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Hello all!
Please excuse me if this has been told already, i know alot of winmo 6.5 threads floating but i haven't had a chance to surf around since i've been moving and my internet won't be up till the end of the month (bastards!)
I was at an event at work today, there was a microsoft rep that had a raphael with winmo 6.5 fully working..
Seems to be pretty slick from playing with it for about 20-30 minutes
I know the touch pro 2 will be shipping with this pre-installed.
Black bars seem to be installed, the main screen offers features of an "overview" style and when you hit the windows button you get the honeycomb that i'm sure you've seen screenshots of. I'm asking to see if they can swing me the beta copy but i know it is only internally microsoft.
Wanted to confirm that winmo 6.5 for raphael and TP2 will be available!
Once again- sorry if this has been covered already.
Yeah... There are WM6.5 roms and kitchens you can download for the Touch Pro. Been out for a while now
I'm waiting for the final release, I just can't take the risk of running beta OS on my phone (Even if it is WinMo 6.5)
Yeah sorry like i said, haven't been given access to internet and xda for a while - saw it today as an official release for raphael beta tested by them.
My fault!
you totally should of "barrowed" his phone and ripped the os off and uploaded it... would of made it a lot easier to port haha
That's interesting to hear that Microsoft has 6.5 working on the Raphael without the need of xda developers. I thought an official 6.5 ROM from Microsoft wasn't going to be released for the TP1?
the latest build 21189 is very much considered stable. i haven;t found any fault with them after running for a week with all my daily applications like GPS,Wifi or bluetooth. camera is usable and even the 7MPX panaroma hack for tp camera works. although tf3d is not stable on it, u'll grow to love the new chome platform of the new wm6.5...to be honest, i won;t think of going back to tf3d.
According to this article at engadget, phones currently on the market (as of Feb 16) will not get an official 6.5 update:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/microsoft-announces-windows-mobile-6-5/
That's cool you got your hands on a WM6.5 raphael though, hope they do decide to release it!
i have 6.5 on mine. i dont really consider it beta since it doesnt say beta. i think its more early build. there are really recent builds of 6.1 and i dont think you can tack labels like beta or final or release candidate on them because they are not pay for or anything and they are constantly having newer versions. it may not be announced or preloaded on new phones yet but its here, has all the features, and its quite stable.
supratt93 said:
Hello all!
Please excuse me if this has been told already, i know alot of winmo 6.5 threads floating but i haven't had a chance to surf around since i've been moving and my internet won't be up till the end of the month (bastards!)
I was at an event at work today, there was a microsoft rep that had a raphael with winmo 6.5 fully working..
Seems to be pretty slick from playing with it for about 20-30 minutes
I know the touch pro 2 will be shipping with this pre-installed.
Black bars seem to be installed, the main screen offers features of an "overview" style and when you hit the windows button you get the honeycomb that i'm sure you've seen screenshots of. I'm asking to see if they can swing me the beta copy but i know it is only internally microsoft.
Wanted to confirm that winmo 6.5 for raphael and TP2 will be available!
Once again- sorry if this has been covered already.
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he's probably running one of those 21189 build based on Da_G kitchen.
Yepp at least is stabile i considered testing is over almost a week ago up and running on my tp no prob at all love chome <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B8eLLaJgbo
SO SEXY! 6.5 on the fuze at&t version of touch pro
glad there is FINALLY a way to lockdown your text messages so someone can't just view them when they pick up the phone....schwweeet!!!
edit: whoa...these results are quite interesting. the majority (some chefs included) thinks that 6.1 is better and smoother than 6.5 despite the missing features. maybe some rom cookers should release more 6.1 roms as everyone seems to be doing 6.5 these days
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while wm6.5 has many worthwhile additions over 6.1, i have noticed that the average 6.1 cooked roms (for example touchX, itje touch-it 10, pctech4u, old jacks roms....etc) tend to work better for me than their 6.5
they just tend to perform better, use noticeably less memory, and video and graphics performance always seems smoother
what do you all think?
