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[Q] Cooked roms v shipped roms

'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.

have you tried all the ROMs available
i had the same impressions as you about stability
or my phone just did not like them
but then i tried "a Touch of HD" by kwbr
awesome clean fast and stable ROM,
it doesn't need to be updated every few days because of bugs,
because it doesn't throw everything in (a ton of 3rd party apps), but it's also NOT anemic (very close to stock).
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone

Sir.B said:
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone
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i will try that rom next time i have time to re flash. The main problem i have and i'm sure many other people have is my phone is a busy phone and i just don't have the time to keep trying roms. Your advice is good specific advice which is hard to find when sifting through massive rom threads!
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?

donbronzi said:
'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.
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I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3 - it feels so darn responsive I thought I had a new phone! Of course that is my view and others may say different but hey.
Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)

donbronzi said:
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?
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from stock?
most definitely!

CutePinkSox said:
I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3...)
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I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
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Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)
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Flashing is a dodgy business!

Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.

tunppi said:
Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.
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My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!

donbronzi said:
My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!
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try davideucks v3.. it really convinced me

donbronzi said:
I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
Flashing is a dodgy business!
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I respect your point of view but, from my point of view I can't think that there's no difference between cooked and shipped roms. Before starting to cook my rom, I've tried the dutty one too, and the difference with the official one is consistent. And I think this is the same for all cooked roms here. Obviusly some are much stable, others not, but you can simply try them and chose the best for you.
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions

davideuck said:
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions
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Sorry mate, i agree with you totaly should have posted this on your thread and will do now. I did think your rom was the best i'd tried actually, really liked the look of the rom as well. I have IGO8 8.1 something something. It wouldn't install, it started then just ended. I had this problem on another rom as well.
My point is that hte cooked roms are good, and some i've tried like yours are very good. Just i've noticed in alot of the cooked roms have issues with stability, sluggishness unresponsiveness etc which were't in the shipped rom.
My feeling on it are that the shipped rom was a pretty good starting point and unlike (for example) the Kaiser, the HD as an End user device is pretty much there (video isuues beside).
Just to reiterate this isnt in any way an insult to any of the cooks that grace XDA devs. You really are doing superb stuff!!

Always remember to hard reset after flashing, that could have some effect.
No idea how you cant see it but every game, touchflo, movies work waay better with proper custom roms like duttys and laurentius.
Couldnt watch some movies properly before flashing now every movie and video clip work smooth and not dropping frames or lagging sound.

I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
I'm currently flashing HD back to the stock rom from Dutty's 1.7. Dutty's rom wasn't bad, just it seems that the stock rom isn't shabby enough to make the change as of today.

jonathanguu said:
I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
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You may be forgetting something important.. The Diamond has less memory to start with in the first place, so making a cleaner ROM for it can fix this problem by removing unimportant stuff. As for the HD, if I get 30-something percent of occupied memory when it WM is fully loaded - there's much less to be fixed...

At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!

DavidMc0 said:
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!
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Yeah the HD is really new, the cooks and helpers are often getting ideas and apps from the Diamond forum. We'll catch up in time.
Cooking a hard keyboard into the ROM would be nice, but it sounds like black magic cooking!

DavidMc0 said:
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
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This is what i really wanted to know, i didn't get the kaiser until it had been out for 4-5 months.
I have been using the touch of HD rom for the last couple of days, it does seem smoother and is definatly stable. Got some time now so will put it through its paces.
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my experience: with the trinity and the wizard, the limitations of the hardware were so stringent (ROM, CPU, drivers, GPS!) that tuning introduced very significant improvements. For example, my stock ROM was hiding the GPS, that appeared through cooked ROMs!!!!
The touch HD has a much more mature hardware, and it is born with the same windows mobile version we are all using. So, it is not surprising that available cooked rom, few months after its commercial release, are not so different in performances from the stock rom. In particular, REMOVING applications has a much less effect on the touch HD, since finally memory is not on the critical path...
Said this, i do feel that some cooked roms are faster than others, and some other ROMs are better tweaked but essentially stock roms. I can speak about my ROM: I changed the theme and tuned some settings, but it is essentially a stock ROM (latest release, but stock touch HD ROM). Other cooks have been able to introduce and experiment new features (drivers, pagepool) and, in my opinion, did a visible job in improving the basic performances. In this moment, i have to admit i am happily running DavideUck V3 and i have no problem in recognizing it is faster than the stock ROM 1.14 delivered with my HD.
Concerning stability, i have absolutely no issues with it. And yes - don't confuse radio roms with OS: radio ROM do introduce visible benefits also - but they are never cooked YET...

