Htc - bad company – that doesn’t respect it’s customers

Htc - bad company – that doesn’t respect it’s customers - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General

There I said it – let the flaming begin that there are too many similar posts.
But seriously – why keep the bad comments and opinions in one thread. You know what - HTC CEOs, VPs aren’t going to go through each thread and post to look for bad comments, because those guys don’t have enough time.
New guys who want to buy a new HTC device aren’t going to go through each thread either.
So bad comments / opinions need to be out there and be seen by everyone.
The problems with my HTC are: squeaky front/back plate. Scroll wheel pops out of its socket sometimes.
I was contemplating of getting the HTC Diamond – since it does look nice. But I’d rather spend my money on a new company which should be given a chance – Velocity Mobile http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1287
http://www.velocitymobile.com – I think it looks pretty nice.
If something is made in china it’s probably crap, but when it’s designed and made in china .........

might as well purchase a CECT_P168

You’re joking right– CECT has garbage specs, they slapped together a bunch of parts, it doesn’t even have EDGE
Velocity on the other hand: Wm6.1/UMTS/HSDPA 850/1900/2100/Quad Band GSM/aGPS/MicroSD/2.5mm jack/miniUSB

what he was saying, was what you can pretty much expect from this "Velocity" cell phone. Garbage build quality, coupled along with legendary chinese customer service support!

Velocity Phone
Actually, the Velocity phone is quite nice looking, and has MicroSD card slot

nphil said:
he was saying that was what you can pretty much expect from this "Velocity" cell phone. Garbage build quality, coupled along with legendary chinese customer service support!
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correct that was exactly what I was saying. However, I did not feel a need to be straightforward with someone who posts threads titled "HTC-Bad Company-that doesn't respect it's customers"

Taninpv said:
Actually, the Velocity phone is quite nice looking, and has MicroSD card slot
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Ok purchase the device and let us know how it works for you. If many considered purchasing this phone I am positive that some idiot out there will make a thread titled "Velocity-bad company-that doesn't respect it's customers"

Velocity is based in Seattle, WA, USA and London. That speaks for itself, the people hired here aren’t some 3rd rate designers/developers.
I will buy a Velocity and won’t set my expectations super high and you buy your next HTC and bend over.
Look at it this way: HTC is established company that just released a new Kaiser ROM and didn’t test that Skype works. WTF is that?

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Velocity is based in Seattle, WA, USA and London. That speaks for itself, the people hired here aren’t some 3rd rate designers/developers.
I will buy a Velocity and won’t set my expectations super high and you buy your next HTC and bend over.
Look at it this way: HTC is established company that just released a new Kaiser ROM and didn’t test that Skype works. WTF is that?
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I understand. I saw the thread trashing HTC and I got upset. I had a long day and I am tired of seeing people trash HTC or the Kaiser because I love my device. In fact many users who own a Kaiser/Tilt who broke their previous one have bought a new device, which leads me to believe they too love their device. I apologize for my harshness but I am just really sick of these threads.
I reviewed the links you provided before I posted and the phone does look nice. However, their other device looks like a blackberry and one looks like a diamond. That alone would keep me away from making an initial purchase.
I hope you try the device and report back to us one day and prove me wrong.
*edit: I paid $210usd for a brand new tilt w/o a contract, no bending over here sir maybe you like to do that in your spare time.

sashi123 said:
Velocity is based in Seattle, WA, USA and London. That speaks for itself, the people hired here aren’t some 3rd rate designers/developers.
I will buy a Velocity and won’t set my expectations super high and you buy your next HTC and bend over.
Look at it this way: HTC is established company that just released a new Kaiser ROM and didn’t test that Skype works. WTF is that?
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Well atleast HTC DOES release new roms periodically. The improvements might not be phenomenal, but they are significant none the less. I've had a couple of sony ericcson's and motorola's and none of them have released firmware upgrades as much as HTC does.
SE declares a shelf life of 2 years for almost all devices, during which they release maybe 2 or 3 updates. I had an M600i and it was extrememly buggy, and practically ZERO response from SE made me return it.
Same goes for motorola, the only people doing something to improve the firmware on phones are the russians, who painstakingly develop all sorts of hacks/mods to make up for the bugs/missing features
So yeah, if you want to take your chances with a relatively new(i think?) company and trust them to release regular updates, go for it and let us all know!
Btw, as for the whole driver fiasco, honestly, how many of you would notice, and how many of you would complain if the dev's here did not discover and announce that the kaiser did not utilize the imageon hardware at all, and was infact crippled?

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HTC, I've had enough of your BS.

Allright guys,
I hate to do this, but I'm sick of getting flipped off and getting broken promises from HTC. If I wanted those, I'd just get into another relationship with what seems to be a nice girl at a bar. I've sent in more than 9 hand written letters and countless emailed ones. I've made the proverbial ****-ton loads of phone calls. And all this through my own, free time. And I know that I'm not the only one. There is an army of people here who've written, pleased, asked politely and signed a petition. We've lambasted through what seems to be HTC's "cover fire" on the issue. After being dicked around, I didn't want a politically correct and savvy response to the issue that tells me nothing at all. For the money I paid, I wanted the basics. What, When, Where, Why. What was the problem? When Will it Be Resolved? Why has this been overlooked? If I can't get away from my girlfriend with a politically correct and savvy response to the issue of why I spent $700 on a new phone, then I don't believe HTC can use that ploy either.
Yea we've all heard this rant before, but I'm sick of this. If **** doesn''t change soon, I'm taking my business and my accounts elsewhere. It's sad when I have to degrade myself to think about rebuying the iphone. But hell even if we all know the iphone doesn't have all the features the tilt does, at least IT DOES WHAT IT'S PROMISED TO DO. No Smoke and mirrors. No concise and no business response. It just does what it's supposed to do out of the box.
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
P.S. And for all those who say this is a Business Device, not an entertainment device: As a business user, it's pretty damn hard to tell a client "HOLD ON, I NEED TO SWITCH TO LANDSCAPE MODE" or "GIMME A FEW MORE SECS TO SHOW YOU THIS EXCEL SHEET. WAIT, IT'S LOADING. ALMOST...." Even us business users are getting pissed off.
And, again, I hate the iphone, but how many of them do you see complaining because their device doesn't do an advertised feature? Or is misadvertised?

