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New owner of a BA (O2 Xda IIs branded)
ROM:
Helmi BA WM2k5 AKU3.5 v1.4 Vanilla
Boot screen after a reset shows:
R: 1.15.00
G: 1337.45
D: 5.04.09.WWE
System Settings, About shows:
MW5 w/ the Messaging and Security Feature Pack
OS 5.1.195 (build 15698.3.5.0)
Applied patches:
BT Icon
Camera Patch
Flight Mode Patch
Applied registry changes:
Timezone and time update (doesn't seem to work)
I have looked all over the wiki and the forums trying to figure out if I have the latest versions of everything, and to say the least I'm confused.
I keep seeing references to the iMate BT stack upgrade, Helmi's BT Widcomm BT upgrade, the seven or more other BT upgrades on the FTP. My eyes are starting to cross.
There is getting the audio (OS, media player, etc) to be redirected to the BT headset vs the device itself (can't figure this one out)
There is the Cyberon voice dialer vs MS VC 1.5/1.6. From what I can tell, VC 1.5 doesn't work, but 1.6 does, which I can't get to install, and either one is supposed to be better than the Cyberon dialer (which I did install).
And then there is the BT file sending and receiving stuff, which I can't seem to find anything on either.
Nor what is OK to install from the massive amount of tools and utilities on the FTP server...
The wiki doesn't really seem to cover this stuff in an order that I can figure out, so I'm posting for help.
(Yes, I did try to figure things out, but after I had to nuke, repave and resync my handheld after a bad Widcomm BT 1.0.0.3900 upgrade package install, I decided to ask).
Does anyone have any advice? If I can get enough of this info together, I'll be more than happy to update or add a page to the wiki.
OK, pretty much all of your questions have been answered numerous times before in other threads - you just need to look beyond the most recent page.
How do you know about the common problems, but you still can't find the solutions? They are usually on the same threads!
A good way of doing this is by using the search tool on the main nav bar. As I am very nice , I have given you a few of the answers to your problems:
BT Send and Recieve - I use xplode's AKU 3.5, which has no bluetooth send function in File Explorer. I am not in the know about whether Helmi's ROM has this. If not, the best option is Resco's excellent File Explorer 2005 - I purchased it, and have never regretted it. It includes numerous improvements to the standard File Explorer, including sending and recieving files via Bluetooth.
This is my reccomendation on that one
BT Headsets - I do not own one of these, so can't help you here, but I have heard it frequently mentioned on the forum, so look around.
Voice diallers - To be honest, it depends on which one you like the best personally - both have most of the same features. I suggest you try M$ VC 1.6, then 1.5 and if either of them work, be thankful for what you have
Tools on FTP - Due to a high number of viruses on their recently, I suggest you stear away unless you have a reason (which you don't seem to) and you know what you are doing.
BT Stacks - These are separate software - they are not different versions. I suggest you use MS stack, as it has the most support from other sofware - widdcom is oftem not supported. And I suggest you stop fretting about whether you have the latest version! You don't have any reason to want it!
This is all I can help you with.
If any of this is not accurate, I'm sorry, but I'm only trying to help. I don't know everything there is to know YET
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OK, pretty much all of your questions have been answered numerous times before in other threads - you just need to look beyond the most recent page.
How do you know about the common problems, but you still can't find the solutions? They are usually on the same threads!
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I have, and the answers are either for older versions of the ROM, or refer to having something on the device (say, the BT stack) be a certain version, which I can't figure out which one I have.
Here's as example: Trying to find out how to find which BT stack I have and the version/build. Hit the advanced forum search, limit the search to just the BA forums, search for "find bluetooth build", get 30 threads, many of which have over 200+ posts, many of which are a year or more old.
Searching for "switch, widcomm, microsoft, stack, wm5" brings up two threads, one which say don't do the tutorial listed on another site, it will brick the phone, and the other is discussing another cooked ROM and doesn't say anything about switching the stack.
Then there are things like this post about removing the 3 second ring delay and making sure the ringer is really loud (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=258109). I ran across that one doing the above listed search. No where in the wiki that I saw under the BA pages was that listed.
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A good way of doing this is by using the search tool on the main nav bar.
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Yes, I am quite familiar with the search function.
hardingt0110 said:
As I am very nice , I have given you a few of the answers to your problems:
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While I do appreciate your effort, I'm afraid that none of my questions were answered.
BT send/receive, you say you don't know about Helmi's ROM as you don't use it, then recommend another piece of software (which I will look into, thanks)
Audio over the BT headset, you say you don't have one so you can't help.
Voice dialer, you suggest to try the MS ones, which I have said I have yet to find anything that states it will work on the ROM I have installed, much less where to find it.
FTP server virus scare. Eh, I'm not worried. I've very careful with unknown files and have AV and firewall software on the machine I run active sync on.