well i think all the chefs try and out do each other to a degree. (i mean no disrespect and some competition is good keeps them on there feet) they all want to cook the latest apps, radios and o/s builds and release first this means that they dont always get tested as well as they used to (hence slow buggy etc as theve being rushed and released for the hell of it). I and others had all these problems with the athena at the begining the 1st cooked rom for the device had obvious bugs like no sms ability or no incoming calls. and this was from a respected member of this community. i know excitement gets the better of all of us and id rather have some crap roms than no choice at all but with the current hardware i think its best to cook your own roms with a known stable rom as the base and cook in what you need or taken progs out.
Saying that ive not got around to cooking yet, I'm too lazy, but deffo ther best way forward
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH

Cooking your own rom is indeed advantageous but i really haven't got the time. The chefs know what to take out and what to leave from experience learned over time i guess.
I do agree there is a tendancy to upload cooked roms before testing which i suppose is the point, let the people test and suggest! What we need is a thread which post 'finished' or 'perfected' rom series's then score each on multimedia, business, lite, heavy, speedy, stable etc, people who've used the roms can then mark each point out of 5. This will give a better picture of what each rom is about.
It can be an absolute night mare sifting through rom threads to get a flavour of the rom.
There is a 'rom of the month thread' which is irrelevant for many as it depends on what you like on your rom, says nothing for the roms specifics and character.
Might look into creating such a beast, any points you think should a rom should be marked on maybe you could list?
Hope this made sense

Flashing: when to make the leap?

Hi all. After much gnashing of teeth with awful performance of my Touch HD, which was cured by sending it back & getting fixed, I'm now at a stage where everything's working quite well, so naturally I want to tinker with it
I've seen recent (i.e. this week) posts about continued improvements by MS on the 6.5 OS, which will assumedly get incorporated into future ROMs. Also, HTC seems to be getting near to releasing touchflo/manilla 2.5.
As i've not flashed before (ho ho), I'm a bit trepidatious about the whole thing, and am keen not to have to do it regularly, given the hassle of PIMbackup/sashimi/scripts/etc. So what I'd like to geet a feel for - what I wonder if anyone has any useful opinion about - is:
If you were upgrading, when would you do it? What would you wait for? A specific WM6.5 build? A stable release notice from MS? An official release of manilla2.5? A cooked ROM which has official stable manilla2.5 final on top of official stable 6.5 final, and has been beta-tested like crazy by other users?
All musings appreciated.
Cheers
dez

i flashed my first rom the day i got my hd.
why wait?

kubia said:
i flashed my first rom the day i got my hd.
why wait?
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Quite right too!!
the HDs standard ROM is dog-awful compared to the somewhat refined offerings on this forum.
IMO avoid Manilla 2.5 until HTC have finished it...its getting a lot better but needs some refinement.
decide whether you want 6.1 or 6.5 then have a look through the chefs thread for each version ie. NRGZ28, Dutty , Mirri to name but a few (apologies to the chefs not mentioned)
the latest build of each ROM are 'usually' ok but its alway best to check the most recent posting in any thread which some give some indication of this.
Also make sure you read the wiki regarding flashing CrackWhore i believe offers sound advice.
and dont for a second think you will only flash once! LOL its very addictive.
but there is one thing for certain no matter whose ROM you go for it WILL utterly transform your HD
good luck & happy flashing!!

Don't be scared, read up properly and flash away.
As said, It's addictive and you'll end up trying all the different Roms.
Only you can decide what and when is a good time to try whatever OS or Manilla you want, they are changing all the time so I would follow purecodes advice and get flashing.
Basically get the latest Hardspl, then decide on a rom and have them all downloaded ready on the pc. have loads of wiki type pages open to reassure you and plug in, install the Hards spl (5 mins) and them the rom (10-15 mins)
I use pim backup for contacts, texts,calender,etc and sprite for email and tones/settings, never had a problem with gettin the phone back how i like it within half an hour. MS myphone is another backup to have.

