelligence, I still have a "side job" in repairing phones/electronics and the company I do this for gives me 15% on products hence changing my phone everytime a new one comes out!
I stop at the kaiser purely for a handful of reasons. While the bluetooth issue was somewhat sorted by reg changes, it still was not enough and it was heavily impacting my main job in where consultants require to be mobile on the phone wherever I go. In the car, it became dangerous at high-speeds where I was having to undock the phone and hold it - something now illegal here.
The other reason was purely down to the whole HTC Suit going on and rumours (not one to listen mind you) about HTC stopping production on the kaiser until this blows over.
I thought, while the price is high, get rid of it, migrate to something else and see what the future holds!
What did I get?
Well, last sunday, I was given two N95's to fix, one hardware, one software. The software was easy enough, hardware was interesting as it was my first N95 to rip open to its bare bone (liquid damaged).
Once I got it working, I started to play around with it and before handing it back to the customer, I have to ensure EVERYTHING works - minimum 48 hour testing.
I instantly decided I would want this IF I did not have the Kaiser...a few days later, I had a call in the car and again, could barely hear the person... I decided to use the customer's N95 and it was perfect.
I decided then to buy one and get rid of the Kaiser.
Thats pretty much it! I now have a N95 Nokia in Black (8GB version), loaded what I would use on the kaiser and so far, not had to pick up the kaiser once in 2 days.
Differences?
The biggest is the touch screen... I sometimes get frustrated I cant just select text and have to use keys to do it...something I'll get used to.
The other biggest is the keyboard. I used to be a typical txt'r on the nokia phones when I was a kid and thought it would be fine now - WRONG!
I would say it took me 3 times longer to txt then it would have on the kaiser!
Other than that, phyically, the screen is the same size (2.6") but much sharper and clearer on the N95 (I think the N95 has a much better resolution). And then theres the weight, while size doesnt make that much of a comparison, the weight is very noticable.
Software:
Ok, again biggest is windows vs symbian but speed-wise, no difference at all. It's a bit "noddy" in symbian to have everything in icons almost to spoonfeed even those who know the system but I can live with it.
Bluetooth is excellent, satnav is also good though it cannot handle TomTom unless used with an external reciever (something apparently waiting to be fixed)
Alarms work and is not limited to 3 like Windows. Small things like SMS on rejecting a call, having a delivery reports folder for SMS and so on is default on the N95, something windows still cant seem to grasp (despite numerous requests).
At the same time, you dont have the luxury of the proper Office, you have to go quite deep into symbian to change a theme, windows you dont, then theres the wonderful scrollwheel, something missing in the N95.
Overall, they both are excellent, what windows missed out, symbian got and viceversa. For me, I require bluetooth to work properly and not sound like I'm listening through a glasswindow. As long as this is the case, and GPS/satnav works... I'm happy. The n95 has a lot more features - one of the biggest being the accelometer which is like a motion detector - I can make my phone go landscape simply by moving the phone that way or I could navigate through menus simply by moving the phone in the direction I want to go in.
It's a gimmic but still, its there and its for the consumer to use .. or not to.
Hope this isnt too long and boring you but I didnt want to be like the typical leaver on the forum to say kaiser is crap, nokia is better because on the whole, I still would prefer the windows one if they fixed the issues, but now also if they made it ligher and more ergonomic (not that it already is!)
Based on the closing paragraph above, don't bother replying if all you're going to say kaiser is the best blah blah blah, though constructive comments are also welcome.
WIll pop in now and again and I think I have a few donations to make too!
(I could type the above on the kaiser, but I'll be damned if I have to type that on a normal N95 keypad...another user for the kaiser keyboard )
Yeah. Sorry to say, mine's hitting the road as well, but I'm not a smartphone kind of guy, i need a full-blown mobile office. so I got an E90 instead. Guess Nokia's getting the better side of things, eh?
Im the same mate ! Ive gone back to the Treo 750 and if not anything else , backto a rock solid phone thats works well all the time.
Just carried out HSPDA update on it and the speeds on net is fine . Email collection is spot on .
And on going back ive realised that i should never have jumped from it in the first place .