BT Stacks: There are different builds/versions out there from Widcomm, and I can't find anything on the MS stack. And yes I am going to worry about the different versions as there are reports of the various builds having better or worse performance and features.
I'm still confused on a lot of things. I'm trying to organize what I do find, but as I keep finding conflicting information, I'm getting no where.
I di thank you for the reply tho, and the pointer to the program. I still want to know about the ROM that is on my device tho.
jdc,
you got one of the best & the latest wm5 BA roms around. the choices anyway are xplode's aku 3.5, helmi's aku3.5 rom kitchen (similar to the vanilla version) & helmi/logout ROM.
if you want to add the latest additional programs, go download one of the earlier aku 3.5 v1.4 rom (non-vanilla) of helmi or xplode's aku 3.3 rom and extract the extended rom, add the dir to your storage card & reflash.
stop looking for newer versions at the ftp, all the threads of helmi & xplode are informative & comprehensive enough to answer your querries or provide you with the programs you may need. do check out the earlier aku3.3 threads of both so you can have an idea of what you are getting from the latest aku3.5roms. most if not all the progs you need are all there.
most of the confusion you have is because you strayed away from the thread you got the rom from. like the ms bt stack which is built-in in all the roms above, if you don't have problems with it then stick with it. if you read through the widcomm bt stack thread of helmi you will find out why some PREFER it. stress on that word because eventually it's your decision, like me i use ms bt because it serves my purpose well - i don't need to stream music to bt stereo headset, or transfer files using bt.
ms voice command v1.6 also works well in the roms. check out your version & file.
if you have any problem with other things, checkout the thread first before posting your problem & when you do post include all the info on your problem: i.e. bt reception problem using ms bt stack & hb200 in helmi aku3.x rom.
the ftp is a mix compilation of test files, new releases, & some very specific to a rom version. if you want to d/l something make sure it's from the directory of the rom ou have - ie.: helmi_c or xplode. stray from it at your own risk.
don't expect too much from wiki either, although the forum is moderated there are so much information to gather & compile to be as comprehensive for newbies. stick to the threads i've mentioned above, they are as good as the wiki. besides, xda-dev is not the iMate or Qtek or O2 forum where support is expected for the roms they publish. most of members here are enthusiast & sharing precious time & skills for free & for fun. (xda)-DEVELOPERS not users, although most users have benefited from it.
please don't get me wrong & get offended, i'm sparing you the bashing which others might give you for your post. oh i forgot, i'm a BA newbie too. "i've read all over", tried the roms, DECIDED to stick with it, and live with it & all the limitations this aku 3.5 brings (like smart dialing).
cheers!
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jdc,
you got one of the best & the latest wm5 BA roms around. the choices anyway are xplode's aku 3.5, helmi's aku3.5 rom kitchen (similar to the vanilla version) & helmi/logout ROM.
if you want to add the latest additional programs, go download one of the earlier aku 3.5 v1.4 rom (non-vanilla) of helmi or xplode's aku 3.3 rom and extract the extended rom, add the dir to your storage card & reflash.
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*snip advice for finding apps for the ROM, which BT stack is in the ROM, and MS VC info*
OK, got it. That's what I was trying to figure out, thank you very much for the info.
rhmartin said:
don't expect too much from wiki either, although the forum is moderated there are so much information to gather & compile to be as comprehensive for newbies. stick to the threads i've mentioned above, they are as good as the wiki.
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Ok, I will do this. The amount of information at this site is overwhelming to say the least. My first stop has always been the wiki (which is what a newbie is supposed to do), followed by the forum search. I have spent days worth of time searching and reading both trying to figure things out before I posted anything (I've been reading the following the site as much as I can since the BA was the top of the line phone). Due to the amount of people always stating to check the wiki made it seem that the wiki was the final repository of information, which it isn't always per your post. This alone will help me find the info I may be looking for as I won't have to spend so much time looking both places and getting more and more frustrated in the process.
rhmartin said:
besides, xda-dev is not the iMate or Qtek or O2 forum where support is expected for the roms they publish. most of members here are enthusiast & sharing precious time & skills for free & for fun. (xda)-DEVELOPERS not users, although most users have benefited from it.
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Oh, believe me, I know this and don't expect the developers to drop everything, as it were, to answer any and all questions that come their way (I see enough people on some open source project mailing lists who do that already).
In fact, I went and signed up for a MSDN account today. I didn't see any info on developing for MW6, just 5 at the moment, but I hope that I will be able to give back to the community that has provided such a great resource.
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please don't get me wrong & get offended, i'm sparing you the bashing which others might give you for your post. oh i forgot, i'm a BA newbie too. "i've read all over", tried the roms, DECIDED to stick with it, and live with it & all the limitations this aku 3.5 brings (like smart dialing).
cheers!
