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why shoud i upgrade my rom?

im going to be getting 2 8125s, looking around some web pages people are upgrading there phones software, why? is the one the phone comes with that bad?

Different systems offer different things. If you have a NEED for one of those things, you may want to consider it. If you take a look around you might also notice that there are more than a couple people who had no idea what they were doing but didn't let that stop them and trashed their phone. It's a really good idea to read, read and then read some more before putting a new system on the device. Know what you're getting into and know what the potential problems are and what you can do about them. Is your device a G3 or a G4? Better know or there's a 50/50 chance of turning your device into an expensive paperweight. More, your warrantee disappeared the moment you started the process. This isn't to say changing the system is fraught with danger, it can be a smooth process if you know what you're doing and follow the directions. But personally, I break into a sweat every time I do it and, not to take away from the guys that create them but I've decided that these custom ROMs just aren't worth it so I stick to the operator ROMs. They've gotten quite good lately, they're operator supported and they don't void your warrantee.

thats what im thinking, being the phone has been out for a while, all the bugs should be worked out.

I upgraded mostly for the better stability. After the 2.17 rom upgrade I really haven't noticed much better speed. But its alot better then when I first got the system.

First of all let me say that is the best n00b post ever from what i have seen!!! you didnt ask a question that has been covered a million times!!!
different strokes for different folks... if you get yours and your happy with its performance and loaded software then there is no need to upgrade... I think most of us have gone for performance and functionality... we were/are happy with the phone overall, but just want to squeeze just a little more out of it then research your options...
just like the old saying, if its not broke then dont fix it.. if your happy, then dont change it... changing roms on these can lead to headaches if your not experienced

Diamond is probably the worst phone I ever used

Its slow, its buggy, the battery life is non-existent.
I haven't tried the cooked roms yet, but out of the box, with nothing installed.... its almost unusable, and I already had it for 3 weeks.
Pretty pathetic for a $800 phone.

Talk about speaking your mind
I do not own a Diamond device however i can tell you (with respect to ANY HTC device) that the ROM that it comes with is not the ROM you want to keep. Look into flashing and you should have a much more pleasing time with a vigorous device.

How odd.
I have mine for about 3 weeks now, batterylife is now about 3 days including 3G browsing, using TomTom, calling etc. (improved a lot since day 1, when it only last for 1 day)
Interface is very fast, its only slow when I close Opera after browsing for about 5 seconds, after that performs fast again.
It is running a cooked ROM though.

Very useful thread... one of many.
With some tweaks the HTC performs well. Even the battery.

kareem9nba said:
Talk about speaking your mind
I do not own a Diamond device however i can tell you (with respect to ANY HTC device) that the ROM that it comes with is not the ROM you want to keep. Look into flashing and you should have a much more pleasing time with a vigorous device.
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True, but my Prophet and Trinity were not anywhere close to the level of "suck" that this phone comes to.

bakman said:
How odd.
I have mine for about 3 weeks now, batterylife is now about 3 days including 3G browsing, using TomTom, calling etc. (improved a lot since day 1, when it only last for 1 day)
Interface is very fast, its only slow when I close Opera after browsing for about 5 seconds, after that performs fast again.
It is running a cooked ROM though.
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3 days? which rom are you running?
Im down like 40-50% battery after an hour of music....

yegor said:
Its slow, its buggy, the battery life is non-existent.
I haven't tried the cooked roms yet, but out of the box, with nothing installed.... its almost unusable, and I already had it for 3 weeks.
Pretty pathetic for a $800 phone.
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so what ? return for refund, i`ll keep mine nothing change

Im down like 40-50% battery after an hour of music....
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i though you wanted a phone (it's in the title), not a mp3 player..change the title accordingly and yes, very useful thread! never heard of battery life problem.......interesting... keep them coming!
share with us yr wisdom!

KukurikU said:
i though you wanted a phone (it's in the title), not a mp3 player..change the title accordingly and yes, very useful thread! never heard of battery life problem.......interesting... keep them coming!
share with us yr wisdom!
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Keep your elitist **** to your self, pidoras.
That was an example of the poor performance of the phone. My Trinity could do 4 hours, and it wouldn't even drain he phone that much.