I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.

yes i agree at first i was im love with my tilt but when my video recording capabilities sucked arse and simple things like scrolling while playing music makes the device lag now u know its a problem ive hear dof frigging wizards playing games better than this and they tote this as it being the most powerful windows device out but i was still gonna buy another htc product but once they released that statement im like are u serious this sis ur answer not even a "u can buy 4 more apps for 20 bucks" like steve jobbs is doing i mean i wouldve at least appreciated that but i think i might go to the tytn or the iphone they deliver on wat is promised

My next phone will probably going to be an iPhone once they release a 3G version of it. I miss my 8525

xmoo said:
I was a huge fan of I-Mate.
But the Kaiser seemd to be good. That's why I bought it.
I think this will be the last HTC I own. Gonna stick with I-Mate for ever.
We need to sue those *****es.
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I-mate is switiching manufactoring back to HTC, in essence it is just an HTC with I-mate branding. Hopefully they will support their devices with all the adequate software and updates, unlike HTC.

Infornography said:
Allright guys,
Good luck everyone. This may be the last HTC product I'll ever buy.
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What do you mean "may"? I have absolutely excluded it. After all this mockery and arrogance from HTC, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I EVER went and bought another one of their devices, at ANY point in the future.

Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?

I had this phone for almost two months now and I have not experienced anything that has turned me away from another HTC device. I purchased it with only 35mins of call time for only $210 and I believe its worth double that. My life has become more organized, I get much better reception, I can use the internet at decent speeds, hell and the video quality isn't that bad, i got TT6, and so on.
I've really enjoyed this device, xda, and the learning process.

i've paid 800 cdn when it first came out and dont regret one bit...yes maybe there are issues with the phone but which phone is perfect? its all about personal prefs and give and take..to me this phone is good and i can live with whatever wrong with it...having said that its not the perfect phone cuz everyone wants this n that...i'll still switch over to the x1 just because its new and id like to try it out...if its not good then i'll go back to kaiser...if kaiser isnt good...maybe i'll look into another machine...but a phone is a phone...its not perfect...unless we manufacture our own phones

Since most forums are essentially self-help groups, it's not such a surprise. When I think of my previous WM5 i-mate - the hourly soft re-sets, unreadable screen in sunlight, constant need to re-calibrate the screen, poor receptoion (even though at the time I thought it was the coolest thing) - I thank my lucky stars!
chuk

i agree, its not perfect and the camera is rubbish, i still have the hermes and i prefer the camera on that but, updated hardware and built in gps does it for me.
People should start complaining about things that matter!

I'm irritated on principle about the driver issue - I strongly believe they should have supplied whatever software support was necessary to get the best out of the hardware, because we all paid for the latter and we shouldn't have to get it working ourselves.
On the other hand, generally the performance is acceptable and as a whole the device works very well. I'd probably be more annoyed if I'd paid a lot of money for it, but as it was quite cheap for me I'm more than happy with it overall. But HTC need to take note of the driver furore and the damage it's quite fairly done to their reputation.

redbandana said:
Why does everyone appear to complain about their kaiser?
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I don't! ;-)
No, seriously: I thinks that's a false impression. In this forum you will find a lot of perfectionists who always want to get out the most of their phones. And even if they do, they still look forward in buying the next generation. At least that description fits me. ;-)

I don't complain about mine and I was one of the first people in my area to buy one. I Think someone cried wolf regarding the video driver and now everyone wants to be cool too. I would like to see them but my phone kicks other phones butts for breakfast.

I was perfectly happy with my 8125 (Wizard) until I saw Engadget's preview of the Tilt. I immediately pre-ordered it through AT&T Premier, and had it in hand on launch day. Even though I will probably buy the Xperia sometime next year, I am in no rush to get rid of my Tilt.

As a noob to the whole genre of ppc's... I have to admit from everything i have seen here at work with other pda's and ppc's, My tilt kicks the s--t out of the rest. I know there are complaints about the video drivers but f--k it, i didnt buy my tilt to watch videos... i bought it to take care of my daily needs for when i cant get to my computer....

Probably because it is human nature to complain......
I've had mine since the first of October 07, and haven't really had any issues.
I had to return it because the USB port died. Didn't really like the camera
until the hotfix came out, which pretty much fixed the camera issue for me.

Exactly... Ive upgraded like twice and got the fixes I wanted and I'll tell you I wont get rid of this phone for awhile.

I think the only real reason for a complaint is the driver issue...
people had expectations that the device would out perform a hermes for video playback because of the data sheet and the graphics chip. Then when people got it and it shuddered and such due to no driver support people got mad.
I understand, people bought the phone expecting one thing, spent a lot of $$ and it did not meet there expectations.
Maybe it was their bad for having expectations but, they were founded on qualcomms own marketing for the 7200 chip.