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Oh, I'm not offended in the least. You have provided me with good information, answered some of the sticking points I was running into, and gave me some very good advice and pointers on where to go from here. This is perfect for me. Now i know a bit more than I did before and know where to look.
I have no problem RTFMing, as it were, I just need to know where TFM is. :-D
Thanks again!
Hi,
Not been here for a while. I had an old XDAII Himi and came here to flash the rom etc and use it as a TomTom / IGO.
My mate is about to upgrade his Kaiser for something better so I'm getting it cheapo. Its an MDA so I assume it will be locked to T-Mobile. So the first task will be to unlock it so I can put my orange sim in it.
So what I'm looking for in advance is like a hitlist of things I need to do to turn a std T-Mobile Vario3 into a nice jazzy up-to-date unit.
Please give me some pointers / recommendations.
Thx
this page has a link to a few wikis that have themselves have other links to very useful pages
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=377
but to save me wasting time on things are mediocre , I'd prefer a list of 'must haves'.
EG the most popular rom and applications
Once you've hardspl'd (etc) your phone look at some of Dutty's 6.1 roms, they are usually a gd start. HTCcuustomiser is a usefull bit of kit for changing some of the icons etc of the phone.
After that its just a matter of trawling the forums for .cab files that look usefull.
Im a fellow newb thou, so you'll have 2 look them up yourself, im still learning the ropes myself!
Hi guys, i know there are similiar threads out there, but i cannot find a good guide to my question. Please help me out here.
I just got my HTC Diamond yesterday, and had lots, i mean LOTS of difficulty using it.. It too cheem. Haha, so will appreciate any help.
I think it's best to give u my phone infos:
ROM Version : 2.03.707.2 WWE
Speed 528Mhz
Ram size: 192Mb
Windows 6.1
(Need any more info, please ask me.)
Firstly, how do i change the Clock, time format to 12hr, instead of the 24hr clock.
Secondly, How can i turn off GPRS, so i won't have to pay extras in my bills.
Thirdly, SMS is quite difficult, what's the best way to use it with a hand and no stylus.
Fourthly, Is it posible to upgrade the version to 6.5?
Fifth, i saw something abt tweaking, how do i do that? And the only way to lock my phone is the power button is it??
Additional Questions:
There's another question. For example my old contact naming Wei Ming, when transfer to HTC, it change to Ming Wei, HOW TO SOLVE?? This is very important too.
Lastly, when i use MSN, then it import all e emails in my contacts, making it very messy, what can i do?
Please advise how to make my phone to become as user friendly as possible.
Thanks in advance!
Ok first things first yes you can upgrade to 6.5 although it is not officially released you can install it.
there are programs that you would want to install to help you do most of these things. take a look at these 2 threads for programs to help you achieve what you are trying to do.
Themes, Applications and Software <---Diamond sections / Development and Hacking <----General sections
look at Icontact for you contact issue
look for TF3D to configure the themes / wallpaper / and other items in Touch flow.
Any links u can give me to let me dl 6.5?
Storm913 said:
Any links u can give me to let me dl 6.5?
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hi and welcome to XDA
make sure you read this and understand it before you do anything or you might break your diamond
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211
Hey guys, i really encounter alot problem with it. There are many error reprting that make me send same report over n over again.
Then i could not use advance config, after i install, when i launch it, there a error report.
I cannot sync my contacts with the computer too.
Can anyone help me out quick?
Hi,
A way to disable GPRS is an app called NoData MoDaCo. Search the forum for it.
Also If you look in the settings there is a way to disable error reporting .
You have quite the laundry list of questions/issues. However all of them have been asked/answered in various threads around the Diamond (and other) forums. Please use the custom Google search as it is much more reliable then the default vBulletin search engine.
Thank you,
NATF
I have n unsuccessfully tried 4 times to put on various betas of wm 6.5 on my fuze but each time i end up having to go back to the one i had previously. can anyone please point me to the latest and stable 6.5 ?? Thanx to all.
duuuuudddeee!!!!
ummm...and what makes you think that this is the correct forum section for posting about the fuze? see the top-most bar on this page...see the place on the top-left where it says "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser general"?
use that same bar to navigate to the "ROM Development Section" of the relevant forum section for the fuze (also known as the "Raphael")!
niksha said:
I have n unsuccessfully tried 4 times to put on various betas of wm 6.5 on my fuze but each time i end up having to go back to the one i had previously. can anyone please point me to the latest and stable 6.5 ?? Thanx to all.
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Are you really trying to put a Kaiser rom on your Fuze ? After you brick your Fuze, can I have it. ?
We should just take it from him, endangering a piece of good tech..
Someone call the Gadget police.
