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Can Sprite Backup jeopardize ROM Updates?

Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
Or am I totally off here ?

After a rom upgrade, you should never restore a complete backup, regardless of the backup program you use. With sprite, it is easy to do a restore of individual databases (appointments, contacts, email, sms etc), as well as the document folder. The other option is to use the "device upgarde" functionality of Sprite Backup, but for that to work, you will need to make an image of the machine with the new rom I believe, and without anything installed. (but for that you need to check the manual).
You should never restore a full backup, since you will be restoring parts of the old ROM in the process.

I only use Sprite backup as a fall-back in case of a problem with a Rom update.
Even if you select the "allow upgrades" option, it can overwrite some of the data that you have just changed in the upgrade.
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps........Later
quote="jofeuerstein" ]Does anyone in here know if I can safeley reload my Sprite Back-Up after a ROM Upgrade without screwing-up details of the ROM-Upgrade ?
I mean: If I understand this right, after Booting parts of the ROM ar loaded into the RAM, which could be overwritten.
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Here is how I see it: Any file that is not ROM-based will be pulled by Sprite Backup.
Even though a hard-reset will reload all the Extended ROM CAB files, they are still in the Storage/Program Memory and can still be replaced, deleted, etc. They are supplemental to the ROM files from the CE ROM core.
A good experience is when I upgraded to Build 3900 on my Extended ROM and restored a Sprite Backup file afterwards and noticed it went back to 3500. The BT*.* files in the Windows directory were backed up, and thus restored, overwriting the work done by the Extended ROM load.
The best thing to do is "move along" your backup file with your upgrades.
If you decide to recook your Extended ROM, upgrade CAB files or builds, then keep that upgrade CAB file handy to run again. I would highly recommend using a program such as OCP Software's WinCE CAB Manager to look into the CAB files you are replacing to see what files and registry entries get directly affected.
Bottom line method for me is 1. backup your PPC, 2. update the Extended ROM, 3. hard-reset, 4. restore the PPC, 5. reapply any new CABs from the Extended ROM, 5. rebackup the PPC.
By the way, the Upgrade works especially well when you have a new CE ROM that has new ROM files, such as Windows Media Player 10 (if and when it comes out). According to the instructions on Sprite's site, you run the Upgrade utility on the clean (hard-reset) image with the OLD ROM, perform the upgrade, then restore your backup WITH the Upgrade Data.

Thank you. Sounds very logical. A complicated process, but it beats reconfiguring the MDA after an Update by several hours ...
Good that all the people who envy us for our "MDAIII" don't know how much time we waste getting these machines to work ....

hdbueller said:
I have loaded all of my apps and data that I must retain on a memory card and I just reload them from it.
Hope this helps......
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you mean copy the "program files" folder to SD-card and the load it back ? or how :?:

You can copy all the CAB files from the C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync folder onto the SD card for safekeeping, or look for a program called CabBackup, which has been proven useful in many a situation.

Ghost/Backup of pocket pc

Have been looking at various software for backing up my PPC, in particular Sprites "Pocket Backup Plus".
Would like to know peoples opinion of the software and also reccomend others!
Can it be used to make a ghost image of a PPC, to restore files, programs and settings after a hard-reset?
Thanks in advance

Yes, I use sprite backup and it can backup your ppc to an executable file that can be launched after a hard reset. I have it set to do a backup everyday at 5:30 am and I keep 3 versions of the backup on my storage card. I use version 3.14 build 2419.
The executable backup option is not in the default backup. Several options should be changed from the default backup. It works ok.
It is backup software not cloning software like ghost. If you really want something similar to Ghost, check out SPB Clone. (it is very expensive tho)

How to make a full-backup for TyTNII?

Hi, I'm looking for full backup method of my TyTNII before playing new application installration as my insurance...
Because sometimes system freezed during my trial, especially trial of Japanese charactor installation. (We can not go to Windows Mobile screen from hTC logo page , so I have to system reset (2 Function keys + Reset)...then retry everything...>_<
I offen use Ghost for my PC to make a backup.
Do we have any idea of making backup for TyTNII such as Ghost?
Your ideas I appreciate!