Still a HTC handset , but one thats working 100% for me
Can't comment on Symbian - never tried it. I used to use Palm OS and switched to PPC a few years ago.
Had a Dell X50v with VGA screen. Going to the Tilt/Kaiser was a step way down on screen resolution, but many steps up in other ways (like it fits better in my pocket and I don't have to carry a separate phone anymore, GPS, HSPDPA, nice keyboard, up to 32 gb memory card, lots of custom roms, ect...).
If I could do it over I would stick with the Tilt. Treo 750 lacks too many features (screen size, screen resolution, keyboard, GPS and doesn't sit nicely on a table for reading, 2GB max storage card). I want a Pocket PC 1st and a phone 2nd. But I'm not a business user. I could care less about talking in the car. Proven dangerous anyway, even when hands free, and those bluetooth headsets make you look like a cyborg.
I just came to the Kaiser from the S620. The Kaiser is really lacking in usability while "on the go". It was much easier to navigate the S620 I could respond to a text message with barley a glance at the phone. The S620 was also faster for most common tasks like making a phone call replying to an email etc... I find that I really like the kaiser as a data device and am very happy with it in that capacity. Surfing the web with opera mini is great much better experience than O-Mini on the S620 The keyboard is nice if you are using it with 2 hands the extra flexibility of WM6 on the PPC vs WM on the SmartPhone is also nice.
I can appreciate why you are peeved with the kaiser, I would be too if I was trying to use it as an all features phone.
However I do not, and I always view windows devices as a PDA with a phone built in, or as an add on in the software. Therefore it will never out perform or match a well specified Nokia mobile phone for example.
My solution is this:
Run the Kaiser as a device, for email internet and controlling your diary, schedule and files etc. Run it on a data only tariff, for example for £15 a month at the moment with vodafone uk you can get 1GB a month.
Then run a well equipped Nokia mobile phone as your phone, you get great call quality, good handsfree support when in the car as well as being able to leave the Kaiser at home if you do not want emails etc.
I do this, I run a Kaiser on data only, it does my gmail via imap as well as outlook email and internet plus in control my diary on it.
I then run an Nokia E65 which does my phone, test messaging etc etc etc. I also run my gmail via the Symbian onboard email client which means if I am out I can check headers and download an email if I need to read it.
I think for the small extra monthly outlay the kaiser is a fantastic device for what its designed for and I am not going to blether on about that.
Food for thought.
Tom
Tom Williams said:
My solution is this:
Run the Kaiser as a device, for email internet and controlling your diary, schedule and files etc. Run it on a data only tariff, for example for £15 a month at the moment with vodafone uk you can get 1GB a month.
Then run a well equipped Nokia mobile phone as your phone, you get great call quality, good handsfree support when in the car as well as being able to leave the Kaiser at home if you do not want emails etc.
I do this, I run a Kaiser on data only, it does my gmail via imap as well as outlook email and internet plus in control my diary on it.
I then run an Nokia E65 which does my phone, test messaging etc etc etc. I also run my gmail via the Symbian onboard email client which means if I am out I can check headers and download an email if I need to read it.
Tom
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Or you could just get a laptop with a built-in 3g card from whatever provider you want. I heard they have pretty nice qwerty keyboards on those. If that's too expensive, there's always an EEE PC + USB card, especially since those cards are usually free if you sign a contract.
Then you could drop the smartphone and just get your choice of free crappy samsung/motorola flip phone for phone and text.
The point of these devices is convergence. To re-split them is to go backwards in time.
Hmm.. if HTC doesn't fix this soon, I'll get the Meizu M8 (IF it will be released that is..).
Finally a sleek WM phone, 16 million colors baby!
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Other than that, phyically, the screen is the same size (2.6") but much sharper and clearer on the N95 (I think the N95 has a much better resolution). And then theres the weight, while size doesnt make that much of a comparison, the weight is very noticable.
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I appreciate your story, but just a little note - the N95 has the same 320x240 screen resolution as the Kaiser, and the Kaiser is 2.8 inches of course (same as the latest N95 of course)
I wish the kaiser had a better camera, and proper graphics acceleration, (and that accelerometer seems more and more useful each day) but mostly I appreciate the N95 is more of a phone than the Kaiser.