dez93_2000 said:
Hi all. After much gnashing of teeth with awful performance of my Touch HD, which was cured by sending it back & getting fixed, I'm now at a stage where everything's working quite well, so naturally I want to tinker with it
I've seen recent (i.e. this week) posts about continued improvements by MS on the 6.5 OS, which will assumedly get incorporated into future ROMs. Also, HTC seems to be getting near to releasing touchflo/manilla 2.5.
As i've not flashed before (ho ho), I'm a bit trepidatious about the whole thing, and am keen not to have to do it regularly, given the hassle of PIMbackup/sashimi/scripts/etc. So what I'd like to geet a feel for - what I wonder if anyone has any useful opinion about - is:
If you were upgrading, when would you do it? What would you wait for? A specific WM6.5 build? A stable release notice from MS? An official release of manilla2.5? A cooked ROM which has official stable manilla2.5 final on top of official stable 6.5 final, and has been beta-tested like crazy by other users?
All musings appreciated.
Cheers
dez
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As long as you follow dummies guide for flashing and read up on each rom you'll be fine.
As for everything else, your queries are opinionated and will create a long thread and is thus frowned upon. For this reason I am closing this thread.

[POLL] What ROM would you recommend to people?

This thread is for people like me, who don't know what ROM to choose from a list of many ROMs from many great chefs.
I am keeping my poll options empty for the time being as I have only played with a few ROMs without any guidance. I will begin to populate them as I start to see a few specific ROMs appearing consistantly.
I would like to ask the community of xda-developers to come by and help populate this thread with simple comments
and/or recommendations on what ROM(s if you have multiple devices) you use on your Rhodium/Touch Pro 2/Tilt 2 device.
Also, please also add what kind of user your are, or how/why you use your phone with 'said' ROM.
Additionally beneficial would be letting users know what ROM you recently used prior to your recommendation and the offsets you experience in general.
ie. ROM A is the one I recommend. However, ROM B does a few things a bit better, although ROM A is the one I would recommend to people who like smooth, quick eyecandy filled ROMs.
I also ask for intelligent, constructive critique on what you think about the ROM that you are commenting upon.
No one needs to know about what piece of profanity you would like to tack on 'user A' for saying '10101' about 'ROM B' or vice-versa.
This is meant to be a resource for new users to xda-developers, like I was, and to new owners of the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium, Windows Mobile phone.
Candidly, I would like to have the moderator's support in keeping this a clean thread to have an easier (and more pleasant) navigation throughout the thread.
I would like to start off with creating a list of ROMs organized by chef name and OS/TouchFlo 3D version.
Underneath each ROM and their links (I will either find the ROM myself, or if you can be so helpful enough to link it onto your post
within this thread), I will be adding the pros and cons that are mentioned here, and that I have found as well.
To let you know a bit about my bias, I am looking for the following items;
-Speed
--Not only operating speed, going from interface to interface, but also how it handles multitasking.
--I usually do these three together; GPS, music, web browsing/text messaging
-User Friendliness
--From first stepping into the ROM, to using it for a couple of days and seeing it's inevitable and understandable flaws and offsets.
--Customizing settings on the ROM, and the ease to have certain things.
-Miscellaneous
--Other things such as the way the ROM will handle things such as the
unsightly error of TouchFlo 3D 2.5 and it's lack of Landscape viewing ability.
--These items will account for my general accountability on the topic of
"Would I (highly) recommend to my friend, who may be the same as, or a completely different user than, me."​
My history with phones;
I have first used Motorola phones, starting with the t220 (apparently one of the first camera phones) moving to the RAZR V6 MAXX
(quite a glam, nice looking phone with great features, but poor connectivity issues with network and bluetooth) and a few years ago
Sony Ericsson phones such as the W810, K850 and the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1a.
Most recently;
I have late last year, used a BlackBerry BOLD 9000, and in the past 3 months, trialed the Sony Ericsson XPERIA.
Without much ROM customization, the stock ROM was fun to play with, but lacked the easy access and user interface speed that
I have become accustomed to with the BlackBerry BOLD 9000. However, in seeing the Touch Pro 2 and purchasing it, I can now fully indulge in customizing
it with ROMs to fit my needs, though I am still painfully without hardware keys to have quick access to my browser, music or GPS.
However, I suppose the full 5 row keyboard makes up for the lack of hardware buttons elsewhere on the body.
Currently, I am using my Touch Pro 2, mainly as a resource device. What do I mean by this? I am using it with a SIM Card that only has data services.
I have installed programs such as Japanese dictionaries, phrase banks and linguistic aids to help in my study of the Japanese language.
I also use this for school (I am currently in grade 11, high school) using this device as my quick access to the internet (even though I have my blackberry).
I suppose having new devices is an obsession for me, as with a few others on here.
I'm looking for ROMs that will allow me quick and easy access to the programs that I frequent the most such as my Japanese programs, GPS,
music, web browser, notes, M-Soft Word and also allow me to freely multitask with them.
I know that this is mainly hardware dependent, but I have learned that some ROMs take up less RAM space, as to free up some more coasting speed for programs to run on.
Posting Format​​
Please include the following;
Recommended ROM?
ROM used before recommended ROM?
Your network provider, phone (is it from/branded T-Mobile US, AT&T, Telstra, Sprint, TELUS)?
How/What do you use your phone? (Business, personal, school // As your main device, just as a (conference) phone, just as a mini internet tablet, etc...)
The pros & cons you noticed coming onto this ROM?
Who you think would benefit from using this ROM?
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ADDITIONALLY;
I want to invite Chefs to either PM me, or post what (and who) they desire their ROM to be (for),
so that TP2/Rhodium users/owners can have a one-stop place to take a look at which ROM has what to offer (and to whom).
I will be adding the Chef's words beneath the ROM(s) they wish to comment upon.
The following post will before the ROM listings.​