It's just not performing poor.
Just installed HTC's own new 1.37 rom ... and see, it's a almost full functional device!
Fast, no lags (it's not a 3300 nokia!!) lots of usability, navigating, mailing, exchange, foto's, sound, browsing, the whole bunch in my pocket.
A lot of these topics, but I am glad i bought one

I must say battery life is very poor in music playback with set of stereo bluetooth hedphones, i get about 3 hrs max just using music and no phone calling etc. it seems to me that when the battery gets to the last 2 bars it doesnt last long at all. im on the latest rom, phone calling/sat nav and surfing via 3g doesnt seem to be that much of a problem to me battery wise. Ill be picking up the extended battery, i wouldnt swap this phone for any other though!

yegor said:
Keep your elitist **** to your self, pidoras.
That was an example of the poor performance of the phone. My Trinity could do 4 hours, and it wouldn't even drain he phone that much.
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Just had a nice time reporting you (c)
Besides, he was right.. The phone is not as bad as you said, the things you said just prove that you don't know how to use it to it's potential, that's all...
Yes, I don't own a Diamond (waiting for the Pro), but from what I can see on this forum, for each 10 whining people, there are 50 or more who love the phone after tweaking it for themselves..
The topics like this are pretty much useless, as the only thing they contain is whining, but don't actually give anything useful
My regards..
P.S. You are russian, aren't you?

This is the best phone I ever used
With the reg tweaks here from the wiki the battery lasts about 2 days - I can live with that (remembering my "old" PDAs where battery lasts not a half day *ggg*). We wanted it full featured and slim - so we habe to live with this "battery issue".
But I ordered the extended battry from HTC yesterday - just in case

Cendaryn said:
This is the best phone I ever used
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/me cheers

IMO A2DP is going to drain the battery of any phone?
Whats battery life like on core player with corded headphones?

The rom that came with it (for most people) is slowwww.
A rush to get the phone out i think, but i think alot of people would have made that compramise - have the phone 3 weeks ago with a slow rom and be able to upgrade it around now.
Check the roms section you can find the official rom updates for each region there. You don't need to do any hard SPL modifications to use those, and therefore shouldnt affect your waranty. I would suggest that first.
Flaming is just pointless, and alot of people had the same thoughts at 1 point, i know i did!

I'm looking to get a Diamond and TBH find threads like this useful. I know its a Marmite kinda thing (love it or hate it) but it gives a indication of what the phone is like.
I want a Daimond and wil lsoon be getting one from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
If he said the phone was one of the best ever made you wouldn't slate him and degrade him....so why do it otherwise???
Afterall its a Forum and peoples opinions are their own! Forums wouldn't exist otherwise!

cammy3000 said:
from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
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Thats a good price. If you dont mind me asking, how are you getting it for £230 Non Contract?

I have to say this is probably the most ocvered topic for every single HTC out there, I have had almost all production releases and everytime someone always states its the worst phone ever! truely this can't be the case.
There are phones that have been much worse and this is a PDA with lots of extras that why you pay more oh and the fact you purchased it so early. give it a chance with a newer rom.

cammy3000 said:
I want a Daimond and wil lsoon be getting one from Orange (£230 NON CONTRACT!!) and want as many users feelings for the phone as possible.
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Where in the hell are you getting it for £230? Link please..

Should I get an HTC Touch Diamond?

I have read lots about the Diamond in the last couple of days with many conflicting views. But it seems like this site is full of tweaks that might actually improve the phone.
Can the users here tell me if they think I should get one and give just one reason why?
Thanks,
Jon

please read before you bother to post
this is asked all the time....
you need to take the time to read and make up your own mind
i am more than happy with my diamond
welcome to the forum

Same here happy as a dog with my Jewel.
I believe all my fellow Forum members are 100% happy of the powerful Jewel they own.
Trust us you wont be disappointed specially after a visit to the kitchen

Im happy with mine coming from a nokia n95, ok the diamond could do with a flash and a better battery.
Other than that its all good....