After years of WM however I find other phones (and especially the N95) completely unintuitive, and cant really see myself switching away from the rich ecosystem soon.
Surur
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The point of these devices is convergence. To re-split them is to go backwards in time.
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Couldnt have said THAT better myself.
who in their right mind would carry loads devices for music, taking pictures, sat nav, a mobile, a pmp, thats just stupid
I'm sorry that the Kaiser didn't work out for you, but each person is an individual, and what works best for me, may not be good for you. That's why we have hundreds of models of phones available. Personally I love my Kaiser, and I think its far better than my old PDA phone, the HP iPAQ hw6515. The RF reception is just as good as a good regular handset, not like the iPAQ which was only good in urban areas where you were surrounded by plenty of towers. I used to keep a Motorola A845 and a V551 in my truck and when in rural areas I'd have to take my SIM out of the iPAQ and put it into another phone to be able to make a clear call. I haven't had to switch my SIM card once since I bought my Tilt.
Sorry this hasn't worked out for you, and I wish you luck in finding the perfect device for your needs.
-Jay
That was an interesting read. It's a shame that the kaiser isn't all everyone wants it to be. I like my kaiser, sometimes I love it other times I find it incredibly frustrating. For example when sitting in my living room playing around with it, it's great.
But I was out and about over the weekend, standing on a very cold football touchline texting the results to my wife. The kaiser was running like a dog. Sloooowwww to update while entering contacts into the search as you type 'To:' field. Then the text failed to send (despite a full signal). I really started to think about other options such as the N95 or SE P1i - you know, devices that just WORK!
But last night I was traveling on a coach to the Wales v Normay match and decided to play with my google maps and built in GPS on the Kaiser and I fell in love with it again. I arrived at the game and shot some images on the camera and blogged to through Shozu. It all worked well. I then turned to Opera Mini to check the England v Switzerland scores and the thing froze on me. SR later and I couldn't get a data connection on T-Mobile despite my sons' N73 having a full signal and gprs connection. (also on T-Mobile)
I know I am going to have a love/hate relationship with this phone, but hey! Thats Windows Mobile.
Now....... how much is that P1i on Expansys....Hmmm £284
Haven't bitten the bullet yet but seriously considering E-Ten X650. Won't satisfy those wanting a fast data connection or a keyboard, but it does have an FM Radio and VGA screen. My biggesst concern is smaller RAM. Anyway, I am looking to get something a bit smaller with better video and it seems like it will fit the bill. Before the driver thing came up, I was thinking of going to the Touch Cruise, as I don't use the keyboard all that much but I since have vowed to never again buy an HTC device. I think the lack of drivers may have been excusable if handled properly, but the disrespect they have shown their customers and this community is in my opinion deplorable.
Now if we could just get E-Ten devices into this forum. Maybe they would appreciate the awesome support this community provides.
I have to say, I'm surprised that the E-Ten devices don't get much credit around here. I've never used one (maybe that's why I'm surprised!) but on paper it seems like devices like the M800 have the Kaiser pretty much licked. I mean, not only do they appear to have the drivers and performance, but VGA too? Okay, they don't look quite so nice, and maybe the button arrangements aren't so good, but surely they're Kaiser killers apart from that?
I kind of got my Tytn II by accident, and stumbled into the world of Windows Mobile, and on the whole I'm happy with it - but if I was putting serious research into it now I'd definitely have to take a serious look at e-ten.
I left, then came back at the refurb price.
I love the phone, but not worth $400....I'll take $150 tho
Note: for anyone considering E-ten. don't get it. First and foremost, build quality sucks. and it's... I don't even want to go there.
Hey im thinking of leaving the kaiser 2 can any one sugest a few devices that might make a good replacment? checked out the P1i metioned above really im thinking iphone after they give it 3g but will it have hsdpa? xda had to unlock it on the kaiser didnt they?
there may be hope yet:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7085.html
I put my Tilt on the shelf for now and picked up a Blackjack II. It works for now, but I still visit the forums hoping for a fix. I am kicking myself for selling the 8525. That thing was really running great with the latest cooked ROM's.