Sometimes i wonder if the average smartphone is smarter than the average smartphone user?
Dibs on your brick
I have the Energy Rom 3.0 and I must say I have only found 1 bug (the contacts display on the dialer screws up when u scroll. Bust that is THE rom to flash if you want stability, speed and reliability. I really dont have anyother to recommend, Ive never had the need to replace my rom. I hope this helps. and...if your looking a Rom for the kaiser and accidentally called it fuze..man im having trouble finding a good rom for the kaiser with 6.5 myself, They told me that PDA Corner Ultimate-X2.V10 was a good one. So there you go.
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ChumleyEX said:
You are not excused..
He gave him info on a fuze ROM to begin with and then mentioned a kaiser one. Please read before downing someone. Ty
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You beat me.... was trying to delete my post before you posted this message.
welcome
Get yourself an xda-developers account so you can ask questions and become part of the community.
I know when I started looking into all this it just seemed like such a daunting task. There was so much information I just didn't know where to start. I looked and looked for a guide that would explain it all to me in one go but just couldn't find one. I had to read around for days trying to get all the information and tools needed to do it, then I had to experiment with lots of failures and swearing before I got the technique right.
It was only when a friend asked if I'd help him flash his M700 that I started to write a pretty detailed email for him. I then decided I'd post it here for you guys who are struggling because I know a few days ago I would have killed for something like this.
Right, we're gonna do the following:
1. Unlock the phone so you can use any SIM and any ROM even though it's locked to orange.
2. Upgrade the HARD SPL to OliPro 1.20
3. Upgrade the Radio version to 1.56.70.11
4. Upgrade the ROM to WinMo 6.5
5. Install a couple of little extras
First off make sure you have the latest ActiveSync 4.5 installed.
1. OK, first lets unlock it:
Go to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293957 and download HTC_Trinity_SIM_CID_Unlock_v1.zip
You just have to plug the phone in so it connects and run the Auto_unlock_v1.bat and follow the prompts.
It'll put your phone into bootloader (the tri colour screen) then flash it with a new radio. It's a really early version of the radio (1.16...) but it doesn't matter cos we'll upgrade that later.
It'll turn itself off when it's done so you need to turn it back on but leave it plugged in.
Keep following the prompts and eventually, it'll ask you on the phone screen if you want to unlock it. Say yes to both.
There we go, now you have an unlocked phone. But the old radio has probably made it so your satnav won't work.
2. Next let's get a new Hard SLP on there so you can flash other ROMs and Radios. This is the bit that took me ages cos finding the right one isn't too easy. I tried a couple but they wouldn't flash the radio then I heard about Olipro 1.20. I could only get hold of the latest version Olipro 1.30 and it took a while to track down an earlier copy. The latest 1.30 version doesn't work when flashing the 1.56 Radio so you need to have the 1.20 version.
Download the Olipro Hard SPL 1.2 from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380093&page=20 post #196
This is basically just another bit of software that will replace the SPL on your phone so you can flash Radio's and ROMs at your leisure.
Again, make sure the phone is plugged in and connected and run the ROMUpdateUtility.exe. It'll stick your phone in bootloader and do a little update that won't take long at all.
3. Now we're ready to flash the Radio. This is basically the drivers and settings of the phone that are there regardless of the actual version of windows you have. So once you flashed this radio (which is the most up to date) you can stick any version of windows mobile on the top and this will still be here at version 1.56.
Download the 1.56.70.11 Radio from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380093&page=5 post #44
Don't worry that it's all in Chinese. It still does the business on the phone and it's all still in english afterwards. You just have to remember which buttons you clicked on and which boxes you ticked from when you used the ROMUpdateUtility before.
WARNING! This will hard reset your phone right back to factory defaults after it's done, You need to ensure you've backed up all your numbers and files etc. You have been warned.
Connect your phone again and run the ROMUpdateUtility.exe from the 1.56 radio folder.
This will take a little bit longer, it took about 5 mins to do the update on mine.
Once it's complete you will need to turn your phone on again. It will first of all display the version of ROM then for a brief moment it will flash the Radio version on the screen, if it says 1.56.70.11 then you've got it right, if not then you'll have to try another HARDSPL tool. Don't worry if you miss it cos you can always check it on the 'Settings | System | Device Information' tab.
4. Ok now this is the bit where the choice is entirly up to you and you really do have to do what everyone says and experiment. There is no 'One ROM to rule them all...' Everyone wants different things from their operating system and you just have to play around until you get one you like. Some people want all the fancy bells and whistles of Manila2D (Touchflo) from 6.1 or the fancy honey cone start menu that comes with 6.5. I personally wanted a fast and stable operating system with has lots of free RAM and not too much rubbish that will slow the phone down. Remember our beloved Trinity's are getting a bit long in the tooth these days and even the most modern handsets (eg Touch HD) have trouble with WinMo 6.5 in some of it's forms. If you just want to get it upgraded then try this one out to start with, then when you realise how easy it is you can flash away til your hearts content.