6.1 used to be "better". approx 2 months ago it started changing.
Agent 47 changed that first, now other are following.
All answers will have a bias though.
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6.1 used to be "better". approx 2 months ago it started changing.
Agent 47 changed that first, now other are following.
All answers will have a bias though.
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IMHO 6.5 can be quite good, but maybe Im too old or something as I can not live with new start menu from 6.5 ... it's ugly like hell and definitly harder to use. I wonder is there a way to have normal old start menu with 6.5 ?
I was usin "Touch X 10.1 X TREME" ROM, for the last 2 month, but when I updated to "Touch X INFINITY 2.0B" with wm 6.5, it was very buggy, unstable, high mem usage, lots of errors whtout any specefiec reason.
I can say wm 6.1 is a really much better OS than 6.5.
Does anyone know if the 6.5 has come out officially ?
QE_LiTHiUm said:
I was usin "Touch X 10.1 X TREME" ROM, for the last 2 month, but when I updated to "Touch X INFINITY 2.0B" with wm 6.5, it was very buggy, unstable, high mem usage, lots of errors whtout any specefiec reason.
I can say wm 6.1 is a really much better OS than 6.5.
Does anyone know if the 6.5 has come out officially ?
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INFINITY 2.0B (B=BETA, going to trashcan, 3.0 is soon), yes that version is VERY buggy, but try valks or any1 elses, and its good, not really as smooth as 6.1 i think...
totaly agree. i have tested so many 6,5 roms in the x1 and i always end up going back to 6.1 (pctech4u or touchX in my case). you have to be blind not to notice the difference
6.1 roms are smoother than 6.5 even on the touch diamond2
guess MS needs to tweak 6.5 before they finalize it
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and its good, not really as smooth as 6.1 i think...
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right from the horse's mouth
I've tried many ROMs and off course there might be a couple of bugs in wm6.5, because it's not released yet, but it's so much more touchfriendly.
So far the most outstanding wm6.5 ROMs to me are gtrab's r3.61 BB ROM and the latest Energy ROM, both perform very very good. They are both really smooth, especially looking back on the wm6.1 ROMs...
After testing Firestorm... NOWAY! 6.5 is better !!
For me wm 6.1
I like very much to "play" with wm 6.5 and valkirie Xperio is very nice but for day to day use I keep going back to Jack 3.x.
Absolutely no problem for me with that while with wm 6.5 I keep finding problems.
yeah, wm6.5 seem likes to hang a lot..
morgoth6 said:
IMHO 6.5 can be quite good, but maybe Im too old or something as I can not live with new start menu from 6.5 ... it's ugly like hell and definitly harder to use. I wonder is there a way to have normal old start menu with 6.5 ?
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You take the words from my mouth! I feel exactly the same, I would even go further and say the start menu in Wm 6.5 is a joke, I am amazed how a company with so much GUI experience could create it. But some people seem to like it..
Firestorm 6.5 ROM's for me are the best atm
I'm loving 6.5.
I just like to be testing the newest things.
There will be bugs, but they have lessened considerably.
Valkyrie ROM's have been great. I went from 2.4 and ran them all until 2.9.
Currently I'm on itje's Touch-it LEO III.
I just flash, tweak, re-flash....just like everyone here
6.1 roms will be more stable no doubt until 6.5 reaches final status.
Regards,
WC
Once you start using the latest crop of 6.5 [yes FireStorm 2.9 comes to mind] you cannot go back. The UI changes are fluid, kinetic and functional.
Honestly, I'll take a somewhat buggy 6.5, over a 'polished' 6.1 any day now
I am using The energy rom, and no way am i going back to 6.1. Simple reason, scrolling is lot more simple now, without having to use the stylus.
If you really rely on your phone for everyday business use, 6.1 is still better. Some of the newer 6.5 roms are very nice and work well, but they are much more unpredictable than a really solid 6.1 rom that's been tried and tested. Playing around on 6.5 is nice, but most of the 6.5 roms are too garish and colorful in my opinion, and they are just not as stable. People will try to argue, but if you had to pick a rom to get you through a crucial business day, I think most people would pick a 6.1 rom. Not just for stability, but also for battery life.
