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ATT HSDPA in my town!!!

So I was just out getting my midnight release copy of GTAIV on Xbox 360. I was in the middle of sending a few pictures of the event to a couple friends when all the sudden, at about 12:15am on 4/29/08, my Tilt switched from E to H!!! I couldn't believe my eyes! I thought my phone was lying to me so I ran a couple speed tests using Opera and sure enough the first test hit over 600kbps!! Usually I see around 200ish.
Just to be safe, I just got home and the first thing I did was tethered. I ran a speedtest from speedtest.net and saw 1.1mbps which is usually at around 300kbps.
Now here is the good part of the story. I have been hounding my ATT reps every chance I get asking when oh when 3G was coming to my hometown and they have been telling me July/August at BEST. So I'm thinking I may have stumbled upon ATT testing it out tonight. Still very cool. I guess tomorrow morning will tell whether or not it stays or if this was a test!!
What a great night, GTAIV and HSDPA... what more does a guy need?
Oh, I live in St. Cloud, MN.
UPDATE: 9:30AM and it's still on!

godfa7h3r said:
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What a great night, GTAIV and HSDPA... what more does a guy need?
Oh, I live in St. Cloud, MN.
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What more? Just this... here. (Link May Be NSFW depending on how Communist your Work is.)
BTW Congrats on your HSDPA. I've been loving it for a few months now.

I live in the Bay Area and I also experience HSDPA at times, mainly shortly when I'm on the freeway.

well, Italy, in this kind of stuff (pretty useless) is almost leader in the world.
we are completly covered by HDSPA, from at least 2-3 years.
but we have prohibitive tariffs (like $2.34 every 15mins or $47 for 100hours)

HSDPA has been on Minneapolis, MN from 10/2007.

its great isn't it? one day I looked down at my phone and say "3G" instead of E. I live outside of bakersfield ca. was a nice day for me.

1. no offense
2. I HATE YOU!!!!!!
3. I REALLY HATE YOU!!!!!!
4. Now let me apologize.. I'm sorry that I HATE YOU!!!!

i got HSDPA as well here in NJ welcome aboard! but uhh quick question..
how do u run a speed test using opera?

JstarLuvsTina said:
i got HSDPA as well here in NJ welcome aboard! but uhh quick question..
how do u run a speed test using opera?
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Try this: http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1

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Try this: http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1&more=1
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awesome! thanks

Ahh this is fantastic. I've been waiting for this day for years. I've come to realize it's basically like the transition from dial-up to cable internet. Man, I went nuts that day!
Now I can finally stream all my music to my phone without it having to buffer every 5 seconds! Horray!

AT&T has definitely been upgrading HSDPA in the US. Many think it is being expedited for the release of the 3G iphone. AT&T did the same thing to their Edge network right before the current iphone came out.
I am in NJ also, and I've had a 3G indicator all along, and an H indicator when downloading data.
In the beginning of April that changed to a constant H indicator.
From inside my office, 4bars H, 1mb test file from DLS Reports 665kbit/sec ... although I've seen better speeds over 999kbit/sec from other locations.

Proto732 said:
AT&T has definitely been upgrading HSDPA in the US. Many think it is being expedited for the release of the 3G iphone. AT&T did the same thing to their Edge network right before the current iphone came out.
I am in NJ also, and I've had a 3G indicator all along, and an H indicator when downloading data.
In the beginning of April that changed to a constant H indicator.
From inside my office, 4bars H, 1mb test file from DLS Reports 665kbit/sec ... although I've seen better speeds over 999kbit/sec from other locations.
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wow thats odd..when i first purchased my unit which was in March, i found k.tweaks and did that change first and every since its been on H.. i rarely get 3G anymore in fact.. if i do run low on service by my job, or low zones, it either goes to E or G.. i havent seen the 3G icon in about a month now
oh and when i ran my DLS report i got the same stats u had..

I've had my TILT since Nov 2007, and I also had enabled the HSDPA via tweaks.
I would always see 3G, unless I started a download ... say a podcast via Newsbreak ... then the icon would change to H.
The constant H is definitely a network change/upgrade.
Many of us thought it was a problem ... kind of comical now looking back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359636
Your area might have already been updated when you got your device.