Download Tomme45i's brilliant 6.5 ROM from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545758 You'll struggle to find a faster ROM out there. This is the 27017v2 which is one of the latest releases of WinMo6.5 out htere.
Connect the phone and run the ROMUpdateUtility.exe from the folder. Follow the prompts as usual and after about 5 mins it should have finished.
Turn your phone back on and hey presto! you're up and running with WinMo6.5.
All you have to do is re-sync you phone and all your numbers are back then you're away.
See that wasn't too bad was it. All it took was a few days researching on the XDA forums and endless head scratching when things didn't work. I think most of that time was just because I was unsure exactly what to do and in what order. if I'd just had a guide like this to at least get me through once I'd have found it a lot easier. You should still go away and do the research into any software or ROM/Radio you want to use because the threads contain a lot of useful information.
NEVER post a questions until you've read the whole thread cos chances are it's already been answered.
5. Just a couple of pointers about the ROM.
It was made by a Polish guy so there are a couple of things set to Polish. You will have to change the regional settings in 'Settings | System | Regional Settings' back to the country of your origin.
Also the finger keyboard is set to Polish and he hasn't included any other languages. You'll have to go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545758&page=3 to post #30. Download the skin set and copy it to your Windows\Skins folder on your device. This will allow you to select other languages for the keyboard.
It is quite a bare ROM so for that added little bit of BLING I added the S2U2 screen locking application. It basically gives you that little unlocking slider thingy from the iPhone (spit). Go to somewhere like http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Enhancements/S2U2-52386.shtml to download the CAB and install it as normal.
I also hate IE6 on these tiny screens. For a much better browsing experience I recommend Opera from http://www.opera.com/mobile/ You can scroll around the page and double click to zoom in. The tool bars also disappear when your browsing to give you more screen to play with. It works for me, you may not like it.
So that about wraps it up for this guide. I hope some of you total newbies find it a bit less daunting this way and will not be too scared to give other ROMs a try in the future, It's all about what you like and what you want out of your phone at the end of the day.
Please don't forget to donate some money to the chefs (especially Tomme45i) for all thier hard work if you appreciate their product. It doesn't have to be loads even if its only a pound or two. If everyone does it it mounts up. A happy chef is a chef who gets paid and releases lots of fixes/upgrades.
Do I have to take out memory card during this proccess?
Others have said you have to. but I must admit, I forgot at least once when i was flashing a ROM and it didn't seem to make any difference.
Best to take it out I guess as one of the other steps might rely on it not being in there.
Let me know how it goes.
Fantastic!
Only question-do you have P3600 or P3600i?
I have VPA compact GPS (P3600) and it seems to be different ROMs for them?
As far as I know the P3600 is exactly the same as the M700 except it has different casing. I'm currently using a different WinMo6.5 ROM with Manila that was made for a P3600 with no problems.
The P3600i has twice as much RAM memory and does require different ROM's to run.
I did it all that you said and everything is working fine, thanks for great info.
But I dont like installed ROM that you suggested and I want to flash with other one. My question is what I should flash, only ROM or I have to flash radio, olipro...?
The Radio and OliPro are now on your device until you decide to change them and overwrite them with something else. You only need to download a new ROM and install that on your phone as in the last stage of the tutorial.
This ROM by Tomme45i is very quick and very stable but it is quite simple too. Most people want something a bit more flashy. The problem with that is, with our old phones, the more bling you add the slower and more unstable they become.
I have recently put a good ROM on my phone. It is by Narshorn. It has the 23016 build of Windows 6.5 and a nice Manila2D front end (as well as the CHome front end where all the items are stacked top to bottom but I don't like that. I much prefer Manila2D). I think he is about to release a new version of it with some bug fixes in today (09/09/09) so it might be worth waiting for that.
Here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549146
It's well worth reading the thread to get a feel for the limitations the ROM has, but so far I've found it to be very fast and stable.
Don't forget to donate to Narshorn for all his hard work. You only have to give him a few pounds and it all adds up. He had over 200 people download his last build and only 2 donated.
The best thing to do at this point is to head over to the ROM development thread and just READ READ READ.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=359
Choosing a ROM is a very personal thing. Some will be perfect for someone and horrible for his friend. It just depends what you're looking for.
I only wrote this guide to get people started, the rest of the adventure is up to you to discover.
Good luck
I install tryniti 6.1. OS ultimate edition and for now I am satisfied.
Glad to hear it. Stick a link in to that ROM so others can try it out if they want.