Energy and firestorm are both realy realy good 6.5 Roms.
the 230xx builds in general (beside 24,25 and propably 28) are both realy fast, stable and energy saving. previous 6.5 builds used to suck all somehow.
so currently i tend to say that 6.5 ROMs have reached thier usability stages. 6.1 is kinda out ^^
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If you really rely on your phone for everyday business use, 6.1 is still better. Some of the newer 6.5 roms are very nice and work well, but they are much more unpredictable than a really solid 6.1 rom that's been tried and tested. Playing around on 6.5 is nice, but most of the 6.5 roms are too garish and colorful in my opinion, and they are just not as stable. People will try to argue, but if you had to pick a rom to get you through a crucial business day, I think most people would pick a 6.1 rom. Not just for stability, but also for battery life.
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+1
some don't really care if the phone works, if the messages are sent correctly, if the phone rings on call, if the tone sounds on alert, if the alarm buzzes on time. some don't need a working phone and don't mind living with a partially working device.
but let's face it, not everyone are 22. well not anymore.
Hey guys,
Everytime I switch to a rom that is expected to be really good I end up with a laggy, slow, buggy device.
I tried almost every rom on this site and nothing really works for me.
I am looking for a ROM that is stable and somewhat up-to-date. Maybe manilla 2.1 or something. I really don't like all the new LEO roms, they are SO slow and buggy I don't even understand how some of you can deal with them.
What's the secret? or is my device just faulty and slow?
Can you name a ROM that you found to be fast and not too ugly? I also need 'some' eyecandy. Speed is of course the most important aspect.
Kind Regards
Thomas
Touch X 10.1 is the way to go...very stable, fast and looks good (especially the MrRusch blue theme).
I've tried many of the roms on this forum but yet always flash back to Touch X 10.1. If there was ever a perfect 6.1 rom this is it
exxi said:
Hey guys,
Everytime I switch to a rom that is expected to be really good I end up with a laggy, slow, buggy device.
I tried almost every rom on this site and nothing really works for me.
I am looking for a ROM that is stable and somewhat up-to-date. Maybe manilla 2.1 or something. I really don't like all the new LEO roms, they are SO slow and buggy I don't even understand how some of you can deal with them.
What's the secret? or is my device just faulty and slow?
Can you name a ROM that you found to be fast and not too ugly? I also need 'some' eyecandy. Speed is of course the most important aspect.
Kind Regards
Thomas
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Same here -tried almost every rom - jack v3.11 using now fast, smooth, no freezes. With HDwall you can change background see screenshots: http://mackosorbar.extra.hu/sex1.htm
Yep, jack v3.11, then either use the included TF3D or use SPB Mobile Shell.
I found Touch X 10.1 to be a dream really but I hoped that all the new stuff will help create a comprehensive rom that is also fast. I must have been mistaken. Some of those highly rated roms out there are a TRUE nightmare. I just don't get why people seem to like them.
When you try to navigate from one TF3D tab to another you get stuck 200 times + it randomly gets really laggy and then you have to restart.
I think I wll give jack a try.
the reason many are slow and buggy are because the manilla nd lots of other things in them are not actually finished by HTC yet nor is wm6.5.x!
wait for manila 2.5 and wm6.5.x to actually complete before you flash another rom if you want ultimate stability!
i lcan live with it because, well i'm a flashaholic
Not to mention you can't really judge a rom based on a version.
One day the rom will work pretty well, the next day it's a new build + new manila, etc, etc and it has entirely different problems.
My solution is to cook my own rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=564743
As you know many chefs cook their roms based on what they like, not what users want. After all, everyone has different needs and the chefs cannot customize a rom for everyone. That's why I also released my source kitchen for customization.