Oh I understand what you're saying about the driver issues, I'd be pissed too if I had bought for those issues. Its HTC/Qualcomms f--- up for putting out the ifo like they did. They have a right to be upset if they bought the phones expecting something that wasnt delivered.

No complaints on my side so far! XDA helped with any issues and couln't be happier. I too will look into the SE Xperia but the Tilt will stay

If it weren't for me finding XDA I probably wouldn't have figured out the possibilities of my tilt. And I have found some really awesome stuff for it.

Sure, I am annoyed that my Kaiser is not being all that it could be as its missing some drivers, but I still like it and don't think I have ever complained.
However, I liked my Hermes. If I had not broken it I would probably not have upgraded when my contract ends in June (I only want a 12 month contract max and am a student, so not a heavy spender and can't really afford £150 for the handset as well as the contract).
I see a note about a HTC Raphael - it might get me to upgrade, but then I might just ignore it as I don't dislike the kaiser. It's not like the Wizard which really annoyed me by the time I upgraded. At the moment the only thing I am interested in is moving to a rolling 1 month contract (which is not a bad deal) and I might buy the Raphael without a contract.

The tilt is the best phone i've ever had. Who says the camera is rubbish?! did you see the panoramic shots some dude took and posted here. Those are clear as crystal. I mean geez people want a perfect cell phone with nikon capabilities. People can't seem to remember that it's a PHONE!!.. if you look at how far we've gotten in technology it isn't a bad device. I personally won't get the Xperia. I'll wait for the next HTC launch. Videos play fine on my phone and I have full movies on my SD card and stream music and videos from my home pc with no problems. People just like *****ing. Like I said before nobody started *****ing until Bill Nye the Science guy started that driver post.

read my signature..
remember people... quest for perfection ends at you feeling empty and betrayed.

I have taken mine to Hell and back ...the fact that it still works is amazing
I realise it has some drawbacks..but I am fine with it. Not changing it anytime soon.

Im quite happy with my tytnII had it for six months now,it is a shame that the drivers are not there for the imageon card,mainly because im a bit of a gamer and was looking forward to seeing what it was capable of.
Unfortunately it seems its not upto much, the slow down on call of duty is laughable i think my nokia 6680 could out peform it.
That aside i am very pleased with it.
If it wasnt that i was put onto this site by someone i probably would have sent it back (HTC TAKE NOTE)...I got this phone free on cotract at the time they were going for £440 pound on ebay i would have been seriously pissed if id paid cash for it outright.
A set of drivers would be sooooo nice,so keep putting in the hard work those who are working on them,and thanks to xda devs a invaluable lifeline to many.

HTC pushes back Android Eclair update again [link]? Also questions on ROMs! TIA!

http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.

if you can wait, wait for the supersonic.
otherwise it is really a matter of preference. my brother has the moment. he loves it because of the keyboard. otherwise the processor may be snappier but i can't tell a difference...
he doesn't run any roms, nothing worthwhile out there. And I am running 2.1 already thanks to our great devs.

For me it's really a matter of cost and time. I really need new phones and the time it takes to get a healthy discount on a 2 yr contract could be months from now.
The Processor in the Moment would come in most handy (I would think) in future Android updates; flash if it hits; and certain apps, etc.
But if there's not pushed updates to Moment, then it's totally dependent on the community and i don't think it's as strong as here, or rather it's in a much earlier stage...
I see there are two forums but upon initial investigation, I don't see these ROMS viable as day phones, more for testing and development
http://www.samsungmomentforum.com/rooting/?PHPSESSID=8c9ead9a3ee984137fea7bf4b21ad46d
sdx-developers.com
In any case, I don't want to deviate too far into Moment in a predominantly HTC board, which brings me back to my initial questions regarding how update cycle/process works here. Wondering what base platform devs work from, and if anyone cares about the potential 'official' 2.1 update and whether or not that changes a thing here.
Thanks in advance.

maybe this will help....
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hakujin said:
http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
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Personally I hated the moment, felt like I was carrying an Abrams Tank in my pocket, and its kind of ugly. But the HUGE issue I had with it was battery life. Litterally only got about 5 hours of LIGHT use. and only about 12 hours IN STAND BY! We had two seperate moments with 4 batteries and the ALL did that. Not to mention the OS feels so heavy on it and it is vanilla as possible. Now given they are supposed to release a "Moment2" that has an ASTC TV Tunner built in, but really? Do you want to carry around an antena and watch OTA TV on a 3inch screen? Come on. Ok, So it has an AMOLED screen and the Hero doesn't...bfd the Resolution is the same, you just have more colors...again do I need to bring up the 3" screen? Your not watching High Def movies on this thing.
When typing the moment can't keep up when you use the on screen key board, you really have to use the hardware keyboard even for short texts.
Onto the Hero:
We have fully working 2.1 Roms now, given they are buggy. Most of these guys will have it figured out in a week or so for a fully functional less buggy than Sprints 2.1 ROM. Personally I am still running 1.5 just because I don't see anything that 2.1 brings me that I can't live with out. And Ill be damned if im using a password to get into my exchange email everytime.