I'am use spb backup, option full... bye
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?it

Also Sprite Backup 6.1 works nice in Kaiser WM6... i think better than SPB one... but only for me

I can personally attest that SPB Backup is a lifesaver. I was able to totally restore my Tilt last night after somehow managing to erase virtually everything.

Thanks all
I tried Spb last night, then could make a backup!
Thanks!!

I like Spirit Backup 6, which works really nice.

I have Sprite and Spb, my vote is Sprite. Although there is nothing wrong with Spb, Sprite gives me more options. Like backing up to the desktop.

When Sprite says it's going to "reset the device"....what does this mean? I don't want wipe everything off of the phone.
Also, how does it connect to the PC?
TIA

Sprite does a soft reset on your phone before it starts a backup, no it doesn't wipe your phone, just a normal soft reset. I'm guessing it does this just to make sure there are no programs running that can screw up the backup..
I too can attest to how well Sprite works. I've been using it since version 3 and I must say that version 6 works GREAT with the Tytn/Kaiser/Tilt. I by mistake half installed the MS Framework services (Don't do that!! ) and had to restore from backup which worked perfectly!
Now I'm not sure if this is a function of Sprite, or ActiveSync, but once you restore with this version you won't have to fully sync again which saves you from getting duplicate contacts,calendar events. With the older version you'd always need to do a full sync and ran into the issue with duplicate info..
Good luck!
-RT

OK, it resetting now.................
Now, it's backing up...............wow, 44.1M
Resetting again................
It worked! Backed up to storage card.
Thanks A Lot,
CR

With Spb, you can, using active sync, copy your backup file from your PPC storage card, to the hard drive of your PC. Then, if necessary, you can reverse and have a backup that you can use to restore in the event that you lose your micro storage card, or that it becomes corrupt.

prubin said:
With Spb, you can, using active sync, copy your backup file from your PPC storage card, to the hard drive of your PC. Then, if necessary, you can reverse and have a backup that you can use to restore in the event that you lose your micro storage card, or that it becomes corrupt.
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Thanks. I'll be hitting the road today, but will try it this week sometime.

Does Sprite and/or SPB make an "image". Or is it just backing up "data"? Is the only way to make an "image" of your device to custom cook a ROM?

I use Sprite back-up...spb works good but the last time I used spb it didn't offer an option to restore after a ROM upgrade...don't know if spb added this feature but that's the only reason why I would choose Sprite over spb...

I use Sprite BackUp,very good program and restoring between different ROM versions or different devices.

Where to Find Sprint Backup Application
I just found this thread doing a search on Ghost programs and I'm wondering if someone could tell me where to go to get Sprite Backup?
Thanks!!

bookluvr4u said:
I just found this thread doing a search on Ghost programs and I'm wondering if someone could tell me where to go to get Sprite Backup?
Thanks!!
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Sorry! Just noticed the Sprint in the title. Meant to say Sprite!

Hi
I have a AT&t Tilt
Sprite backup makes backup & creates Icons on Sd cards
I want to know Can we back up our cell phone useing the Older
back up than the recent one ?
Cos my Device shows very little free space
& it could be cos i have been trying all kinds of differnt software
Or is there a Way to make a Device clean up,
Like we do on our PC -Disk clean up
which Removes - Temporary Internet Files, etc
Thank you for your Help

I go into the file menu and delete them there.

chasr11 said:
I go into the file menu and delete them there.
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HOW ??
plz explain step by step
Start/ setting/ then...........