Of course for me, I'd always try and find a 6.5 build because it has lots of finger friendly additions that mean you never have to get your stylus out to press any fiddly little menus.
Congrats ! Very GOOD Guide for new starters !
Hi chimpsinties,
I am reading since three days all the Trinity section here at the forum, each days three hours at least. I could say, this guide is quite actual, complete enough, and pointed very well, for one to start flashing an HTC P3600.
As myself.
Well, I am not a total newbie, I have flashed some months ago another device- FSCT830. But concerning Trinity- I have had no idea about until read here.
The device data up to the moment are:
ROM Version: 1.23.405.2
ROM date: 03/11/07
Radio Version: 1.38.00.11
Protocol Version: 32.71.7020.12H
ExtROM Version: 1.23.405.103
I assume the device is HTC P3600, but not HTC P3600i. Right ?
And before start asking details: is there any difference in your guide for G3 and G4 devices? How to determine what is it?
So I would to ask you some questions regarding the procedure and the availability of all original applications and devices in the new ROMs.
Please find below right inbetween your sentences, but IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
I am eager to test a new ROM !
Thank you in advance for reply.
chimpsinties said:
Get yourself an xda-developers account so you can ask questions and become part of the community.
Right, we're gonna do the following:
1. Unlock the phone so you can use any SIM and any ROM even though it's locked to orange.
2. Upgrade the HARD SPL to OliPro 1.20
3. Upgrade the Radio version to 1.56.70.11
4. Upgrade the ROM to WinMo 6.5
5. Install a couple of little extras
First off make sure you have the latest ActiveSync 4.5 installed.
1. OK, first lets unlock it:
SO, I HAVE THE DEVICE IN FRONT OF ME AND IT HAS BEEN NEVER LOCKED. I CAN USE ANY SIM CARD WITH. DOES THIS MEANS I CAN MISS THIS POINT ?
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There we go, now you have an unlocked phone. But the old radio has probably made it so your satnav won't work.
IF I STAY WITH THE CURRENT RADIO ROM- SHOULD I FLASH SUCCESSFULLY THE DEVICE WITH A WM6.1 ROM? (e.g. Tomme45i or other reccomended)
2. Next let's get a new Hard SLP on there so you can flash other ROMs and Radios. ..............................................
This is basically just another bit of software that will replace the SPL on your phone so you can flash Radio's and ROMs at your leisure.
I PLAN TO MAKE AN SSPL FROM HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293632&page=7 . IN THIS CASE I SHOULD MISS THE HARD SPL, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WITH TEH DEVICE'S ACTUAL FW. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
3. Now we're ready to flash the Radio. This is basically the drivers and settings of the phone that are there regardless of the actual version of windows you have. So once you flashed this radio (which is the most up to date) you can stick any version of windows mobile on the top and this will still be here at version 1.56.
Download the 1.56.70.11 Radio from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380093&page=5 post #44
Don't worry that it's all in Chinese. It still does the business on the phone and it's all still in english afterwards. You just have to remember which buttons you clicked on and which boxes you ticked from when you used the ROMUpdateUtility before.
IN CASE I CONSIDER TO UPGRADE THE RADIO ROM, BUT I HAVE MISSED POINT NO.1 HOW SHOULD I GUESS WHICH ARE THE BUTTONS TO CLICK IN ROMUpdeteUtility.exe ? IS THERE ANY GUIDE ABOUT, BUT IN ENGLISH?
...................................................................................Connect your phone again and run the ROMUpdateUtility.exe from the 1.56 radio folder.
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4. Ok now this is the bit where the choice is entirly up to you and you really do have to do what everyone says and experiment. ----------------------- I personally wanted a fast and stable operating system with has lots of free RAM and not too much rubbish that will slow the phone down. Remember our beloved Trinity's are getting a bit long in the tooth these days and even the most modern handsets (eg Touch HD) have trouble with WinMo 6.5 in some of it's forms. I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU HERE. I PREFER WM6.1 AS IT IS MORE ADAPTED TO THE HARDWARE OF P3600. BTW, ISN'T TOMME45i'S ROM FOR THE NEXT MODEL (3600i) ONLY? MY DEVICE HAS 128MB RAM, SO I ASSUME IS THE MODEL WITHOUT "i" .
Download Tomme45i's brilliant 6.5 ROM from here --------------------------.
AS PER THE METHOD OF FLASHING: YOU RECCOMEND THE ACTIVESYNC ONE.
BUT I HAVE READ A LOT OF COMPLAINTS SAYING THE DEVICE LOOSE THE CONNECTIONS WITH THE PC DURING IT. THEREFORE I AM THINKING OVER THE SDCARD METHOD OF FLASHING. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT?