Read the article. I saw two issues.
1 - is Sweden CDMA?
2 - the Swedish release doesn't have to impact ours (US).
But then what do I know.
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A member of Swedroid received a reply from HTC Sweden with another date! They state that the Android 2.1 is expected sometime in April but this release is not set in stone.
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Samsung has great hardware, but they've historically SUCKED at providing firmware upgrades, and are infamous for hacking proprietary, undocumented extensions onto ancient firmware... then refusing to tell anyone how it works. Ask anyone who ever owned one of their Sprint PalmOS phones (SPHi300, SPHi330, SPHi500). The end result (at least with their PalmOS phones) was a phone that couldn't run most new mainstream software (because they were at least a whole version behind), but developers couldn't even write apps that took advantage of the phones' native features because they were all undocumented and incompatible with Palm's own official way of doing it.
Put another way, don't even THINK about buying any Samsung Android phone that's not already rootable and shipping with 2.1, because community-built new releases are the only upgrades they're ever likely to see. The Moment will probably get 2.1 eventually due to pressure from Google, but I really think that will be the Samsung exception rather than its new future policy.

The Cupcake ROMs are very mature and good for essentially bug-free daily use.
The Eclair ROMs are just starting (I mean, the last 2-3 days) to get there. Both of the good ones (Flipz and Danger) are still a bit buggy. Danger appears to be, at the moment, the one farther along (I think Flipz is on vacation) and might just be good enough for daily use. Definitely not quite 100% though, as it's still a Verizon ROM and missing a couple of things like Visual Voicemail.

I came frfom a Moment, let me tell you to each his own. If you prefer a hardware keyboard, and better colors, get the moment.
If you don't mind the virtual keyboard and want to be able to flash 3-4 times a week from development community, get a hero.
The Moment currently ONLY has a cooked kernel to flash that was made by someone who started at samsungmomentforum.com and moved to sdx-developers.com.
With the CL14 kernel update the battery drain issue was solved, after putting on that update I would get a day and a half on my phone with light use, it has vanilla android with no extra interface options, which could be a plus or minus on which way you look at it.
I enjoyed my moment, but was left "wanting more", so I traded it for a TP2, which has a huge development community. The TP2 left me "wanting more" because it couldn't do the things that Android could, so I traded it for a Hero and now I am completely happy.
To each his own, sir..To each his own ;]

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way too be a ****

Sporkman said:
way too be a ****
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.

Wait for the Supersonic. Upgrade deals will come and go, that deal doesn't even sound that good to me.... your phone has made it this far, what's a few more months (hopefully... )
You will regret it if you don't once that phone comes out.

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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
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Made me laugh... And was helpful! (thanks for making my day)
Go for the Hero.. you will love it!

I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
If you like the phone you have now and want something with a snapdragon processor, then you obviously have to wait. I honestly don't see what difference a faster processor is going to make when it comes to the overall use of the phone. The 2.1 ROM's that are out now are so insanely fast that a faster processor would be overkill for the general use. It would certainly help with some of the processor intensive apps/widgets, but for general functions, I really don't think it'd make a huge difference.

tatonka_hero said:
There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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That is my thought also. And frankly, my fervent prayer. I'm due for upgrade in December, and I'm hoping the Supersonic will be fully rooted and kickin' 3G butt by then, lol!

tatonka_hero said:
I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.

Kcarpenter said:
Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)

tatonka_hero said:
you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.

scriz said:
Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
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Yeah...see I didn't know that.
I'm on the 129.99 Unlimited plan x2 lines. I guess that qualifies me, assuming I don't drink all my money away and can't pay the bill.
I guess I will requalify around the begining of december. Good thing too, cell phones don't usually last me more than 7 months or so. They habitually end up in the toilet.

thank you so much folks! You have a been a world of help in final decision... I too feel the moment is too big, and realize samsung's lackluster handset support in updates over the years... i am definitely getting myself a hero.
funny that one or two of you mentioned battery life. I was reading a very verbose conversation on that on the moment board just yesterday between engineers but thought it was related to cooked roms. this concerns me now as wifey likes the hw keyboard of moment and she's also not a tweaker so cupcake/moment will do her just fine, even if eclair doesn't make it. She simply needs pictures, video, and mobile access to facebook for android and a decent browser as well as gmail, google calendar and such and she's golden; prettiness of gui is not a concern. But this battery problem is in the stock Sprint 1.5 Roms? She would not dig 5 hrs of battery life and I'd therefore have to waste the $35 fee in getting her over to another phone!
Say it ain't so! Does this affect all stock Moments if so?
Also... this Sprint Premier... is the reason for getting it similar to TEP i.e. upgrade options faster? What are the perks and is this a request i need to make?! More details please! I'm coming off 4 years of T-Mobile (although had sprint prior to), and am looking at the $129.99 Everything Messaging (unl. data, text, mms) - 25% monthly corp. discount so ~ $97/mo before taxes when all said and done. I would like to transfer asap as our phones are ancient; plan sucks @ 700 min (although very cheap at ~$52 before taxes/fees after discount); 2 years of contract doesn't bother me so much, but if I see the potential which happens from time to time (ETF change recently) I'll jump at breach of contract and void my contract. However, I don't mind not having a snapdragon at all. It's more important to get TX numbers (for discount and lower taxes/fees) before moving west. Frankly, I've been putting of the upgrade for far too long, invariably waiting for something better, or that next great thing. I was going to go HTC TP2 because of the excellent support from this community in the past, but w/ the announcement of win 7 and tegra and the cost of the tp2 i changed my mind.
Thanks!

staring to feel ripped off.

I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.