Proto732 said:
I've had my TILT since Nov 2007, and I also had enabled the HSDPA via tweaks.
I would always see 3G, unless I started a download ... say a podcast via Newsbreak ... then the icon would change to H.
The constant H is definitely a network change/upgrade.
Many of us thought it was a problem ... kind of comical now looking back:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359636
Your area might have already been updated when you got your device.
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dude u gotta be in my area...
ur 732. im 732
and if not mistaken.. proto.. is referring to paintball cause i have a couple proto masks from dye myself..
am i right or what?

digitalninjas said:
I live in the Bay Area and I also experience HSDPA at times, mainly shortly when I'm on the freeway.
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3G/HSDPA has been in the bay area for quite some time. I'm surprised you don't get it.
By the way I noticed differences in speeds in different cities. For example in San Francisco I get a 3G icon and it will switch to H when doing data. DSL speed tests are usually around 500. In New York City I never see a 3G icon, H the entire time. Speed tests are closer to 900-1000.

Half right Jstar ...
732 part is right.
Proto part is wrong.

As a note, mine is a constant H. I have not seen a 3G icon yet.
If you guys want to see some more data speed tests, please check out my other thread I created with a bunch of results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381236

Check out this thread where a lot of people also posted speed test results:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370624

hambola said:
3G/HSDPA has been in the bay area for quite some time. I'm surprised you don't get it.
By the way I noticed differences in speeds in different cities. For example in San Francisco I get a 3G icon and it will switch to H when doing data. DSL speed tests are usually around 500. In New York City I never see a 3G icon, H the entire time. Speed tests are closer to 900-1000.
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What I meant was I usually get 3G but I'll switch to H at random times when I'm on the freeway.

Is HSDPA an extra charge?

[EDIT] After reading 15 pages of how to do a security unlock and people's problems with it, I finally found my answer lying in about 6 different, scattered posts... I'm changing the subject and content to a more appropriate description.
Does anyone know if HSDPA is an extra charge on AT&T? I already have a PDA plan and never saw the HSDPA on the stock ROM.

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Also, does anyone know if HSDPA is an extra charge on AT&T? I already have a PDA plan and never saw the HSDPA on the stock ROM.
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HSDPA is not an extra charge. Just a faster connection.

AllTheWay said:
HSDPA is not an extra charge. Just a faster connection.
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K. thank you! Thats what I thought...
As for the other question, seeing as theres 63 views and no response, it seems like I should be able to find the answer... can someone point me in the right direction?

Yep, it is no exrta charge, even for those of us using MediaNet settings. I can say that it costs a bit more in battery power tho!

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...I can say that it costs a bit more in battery power tho!
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Eh... the Kaiser has bad power management anyway...

is it gay T&T, or htc, or is it windows mobile, or is it the qualcomm chipset???

let me start of by saying that thanks to everyone that has left, inquired about or done something on this site to help others in customizing their phones beyond what is normally acceptable. and to the women of the men that have to deal with the guys tinkering around with their phones all day and ignoring you. lol. that being said, i have a few questions that i think after searching this website for almost a year i dont think anyone has targetted. as the title states, what do you think it is. is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off? i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower. 3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing. now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration. i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots. i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw. now after doing some research and lots n lots of playing around with windows phones (going on 5 years) and finding out the downfalls of windows mobile, i am completely willing to accept those downfalls and still wanna use it on a day to day basis. hands down there isn't another OS as open to doing what you want, having the information you want in a efficient way. call me a fanboy but windows still has a hand up in the game even though it still looks like crap and the big 800 pound gorilla that is MS isn't willing to conform to anyone else's standard and make their OS look pretty. its about functionality and to the smart user thats where its at. i have also read a lot on qualcomm and this issue of drivers and performance and how devices that are almost pre historic are running better emulators, videos and the such without any luck on getting performance on the device. okay now that i have written a novel and most of you will be asleep by the time you read this, i need some honest opinions. really what i'm trying to do is figure out where to point the finger. or maybe by having enough ppl ***** about the same problem we might have someone look into better technology that is not only practical but is also reliable. not just one of the two.
thanks to all that got this far. lol
frustrated.
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.