Dave
very interesting comments, I was half expecting immature comments about my own thoughts on why I was leaving windows/kaiser but these were very good constructive comments
So I've been using the N95 for almost a week now.
I've still not had to use the Kaiser once though I have kept it at arms reach just incase.
The only time I used it was for TomTom until I get my Garmin software for the N95.
What do I think so far?
Well after a week of intensive use... I do really prefer it to the Kaiser. Yes I still miss the keyboard which still takes 3 times longer to type an SMS compared to an N95 and I miss the touch-screen time2time but aside from that, I've got used to it and it does everything I need to.
For those who considered the Ericsson P series... I used to be a P series fan a while back having owned a P800, P900, and a P910. I was not however impressed with the P1 at all and found it more of a chore to use than anything.
But each to their own- I've just gone of the UIQ symbian software yet I still like the Nokia s60 symbian software.
If anyone wants more information about the N95, Kaiser or any other phone that exists - do let me know and I can try and answer them.
I work part-time as ahobby in a phone repair place so I get a chance to mess around with a lot of the units!
It’s been a bitter sweet journey for me and my tilt over the last year. We've been through many different ROMs many different Mods, and many different apps. We've spent hundreds of hours on this board searching for the newest and greatest tricks a tools we've even spent some times actually being productive. But 2 weeks ago we went our separate ways. In a spat of extreme frustration I renewed my contract with ma bell and enslaved myself to the blue and orange for another 2 years and purchased an iPhone.
While my Tilt could do just about anything I wanted it to do it could do none of it well or consistently. My #1 biggest frustration with the Tilt which ended up being the nail in the coffin was how windows mobile dealt with networking. It never worked reliably moving form edge to wifi and back was painful with apps needing to be restarted an occasionally the phone needing rebooted. Outlook would stop syncing with exchange for days at a time then after a reboot everything would be fine. It was never as simple as pick up the phone and surf the web or pick up the phone and check your email. A very close second is SPEED I had dumb phones 10 years ago that i could pick up and make a call with quicker than the tilt. The windows mobile interface is just not designed for hand held use. Even with the stylus it is extremely frustrating to navigate.
The apps I used most on the Tilt were as follows:
1. Push Exchange/Outlook for Calendar email and contacts <-- This is a must for any device that i will have now or in the future.
2. Beyond Pod for Podcasts <-- I have a long commute and podcasts are a godsend.
3. Palringo <---wonderful app but could not leave it open because of the battery drain
4. Kinoma Freeplay <-- the best media player for WINMO hands down they got a lot of stuff right I was all set to purchase the full version when 3g came to our area but still no 3G an now no Tilt
5. Windows remote desktop client <--- very handy worked well even over edge
6. Opera Mini <-- excellent browser especially for edge i dont thing there is anything that can beat it on edge. I would love to have seen a native version of opera mini because the JVM's (I tried them all) for WM suck I hate to open an application just to open an application yea there were some tricks and shortcuts but nothing completely seamless.
7. Gremote<-- excellent for controlling an HTPC or from the couch. This app paired with a capacitive touch screen would be amazing. Kudos to the author on this simple elegant app.
8. The Phone <-- The tilt was not a good phone. making a phone call to someone not in your address book was extremely painful however if the person is in your address book the smart dialer worked very well. I went through multiple dialer on multiple roms none of them worked well
Apps I used occasionally
1. ICS for tethering via usb <--- Great when it works active sync must be installed on the computer that you want to tether (for usb atleast).
2. WMwifirouter -- for when ICS failed <--- Must be plugged into the wall this program drains the battery faster than anything I have ever seen however it works very well
3. kevtris & Bubble Breaker <-- good to pass the time
4. Alarm clock <--- works as advertised
Now on to the iPhone. I have not Jail broken the iPhone yet. I'm not sure that I need to.
I'll start out with what I don't like
1. No background tasks <-- this reminds me of the days with my Palm IIIc
2. Running in the back ground is key to any instant messenger app so using Palringo on the iPhone is almost worthless
3. most apps do not exit gracefully or save state when you exit especially when you exit unexpectedly like when answering a call.