There are loads of posts about this dotted over the forum, granted they are a bit of a trek to find.
It all depends on what you want to use the phone for. For my needs its great. Plays music, cameras ok, the VGA screen is really really nice and I do actually like TouchFlo 3D.
Good luck with the searching, and hope you find the answers to help you decide.
And I have to say the Diamond is the best phone ive owned, and ive had a lot of mobiles and pdas in the past. Its mainly thanks to this forum for that. So many dedicated people. Thanks xda!

Part of the reason for me leaning towards the Diamond is the existence of this forum. When I found it, I thought to myself, "Wow! Loads of help at hand, regular ROM updates, tweaks, the lot!"
Currently I have an old Sony Ericsson K750i and the joystick barely works now, so it would be a big step up.

Jon12345 said:
Part of the reason for me leaning towards the Diamond is the existence of this forum. When I found it, I thought to myself, "Wow! Loads of help at hand, regular ROM updates, tweaks, the lot!"
Currently I have an old Sony Ericsson K750i and the joystick barely works now, so it would be a big step up.
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Well im sure it would better than the current SE phone. Heres some of the reasons why i love my diamond.
1. So many app / utils / tweaks available and very cheap to buy extra programs for it. (donations to developers are all good to!)
2. Activesyncing my phone to my pc, always been an easy task with Windows Mobile.
3. Being able to control my phone using my PC (MyMobiler - excellent little program)
4. The Small size of the phone, it really is very small! Easy to use one handed
5. Screen Quality - VGA, you wonder how you coped before!
6. Easy to transfer info to and from the phone - Activesync or Removable Drive (USB Flash drive)
7. GPS - Tomtom on your mobile, excellent! Works very well
8. 4GB Storage - Plenty of space for what i need.
There are tons more! Post would be the longest on here if i kept on talking! hehe!

Here's my 2 cents. Got my Diamond yesterday, loved it, it look so wonderful. Just bear in mind that I am coming from a Trinity with a fast ROM.
I started to play around with the phone for awhile and took me back to when Winduhs released that beta testing Vista. It looked nice and pretty but it was a pain to use after you've been using XP for a while.
Regardless of what i just said, i love the Diamond and I might keep it. It makes my Trinity looks like a monster but it lags too much as it is.

If support and constant updates/improvements is what you're looking for, you've found the right phone. This forum is above and beyond any community I've ever seen when it comes to tweaks, ROMs, and any sort of improvement you could possibly make to your device. Just make sure to read all directions and pay attention closely, a lot of these things can turn your beautiful Diamond into a $700 brick.

Mainly because it's a tool which simplifies my work/life...not a mere toy to be shown on saturday evening (any reference is casual )
But in any case those are all personal opinions, I think you should make your own considerations and evalutions of a product before to buy that or another.
Be a subject talking about an object, not viceversa

Got mine last Thursday on Vodafone... it was nice, but a little laggy, then I updated it with a cooked ROM (swiftBL I think it was) and its a little beast now! Best phone ever!
Trying to get TomTom 7 on it at the mo.
For my first WinMo (coming from a Motorola KRZR) its just superb! And with a little READING the instructions, its pretty easy to update the ROM, add apps etc...
Get one and never look back!
Please don't be a fanboy!

DanGlee said:
And with a little READING the instructions, its pretty easy to update the ROM, add apps etc...
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Someone who reads the directions and finds it easy to do, without asking 500 times how to flash a ROM?
Edited to maintain my reputation of not being gay. Hah.

Jon12345 said:
I have read lots about the Diamond in the last couple of days with many conflicting views. But it seems like this site is full of tweaks that might actually improve the phone.
Can the users here tell me if they think I should get one and give just one reason why?
Thanks,
Jon
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If you have no problem to spend some extra money in missed calls, in general is a good toy.
THERE IS A UNSOLVED BUG WITH THE PHONE ON SCEEN BUTTONS. Every time when you receive a call and put it out of the pouch you answer or loose the call automatically. This is a bull****.

Just use the Diamond tweak tool thingy and I can see vast improvements already, you guys don't mess around huh? I want my diamond to perform, i have a bad habit of using my phone while driving, which is a bit hard to do on a touchscreen. I think my Diamond is almost there.
I really don't want to flash this puppy, kinda scared of ruin my warranty.