I am sure what you say is interesting, but franky I try to read your post and lost it after three lines. TBH, the first thought I had when seeing your post was to close the firefox tab ...
If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
And I don't mean to be rude, I just want to help you get more people to read ...

thanks for moving

I am not sure what you are asking...or telling?

yasserwaqas said:
is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off?
i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower.
3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing.
now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration.
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw.
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I have split out the key points so this is a bit easier to read,
my first thought was to say its either a hardware fault or you need to upgrade your radio, however I then saw this part of your post....
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
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surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area?
it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.
Ril

I have similar AT&Tcoverage issues in my house, but when I have a strong signal, the phone works fine. No dropped calls or lost connections.
If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good. One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not. This is why I chose AT&T, but my coverage is so spotty in Charlotte, I wish I had gone with Verizon. The simultaneous feature seemed important, but in practice, I am not sure I have ever needed it.
The only other challenge with Verizon is that you have to use their phone. You cannot get your own and drop in a SIM card. This limits your ability to waste time and money chasing the latest and greatest hardware which is kind of a bummer.
Good Luck.
Doug M.

lets do this.....
Why dont you...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireles why you didnt found the answer yet...?
Maybe you can test this... dissassembly your oldest device... phone or whatever symbian, iphone whatever!!! every device gots the anthenna like a green ribbon inside the phone housing, if the phone's MotherBoard has a contact conector try to unplug the ribbon from the housing then connect it and see where does the phone gets the signal strenght enough as you wish, see all around maybe there is a big metal structure or big building and far repetition anthenas or behind.
As you must know
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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In some parts of the country has great signal or bad signal streght because of many natural things, like magnetism, surface, and weather.
Ask to your neightbor if he gets the same issue on his phone... dude... get out of there if the device lost completly the signal.

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One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not.
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Actually I'm pretty sure Verizon will also support simultaneous voice and data connections. I also regrett picking at&t because coverage is so much better where I live (charlotte as well) but then I think about how verizon tends to cripple their phones and the whole locked to cdma carriers thing. For example when the vz touch pro first came out, the gps was locked to only their gps software so no tom tom or google maps and they also cut the ram down to 192.

I think its just your area

sorry bout the post in the wrong place n thank you for moving it. for you that couldn't understand what this post was about, this was really an attempt to c if anyone else is having these problems. are they due to technology limitations or am i just expecting too much.
i will address the replies one by one, atleast the ones that had somethign useful to say.
r4st4m4n'--- If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
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(wut does that mean)???
blackc5 ---i am not sure what you are asking...or telling?
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hahaha....read my friend read.
Ril --- surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area? it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.---
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thank u for splitting up my points. this is probably why my english grades were never betta than a C. as far as ur point on network issues. definately a good possiblity although at&t techs have been in the area to test connections and coverage with no luck.
we use a code with agent plans that gives the "network support team" a msg saying there is an issue with a specific tower. waiting on getting this code and sending them a bunch of "*#" requests. lol.
dwmackay ---If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good
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i wouldn't consider verizon cuz of the cdma thing. i know i know, call me picky but i do travel internationally (not that much) but still. and there is no way i wanna pay roaming charges to fill the pockets of some big wig.
+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
DrzNight --- about voice n data
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i think its a 3g thing. voice and data simultaneously, have tried to do it on other gsm phones that were edge and wouldnt' allow.
dnieman13---I think its just YOU...
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haha. n finally i think ur rite. it prolly is me.

Mmmm maybe....
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+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
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So as you work in wireless, the meaning of "i think its yours" is like this...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Stay cool dude if you ask for something read too... in just tellin you that you may live in an area with issues on signal... agian... ask to your neighbor maybe he gots the signal strenght low.
Oh yeap, I just laugh on faces when the question is wrong applied and sounds so bad, bad enough to think that person is a jerk, but if you ask correctly your answer always comes clearly.
keep it up dude!

okay let me respond to that ppc.
i'm sorry if i came across as rude. wasn't my intent, i was just telling you what you had said.
and yes i have tried having three different carriers,(at&t, t-mobile n verizon) numerous different phones and in and around my house i'm just getting horrible service. matter of fact, the only i have not tried is sprint, and again due to the limitations of that network i just rather not go there. i can't just up and move out of my house and having cell phone coverage is HIGHLY important. guess i'll just have to wait on the femto cells at&t is promising before the end of the year...