ROM Listings!
Chef NRGZ28
He builds his ROMs with four main goals.
* Eye candy
* Speed !!!
* Smoothness, consistency and good aesthetics
* Stability through private beta testing before public release
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★ EnergyROM "Leo" (Build 23016) [Updated Oct 7]
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.5
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Comments;
-Stable
-Fast
-Good Looking
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Great for;
★ EnergyROM "Photon, formerly GENESIS" (BUILD?) [Updated Oct 7]
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.1
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Comments;
-Bug-Free
-Great aesthetics
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Great for;
Chef Monx
"ONLY THE BEST FOR ALL XDA-DEV MEMBERS"
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ROMeOS³ v1.20 (Build 23016)
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.5 + HTC SENSE (beta)
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Comments;
-Fun and easy to customize to personal tastes
-Works great "out of the box"
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Great for;
Chef b16b
AthineOS v2.0 OEM Style (Build 21054)
Runs Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.1
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Comments;
-Works great "out of the box"
-Very stock/OEM like ROM without all the carrier's unneccessary confectionery
-Easy to use, being that it is a simple ROM
-Quick and fast
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Great for;
-Those who are looking to keep their stock ROM without carrier branding or excessive programs
-Great for business users to retain that 'corporate' look
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im so glad you have this up. i also have a hard time choosing.
pretty useless comment lol

You might be wasting your time since a mod most likely will close this thread...

How come?
If I'm making a bit too bias (on what I'm looking for) then I won't include my own opinion. That's fine.
But I want to have something like what the Kovsky/Sony Ericsson XPERIA forum has.
A ROM index, but enhanced with things such as recommendations, and owner/users & chef comments.

SleepiTyme said:
How come?
If I'm making a bit too bias (on what I'm looking for) then I won't include my own opinion. That's fine.
But I want to have something like what the Kovsky/Sony Ericsson XPERIA forum has.
A ROM index, but enhanced with things such as recommendations, and owner/users & chef comments.
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I am not sure why, the last few times someone asked which ROM was best the mods closed the thread. They claim it cuases flame wars and such.
Personally, I dont mind, like the idea and I was just giving you a heads up. Maybe you should ask a mod before your proceed further.

I would say this poll would avoid other threads like "what do you think is the best rom" or "can you advise me some rom"
So thumbs up

the best way to keep one thread like this is :
take one benchmark.. and test all the rom.. and post all result here
like topaz one
otherwise will locked soon

Benchmark?
"How does Benchmark?"
I think.. by emulating the ROM's speed and multitasking capabilities and such?
I want to know, not by computer, but by people why 'said' ROM is great.
Honestly, this is my story here;
I heard that ROMeOS's ROM for the Rhodium was great, although I had first saw Athine OS (both the light and Titanium builds with 2.1 and 2.5 Manila, 6.1 and 6.5 WinMo) and saw the pictures of the interface were just completely amazing.
So I downloaded them, but saw that they ran.. just the same as my stock ROM (at quite the same speed), though it was much cleaner than my Telstra stock ROM which was confuddled with many apps and things that I didn't need. And the light blue theme just didn't do it for me.
So then I just recently (actually last night) installed the ROMeOS ROM on my TP2 and found it so fun to have so much control upon things such as background wallpaper (both for lock screen and home screen tab). Also things such as backlighting, edit tabs, set up bluetooth, set up data, ringtones, message notifications ALMOST EVERYTHING customizable (that you would usually have to go in and out of menus for on the stock WWE ROM, and sometimes the Athine ROM) was located in one simple tab. Neigh, a simple section within a tab that had even more customization for other things on the phone.
THAT! That was most likely made this ROM popular, and it really did get into my good books quickly... until I found out that Manila 2.5 doesn't support Landscape.
I feel like I should either.. move onto another ROM, or just live with it.
I'm using Gyrator 2 along with my ROM, and it DID have the event action NOT to have auto rotate in Manila.. even though.. I want it to...
This above.. I'm looking for comments such as this, except from other, MORE experienced users with better opinions. Who hopefully can dumb it down so that people like me and many others, still fairly new to Windows Mobile, xda-developers and the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium alike, can understand.
I believe.. that this should be something like a collaborative blog.
Just reading back up on my post right now, it's almost as if I were reading someone's story.
Many users might not want to go through that, and others may just want to write something to have their experience heard.
What I want to do is sift through all of that, and just have the comments, positive or negative, tacked onto each ROM in a list.
My ROMs Listing post.
Right by each description from each Chef.
Maybe it'll be reason enough for mods to keep this alive, maybe it won't be.
But... saving the effort of going through each ROM (there are about... 6-10, give or take 5^x) in which said thread for said ROM has 10+ pages of posts, usually around the vicinity of 30-50.
That is A LOT OF READING.