RingTone01 said:
I really don't want to flash this puppy, kinda scared of ruin my warranty.
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Just be cautious in whatever you do, and make sure you don't brick it... Whatever you do, as long as it's done correctly, can be reversed later on. Original SPL, original ROM, 100% warranty okay. But hey, if you're happy with the performance now, leave well enough alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Thanks for the heads up, I figured that if everyone is trying to get a diamond ROM why should I do anything, except for tweaking it of course.
I was surprised to see that the ROM I have on my Trinity isn't the same as the real thing. It works, and works well and that is all that matters.

Fastest, most stable and with the least amount of bugs. Which rom?

Which cooked rom offers the best stability, speed and least amount of bugs for a T-Mobile HTC TP2? I'm new and would like some opinions. Thanks!

It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully I didn't annoy others. Sorry folks.

If you are looking for stability instead of eye candy then go for the ROMs without HTC Sense. I know it looks good, makes you feel good when you swiipe left and right and up and down, but the fact is that as soon as it is disabled your battery life will improve, you will have more RAM to run different applicatons, and the device will not get bogged down. I bought the Touch Pro 2 because I like Windows Mobile. It works. The Touch Pro 2 is as powerful a device as I could ask for running WM or really anything else. HTC sense is just a VERY in depth overlay. In the end it is an application which takes up processing power, memory, and reliability. I am currently using the Cell Evo V6 with NonSense (I like that and the two Royal Physicians I've had agree...haha!! I named this drink!!) and the battery life has improved drastically, as has reliablility, and my ability to mutitask.

cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.

nokiadashi said:
cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.
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totally agrees on cell pro series
do try others aswell,and see what suits ur taste

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully the thread is not locked. It is a completely reasonable question to ask and it would be absolutely wonderful if members were a little nicer to people who are obviously new and requesting a little guidance. I don't cook ROMs. I don't often come up with great solutions to problems with a ROM and put those solutions into little .cab files for everyone. I don't write applications. I've only donated to a few ROM cooks (maybe three or four maximum) since I have been a member here. One thing I can do is offer a little advice and assistance to those who do not even have my limited experience...those to whom I have something to offer. Why not try this?
To get back on topic though, I might as well try to answer the question a little better than I did last night. I had an excuse then!
I have tried pretty much every ROM for the Rhodium and I found myself really enjoying the Energy ROMs but encountered a few bugs here and there which gave me reason to try something else. I really like those Energy ROMs but I always feel like I am waiting for the next one so I can get rid of a problem on the one I'm using. I tried the latest ROM from Ark666 and I really like that one. It appeared to be very stable and it just looks good. I'm not referring just to HTC Sense but everything really looks nice. However, when I disable the HTC messaging client there is no MMS option and I couldn't get it working so I gave the Cell Evo a try. Everything seems to work and it has been rock solid. No freezing or sluggishness.
I have gone back to the defaut Windows Mobile today screen instead of HTC Sense and right now I am using just the basic original one. After a restart I have about 110mb of free Program memory this way and getting to new messages, opening the calendar, and so on is so much simpler and quicker than with HTC Sense.
Windows Mobile is great...I really like it. Instead of covering it up with all that extra graphical distraction why not focus on tweaking what is already there and making dedicated applications that are of greater use?

I have to agree....Best ROM used so far is The cell pro series v11.

Cell pro series but the 21xxx series windows mobile build ones. Also the energyrom Sense 2.1 ROMs, also 21xxx build version. Both are really fast and stable, love them both equally, hard to decide between them for sure.

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totally agrees on cell pro series
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I'll have to try that one out. Seems like something I can really rely on.
BTW, thanks pinhead.

[Q] Getting an IS tomorrow or on monday...