Are you looking for WM6.1 or WM6.5 - based rom? I can find you some manila 2.1 packages and put into my kithcen so you can start customizing.
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Hey Exxi,
I think you have to realise that WM6.5 and the new manila are both in beta. This is really an explosive combination.
For example I have found that pure WM6.5 roms are rather stable. You can use SPB Mobile shell or PoinUI and all will be fine.
Some WM6.5 + Manila 2.1.19 roms are quite stable (I said quite), usually the 23016 builds.
All the Leo roms tend to have issues.
There are many reasons for this, none of which can be attributed to the cooks. In effect the cooks do a fantastic job at making the Leo ROMs as good as they are. I have great respect for them.
As everyone said, TouchX 10.1 is your best shot. That ROM is a work of art.
If you want an upgrade from that, you can try the WM6.1 + Manila 2.1.19 ROMS, such as Jack v.3.11 and TouchX 10.5/10.6. If you want more Eye candy, play around with some nice themes, add some applications.
Alternatively get yourself a squeaky fast WM6.5 rom (23016 or even 23053...or the recently released WM6.5 One off) and use SPB mobile shell + SPB Phone suite + Various resco apps. The result can be quite pleasing.
Alternatively, you can try becoming a Titanium expert. I personally have failed miserably at that...but again...I hear it can be quite pleasing.
P.s. One final word, I have been watching closely the WM6.5 + Manila 2.1.19 ROMs. I would like to point out that while there still is a noticeable difference in performance with the WM6.1+ Manila 2.1.19 ROMs, this gap is closing up rather quickly.
NRGZ28 manila 2.1 roms
Try NRGZ28 2.1 manila roms. Fase and stable. Few things to complain. Last version is 22.09.2009 standard 2.1. Works best for me.
G.
Here too, i tried a lot of roms during the first couple of months with my X1, then when i found TouchX 10 then 10.1 i stayed with them, now once a month i flash to one of those Beta 6.5 or Leo roms to see if i ever can find a new stable fast rom, but most of the times i get back to TouchX 10.1 after a couple of hours.
now i moved to TouchX 10.5 which is as much stable as the TouchX 10.1, the best ROMs ever
and my trick to do everything fast is to backup the entire rom before trying some other rom with SPB Backup, then when i reflash back to TouchX 10.1 i just do a full restore and i am back productive as before, all settings and apps are back in their place..
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Here too, i tried a lot of roms during the first couple of months with my X1, then when i found TouchX 10 then 10.1 i stayed with them, now once a month i flash to one of those Beta 6.5 or Leo roms to see if i ever can find a new stable fast rom, but most of the times i get back to TouchX 10.1 after a couple of hours.
now i moved to TouchX 10.5 which is as much stable as the TouchX 10.1, the best ROMs ever
and my trick to do everything fast is to backup the entire rom before trying some other rom with SPB Backup, then when i reflash back to TouchX 10.1 i just do a full restore and i am back productive as before, all settings and apps are back in their place..
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This is a good approach. I find myself returning to TouchX 10.1 all the time, too. I have finally managed to curb my flashing habit and only flash when I find a ROM that seems to have something I REALLY want to try.
Right now I am using Valkyrie 3.8.53 Leo since it allows me to use the latest version of the Dusk theme which I had to try out. Looks fantastic and it seems that the ROM is almost at the same usability level as Touch X 10.1 now, but not quite.
I don't think it will take much longer for manila 2.5 to be working as well as 2.1 and the latest builds of WM6.5 are also almost as good as 6.1. Still some teething issues, the biggest for me being the WM6.5 volume adjuster app which sucks IMHO.
The short but crude answer would be: stay away from Windows Mobile
No really, it's getting better by the day so there's hope.
Personally, I use mobilevu's V-Lite 4.3. It's a little older but works like a charm.
Titanium only, but I combine this with SPB 3 so I have a stable and snappy X1!
I keep hitting the same brick wall over and over again.
In long term, SE stock R3 tends to be most stable and bug-free. Jack's has been faster, but it has it's own share of bugs.
