Since I just found out there will be another phone called the HTC Raphael I'm in doubt which one to buy.
I haven't seen real clear pictures yet of the Raphael, but the specs I really like so far compared to the Diamond. microSD slot, a qwerty keyboard, and a tv-out.
Yes, it does not have a 4gb internal drive, but thats where the microSD slot comes in handy, which i prefer.
Being used to using the qtek9000 I really like the keyboard.
For the rest I assume it will have the same neat functions as the Diamond, like muting when you turn it up side down, the stylus things when you take it out, the touchflo, etc. If this is all exactly the same as the diamond I'll definitely go for the Raphael.
What do you guys think about it? Something I haven't thought of maybe...?
It does look a little square on the pics, but i can live with that.
HTC Raphael = HTC Touch Pro
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Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz
512MB ROM / 256MB RAM
7.2MB HSDPA / HSUPA (rev A EVDO for Sprint versions)
2.8" VGA screen
WiFi
Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
eGPS
3.1MP Camera with flash
Forward facing camera
TV out
Orientation sensor (a-la-iPhone)
FM Radio
microSD expansion
1350mAh battery
Raphael: 51x99x17mm
See the Underline features ..
The Winner is HTC Raphael
Ah i see... well this looks a lot better than the picture I come across all the time, like on this website
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/htcs-raphael-and-diamond-coming-to-sprint-and-looking-good/
But I didnt know about the flash and the better battery. Its getting better and better...
AbuHumaid said:
The Winner is HTC Raphael
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This is MDA Vario IV and not HTC Raphael which is announced to have different specifications.
athanaso77 said:
This is MDA Vario IV and not HTC Raphael which is announced to have different specifications.
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Yes in the pic its MDA Vario IV ..
but the HTC Raphael have the same specifications and the same look too ..
It'll have a huge downside however (at least for some...) - bigger size (almost twice as thick), weight and price. The specs are promising, practically the same as xperia, but still i'm going for smaller diamond.
haobe said:
It'll have a huge downside however (at least for some...) - bigger size (almost twice as thick), weight and price. The specs are promising, practically the same as xperia, but still i'm going for smaller diamond.
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From gsmhelpdesk I get the following sizes (if they are correct):
Diamond:
102 x 51 x 12 millimeters
T-Mobile MDA Vario IV
103 x 52 x 18 millimeters
Its almost the same size and only 6 mm thicker. WIth the advantages of a keyboard I dont mind that at all personally....
What do you know about the price difference so far? Is this one really that much more expensive?
jcasplinter said:
Its almost the same size and only 6 mm thicker. WIth the advantages of a keyboard I dont mind that at all personally....
What do you know about the price difference so far? Is this one really that much more expensive?
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For me those 6mm make a huge difference, but of course it's not as huge as some WM devices. My phone sits always in the front pocket of the trousers. Currently i've got SE k750i which is 18-20mm thick which is quite annoying, and that's why i haven't bought any device with WM so far.
So in general, it really depends. If you don't mind the size so much, because 18mm isn't a disaster, raphael should be a lot better. The price difference i assume (but I've no real knowledge) will be approx the same as between touch and touch dual, so also not so big.
However I'm looking for a small, light phone with WM to do some additional work occasionaly. 4gb storage, on screen keyboard and 1-2 day battery file suits me completely The only thing i'll really miss is the flash light.
if only
it looks nice and everything,but maybe i`m the only one who dislikes the talk and end talk keys on the phone.i think they should take up less space so the screen could be a bit bigger.just like the mogul 9 darn keys on the front that they could`ve made smaller,and could`ve did away with the grey linen to make it even wider.
I’m not denying that for some people size is the most important factor so they will obviously go for the Touch Diamond (MDA Compact IV).
But if you just take a step back and look at the size comparisons, and compare the HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) with a couple of the most popular candy bar style phones at the moment that people are carrying and it doesn’t look to bad.
HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) 103 x 52 x 18 mm
HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II) 112 x 59 x 19 mm
Nokia N95 8GB 99 x 53 x 21 mm
Sony Ericsson K850i 102 x 48 x 17 mm
I know I’m not comparing windows mobile devices here. But what I am comparing is the sizes of phones people are willing to carry around for additional functionally. For people moving over from the Nokia N95 8GB, the K850i, and the HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II), the size of the HTC Raphael will be comparable to what they already had. This decision will be different for everyone. So some will end up with the Diamond, and some will end up with the Raphael.