5. Just a couple of pointers about the ROM.
I also hate IE6 on these tiny screens. For a much better browsing experience I recommend Opera from http://www.opera.com/mobile/ You can scroll around the page and double click to zoom in. The tool bars also disappear when your browsing to give you more screen to play with. It works for me, you may not like it.
ISN'T OPERA CONSUMES MORE RAM THAN IE6 ?
AND LAST QUESTION: WITH ALL THE ROMS YOU HAVE TESTED, CAN YOU SAY WHICH OF THE ORIGINAL APPS AND FUNCTIONS ON THE DEVICE ARE NOT WORKING DEFINITELY WITH MOST OF THEM? E.G. WHAT WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE MAKING A NEW ROM FLASH?
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Wow, that's a big post. I'll try and answer it all as best I can.
To start with, it's very important to know if you have a P3600 or P3600i. The P3600 has 64MB RAM and 128MB Flash, the P3600i has 128MB RAM and 256MB Flash. The upgrade ROMS are designed to work specifically with each version of the phone.
Tomme45i's ROM I link to in the tutorial is definitely for the P3600 (SPV M700) because I had it on my handset for weeks and it worked perfectly.
I don't know what a G3 or G4 device is? Sorry
Your radio version looks very old. I would get that upgraded to the 1.56.70.11
Regarding unlocking. It is probably worth doing the 1st step anyway. Even though you're phone might be SIM unlocked to use any provider, it might still be CID locked, which means it can only use the stock ROM that came with the device. You might need to CID unlock it to allow you to change your ROM.
That way, if you do the first step, you will get used to the ROM Update Utility screens and it won't matter that they are in Chinese for the 3rd step.
I would recommend OliPro's v1.20 of HardSPL. It is virtually impossible to brick you're phone using this and you will really struggle to get the 1.56.70.11 Radio on there if you use anything else. It's the only one I found that would allow me to upgrade the Radio.
As mentioned above, I've tried lots of combinations of software and the steps in the guide were the best way to get it all to work perfectly for me.
Windows Mobile 6.5 is much better for finger friendly use. Windows 6.1 still uses a lot of the old menu styles which you usually need a stylus for. I hate Windows Mobile 6.1 now and would always look for a 6.5 ROM. When I say that these devices are not made for 6.5, I only refer to all the extra really fancy bits of the software like TouchFlo3D, CHome etc etc
Some of the 6.5 ROMs are very fast and very clean (no extra fancy bits) especially Tomme45i's. I would strongly recommend you go for a 6.5 ROM and not a 6.1. Even the 6.5 by Nashorn I recommend in a later post is very fast and looks great with the Manila2D. I use it now instead of the more plain Tomme45i ROM. You also get the gestures support so you can sweep your finger across the screen to move menus (like the iPhone) which is very cool.
Regarding the technique used to flash the ROM, I can't comment. I've never used the SD card technique. I have flashed my phone over 20 times using the USB cable and never had a problem. What could be easier than plugging it in to the PC and double clicking a program.
I like the way with Opera you can scroll around a bigger page by dragging you finger and zoom by double clicking, however I found that Opera does not support online streaming video. I now use IE8 which is included in the Nashorn ROM. It's very nice. You can even choose to browse as a desktop device (so you get all the pages rendered normally) or a mobile device ( so you get the reduced size pages) which is a very nice feature. As you experiment with the software, you find what you like and what you don't like. It's all personal choice, what is good for me won't be good for everyone. It's just a guide after all
Of all the ROMs I've tested I've never found any of the basic things that come with Windows Mobile missing. They all usually have Office, Windows messenger, Media player etc etc. I've never found myself having to sacrifice anything to run a new ROM, you usually just find extra things you didn't know you needed
I would say, a finger keyboard is very important, the combination of a 6.5 ROM and finger keyboard means you never have to get your stylus out any more. Both the ROM's I recommend come with a Finger Keyboard included.
It's just a case of finding Cabs for the things you want extra, S2U2, GAlarm, TomTom etc.
I hope I've been able to answer all your questions. Most of what you're asking is just a question of what you like. This is why they always say, 'Just try things until you find what you like'. I wrote this guide so that people who didn't really know what they were doing could get a feel for it and then experiment on their own.
Best of luck, and don't forget to donate to a chef if you like his cooking. That way they will continue to cook for us on this old hardware.
Nice thread - very informative. When I think of the fun and games I had when I first found XDA Developers and downloaded what I needed to unlock my Orange SPV M700 (had several screens open and several downloads on the go)
I have the Narshorn WM6.5 build with Manilla 2D and it has given my phone a whole new lease of life (I was getting bored of WM6 and was looking to buy a new WM6.5 device)
Stuck in Tri-Color screen
Hi,
Thanks for composing all the steps here in an easy to follow manner.
My phone is in super CID mode.
I'm running Vista ultimate.