4. I hate the slide to unlock. You’re not going to accidentally dial someone with a capacitive screen when it’s in your pocket. It’s an unnecessary extra step
5. Lack of configuration options <-- I never thought I’d say this but this might be a blessing in disguise.
6. Lack of physical keyboard. It’s by far the best onscreen keyboard I’ve ever used but still not as good as the worst physical keyboard I have ever used.
7. Lack of a user exposed file I like to know where my files are and how to get to them. This hasn’t been a problem so far but I would feel better being able to browse a file system
That's really about all that I don't like about the iPhone here is what I like
1. Speed Speed Speed compared to my Tilt this thing is fast opening and closing most apps take about a second to open compared to 3 to 10 on my tilt depending on which app I open.
2. The display and capacitive touch screen together are both beautiful and extremely responsive
3. Visual Voice mail <-- love it I tried a bunch of visual voicemail apps for the tilt none worked as well as this. not making a call to check voice mail is great
4. The dialer <-- Its simple and it works when I dial a phone number all 10 digits show up as opposed to the tilt where I don’t think I ever dialed a 10 digit number correctly on the first try. I do miss the smart dialing from the tile though.
5. Networking <-- Other than problems with a hidden SSID's networking is smooth and transparent never had a problem switching from wifi to edge leaving WIFI on all day does not kill the battery haven’t had a problem with one app being able to access the internet while another cant
6. Battery <--- I can get through the whole day with a single charge on my iPhone I've even watched a half hour of streaming video over wifi at the end of the day before i was warned about a low battery. On my tilt if I used wifi or played back any kind of media or had Palringo open I needed to charge my Tilt before I got home in the evening.
I have yet to sync the phone with iTunes I haven't really found a need to yet. Although i probably will soon because there is a firmware update available
The apps I use
1. RSS Player <-- Great for downloading podcasts I can’t really compare it to how iTunes handles podcasts… I haven’t figured out how the iPod app handles audio playback especially in cases when you get a phone call while playing something. I will assume that the Apple apps have the power to run in the background
2. Orb Live <--- the 9.99 app was worth every penny it’s a sling box killer in I have access to my entire music collection my cable tv and recorded programs it works great and the video play back is great on the iPhone's screen
3. RDP lite <--- Simple RDP client it works well I am not limited to 640x480 as on the tilt it works more like the WM version of the Citrix Client
4. Stanza<--- I like ebooks I can read ebooks with this I actually prefer MS reader on the WM platform I have a trusty old Axim X5 with PPC 2002 on which I do a lot of reading at night. I can’t imagine buying a kindle and not being able to read in the dark on a side note the X5 has great rubber grips on the side and the buttons are in just the right place for page turns. you can probably pick one of these up for 10 bucks on eBay and have a great ebook reader for your night stand. While legitimate books are harder to find for MS reader most publishers produce versions of their books in the .lit format they are usually more expensive than kindle books but you'd have to buy a lot of books to make up for the price of the kindle.
I’ve spent hours on these forums tweaking and tinkering with my Tilt It was fun, I learned a lot but now I am done. Anybody else make the switch? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you used on WM that you don’t have on the iPhone or what you have on the iPhone that you didn’t have on WM.
I might make the same move someday. I'm really on the fence as to whether I want to give WM another chance and get the Touch Pro 2, or just bail for the iPhone's snappy OS (background apps and openness be damned).
I can't stand how bad the Tilt is (and, I assume WM6 in general) at moving between WiFi and cellular data. I have to forcefully close Outlook since it always wants to stick to whichever method it first used. Does it do that for everyone, or just because I'm using IMAP?
It's going to be a tough choice this fall between the Touch Pro 2 and, presumably, an updated iPhone. I think I'm just very soured on WM. The resolution of the Pro2 and the keyboard have huge appeal to me. If Apple ups the resolution, I think I'll be sold on them, since their touchscreen is a lot more accurate for typing the I had even though possible.
I'm getting ready to ditch the Tilt as well. Too slow, hesitant, and mostly Windows related problems. Had to do a hard-reset which didn't work as the keys were frozen. Ended up flashing another ROM once I got past the Serial port in the Red-Green-White windows and it said USB.