And that's exactly the beauty of having the choice It'd be nicer if both phones be available at the same date, but that's another story.
Blackkeyz - the larger lcd - the wider the phone. It could be larger only vertically, but that would mean another aspect ratio, screen resolution, more pixels, more power etc and in fact too little space for the keys below, so it would be larger anyway (like xperia). I believe that the main design principle in this phone is the size and the looks, with many sacrifices for that.
blackkeyz said:
it looks nice and everything,but maybe i`m the only one who dislikes the talk and end talk keys on the phone.i think they should take up less space so the screen could be a bit bigger.just like the mogul 9 darn keys on the front that they could`ve made smaller,and could`ve did away with the grey linen to make it even wider.
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You might want to go and have a look at the Samsung SGH-i900. Like someone else said, the aspect ratio changes and as such, you might end up with compatibility issues with legacy software.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1039
no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.
I'm used to the keyboard with my Hermes. So I think I might miss it with my ordered Diamond. Still I do not cancel this order and wait for the Raphael...the slim design and touch flow make it a tempting device and the keyboard is usefull, but i think i'll get use to none soon..after all, have been without it for years...
An SD-slot? Wll, 4gb is enough for me. Have worked with 512mb in my Hermes for over a year and a half. Now it's loaded with a 2GB card, which is far from being filled up...
Besides, when my contract ends in 2 years, there will be the same dillema probably...
Yeah, I was all up for buying the biggest card possible when I got my Touch, but I didn't, and I've subsequently discovered that the included 1GB card is more than enough for me. 4GB is plenty...
Pawel062 said:
no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.
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tilt display? What does that mean. The screen is the same as the diamond isnt it?!
About the storage, it's different for me. Using GPS, listening to music, and using the Tv-out for playing movies (if that goes smooth) ill end up having a lot of data on my card. So I'll definitely need a 8gb microSD or even bigger if possible for this one. But thats just me
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no one ever mentions that the raphael will have the tilt display like the kaiser does.
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Are you sure ? Doesn't look like it based on the pics.
HTC Raphael (MDA Vario IV) 103 x 52 x 18 mm - 158 grams
HTC Kaiser (HTC TyTN II) 112 x 59 x 19 mm - 190 grams
HTC Diamond : 102 x 51 x 12 millimeters - 110 grams
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And here is the HTC Touch Dual for good measure :
107 mm X 55 mm X 15,8 mm - 120 grams
I have both the TD and the Kaiser and there is a HUGE difference in "portability", you can lose the TD in your pocket, not so with the Kaiser and I'm afraid it's going to be the same problem with the Raphael, although the 158 grams might help a bit.
Actually now that I'm used to TouchPal, I can probably do without a full keyboard, a phone keypad is very useful though, we need a Diamondized Touch Dual !
The screen is the same as Diamond's (VGA), but it's got the same or similar display housing which enables you to tilt the screen...
Source ? Have you seen pictures of the screen tilted ?
knows anyone witch is the aprox releasing date of Raphael?
Related
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8476.html
Same spec with Kaiser, but with VGA 640x480 , 262K colors , FLASH, XGA Video out.
That's enough for my next Kaiser replacement.
If it's indeed ever to be released !
More complete spec:
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_9502-2158.php
Looks OK, but for a device that's the same size or larger than the Universal, I'd want a screen you can close, to protect it when it's in a pocket.
That's practically UMPC size, by the look of it.
With a 2.8" screen? Sounds pretty close to the size of the Kaiser.
Bet 640x480 looks real sharp on that size screen.
I dont think this is that big, according to the article the dimension is:
116 x 60 x 17.8
While Kaiser:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_TyTN_II#Specification
112mm (L) x 59mm (W) x 19mm (T)
HTC Universal:
127 mm (L) x 81 mm (w) x 25 mm (T)
So, it is still SMALL device !
specs look identical to Kaiser to me, other than VGA screen
nothing earth-shattering there, imho
dld
As far as i know, WM6 doesn't support 256k colors...
wow... looks good.
any idea when it will be released?
Have any of these devices gone thru FCC approval yet? Don't think they have.
Nice device but no FM radio !
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
Wow, it looks darn good to me. VGA screens really do look sharp and ultra crisp. I would really want to know if it's a trans-reflective screen, that would push me towards it more.
Kaiser 112x59x19 190g
i-Mate 116x60x18 200g
Size wise, pretty close.
I was getting a little bit of envy until I read this.