Nexus One 3g Issue?

I have been wanting a nexus one really bad and the only thing holding me back is the 3g/edge switching problem I have heard some much about. Is this really that big of a problem? Should I wait for the HTC Desire?
-JT
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Jartrip said:
I have been wanting a nexus one really bad and the only thing holding me back is the 3g/edge switching problem I have heard some much about. Is this really that big of a problem? Should I wait for the HTC Desire?
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How is the signal strength where you live? I have had my Nexus since the day it launched, and dont experience any of those issues. But then again....I have great 3G/HSPA connectivity here in Denver.

I live near Detroit MI and the 3g is ok. I do get edge 40% of the time when I am in my house but wifi fixes that.

I have had mine 48 hours. It has worked properly about 2 hours. The rest has been filled with lost data connections, signal going from 4 bars to zero bars, and back to 4 bars within seconds, and many many missed calls/messages/aborted calls. NOT HAPPY AT ALL. I thought this was going to be an upgrade from my G1- the speed is great but it is totally unusable as an actual phone. BTW, 3g in my area is excellent (on the G1).

I'm in Tulsa, OK and have yet to see EDGE on my 3G ATT Nexus. I've had it all day and been all over town and now home and I've got 3G all day and 4 bars 3G at home in the house.

I had my Nexus since the day it was launched, and dont have any 3G issues. I have great 3G/HSPA connectivity here in Las Vegas.

I had my N1 about couple months and so far it seems that it's the only choice!, didn't get any major problems, amazing speed I always get daily updates!

Old MuckenMire said:
I'm in Tulsa, OK and have yet to see EDGE on my 3G ATT Nexus. I've had it all day and been all over town and now home and I've got 3G all day and 4 bars 3G at home in the house.
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Wow on Tmobile I only get edge, and I'm in Oklahoma City,OK. Doesnt make any sense.

gospeed.racer said:
I have had mine 48 hours. It has worked properly about 2 hours. The rest has been filled with lost data connections, signal going from 4 bars to zero bars, and back to 4 bars within seconds, and many many missed calls/messages/aborted calls. NOT HAPPY AT ALL. I thought this was going to be an upgrade from my G1- the speed is great but it is totally unusable as an actual phone. BTW, 3g in my area is excellent (on the G1).
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same here basically. I'm 1 mile from an HSDPA enabled tower and can't get anything faster than EDGE on a consistent basis. Dropped and garbled calls galore.

gospeed.racer said:
I have had mine 48 hours. It has worked properly about 2 hours. The rest has been filled with lost data connections, signal going from 4 bars to zero bars, and back to 4 bars within seconds, and many many missed calls/messages/aborted calls. NOT HAPPY AT ALL. I thought this was going to be an upgrade from my G1- the speed is great but it is totally unusable as an actual phone. BTW, 3g in my area is excellent (on the G1).
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I had my Nexus since the day it was launched, and dont have any 3G issues. I have great 3G/HSPA connectivity here in Las Vegas.
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same here basically. I'm 1 mile from an HSDPA enabled tower and can't get anything faster than EDGE on a consistent basis. Dropped and garbled calls galore.
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Las Vegas is one of T-mobile's best connected cities... so no surprise there. But even in Toledo, OH, I get 3G outdoors without issue and switch between 3G and Edge only indoors, where I have wifi anyway.
Maybe you guys that are having problems might call HTC for swaps.

All of this worries me. I don't want to shell out $530 for a phone that could have issues with keeping a 3G connection. Even on cyanogens wiki he sates "Is the 3G issue fixed? No. While Google did issue an Over-The-Air update On 2010-Feb-02, it doesn't fully fix the switch from 3G to EDGE, which might be a mix of a hardware problem and a software one." I am hoping the desire comes out soon to see if that has the same problems. It is almost the same hardware so I would think it would be the same but we will see.