I cannot believe even Microsoft has no news group on their Windows Mobile software. Probably would scare other manufacturers off if they did. Even the buggy ActiveSync as well.
I had a couple of Nokias with Symbian OS and they ran fine. Never hesitated at all or froze requiring a reset. And their volume was LOUD compared to the HTC.
The Tilt is a gadget boy's toy, but it really is buggy.
Maybe the Nokia N96 next. They offered on their website a trade-in of $84 for the old Tilt.
Mack
The network issues were the nail in the coffin for me. the speed problems and quick battery drain were a close second. So far every time I open up Safari my web pages load no pop ups telling me how its now trying to "dial" the network the seamless transition between wifi and GPRS lets me use the device and not think about which network I'm on. With the Tilt if I left the wifi on battery was dead by noon and I always had to manually put my Tilt to sleep because there was always some app that would keep it awake with the back light burning draining my battery.
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
OK everyone, I have had both the tilt and Iphone. I have had my tilt since the begining and I have had a blast tweaking it into my personal reflection of my persona. i had an opportunity to get an Iphone through my work and i almost broke it with frustration. not only that it ask for $40 to connect and have internest access but I can't find my files anywhere where it is stored. I am a heavy Excel user and I had trouble with opening spreadsheets on outlook atachments. It took me a long time just to text a simple sentence since i have fat fingers. My tilt on the otherhand, I use both of my thumbs for texting and composing emails through outlook and it just boggles me that the iphone can be used by busy professionals. I still enjoy my tilt everyday. My favorite application is SLingbox, Avantgo, Tomtom, and about 50 games stored in my Micro 16g card. I have 18 of my favorite DVD movies stored and if you hook it up in your car through the headphone jack, you can watch and entertain your children on long trips. I love the tilt until some other HTC device replaces it.
You'll likely be back
I left my tilt...wanted something more finger-friendly, with a more touch-responsive (I.E. capacitive) screen. I opted for the Tmobile G1 using Android. The phone is gorgeous, the widescreen fabulous, trackball surprisingly useful, and the OS beautiful. I was blown away....and then reality set in.
The G1 is nearly useless without an internet connection, and I don't use a data plan, just wifi. The Android OS is indeed lovely, but there are only a handful of really useful programs. The tie-in with Google is worse than anything Microsoft ever crammed down your throat. 75% of video formats just don't work. I guess the bottom line is: crude. The applications are crude, the OS lacks so much as a file manager (tho 3rd party ones are available), and if you want to do anything vaguely resembling work, you are in the WRONG place.
Like a beautiful woman who's too dumb to use a toilet.
The G1 is up on ebay, and a new Tilt will be mailed to me tomorrow.
Hello Tilt
I wanted to get a iPhone and found some fundamental flaws. For a start, do you know that you can't do something as simple as "Cut & Paste"?
No removable battery. Try go on a trip for >5 hours and you know what you miss.
... a lot more.....
so, I bought myself a Tilt.
Hehehehe, any of you TyTN II/Tilt haters can send me your phones. I will gladly ship you a self addressed stamped BOX to dump your miserable horrible phone into, I will give it a proper pyrotechnic destruction (just trust me on that).
PM me or post here if you want a box sent to you for disposal of your terrible miserable lousy TyTN II/Tilt.
*grins*
I understand the fustration, my TyTNII have a love hate relationship, when it is running well I love it, even though the Touch Pro is out I won't upgrade. When it is slow and unresponsive I've looked at other phones and nothing does what this phone can do for the price.
I know people with Iphones and some are happy others are fustrated so YMMV.
I suggest jailbreaking and get an app from cydia called backgrounder it allows apps to run in the background which I think will be a solution to you IM apps!!
lol
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This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't what to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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best post of the century?