I'm not sure why they don't update things faster either. I guess it's just that a new version of android would confuse the majority of users. idk

Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy. If you want updates, go to pretty much any other OS.

z33dev33l said:
Why would android OEMs want to upgrade their old devices? They get their money from selling more phones, if your g1 was officially kicking ICS, why would you want to upgrade? It's sales strategy.
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This is partly true, this rest is garbage.
Another thing is, people who want upgraded OSs are in the minority. So it just doesn't make since to put resources into stuff people don't care about.
A lot of my friends are still on IOS4.
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Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?

xaccers said:
Are there any programs that will only work on ICS that you absolutely must have?
There's none in my case.
My phone works great, so why do I need the OS updated to the latest?
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99% of the time I'd agree with that, but I'm fastidious when it comes to having organised bookmarks. I use Chrome at home and at work and have bookmark syncing enabled. I've used ChromeMarks to access my Chrome bookmarks on my phone, but I've always wanted it to be part of the browser.
Enter, Google Chrome for Android. It does the bookmark syncing.
I literally have ICS on my S2 for that 1 reason. Even with a few bugs and lags every now and then (it's still beta, after all).

I find the people not wanting updates comment as b.s. As for them not wanting to update to sell new phones, I agree with that, but as a consumer it gets tiring having every penny milked from you in one way or another. I buy a new phone outright every year, I have an evo3d, so comparing its update to something like a g1 is ridiculous at best.
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^ as stated you're the minority. The majority don't buy phones for updates. Hell most don't know what OS their phone has.
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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.

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if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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Correcto, thats why carriers love Android so much.
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sleekgreek said:
I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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because the programmers get paid for it so they have no hurry. the dev community wants to use it so they put alot of hours and concentration into and get it out. I feel your pain man

This.
bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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This is the most common candidate for being the main reason. Why make people content with the last Big Thing when you can instead beef up and get them hyped for the next Big Thing?
But then why schedule the Ice Cream upgrade for the SGII just before the SGIII comes out? Beats me. Maybe companies are just schizophrenic. Maybe it's a genius plan to make people fume into wanting the SGIII (people tend not to to change their minds once they've made it up) while ensuring the people who can't afford it still remain happy after six months. Maybe it's just a publicity issue (Samsung needs the positive publicity of coming out with ICS, so they'll eventually need to follow through, but not until the very last moment). Any explanation seems likely to me at this point.
This is why it's generally best to buy a future-proof phone. With the Nexus, for example, you'll be able to get indefinite upgrades from google (even if you have to go through a few hoops). The easier something is to unlock (and I suppose: the more popular it is so that more devs are working on it), the more likely you'll be able to keep your phone upgraded yourself, even if you'll have to go through a few hoops to do so. You can't rely on your manufacturer*, and you definitely can't rely on your carrier to have your best upgrade interests in mind.
Of course, if you get a new phone every year (or even every two years), this isn't so much of an issue for you. Most people probably do this (indeed, the very system encourages them to do this), and so there's little incentive to actually change the system.
*This is supposedly where Apple excels, but at what cost..

I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I'm starting to feel ripped off with how long these upgrades take. I mean when you have phones manufactures posting profits in the millions and billions, yet they wont hire the manpower to get these updates out, it gets old. I have an evo3d, and feel like we should have ICS already. I know when I had a palm pre, at launch, the armchair programmers did more for that phone for free, then palms paid programmers ever did. Thats what I dont understand, if these rom guys can do so much in a couple hours after work, then why can't these paid 8 hour sh%theads get the job done in a reasonable amount of time. Just like my acer 100 tab, when you buy it they say january have ICS, after you've bought it, now its april maybe. Ridiculous. Just venting I suppose, although I feel its a justified vent.
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As said above, the biggest issues are that Devs here and elsewhere have no responsibilities if the upgrades fail, and secondly, there are a ridiculous number of devices being released. There are about 100 android devices available as current phones, and I don't know how many total. Rather difficult to keep so many up to date. It would be nice if they would scale back how many products are out at once, but manufacturers don't seem to get that yet.

psychephylax said:
I can answer that....
You see, all the armchair programmers have a disclaimer that says "We are not responsible if we break your phone..It may, or may not work as expected and if it blows up your phone it's not our fault"
A huge corporation like Motorola/HTC/Samsung/LG/Nokia/etc have millions of users worldwide with a large set of carriers that all want to tweak the user experience to what that particular carrier wants to standardize on. The phone manufacturer may build what they think is a perfectly reasonable piece of software (ALL software has bugs by the way) only to have it kicked back by the internal quality assurance team because it fails a particular test case. And when you have several dozen/hundred developers working on software it's a coordinated effort to meet internal timelines and goals. And if it passes the internal testing it has to be tested by the carriers who can reject the software build due to bugs/user experience/last minute enhancements which triggers the whole cycle all over again.
Smaller development teams where it's a few people working on code do not have as much overhead and probably don't have as much internal testing processes for all possible corner cases as a huge company does so they can coordinate and release a build much quicker.
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I just dont agree with that, after being with the palm pre from its launch, through all the manual hacks we had to implement before preware, then finally recieving an update months later that couldn't compete with the unofficial code from the guys over at precentral. There is a problem there. I understand there is alot of red tape involved with official releases, but even given that, the time frames are still ridiculous to the point that there is nothing reasonable about it. As awesome as the pre was it was missing basic functions, functions that were there in the code, perhaps they wanted to follow apples model of screwing the customer into the next model, idk. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why htc or acer or samsung, despite touchwiz and sense and cant push out a nice update in a timely manner, none.

bacnat86 said:
if they dont update it you will be more willing to upgrade your phone sooner. They have nothing to gain from spending time updating there phones when they can slap a slightly better os on a slightly better phone and get you in a new two year contract.
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In the UK where contracts (compared with what I've seen in other countries) are actually pretty good value, you get a new phone for free or not very much every time you renew your contract.
After even a year, there are much better phones out there, the phone you have may be a bit scuffed around the corners, battery will be down on capacity.
So most people upgrade when they get a new contract anyway.