So after trying out about 10 ROMs every few months i land back on stock ROM and just customize it a bit.
TouchX 10.1, Is the Chosen One.
Using Valkirie 2.9 Firestorm. For me it's best ROM, i'm using this ROM already for more than month. Tried switching to 2.5 but new windows mobile design and 2.5 Leo is not usable as 2016 builds are and 2.1 Manila.
i always return to touch x 10.1
it is the best rom in terms of speed and stability.
mekstro said:
The short but crude answer would be: stay away from Windows Mobile
No really, it's getting better by the day so there's hope.
Personally, I use mobilevu's V-Lite 4.3. It's a little older but works like a charm.
Titanium only, but I combine this with SPB 3 so I have a stable and snappy X1!
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V-Lite here also.Exactly as you told, This ROM+SPB and Resco stuff and one stable and hardworking X1 since one month ago. I can use Titanum whenever I want though. I think mobilevu is waiting for the official release of WM6.5. I hope he comes back to upgrade his ROM at that time.
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i always return to touch x 10.1
it is the best rom in terms of speed and stability.
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Agreed: The best 6.1 is probably Touch X 10.1. Master Smaberg was very good.
6.5 is a different beast. There are MANY GREAT ROM's out there. Each has its own 'issues'. You can usually find the best ROM for 'you' by defining what it is you need in your phone. And go for it.
My needs are, in order, Phone,email, sms, internet, fast, pretty. For these I have found NRG ROMs work best for me.
Christians, Valkyre, Tornado, Jack, and others ALL make good ROMs. Each has an issue that impacts my basic needs. BUT...I try each of their new ones..!!!
I'm a new Xperia user. I have it for 3 days now and basically what i've been doing these 3 days was studying this awesome xda-developers forum and learning everything about flashing, roms, etc..
I've been determined to upgrade my default WM6.1 to WM6.5. After first day of reading this forum i knew it's not gonna be simple, but stubborn as i am, i managed to get tha hang of it and did everything to flash my X1 with cooked rom. But then came the real dilemma: which rom should i use?? I've been looking for some forum topics to help me decide, but i found out that the only right way to do this is check every ROM individually, read about it first and if it looked good (feedback from users, collection of included apps, gadgets, etc), flash it to my X1.
By now i've flashed 6 ROMS and to be honest, i didn't like not even one of them. And this got me thinking: why would i need to upgrade to 6.5? Neither of rom worked faster than my default 6.1, all of them have this 'unfit' feeling (like when you see it you know it wasn't made for your phone) and all of them are buggy (some more, some less)..
So i'm asking YOU, the happy user for whichever WM6.5 rom:
- Why did you upgrade WM61? What's so much better with WM65?
- Is WM65 really so much better than 61? What are the bigges advantages?
- Which ROM are you using? And which cooked ROM(s) are your favorite?
I know this has probably already been ansvered, but is there any information about official WM65 upgrade for Xperia?
Lastly let me say this post is NOT a criticism of 'cookers' or this forum in general. I would just like to hear some of your opinions to decide which OS i want on my phone.. i really can't decide at the moment, so.. thank you in advance.
greets..
Well there is a bias toward the wm6.5 roms, just because its the latest and and more finger friendly. This is after all xda DEVELOPERS site, so its not meant to be 100%, but from my flashing's its pretty darn close... GO Chefs!!!
But I as well wouldn't mind seeing some wm6.1 roms based on R3 with the latest apps and extras, but I see few to none like this.
But like the saying goes beggars cant be choosers. So i take what these very generous chefs cook up
I'd use Valkyrie Xperio 3.9 + SPB Mobile Shell, or if you want Manila use Valkyrie Leo.
If you don't like those, then use a 6.1 rom like TouchX or Jack's v3.
It takes less time to try them than to get a bunch of people's feedback and then try them anyways.
Hi! Welcome to the forum!