Awww... the link actually worked
Denko7,
I was truly expecting to get rickrolled when I clicked on your link, only to find that i was inundated with actual Iphone stuff. For those of you who are confused about rickrolling someone (or a forum) just click the below link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
replacement of Kaiser
i don't feel....there is any phone on the market now that makes me wants to makes a jump from kaiser,
touch pro.....nah...
touchHD...tsk...still not good enough, sure will misss the keyboard
X1...makes me wanna laugh at Sony ericsson
coming:
N97...symbian platform still lack the variety compare to winmo
touchpro2...yawn!! (just a quick make up over TP1)
OmniaHD...maybe if they include hardware keyboard i'll think over
seems to me no one cares to just make an all rounder(with useability and reliability in mind) that dominates the market...
they just keep on producing tons of new models and incorporating flaws in them intentionally and kinda just to force the consumer into it
and people yelling "yay, consumers right"
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This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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Amen. I'm willing to hear negative opinions from someone who made an effort to use their phone. Not from someone who never tried to do anything with it
I'm as picky as they come, and I'm happy with my tilt. It takes some effort, but the roms that are out there now are ready to go after a flash. I'm waiting for a MUCH better phone before I leap. And honestly, my tilt will go to another family member.
PS: Once that guy gets his Iphone, we should totally try to MMS him..... ;-)
I like the Tilt but...
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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I hate to tell you this, but the problems you describe above are due to user error... and probably it is the fact you are a software engineer in a world OTHER THAN Windows Mobile.
However, your comments about the phone being for productivitiy... you're right on! I don't care how perfect something is, if it doesn't work for _ME_, I'm not going to keep working it!
For people who enjoy tinkering
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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HEhehehe, maybe the 'productivity' is entertainment in making something work? I for one, spent 60 minutes downloading (meaning, I spent 10 seconds clicking 'Download' and picking where to put it, then 59 minutes doing other things till it popped up saying it was done), then about 5 minutes flashing. Then, about 10 minutes putting my SIM back in, re-entering data connection stuff, and re-syncing my contacts. that was it, and I was up and running with a "for me" bug free PDA v17 ROM...
Inordinate is a rather subjective term... inordinate for my grandfather is picking the phone up in the first place... inordinate for me is spending more than one night of sleep setting it up... HEhehehe
Bottom line, to each his own... and for you, you don't like WinMo...
So, what DO you like? What other OS is giving you ANY business productivity other than making phone calls, sending text messages, and composing e-mail? Any mobile phone will do those things, what are you saying you are missing for productivity in the WM world that you get from any other? (honest question, I simply don't know and refuse to say you can't, unless you can prove to me you can't)
So, I'll gladly send you a SASE to send me your 'dead' Tilt... let me know!
Every time I think I want to switch phones, I go look at all the options from AT&T and Verizon on phonescoop and the bottom line is this:
Touch screen - check
MiniUSB connection instead of some shoddy input that ends up breaking after a month - check
Windows Mobile so I can configure it exactly how I want - check
Qwerty keyboard that isn't just on screen - check
I have yet to find another phone that meets all these and is anywhere near better than the Kaiser/Tilt. My sister has the iPhone and it's crap IMO. My best friend has the Voyager and it's worse than that! Another has the ENV2 which is actually nice if you don't care to ever do any configuring of software because there's no WM and the Verizon interface is so limited.
So there. Have fun with all your subpar phones. I'll stay with mine.
Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
orbitalschool said:
Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
orbitalschool said:
Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
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lol first.. what use is gps without a map. and wp8 has native offline maps ready to download. you're trying to use a modern smartphone like a nokia 6600, that's why you're having problem. Try using it the way it's supposed to - the modern always online world.
By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
If you download the maps onto the device it includes a license for worlwide offline navigation (in supported countries - that means: if they have the mapping data, which they have I believe for ~ 80 countries worldwide). The same Maps are used in Here Maps and if downloaded work offline as well.
There is no file explorer though. If you transfer files to the Documents folder they will show up in the office hub. If you put files in the music folder they will show up in the Music Hub, etc.
So all in all you can't be completely offline due to the application store but otherwise you should be able to do everything you want with your WP8 device, although it works differently.
GoodDayToDie said:
By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
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There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
The difference between Windows Phone and Windows Mobile is deeper than the branding, but the branding is intended as a tip-off that they are *not* the same thing.
Windows Phone is a smartphone in the sense that iOS is a smartphone; it's pretty "smart" for a phone, but even Microsoft wouldn't have marketed it as a "PocketPC".
orbitalschool said:
There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
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The point is that there is very little amount of "personalization" possible. Try to use it instead as it is.