If anything it's the baseband programming from Qualcomm... I'm NOT seeing as bad as an issue as before. I do on occasion see it go to EDGE; I've just not got in the habit of leaving my phone on 3G only now.

no trouble in austin tx 3g and H all the time

Called HTC and they had no other solution but for me to loose $45 (because it was etched) plus shipping to get me another phone that would likely do the same thing. So, I rooted and crossed my fingers that having a choice in radios would help. Nope. Oh well, it looks cool. I use it to show off, and make calls with my G1

It's always good to try another SIM card(S) from a different carrier before coming to conclusions.

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It's always good to try another SIM card(S) from a different carrier before coming to conclusions.
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That's really not possible in the US. We have 2 GSM provides and both use different frequencies. You're definitely not going to get 3G with the other provider's SIM.

uansari1 said:
Las Vegas is one of T-mobile's best connected cities... so no surprise there.
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Its true I get good 3g when I go to vegas, but the weird thing is,i get absolutely zero gps functionality there. Any app that requires gps like sherpa or maps is useless. Go figure.

BlackElvis79 said:
Its true I get good 3g when I go to vegas, but the weird thing is,i get absolutely zero gps functionality there. Any app that requires gps like sherpa or maps is useless. Go figure.
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that's simple. They don't want you to leave!

Ughhh, I'm line of sight to a tower and get -70 to -75dBm all the time but I swear I jump for joy if I manage to get 600kps on this N1.

I went to the outdoor mall in my neighborhood that has the T-Mobile antenna there. I was getting about -75dbm and when I covered the back of the phone with my palm as demonstrated in the videos showcasing the 3g problem my reception would drop to about -105dbm... is it me or is that excessive considering how close I was?

is it my device or the network? 3g speed.

i just got this phone yesterday. it's a pretty good phone and feel solid but what dissapoint me is the web browsing speed. i live in tampa and i heard we got hspa. so i dunno why i'm getting 0.40-70 mbps most of the times. the guys who work at t-mobile show me their speed test on their nexus one shows around 2-4.0 mbps.
anyway to fix this problem? did i got a faulty device? i usually try the web in my house and i dunno if that's the reason why my nexus one doesn't get fast speed. but my evo 4g runs okay.....even tho it's from sprint.

You sure that you have the T-mobile version of the nexus one?
AKA- is it displaying the 3g Icon?

okay, i've just drove around tampa and speed test my nexus one's 3g. the highest i went up to so far is 2.61 mbps. that's the highest i think i've seen so far from my nexus one. even my sprint's evo 4g doesn't go up that high. that's not bad! lol i'll try to compare those two again tomorrow when i'm at work. i guess the reason why i got slow speed is because i'm in a crowd neighborhood community and t-mobile coverage is not as good compare to when i go to the main road. even tho i did i got 1.36 mbs yesternight when i stepped out of my house. in the house....it's not so good.
well, i'm glad it's not my nexus one problem and more to do with my area. now i get go return my evo 4g and save some money on my family plan. gotta admit tho, sprint's 3g stay consistent most of the time compare to tmobile.
and yea, i checked the inside back of my phone yesterday and it was for tmobile. it shows 3g most of the times too. thanks man. cheer!

In my opinion, sometimes those radio waves just don't pass through walls as easily as gamma particles do. Now, if we could figure out a way to get a phone to use gamma radiation, but not kill people or give them cancer, that might be a pretty sweet setup!! Sorry, this probably makes no sense, but I am tired, and its late.

make sense lol. could it be the material of the walls? because when i'm at walmart or some of the other stores, the 3g on my evo 4g is still fast. haven't tried the nexus yet.

adamhlj said:
In my opinion, sometimes those radio waves just don't pass through walls as easily as gamma particles do. Now, if we could figure out a way to get a phone to use gamma radiation, but not kill people or give them cancer, that might be a pretty sweet setup!! Sorry, this probably makes no sense, but I am tired, and its late.
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I don't know if what you're saying is true or not, but I think I rather have low cellphone signal than cancer lol..

I just seem to get worse 3G reception when I go inside a building. Like in my house, I am getting 200 kbps, but outside it will be closer to 700 sometimes. It really bums me out
But, yes, I agree with you. Bad cell phone reception is better than getting cancer. Tho there are some nuts that think that cell phones WILL give you cancer, lol.