I must admit I had a similar dilemma when I first flashed my X1. I find I keep going back to Smaberg's Touch X 10.1. It's a 6.1 ROM with manila (TouchFlo) 2.1 and it is fast, smooth, stable and fully functional. There is a new version with weather on the home tab (10.7), but there are still a few small issues which need to be ironed out before it is as stable and usable as 10.1.
For testing out 6.5 I love the Valkyrie ROMs by Agent_47. They are usually very well set up (with a good selection of apps and performance tweaks) and bugs are found and fixed quickly. My favourites are the Topaz/Rhodium versions since there is almost as much eye candy as the Leo roms, but less bugs / missing functionality (landscape works in manila, for instance) and they usually run a bit faster. If you want to try just a basic 6.5 rom without TouchFlo, I recommend Experio. You can install SPB mobile shell on it, too. If you want to go the full eye candy route, the Leo ROMs are nice and Rotastrain's ROM is worth trying.
The advantage of 6.5 is that it is more finger-friendly than 6.1 and there are a few usability improvements. One thing I personally don't like, though, is the volume control with the latest 6.5 builds. So far the cookers haven't been able to work around it. Also, it runs slower and since most builds are still beta there are bugs, but they are getting better.
There are a few 6.1 ROMs out now with Leo manila (touchflo 2.5) but there seem to be a lot of dependencies and it's not easy to get them to play nicely together. They give a good blend of speed and eye candy, but I find the clunkiness of the underlying 6.1 clashes with the looks of touchflo 2.5.
Hope I haven't made things more complicated! Have fun flashing and enjoy your X1!
-Oobly
Hi, I decided to open this thread since I'm a bit disspointed with the new WM 6.5 and 6.5.1 ROMs for the Diamond and I would like to hear your pros and cons
As we know, there's not WM 6.5 official version for the HTC Diamond, that is a shame because the phone is not old!
Thanks to all of this programmers or "cookers" on this website we are able to run it, since is our wish, but we are warned of the downsides.
I flashed all the ROMs available, WM 6.1, 6.5 and 6.5.1 ...to be honest... 6.1 is well stable and fast, 6.5 looks nice and is amazing but is laggy and at the end of they day it always end up closing the program you are using if it runs out of memory, that is annoying if you are watching a video on youtube or checking the email right?
I used 6.5 for a month and I was really into it beause "it works", but with regret I went back to 6.1 due to the lack of memory and optimization for the device.
What is your experience so far with it?
Normally I much prefer official ROMs to cooked, which can be slow and unreliable. But I do want WM6.5. Maybe it's a matter of finding the right ROM.
Is there one available now (WM6.5, stable, bug free, not bloated) or should I wait? (This is something that will only be done once if at all.)
You can wait for a while, or flash all the available 6.5 ROMs and judge by yourself (I can't be bothered with the MTTY thing)
Personally, at the moment any of them don't perform quick and stable like 6.1 do
you might want to run benchmark tests
all benchmarking i did shown an increasse in performance in wm6.5.1 cooked roms in diamonds compared to stock rom.
cooked a rom and wm6.5.1 is better than 6.1 in terms of memory management and speed.
just cook your own rom and put in/remove stuff you dont like and optimize it.
Try these! (I did...) =)
Long have I've been a pro 6.1 user, but I always thought 6.5 looked more neat but with too many conn's to be actually everyday useable. Besides, AZTOR x2 ROM rocked! Also a lot of 6.5 ROM's didn't have any Diamond functionality.
Lately I've been trying 6.5.x ROM's again and currently I'm very pleased with Benko's ROM. It takes only 80Mb RAM max (Full ROM). He cooked lighter versions too, that even take less RAM. Also the ROM is fast, like really REALLY FAST, great responsiveness. Scrolling like the iPhone. Also very finger friendly.
I think if you want to consider 6.5 ROM's Benko is definitely a good candidate. I would recommend his 5.0 ROM to start with because I believe that's the most stable ROM.
Eugenia V1.02 WWE ROM is also a nice looking ROM with diamond features
the new 6.5.1 roms are much faster for me