It kills me when i read about the supposedly new "jelly bean" that's supposed to be coming out within the year. Seriously? get ICS out on more phones before you even THINK about releasing another update. Who knows the actual reason behind the delays for these updates but someone needs to get on it. When some of the newest phones out right now still don't have ICS or won't for awhile, there's something wrong.

The obvious plan is to push people to buy the newer quad core phones, more contracts, more money, not to mention if there's a premium because they're "quad core" just like then 4G first came out.

the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..

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the majority of people buy what their salesman makes look good. some chick at the t-mobile store i was in bought some old phone cuz it was a few bucks cheaper than a new phone, which is like twice as fast and will have support at least 6 months longer than the other..
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This is true. A while back when I was trying to buy my first smartphone I ended up buying an original Droid just because of the salesman telling me about buy one get one offer, after reading about them, I had found out that this phone was so outdated, luckily I had found out before my 30 days.
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Oh Dear, HTC is hurting

An article on my phone popped up (sorry forgot source) but it really looked bad.
Top Execs leaving.
Their Market share has dropped so low (under 4%) that some sites put them now in the "Other" Category (along with RIM etc.).
The HTC One is hoped to save them and most agree it's a fantastic phone, but now there are parts shortages and if you don't get that first wave you won't have a winner despite being better hardware.
Profits are down 98% from last year.
Profits are like in the Millions for HTC and Billions for Samsung (not sure if that is just for phones though).
Google HTC it's is all over the place.
I sure hope they can turn things around but now they are losing key people. I've had a new HTC phone every year since the Mogul (maybe earlier, been too long).
I don't think I've ever had to replace one (except one I bricked). Sold every one as working.
By the way I think this thread does belong here because the HTC One is Key and Folks Considering Buying one should know what's going on. I had no idea.
Sad that it popped up on my HTC Phone.

I too have a HTCONE and love the quality of HTC phones. But I also have a Samsung Note II. As for HTC going down hill, it serves them right for them locking down their bootloaders. First with the Evo 3D, and now the HTCONE. Yeah, I know they gave us htcdev.com but like with samsung devices, its so easy unlocking the bootloaders because Samsung supports our beloved developers. HTC just wants control, or some control, like our parents. Htc wants to say, "no no, you cant do that with your phone, it might hurt it". Htc doesn't want to give us "users" the choice to break our phones if we want, which is why they lock the bootloaders.
Htc thinks their slick too. With the evo 3d they allowed us to unlock our bootloaders but they wouldn't allow us to flash kernels, or downgrade our bootloaders. Which is why our developers found a way to hack into our bootloaders with the evo 3d to gain s-off. But with the HTCONE they also allowed us to unlock our bootloaders, only now they made it possible to flash kernels, their thinking if they gave us access to flash kernels, maybe our developers wouldn't worry about hacking the htcone's bootloader to gain s-off. But little do they know that where ever there's a rule, there's always someone who will find a way to break that rule.
As far as im concerned, htc is getting what they deserve. Htc had some serious followers until they released the evo 3d with a locked bootloader. I alone know of a couple dozen htc fans who stopped buying htc phones just because of that actoin of theirs. So I still bought the htcone thinking they might have learned their lesson, but NOPE, instead they release a dev addition, asking for more money for it. Htc is starting to remind me of Apple, lmao...
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mswlogo said:
An article on my phone popped up (sorry forgot source) but it really looked bad.
Top Execs leaving.
Their Market share has dropped so low (under 4%) that some sites put them now in the "Other" Category (along with RIM etc.).
The HTC One is hoped to save them and most agree it's a fantastic phone, but now there are parts shortages and if you don't get that first wave you won't have a winner despite being better hardware.
Profits are down 98% from last year.
Profits are like in the Millions for HTC and Billions for Samsung (not sure if that is just for phones though).
Google HTC it's is all over the place.
I sure hope they can turn things around but now they are losing key people. I've had a new HTC phone every year since the Mogul (maybe earlier, been too long).
I don't think I've ever had to replace one (except one I bricked). Sold every one as working.
By the way I think this thread does belong here because the HTC One is Key and Folks Considering Buying one should know what's going on. I had no idea.
Sad that it popped up on my HTC Phone.
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LOL, looking at it all wrong.
For the past few years people were complaining about HTC's marketing strategies, design, and other things. HTC is taking the power from those people who were directly responsible for those things people were complaining about, and giving it to new people with fresh ideas, new strategies and new direction. Its call change, and to me its a change for the better. You can already see the difference in strategy and its working. Those guys seem bitter that they are getting phased out. HTC is evolving and I give them kudos rather than keep the same people and be status quo.