But, where should I start?
Is it really necessery to flash a custom ROM, or is this phone snappy enough with Sense (but I'll probably use GoLauncher or LauncherPro, I only use 1 homescreen...)?
Which tweaks are really necessery to make the phone's battery survive for more than 24 hours, when texting pretty much?
Perhaps the phone's battery survives even though I text a lot (between 100-500 texts/day, depending on how bored I am)?
How's the vibrator in this phone, can I have it in silent mode and have it in my pocket and actually notice when I get a text?
My current phone's vibrator is pretty crappy.
I've been browsing this forum for some time now but haven't found anything that answers my questions... I come from an Acer Liquid A1, without CM7 or MIUI that phone is probably one of the worst phones ever done. But, I sure hope this community is just as active as the one the Liquid had, and still have
(lol, "is this a question?" eh, it's many questions... )
oh, and one more thing; is this device brickable? or can you always reset it to default, like with the liquid? if something f...s up you can always boot into bootloader and reflash a *.bin
Help a newbie to get started, and flashing things and stuff is nothing new. Only the way to root it is new for me... :/
Regards,
Me
(hopefully I haven't missed a thread that answers all my questions, but of what I've found I haven't found anything that actually helps me. if I've missed it, just link to it and remove this thread )

Splux said:
But, where should I start?
Is it really necessery to flash a custom ROM, or is this phone snappy enough with Sense (but I'll probably use GoLauncher or LauncherPro, I only use 1 homescreen...)?
Which tweaks are really necessery to make the phone's battery survive for more than 24 hours, when texting pretty much?
Perhaps the phone's battery survives even though I text a lot (between 100-500 texts/day, depending on how bored I am)?
How's the vibrator in this phone, can I have it in silent mode and have it in my pocket and actually notice when I get a text?
My current phone's vibrator is pretty crappy.
I've been browsing this forum for some time now but haven't found anything that answers my questions... I come from an Acer Liquid A1, without CM7 or MIUI that phone is probably one of the worst phones ever done. But, I sure hope this community is just as active as the one the Liquid had, and still have
(lol, "is this a question?" eh, it's many questions... )
oh, and one more thing; is this device brickable? or can you always reset it to default, like with the liquid? if something f...s up you can always boot into bootloader and reflash a *.bin
Help a newbie to get started, and flashing things and stuff is nothing new. Only the way to root it is new for me... :/
Regards,
Me
(hopefully I haven't missed a thread that answers all my questions, but of what I've found I haven't found anything that actually helps me. if I've missed it, just link to it and remove this thread )
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I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.

You should easily get 24 + hours if all you do is text mainly. Just remember to turn data off. It will help make your battery last longer.
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I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.
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Well, my current phone dies pretty quickly when texting a lot. Today it went from 60% down to 5%, and I woke for 11hours ago and have been texting ppl since then.
And I'm buying a new phone since my 4 touch-buttons on this one is getting really weird, they only work sometimes and yesterday they all died so I was stuck in a conversation and had to reboot to get out of it.
And sending texts and stuff is what I mainly do, of course I browse the Internet, play games and everything. During school and such I only text people, and a lot. So I pretty much needs the phone to make more than 24hours without charging it, even though I text a lot and listen to music.
@NardVa;
Won't be a problem. Already thought of that
Thanks for the replies

sdxda said:
I don't think you need a custom ROM. See if the battery is good enough for your needs. Remember to drain the battery completely multiple times to "train" it.
On another note, why get such an expensive phone, just for texting? It's going to drain a lot of battery while you are looking at the screen. Might as well go for a feature phone imo.
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I was going to suggest flashing, the stock rom is garbage for battery life. Android Revolution HD seems to be one of the more popular choices, but of course Cyanogen Mod is there if you decide the Sense UI isn't your thing

swatsor said:
I was going to suggest flashing, the stock rom is garbage for battery life. Android Revolution HD seems to be one of the more popular choices, but of course Cyanogen Mod is there if you decide the Sense UI isn't your thing
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I've made up my mind now, I'll use the official GB ROM for a couple of days/weeks/months (basically untill I'm tired of Sense 2.1) and then flash a Sense 3.0 ROM and hopefully I can understand which one of all those RUU's that's made for Europe too when I'm bored of Sense 2.1
You don't happen to know how it is with bricking this phone? Can you always reset it to stock, or can you actually brick it for real so it's 100% unusable?