useless information
personally, this is useless information and i don"t go by polls. The best information is based on users" signature. I also take time to read, instead of relying on polls.

SleepiTyme said:
Benchmark?
"How does Benchmark?"
I think.. by emulating the ROM's speed and multitasking capabilities and such?
I want to know, not by computer, but by people why 'said' ROM is great.
Honestly, this is my story here;
I heard that ROMeOS's ROM for the Rhodium was great, although I had first saw Athine OS (both the light and Titanium builds with 2.1 and 2.5 Manila, 6.1 and 6.5 WinMo) and saw the pictures of the interface were just completely amazing.
So I downloaded them, but saw that they ran.. just the same as my stock ROM, though it was much cleaner than my Telstra stock ROM which was confuddled with many apps and things that I didn't need. And the light blue theme just didn't do it for me.
So then I just recently (actually last night) installed the ROMeOS ROM on my TP2 and found it so fun to have so much control upon things such as background wallpaper (both for lock screen and home screen tab). Also things such as backlighting, edit tabs, set up bluetooth, set up data, ringtones, message notifications ALMOST EVERYTHING customizable (that you would usually have to go in and out of menus for on the stock WWE ROM, and sometimes the Athine ROM) was located in one simple tab. Neigh, a simple section within a tab that had even more customization for other things on the phone.
THAT! That was most likely made this ROM popular, and it really did get into my good books quickly... until I found out that Manila 2.5 doesn't support Landscape.
I feel like I should either.. move onto another ROM, or just live with it.
I'm using Gyrator 2 along with my ROM, and it DID have the event action NOT to have auto rotate in Manila.. even though.. I want it to...
This above.. I'm looking for comments such as this, except from other, MORE experienced users with better opinions. Who hopefully can dumb it down so that people like me and many others, still fairly new to Windows Mobile, xda-developers and the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium alike, can understand.
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How does one know which is best if they do not try them all? You mentioned two ROMs but have not mentioned the others. Can you give valid opinion on which you think is best without trying them all? Everyone has different tastes.
Those are just some of the things the mods may say and have said.
Like what I said, I don't mind a thread like this and wish there was a way to do this in a way that was more subjective.
Maybe there needs to be an official ROM judge
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Well that won't work either.
The only for you to know what ROM is best for you is to try them all until you find one that you like for yourself.

Ut0p1a said:
personally, this is useless information and i don"t go by polls. The best information is based on users" signature. I also take time to read, instead of relying on polls.
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Then.. maybe not polls?
What other way would be the best to;
1) save you time from reading a couple dozen to a couple hundred posts everytime you got a new device (though we're only talking about the Rhodium, and if you've read all those posts, I suppose you're a lost cause that I want to avoid being like, and want to help others avoid being as such as well)
2) Get you the accurate information on what are the highlights of the ROMs
2b) Without all the different ways that each chef sets up their forum posts to explain what their ROM does
2c) And have it all in one common format
3) Not many people post their ROMs on their signatures. I just saw it around as a growing
@At0mAng
Thank you for your opinion at this time of night.
Yes, did only mention (actually it was) three roms.
However, that is just only my input.
I've yet to trial the Miri ROM(s) and the Energy ROMs, just to name a few.
But mainly, I want simple, quick or concise comments on which ROMs a good/great and for what reason. Is it some part of the ROM? Does it perform better in the way that you've explained that you are using your TP2? Etc?
Yes.. everyone has different tastes, but they can mention what they like about 'said' ROM and help people become objective by the comments made here, and the quick pros and cons that have been tabulated onto the second post of this forum for quick reference as to which ROM does what best, or includes which great feature.
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This thread isn't here to decide Which ROM is the NUMBER ONE (for YOU)?!
It's to help guide newcomers to xda-developers, the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium and Windows Mobile (all together) choose which ROM to pick.
I mean.. for new people, they have probably heard of ROMs, but don't know what to do with it.
What the heck is a HardSPL and flashing it?
Or, naturally after coming from the HardSPL resource sticky, one does suddenly freeze up and get stuck before spending 3-5 hours reading posts and choosing which ROM to pick and install, only to find out it doesn't really meet their requirements and move on to another one with a HUGE amount of wasted effort.
This here is to help people like that make more objective decisions, much quicker with the pros and cons of each ROM outlined and defined.