I read that story too. While I agree that HTC has suffered I believe that story is hyperbolic. Some execs left, they all seemed to have other jobs lined up pretty quickly. The fact is things weren't going great. The fact that they left might be a good thing as they might be part of the problem.
Another fact is the HTC One has been and will continue to be a success at least through the summer. It needs the 4.2 update to compete. If it launched with 4.2 there really would be no place to complain.
I don't know what the future has for HTC but they are doing better than BlackBerry and Nokia if that means anything. As for the bootloader, you heard of Motorola?
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I agree with the better off comments. The guy who is telling his friends to leave we have no idea if he is a disgruntled employee trying to blow the low numbers into a sensationalized story, or if he was legit employee that was valued at the company.
One truth we know, these guys that are leaving are the ones who drove the company downward, so yeah better off without them
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well I figure no matter what the devs we have here will still keep the one updated even if htc goes under.

sniperkill said:
I too have a HTCONE and love the quality of HTC phones. But I also have a Samsung Note II. As for HTC going down hill, it serves them right for them locking down their bootloaders. First with the Evo 3D, and now the HTCONE. Yeah, I know they gave us htcdev.com but like with samsung devices, its so easy unlocking the bootloaders because Samsung supports our beloved developers. HTC just wants control, or some control, like our parents. Htc wants to say, "no no, you cant do that with your phone, it might hurt it". Htc doesn't want to give us "users" the choice to break our phones if we want, which is why they lock the bootloaders.
Htc thinks their slick too. With the evo 3d they allowed us to unlock our bootloaders but they wouldn't allow us to flash kernels, or downgrade our bootloaders. Which is why our developers found a way to hack into our bootloaders with the evo 3d to gain s-off. But with the HTCONE they also allowed us to unlock our bootloaders, only now they made it possible to flash kernels, their thinking if they gave us access to flash kernels, maybe our developers wouldn't worry about hacking the htcone's bootloader to gain s-off. But little do they know that where ever there's a rule, there's always someone who will find a way to break that rule.
As far as im concerned, htc is getting what they deserve. Htc had some serious followers until they released the evo 3d with a locked bootloader. I alone know of a couple dozen htc fans who stopped buying htc phones just because of that actoin of theirs. So I still bought the htcone thinking they might have learned their lesson, but NOPE, instead they release a dev addition, asking for more money for it. Htc is starting to remind me of Apple, lmao...
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Hmm I'm not calling you a liar, but I am skeptical of your "couple dozen fans" story. Even if it was true, it's only a minor amount.
Facts are facts and one fact is the android community that actually hacks, roots, installs custom software or even knows those options are available, is very small. The majority of android users have no idea or care less and it's not even close. Even smaller is the part of the android community that hacks and needs s-off on a phone like the One. I flash custom roms/kernels. S-off would be pretty cool, but it isn't really gonna offer me anything more than I already have. While it's a *bleep* move for HTC to do that, it is hardly the reason they are losing money.
HTC is simply falling off because they don't know how to market. They are doing a better job with the One, but it's almost too little too late. Samsung is the new Apple and the war between Android and Apple consists of Samsung and Iphone/Ipad products thanks to huge, clever marketing. That's pretty much what it boils down to. There is a reason why advertising is so expensive.
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I read that story too. While I agree that HTC has suffered I believe that story is hyperbolic. Some execs left, they all seemed to have other jobs lined up pretty quickly. The fact is things weren't going great. The fact that they left might be a good thing as they might be part of the problem.
Another fact is the HTC One has been and will continue to be a success at least through the summer. It needs the 4.2 update to compete. If it launched with 4.2 there really would be no place to complain.
I don't know what the future has for HTC but they are doing better than BlackBerry and Nokia if that means anything. As for the bootloader, you heard of Motorola?
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Again, the 4.2 update will be nice, but nobody pays attention to that outside of the hacking community.
Samsung s4= Android Jelly Bean
Htc One= Android Jelly Bean.
What's the real difference, the real selling point to an average android user of 4.2 over 4.1 ? They aren't going to care.
You know what they see? They see Samsung commercials banging on Apple, they see software gimmicks like "smart scroll' and other "shinys"
Cool camera features, IR blasters and other goodies to show their friends. They aren't looking for better bluetooth stacks and the like. Heck even windows is getting in on the marketing ploy, showing commercials of android and phone users fighting each other, it's all marketing.

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Hmm I'm not calling you a liar, but I am skeptical of your "couple dozen fans" story. Even if it was true, it's only a minor amount.
Facts are facts and one fact is the android community that actually hacks, roots, installs custom software or even knows those options are available, is very small. The majority of android users have no idea or care less and it's not even close. Even smaller is the part of the android community that hacks and needs s-off on a phone like the One. I flash custom roms/kernels. S-off would be pretty cool, but it isn't really gonna offer me anything more than I already have. While it's a *bleep* move for HTC to do that, it is hardly the reason they are losing money.
HTC is simply falling off because they don't know how to market. They are doing a better job with the One, but it's almost too little too late. Samsung is the new Apple and the war between Android and Apple consists of Samsung and Iphone/Ipad products thanks to huge, clever marketing. That's pretty much what it boils down to. There is a reason why advertising is so expensive.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. XDA has what... 5 million members world wide... World population is estimated at 7 billions (in 2012)... assume only 1/4 of those own cell phones and lets double the 5 million number... so 1.75 billion potential cellphone users... lets just use the 50% marketshare for android... so 875 million android handsets out there...
10 million / 875 million = 1.1% ... Yes these numbes are 100% pulled out of my behind but we can get even more liberal and says 1/32nd of the total population own cell phones... that would equal roughly 9% of the cellphone population would care about unlocked bootloaders...

Well I don't know the story about unlocked Bootloaders w.r.t. other brands, except I do know it's extremely difficult on iPhones to Jailbreak (if not impossible on iPhone5). But I don't blame HTC at all. I'm sure a lot comes from carriers. They don't want unlocked devices on their network. Sprint/AT&T/T-Mobile etc. is their customer.
I also agree many don't know what a bootloader is, but it's really surprising to see things like RootExplorer, Titanium Backup, ROM Manager etc. as top downloads on Google Play. Although the stats might be skewed with all the "Wiping" and Reflashing
Interesting some see it as a positive move. Well one of the lead technical guys responsible for the HTC One just left. And the CEO said he'll step down if HTC One fails.
Yeah the new direction might be more plastic to compete with Samsung.