SPB-Backup fried my Diamond

I used to love SPB backup for keeping my data safe when I screwd up my phone too much, but for some reason I have less good experiences with the SBP / Diamond combination.
First all, my faforite contacts dissapeared from the TF3D tab when restoring a backup (happened to me several times), then my music player went crazy after another restore and finally it crawled up and died in a quiet corner after another restore... I had to hard reset to get it alive again... and re-install everything...
This never happened to me while doing the same thing on a HTC Touch...
Am I missing something or is SPB Backup not working properly on the diamond???
Is sprite backup any better???
Ps: I use stock NLD ROM 1.93

i don't like Sprite or SPB Backup for the Diamond, neither seem to work properly! At the moment i'm using Jeyo Mobile companion for the Contacts, Messages (SMS,MMS,Email) etc and it seems to be ok as it also saves the message threading too which is a bonus!

That is weird, i use spb backup also and have no bissues with that. just can advise you to go through all the settings as there are several that need to be set correctly. Also during restore you need to correct the options for restore.
If you set it up correct all will be restored.
Grtzzz Machineman

What is your SPB backup version ?

I found SPB backup caused only problems with my M700. For the Diamond I just copy all data off, and fortunately use Outlook on Exchange to resyn contacts, email etc etc.
I then have to reinstall all apps :-(
I have it down to a 10 minute, fine art.

Have used Spb Backup for while with my Diamond and no problems.....perhaps a re-install of the program is in order

arix said:
What is your SPB backup version ?
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SPB backup 2.0 I think, I just downloaded the latest version and used that, su I am up to date...
I think the SPB cannot handle the internal memory or the TF3D settings or something...
I think I will make just backups of email and contacts etc and also learn how to install everything in 10 minutes like Sickboy555
[Idea] Would it be possible to create one big exe or cab file from several loose cab file's and maybe also integrate some reg tweaks, so I can install them all in one go?

Chris1974 said:
SPB backup 2.0 I think, I just downloaded the latest version and used that, su I am up to date...
I think the SPB cannot handle the internal memory or the TF3D settings or something...
I think I will make just backups of email and contacts etc and also learn how to install everything in 10 minutes like Sickboy555
[Idea] Would it be possible to create one big exe or cab file from several loose cab file's and maybe also integrate some reg tweaks, so I can install them all in one go?
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I m using the latest version as well (2.0 something) and I have no problem at all,
I made restore from backup few times and all were ok..
The problems I saw that while using my local interface language instead English it made some problems, so I m using English iterface anyway and Just have to change from local language to English after HR..(u can use
other language , but b4 backup change to english)
2 more thing that u should take care:
1. save all the backup u make (once in 1-2 weeks or something) in your PC.
and if problem with one restore u can use the previous one..
sometines u have problem due program that u installed and u make a backup
with the problem (otherwise why to make HR and restote ?), and the prblem still exist after restore...
2. Do SR b4 backup , u get "clean" RAM for backup...

If you are discussing technical problems with a backup program, and you arent sure of the prog version, you are just wasting your own and everyone elses time. Find out.

hello,
before starting a backup reset your device.
and before you playing the backup back, reset it too.
than you will never became problems with your spb-tool.
sometimes you have really wait for ending of backup(ping) or restoring.
dont wait and reset your device and try again.
no prroblem that you dont know your version,
because a backup-program is for backup(ping)/restoring,
an essentuelly needed tool for all devices of the world.
dont sell if dont well !!!!
check the german o2-site (http://www.o2online.de/nw/support/downloads/software/xda/xdadiamond/index.html) for money-less backup-tool.
okokur

I have been using SPB Backup (and Weather and Shell) with no problems on my Diamond.

spb backup 2.0.1 build 3092
sometimes i had "messing" contacts (doubled from sim) but all the rest worked fine. I'm on 3rd rom installation and after flashing/Hresetting i just restore my last backup of the old rom using the option "rom upgrade" thicked.
all ok: custom weather, powermanagement, background 4all pages, font fix and so on... (to be sure i keep this "system" cabs in an internal storage folder named "mayday").
I run a scheduled nightly backup everyday

boglll said:
spb backup 2.0.1 build 3092
sometimes i had "messing" contacts (doubled from sim) but all the rest worked fine. I'm on 3rd rom installation and after flashing/Hresetting i just restore my last backup of the old rom using the option "rom upgrade" thicked.
all ok: custom weather, powermanagement, background 4all pages, font fix and so on... (to be sure i keep this "system" cabs in an internal storage folder named "mayday").
I run a scheduled nightly backup everyday
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While u using nightly backup everyday it means u don't know if u have "stable" mobile since it makes restart
everyday after backup .. when I had problems b4 restore
old backup I got restart without reason every night, and I see it as problem...after restore no more restart every night..