ROM Review template?
At0mAng said:
I am not sure why, the last few times someone asked which ROM was best the mods closed the thread. They claim it cuases flame wars and such.
Personally, I dont mind, like the idea and I was just giving you a heads up. Maybe you should ask a mod before your proceed further.
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Completely agree with At0mAng and I like this idea. I don't understand the fear of flame wars either. Just ban the people who start flaming and can't have a normal discussion.
As for this thread, maybe we could all post reviews of a ROM in a certain template. E.g. give grades for speed, apps, stability, eye candy, etc... Some people look for speed and clean ROMs, others just for the most fully apped ROMs. With a review template, you could have a quick overview of what a ROM performs best on and make your pick.

It's Right!
There is NO Best ROM !
Every Cooker has his "touch and taste" in his ROM...
I love to work with you all, guys...
All the cookers here are talented!
Work AS a TEAM get us a BETTER results!!
Continue all, in the great progress...
We will "knock out" HTC software at a glance...

TheAgent1982 said:
There is NO Best ROM !
Every Cooker has his "touch and taste" in his ROM...
I love to work with you all, guys...
All the cookers here are talented!
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It's not the point of this thread to find THE best ROM, but to find the most suitable ROM that fits your needs, at a glance...

Normally these threads are just closed as At0mAng said, but that would be unfair to the OP who's invested a fair old bit of time in this. It isn't the usual format and could be beneficial.
I've said before, that there isn't a forum rules preventing these threads, they are just closed because most of the people who create them are lazy noobs. If this threads is successful, then it "should" lead to less new threads.
I'm now subscribed and will monitor it, if it does degrade in to pretty much a Chef A vs Chef B thread, then I'll close it.
Thanks
Dave

Hi,
I'd like to take the opportunity to try to find a ROM which fits my needs: is there any Rom out there with WM 6.5, quicker than the stock ROM (if one can compare), with as few bugs as possible, still keeping Manilla 2.1 ? By the way, I am not interested in aesthetics, nor in software when the cab is available to install by myself. I only tested EnergyROM Genesis up to now, which is excellent, bug free as far as I can tell, but with many applications, very good aesthetics, maybe speed could improve with lighter graphics... Is there any quicker ROM here ?
On a side note, I find that the virtual keyboard of the TP2 is slow, e.g. changing from alpha to numeric takes too much time (then the first digit you type is ignored), does any ROM (or cab) improve this ?

Recommended ROM
I agree with the moderator that this poll (purely on the basis of statistics) is an interesting experiment and should not be stopped. It is vital though that people who vote have tested a significant number of the roms available.
I tested all the roms available on the 20-25 Sep period (7-8 of them) and I ended up using NRGZ28's Leo Manila 2.5 ROM as the most stable, fast, good looking. Essentially I encounter no bugs in every day use and I would recommend this rom to any TP2 user.

Fastest, most stable and with the least amount of bugs. Which rom?

Which cooked rom offers the best stability, speed and least amount of bugs for a T-Mobile HTC TP2? I'm new and would like some opinions. Thanks!

It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully I didn't annoy others. Sorry folks.