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Just so everyone's clear, this is not as big of a reason as this person has made it out to be. The amount of people who care about the bootloader or rooting the phone when buying an HTC phone is probably less than 2%. The problem is they were crushed with Samsung's huge spending on advertising. They even got a little bit of free advertisement for those who just pay attention because of their problems with Apple. That being said, HTC is putting more into advertisement, but they are having a hard time delivering their products. With them now being a B-List consumer for parts, it's hard to deliver the products to the demand. People now have to say "Well, I either settle with a Samsung phone, or wait for an HTC One to become available." I believe they'll bounce back, but it's going to be a tough year if they can't produce more of these phones and get them into the hands of the customers that want them.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
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As others have said, it's a very small minority that care about unlocked bootloaders, etc. Companies aren't making huge profits because of the number of people buying the phone for root, S-OFF, etc. Profit margins are based on the masses.
The real problem is the G3 was a helluva phone that was the best android phone at the time, far beating out the Evo3d, which was a crap "upgrade" to the badass Evo. And Samsuck had a helluva marketing scheme. It appears Samsung is now following Apple's lead in putting out new phones without much substance, but people "have to have them" just like iPhone users have to have the latest inconsequential update. The One is a great phone, but there's a reason I didn't renew my contract when I bought the phone. Hopefully HTC can right the ship, cause I love this phone and HTC, but you have to keep up in technology (especially wireless) not just in hardware but also in customers' perception of your products. (marketing)
I will say, I was putzing with my phone this weekend and a friend asked if it was The One, saying he was jealous after I said yep.
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As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.

numus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.
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I'm sure that percentage is much less than that even.

HTC hurt itself with Sense 3 as beautiful as it was, it lagged. Sg2 was smooth, a lot of employees at radioshack, best buy and sprint were recommending Samsung over htc because of the lag.
I met a radioshack employee who told me he had the og and got the 3D and then sold it for the sg2. He said he was happy with the move. Hi showed him my 3D at the time and yeah it lagged big time. Interestingly enough the guy told me to check out themikmik for some faster roms than the ones on xda for the 3D.
I don't want to discredit the guy with 12 friends who bailed on htc, they could have been mobile kiosk employees at the mall who recommended Samsung over htc.
Back on the current generation of phones, the one is better, sg4 lags. Might be too late if Samsung developed some brand loyalty over the last 2 yrs. As for the storagr/lack of sd, regular people don't care about it. Only here on xda people care so they can carry entire music collection and/or their pron. I'll be honest I would carry more pron with me lol
Its not the end of htc, someone will buy them to get into the mobile game, give them some cash and breathe life into the brand. I'm thinking HP would be a great company to take over htc.
Again the blame for htc downward trend lies with these guys that are leaving the company
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numus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41720350&postcount=8 Did some basic assumptions on that percent.
As for the GS3 vs Evo3d... it was actually the GS2 (Epic 4g Touch) vs the EVO3d... GS3 came out later.
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Very true and it was the evo lte vs gs3. I think another major issue that plagued the lte was the fact that the form factor is different than the one x.... Samsung made the gs3 the same form factor across the carriers. I believe this helped boost their rep with consumers. Because if I'm not mistaken HTC and sammy were pretty closely tied prior to the gs3 release ( and I know they marketed the **** out of the phone but again they only needed to advertise one device where HTC had what like 17 variants of the one last year?)
As for et4g vs 3d I had both... Twice actually and both times I preferred my 3d by a looooong shot. Battery life was so much better, beats, I liked the development better and as for speed they were close but I'll take a Qualcomm over an exynos anyday. The only reason j kept switching was because I was in a wimax area so refused to upgrade to lte and wanted to play with something else.

Another thing that hurt them was the numerous release of so many different models after the HTC evo all with different names, there was no market branding to it. think of htc sensation htc rhyme htc insert name here. Samsung chose the different route release on all carriers distinguished their brand with a common name "galaxy" series name. Every day users will see a Samsung and go oh that's a galaxy device.
HTC should have stuck to the evo brand as that was the one phone that people recognized and just used that name across the board, they are trying to do this now with the "One" series but it has been a little late.
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My whole thing about sd card is not for more storage to store music and such. It's the damn games that take up all the spaces. Games like Gameloft, gta and such 3d games uses a lot of storage space. I bought a bunch of gameloft games for a buck a piece back then and my son and i loved to play them. I'd be damn if i can't install all the games i have on a such flagship device.
Who knows, maybe just my family who play these games on these capable powerful devices.

A few years ago, there were a lot less people with smartphones and were rockin phones like Rumor touches because texting was the hot thing. At that time, phones made by HTC were high end and distinct from others so people got to know the HTC brand as awesome! HTC lost that touch at some point and failed to continue that connection with customers by getting a little greedy (imo), trying to fast produce all these different phones at the same time which imo, some of them were soso quality and people started saying bad things about HTC. If they would have stuck with awesome, unique, distinct, and innovative devices, that's what they would be known for today. But instead, now people only see Samsung and Apple as top dogs. The " Quitely Brilliant" slogan fit them very well at one time because HTC was small (compared to Sami/Apple) but had a big punch when they brought a new phone out. Anyhow...I hope HTC can turn this around and if not, hopefully Google will buy them. I absolutely love my ONE btw.....
via phONE.

Chou needs to go. The beats investment, bloated sense 3 and a continuous dive in revenue have all been under his watch . Any other ceo would have been fired long ago.
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