Whenever I try any of the steps you've specified, they phone goes to the boot loader and remains in tri-color mode. The connection with vista mobile device center is cut off, but the phone itself is not stuck. If you disconnect the USB it says "serial" and if you connect it, it goes back to "usb".
Nothing more happens.
I tried SD flashing as well (renamed the file as specified), but it doesn't do anything. I can start the boot loader, but it doesn't do anything.
I've searched the forums for the error 260, but found nothing useful for flashing with vista.
I also tried unchecking the "allow USB connections" in the mobile device center, but then the device just doesn't connect.
What step am I missing?
Thanks.
Hmmmm
Unfortunately I don't use Vista so I haven't researched any problems associated with it. I know people suggest downgrading the USB drivers or if possible using an XP machine to do the flashing. There is no reason why the SD card technique shouldn't work although I haven't tried it myself.
It might be worth posting on the main board with your problems. I wrote this guide with nothing more than my own experiences in mind and unfortunately haven't had a vast amount of experience at this myself. Maybe I was just lucky to have got it right first time.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help and I hope you get it sorted soon. It's well worth persisting because getting WM6.5 on the old Trinity will transform it and give your years (or at least months) more life out of it. Unitl you get bored and want more power to play with all the cool new features like Touchflo 3D etc
Thanks
Thanks anyway. I'll start my quest for an XP machine.
Great ! It works !
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Wow, that's a big post. I'll try and answer it all as best I can.
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Great ! It works !
I decided to follow exactly all your advices. And now I have a pretty good WM6.5 on this HTC 3600.
I am missing now the Video call and the (other than English) finger keyboard.
I think you have mentioned as finger keyboard, the one that appears when you are trying the write somewhere in the programs. You have not had in mind a special program, right ?
A per video cal- I have followed the developer's advice at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545758&page=3 (post 21), but when I press the green key, still no 'video call' button. Am I missing something ?
I can also report the following navi progs are working just with clicking on the respective .exe on the memory card available with the old, original WM5.0:
Garmin XT5.020, TT7.915, MN7.4.3; iGo8.32, Navitel 3.2.6.
AxxlPPC said:
and the (other than English) finger keyboard.
I think you have mentioned as finger keyboard, the one that appears when you are trying the write somewhere in the programs. You have not had in mind a special program, right ?
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The FingerKeyboard is actually cooked into the ROM, but is missing the extra languages to save on space. You need to add the ones you want separately.
As I said in the first post:
Chimpsinties said:
You'll have to go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...=545758&page=3 to post #30. Download the skin set and copy it to your Windows\Skins folder on your device. This will allow you to select other languages for the keyboard.
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This means you will have access to all the other languages for the finger keyboard. The FingerKeyboard is actually cooked into the ROM, but is missing the extra languages to save on space. You need to add the ones you want separately.
AxxlPPC said:
A per video cal- I have followed the developer's advice at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545758&page=3 (post 21), but when I press the green key, still no 'video call' button. Am I missing something ?
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Don't you have to enable the video calling in advanced options? or maybe download a small fix .cab file that will enable it? I can't remember right now. I've only ever used video calling once and that was just to see what it was like.
I'm glad yo got it to work anyway
Now you can try other ROMs and see which one you like most. I'm still loving nashorns rom with Manila2D but I think he's been having problems with it recently.
It can be tempting to stick with one ROM just because you have got it working. Soon you'll be so good at reflashing it'll only take you about an hour to do it and get all your programs and settings back exactly how they were.
How?
AxxlPPC said:
Great ! It works !
I decided to follow exactly all your advices. And now I have a pretty good WM6.5 on this HTC 3600.
I am missing now the Video call and the (other than English) finger keyboard.
I think you have mentioned as finger keyboard, the one that appears when you are trying the write somewhere in the programs. You have not had in mind a special program, right ?
A per video cal- I have followed the developer's advice at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545758&page=3 (post 21), but when I press the green key, still no 'video call' button. Am I missing something ?
I can also report the following navi progs are working just with clicking on the respective .exe on the memory card available with the old, original WM5.0:
Garmin XT5.020, TT7.915, MN7.4.3; iGo8.32, Navitel 3.2.6.
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Question, did you do this in Vista?
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orenroot said:
Question, did you do this in Vista?
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No, on an XP netbook (LenovoS10e).
there were several reports in the thread Vista has to be updated with some drivers before being capable to do the flash on Trinity.
I want to correct myself in a point:
MN7.43 starts, but crashes under WM6.5 I am still trying to find a workaround about that.
I've made all the changes to my Orange Spv M700 according to Your great guide!
It looks great!
Can anyone tell me which IGO8 runs on this ROM?
How can I change the default ringtone please? It gives me three choices without being able to browse to other ringtones....
I've got about 600 contacts I don't want to change them one by one....
Thank You!