If you are looking for stability instead of eye candy then go for the ROMs without HTC Sense. I know it looks good, makes you feel good when you swiipe left and right and up and down, but the fact is that as soon as it is disabled your battery life will improve, you will have more RAM to run different applicatons, and the device will not get bogged down. I bought the Touch Pro 2 because I like Windows Mobile. It works. The Touch Pro 2 is as powerful a device as I could ask for running WM or really anything else. HTC sense is just a VERY in depth overlay. In the end it is an application which takes up processing power, memory, and reliability. I am currently using the Cell Evo V6 with NonSense (I like that and the two Royal Physicians I've had agree...haha!! I named this drink!!) and the battery life has improved drastically, as has reliablility, and my ability to mutitask.

cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.

nokiadashi said:
cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.
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totally agrees on cell pro series
do try others aswell,and see what suits ur taste

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully the thread is not locked. It is a completely reasonable question to ask and it would be absolutely wonderful if members were a little nicer to people who are obviously new and requesting a little guidance. I don't cook ROMs. I don't often come up with great solutions to problems with a ROM and put those solutions into little .cab files for everyone. I don't write applications. I've only donated to a few ROM cooks (maybe three or four maximum) since I have been a member here. One thing I can do is offer a little advice and assistance to those who do not even have my limited experience...those to whom I have something to offer. Why not try this?
To get back on topic though, I might as well try to answer the question a little better than I did last night. I had an excuse then!
I have tried pretty much every ROM for the Rhodium and I found myself really enjoying the Energy ROMs but encountered a few bugs here and there which gave me reason to try something else. I really like those Energy ROMs but I always feel like I am waiting for the next one so I can get rid of a problem on the one I'm using. I tried the latest ROM from Ark666 and I really like that one. It appeared to be very stable and it just looks good. I'm not referring just to HTC Sense but everything really looks nice. However, when I disable the HTC messaging client there is no MMS option and I couldn't get it working so I gave the Cell Evo a try. Everything seems to work and it has been rock solid. No freezing or sluggishness.
I have gone back to the defaut Windows Mobile today screen instead of HTC Sense and right now I am using just the basic original one. After a restart I have about 110mb of free Program memory this way and getting to new messages, opening the calendar, and so on is so much simpler and quicker than with HTC Sense.
Windows Mobile is great...I really like it. Instead of covering it up with all that extra graphical distraction why not focus on tweaking what is already there and making dedicated applications that are of greater use?

I have to agree....Best ROM used so far is The cell pro series v11.

Cell pro series but the 21xxx series windows mobile build ones. Also the energyrom Sense 2.1 ROMs, also 21xxx build version. Both are really fast and stable, love them both equally, hard to decide between them for sure.

iris_aim said:
totally agrees on cell pro series
do try others aswell,and see what suits ur taste
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I'll have to try that one out. Seems like something I can really rely on.
BTW, thanks pinhead.

WM6.1/WM6.5 ROMs *NOOB* review using TyTN II

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and it's based on my experience for a few hours with each ROM, not into scientific facts or long-term testing. Since I'm quite new to these stuff, I may be wrong to several things.
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Hello everyone,
Last week I joined this community in order to upgrade my recently acquired TyTN II phone. I first tried Ahmedfikry's ROM that worked great for 6 days, but after some slowness/hanging issues (which I'm still unsure if it was ROM's fault), made me to try others as well. I've spent whole weekend, trying several cooked ROMs (especially recent ones), in order to find the most appropriate for me & my mobile device and I decided to share my test experience with you.
Hardware used
- HTC TyTN II
Software used
- Daveshaw HardSPL 3.34
- Kais Radio 1.70.19.09
Notes
- Further than removing mini-SD/SIM, I was installing stock ROM & performing hard reset (possibly unnecessary), before each ROM installation in order to avoid keeping configuration from previous ROM.
WM6.1 vs WM6.5
WM6.1 ROMs seem extremely fast & compatible but unfortunately I'm getting addicted to WM6.5 which has several improvements. If you need really stable and fast phone, stick with WM6.1. Otherwise, if you can sacrifice a bit of stability & performance.. for cool features, go for WM6.5. Additionally, it looks like some GPS navigation applications do not really like WM6.5 yet, so you may want to take that as consideration as well. Keep in mind that all ROMs may have their issues so I consider important author's willing to help people in forum.
Tested WM6.1 ROMs
- Shifu V20 M2D 2.0 [21055] [Full]: Fast interface, good applications
- Stylez Black v.5 D3D 101MB Manila 2.6 Theme [21051] [Full]: Fast interface, frequently updated, good applications, good & fast support from Stylez
Tested WM6.5 ROMs
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23541] [Light]: Fastest WM6.5 ROM I've seen, frequently updated, good support by Ahmedfikry. I only faced some slowness issues at the 7th day but worths another chance (especially since a new build is out)
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23544] [Light]: Just got released, I'm going to try it soon
- hoatienii's upload - PDAVIET.NET 3.34.721.4 - KAISER CE OS 5.2.21893 [21893]: Few applications (almost stock), but it's kinda laggy at my device
- Staxxtanium V03 [21891]: Nice skin & software, good applications, but it's VERY laggy at my device
- Staxxtanium V03 [23529]: Nice skin & software, good applications, but it's kinda laggy at my device
- Shifu V4.2 - RAM 101 - D3D - M2D [21854] [Full]: Fast interface, good & organized applications. M2D's landscape issue annoys me a bit.
Tested ROMs but not reviewed
- KaiserTouch' 21892, KaiserTouch's 23541 and esperOS 28205 builds installed fine, functioned fine but all of them had white screen instead of home screen. It might be something wrong on my side, as I didn't see others reporting it, so I believe it would unfair to review them yet. If I find the cause, I'll check them again later.
Finally, I'm between Shifu V4.2 & Ahmedfikry's light rom. I will probably try Ahmedfikry's once again, especially since he released a new build today and if problems re-appear, I'll go for Shifu. Android is also something I want to try in future (maybe next weekend). If you have any cooked *fast* and *good* WM6.5 WWE ROMs to suggest, please do!
Special thanks to all Chefs that have spent their valuable time to share their work into this community. If you have any comments, suggestions or even disagree with my opinion.. feel free to post. I didn't make this thread to judge cooked ROMs but mostly to share my opinion, so I'd appreciate if you also do the same.
PS: I like this community and I wonder if I'll start cooking some day as well, since I have some developing skills.