I think sprint support messed with my diamond
I use spb backup 2.0.1 build 3092 as well and backups run fine. The only thing I don't like is that after backup runs it always wants a reboot even if you tell it not too, and the option to automatically enter pin on reboot doesn't really seem to work, it hangs on windows 6.1 green screen while booting and finishes when you enter the pin code. I haven't really played with restore though. I did find after talking with sprint advanced technical support the other day, my phone suddenly lost the tf3d quick contacts and then also required full contact sync with outlook. It seemed that something tech support did remotely wiped out all my contacts! Has anyone else ever experienced this? I thought this happened on my original touch as well once or twice. Does sprint have this capability? Has it ever happened to anyone else? Am I just paranoid?

Looking for a BU/Restore app that will do a "true restore".

Yes, I searched and couldn't find an answer.
This is what I'd like to do:
1) Back up everything on my phone.
2) Flash and play with different ROMs
3) Flash back the original ROM.
4) Restore the system to what it was..file by file EXACTLY what it was.
Now, before you say "SPB Backup", I'm using that. It works very nicely but it doesn't do a "true restore". It only adds new files and overwrites updated files. It doesn't delete files that aren't in the backup image. So SPB isn't quite what I need.
I wish to find a BU/Restore app that will put the system back *exactly* the way it was. Add new files, overwrite updated files and delete files that aren't in the backup image. IE: A "true restore".
Thanks

I don't think any backup utility will erase files for you; you need to do it yourself. If you want something automated, it's pretty easy to write a set of mortscripts that will delete all of the crap you want to get rid of regularly. It would probably take you an hour or two to get a script that would deleted a hundred or so files.

Fred Doolie said:
Yes, I searched and couldn't find an answer.
This is what I'd like to do:
1) Back up everything on my phone.
2) Flash and play with different ROMs
3) Flash back the original ROM.
4) Restore the system to what it was..file by file EXACTLY what it was.
Now, before you say "SPB Backup", I'm using that. It works very nicely but it doesn't do a "true restore". It only adds new files and overwrites updated files. It doesn't delete files that aren't in the backup image. So SPB isn't quite what I need.
I wish to find a BU/Restore app that will put the system back *exactly* the way it was. Add new files, overwrite updated files and delete files that aren't in the backup image. IE: A "true restore".
Thanks
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There is indeed a way to do this and as you said SPB Backup won't do it.
If you want to stick with SPB - then there is SPB Clone.
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/clone/
There is another one that came out recently Sprite Clone
http://www.spritesoftware.com/products/sprite-clone
I've used SPB Clone quite a bit in the past and it's always worked great. I have Sprite Clone but I haven't tried using it yet (no need at this time) - but this one might actually be better because it supports wm 6.5 and I don't think the other does yet.
There is a trial version of the Sprite Clone one here: http://www.spritesoftware.com/products/clone/clone-trial-request
and a trail version of the SPB clone one here:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/clone/download.html
So that's the good news. The bad news is how much it costs - yer lookin at 300 bucks.

I use SPB Backup but just hard reset the phone before using the standalone restorer.

You know, you should try out sk tools backup (comes with sk tools). I've used it a few times recently, and it will remove files that weren't present during the original backup procedure. I've seen it remove links in the startup folder and also remove files from the root of the storage system. I'd say it's pretty close to what you want, and you may already have it.

Farmer Ted said:
You know, you should try out sk tools backup (comes with sk tools)
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I will second the motion for SK Tools Backup. Once you make a backup file it copies an exe to the same folder for restoration purposes. When you need to do a full restore, hard reset your device and run the backup program that was created along with the backup file. It sets EVERYTHING back to the way things were.