First of all, I will like to thank you for sharing your opinion It's quite interesting to know your personal observations regarding mostly of the roms.
My opinion to you, is that you probably didn't experience the fullness of some of the tested roms.
For example, from your info above you only tested a combination of Hard and radio...having this, probably it affected the perfomance of some roms and your opinion about them. The chefs try these roms for a lot of time and they test radio and hard combinations that most suit their roms.
Maybe you should need more time testing roms and update your thread constantly over the time, if you want to keep it interesting.
Additionally and my final comment, roms are made for different tastes and suits different needs for many people, that's why there are many out there. What I'm trying to say to you, is that what is best for you and it will not be the best for me. You can see in the specific threads of these many roms that many people says the rom is the best for them and for others isn't. Also you will experience it here.
Thanks and good luck

Hence the reason he put this in the post.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and it's based on my experience for a few hours with each ROM, not into scientific facts or long-term testing. Since I'm quite new to these stuff, I may be wrong to several things.
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That was pretty cool of you to write this.

I'll definately be following this thread, as I am new to the world of ROM's as well. I've not tried a lot of radios with each ROM, and I've only tried out 3, though none of the ones the OP has tried. Maybe I will give them a shot as well. For me my priorities are a fast phone that I can use for system administration and looks good as well. I am currently running T.I.R. v 10k Angel ROM currently. It has a lot of the features I like, and is fairly responsive, but some of the customisations are not to my taste, and I've had to disable a couple things because of speed constraints.
I look forward to more reports. It does seem no matter what I choose, even the stock HTC ROM, my wifi is a bit buggy, has trouble connecting even when a few feet from the AP, with unobstructed line of sight. Oh well, might fix it when I replace the digitizer in a couple weeks. Phone was well used before I got my hands on it.
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I don't know how much of this is true, but a work colleague who has had years of experience with WiMo phones offered this tidbit:
A lot if the improvements in Windows Mobile 6.5 are HTC's customisations on 6.1. Microsoft and HTC built Windows Mobile 6.5 off the back of HTC's work on UI customisation and other changes. The keyboard in 6.5 is excellent, as is the haptic feedback.
I don't know what a naked 6.5 ROM looks like, as I haven't found one to try yet. All 6.5 ROM's will be slower compared to a 6.1 just because of the system requirements and all the extra fancy stuff 6.5 does.

Thank you all for reading this thread and special thanks to the people that replied. So far, I haven't tried any other ROMs as Ahmedfikry's has kept me very satisfied.
So the latest status based on my experience:
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23544] [Light]: My mobile phone has been fully functional for the whole week, without even the need to reboot it. I had no problems while exchanging e-mails, using office applications, connecting via mobile internet/WiFi and playing games. I am going to try 23545 that I heard it's quite faster.
I'd love to hear opinions from other people for other ROMs as well. Come on guys, share your opinion. It's a general opinion thread after all. I'd prefer to post positive or negative xopinion about ROMs into a general thread than going to an author's thread and saying "your ROM is slow, this one is fast".