...so you would have to be nuts to pay over $800 (xx50 anticipated price) to an overseas company or US importer, for a phone which comes from a company with tech support and return policies which are reported to be horrible, and questionalble quality products.
...I will NEVER buy another IMate product.
They are the worst company I have ever dealt with.
But don't take my word for it- Do a search in the PPC forum. They have horrid, incompetent support.
The only rom upgrades they ever put out, were basically stolen from the work other vendors had done (there were other vendors tags in the rom)
You have been warned.
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Source
I handled two months back
Flying from Singapore to London, sat next to an engineer for the company. All I can say is the demo i held was a high quality steel make, no plastic etc, and the keyboard was sleek but smallish. Form factor similar to Kaizer but heavier.
The design / engineering are in the UK and he had two phones on him, this and another standard phone (no keyboard)
M
I'd wonder what kind of battery hit that VGA screen would have as well.
It has the same CPU with Kaiser.
Pops_G said:
If the stats are the same, such as the processor, and it is higher res, wouldn't it just be like a kaiser, but slower?
Im not sure what the advantage would be of more pixels in the same amount of space would be. 2.8 screen is pretty small, 640x480 on that is going to be ultra fine.
Maybe this is a case of "Less is More", but I will hold my judgment till I can see it in action.
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Htc diamond is pretty impressive with its 3D touch flo,etc etc however Htc is also about to release the Htc Raphael aka T-Mobile Vario IV which had all the features of Htc diamond PLUS a lot of extras eg...
Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none)
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz, etc
Details are as below
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&view=1
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306&view=1
Needless to say if u had not committed to buy the diamond yet hold your horses for about 1 month later approximately u can have better value for money in buying the htc raphael instead.
The only con is that the raphael is slightly heavier at 160gm instead of 110gm for diamond
Sliding qwerty keyboard like Tytn II <-- yes
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb <-- yes
Double the RAM from 128mb to 256mb <-- diamond has 192mb ram
Micro sd card slot(diamond has none) <-- yes, but no built in 4GB
Cpu clock speed from 400mhz to 528mhz <-- Use same core platform, CPU speed and graphics etc are identical
You forgot
1340 mAh battery (vario) as opposed to the 900 mAh (diamond)
Vario is 17mm thick, Diamond is 11.3 mm thick
Really the BIGGEST plus for diamond is size, and that IS whats going to decide it for most people. There is a significant difference in the volume of the two phones. You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
Anyway, everyone knew the Vario was on its way, pictures of both were leaked at the same time.
oh and expect the vario to cost more too.
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150
someone1234 said:
PS wrong place for this topic.. there's already one about diamond vs raphael (aka vario) in the corect place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396150
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Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!
Vario vs Diamond
The biggest 2 problems that I can see with the Vario are these... First of all, that sliding keyboard is great... but it has been confirmed that there is NO tilt such as seen on the tytn II!
The other biggest problem is the obvious measly 256 Ram. I know you COULD put a chip in, but be honest... 4gb internal memory is a much better option.
Bearing in mind that i recieve about 200 emails a DAY (IT manager!) the diamond just makes much more sense! I use a universal at the moment, and have pre-ordered the Diamond. That lack of tilit screen convinced me to wait for the "second Gen" versions of this series!
I already carry a "monster" around with me. but now i want something that is both stylish and practical. The diamond simply fits that bill! Smart enough to replace my Uni, and also enables me to do stuff like have email on the go, and super fast browsing and vid conferencing. AND i am getting fed up with people brandashing IPhones and wanting me buy one.. Coz its apple!
You also forgot to mention that this device has a tv-out!
this device?
which one? diamond definitely doesnt
so im guessing you meant raphael
thats a gimmick, ive got it on my athena, and in the box they give you vga out cable, not tv out. tv out costs 15 quid extra.
and i have never used it anyway
Rory
Yeah i mean the VARIO.
Go to a friends place, connect your phone to the tv with the tv out and play movies from your 8gb microsd card (or higher... just takes time.)
Go to work, put your presentation on your phone connect it to the beamer and give your presentation .
If these things are really possible, i'd definitely use the tv-out. I never had a phone with this so i dont know how easy to use it is though...
yeah everybody know, just like iphone 2.5->3G . they alway to limit their best technology to suck our pocket! how come a vga on 2.8" and 900mA battery... is today use,
just the UI
No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm
Alfredos said:
No not 256mb Ram but 288mb Ram
Read here and here and here
and it's 18.05 mm instead of 17mm
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and also here
regards
What about the Touch Pro? Or is that that HTC Raphael?
Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.
Someone from another (german) forum guessed that Diamond and Raphael are the same except keyboard and sd-slot. He found a setting in the registry about tv-out, too.
BTW: The Diamond has 528mhz, too.
King of Rapture™ said:
Not really!
The Raphael and Vario differs in specs and they are not the same.
Read the specs carefully on both of these!
The Vario has better specs!!
Double the ROM from 256mb to 512mb
and the RAM from 128mb to 256mb
The ROM and RAM on Raphael is same as Diamond!
KOR!
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That is simply not true. The HTC Raphael (aka Touch Pro) is indentical in spec to the Vario. They are the SAME device just with a slightly different casing and of course the T-Mobile customised ROM.
The Vario IV and the Raphael will both have the same ROM/RAM capacities.
TV-Out
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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when at London Diamond launch I seem to remember the Diamond linked live to a video wall unsure if this is only on development platform of the phone, the VGA of this HTC res makes this a more interesting project
someone1234 said:
You will see many people who are more interested in a style phone to show of to their non WM using friends buying a diamond, and more hardcore WM fans buying the vario.
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Not necessarily. Some hardcore WM fans would undoubedly want to make WM seem more stylish, so it becomes more popular and therefore more rapidly, and better, developed.
TarKin said:
well, as we all know the raph. and the diam. seem to share the same hardware.
so, i was wondering if any of you guys already:
a) either know how the raph. accomplishes that? (extra cable like with iphone) - plugged into what? the usb?
and
b) if there´s any chance to get that working on the diamond too.
anybody able to enlighten me about that?
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The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).
and this is in the diamond rom development because????
RobbinM said:
Yes, the HTC Touch Pro and the HTC Raphael are one and the same.
I currently own a HTC TyTN II and I want to switch to this phone too.
I've made a nice comparison table. I will now translate it to English (from Dutch) and then I will post it.
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Dark Fire said:
The HTC specs page seems to imply that the TV Out is through their 'HTC ExtUSB™', which the Diamond has. So, therefore, with the right cable and software, you might be able to get TV Out on the Diamond. However, it probably requires special drivers and stuff that will never be made compatible with the Diamond (otherwise HTC would have put that feature on the Diamond too).
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You are right in that the connector is the same externally, however internally they are slightly different, and that a few additional discrete passive components are required to enable TV Out.
It is unlikely that these are fitted as default. One thing is clear however that the Qualcomm chip used does support TV out, so if the main PCB tracking is common between the two devices, then there is a possibility that the tracking is already in place for the diamond!
Well what does this mean, well it means that there is a chance is could be made to work on the diamond, but I wouldn’t hold your breath!
Read the Press Release at:
http://www.geardiary.com/
Very zexy beast!
Kevin
i can haz Touch Pro pleez
*drools all over keyboard*
Excellent! Some official data. So the end of the summer huh.... well just gotta wait for it, cause its definitely worth it!
the spec looks very nice.
just wondering it uses 1350mAH, but claims to be able to talk up to 8hrs.
is that even remotely close?
what do you guys think?
micro sd, now we're talking!
official on HTC:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=49926
sweeeeeet
e-gps
I read on the htc site it is GPS and a-GPS ready. What happended to the eGPS plans?
****s over americans again with 900/2100 hdspa/hsupa
looks amazing though
ill be getting one come release, and release date decides whether I get a diamond inbetween
I'd still prefer the diamond. I found I no longer need the physical KB. It really is frustrating wanting the phone, having the cash to buy the phone, willing to import it, but not having one that will work with your network. Oh well. I guess HTC are just asking me to consider alternatives. So they are forcing a loyal HTC owner of the past 3 years to consider Sony, Samsung, and even *gasp* the new iPhone...
According to the spec, I prefer HTC Touch Pro to Diamond.
Anyone know roughly how much will it cost yet?
Yep. I still prefer the Diamond. The design is better and the lack if keyboard (and therefore less thickness) is important to me.
Really torn between these 2, is the next move a Diamond with a keypad, instead of keyboard. keep the thinness but have a physical entry method?
Makes sense to me, can you XDA geniuses fix that too, please......
Also might get the Diamond waiting for the Raphael..
Prize..
imatrix said:
According to the spec, I prefer HTC Touch Pro to Diamond.
Anyone know roughly how much will it cost yet?
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In Denmark, (http://www.tele-online.dk/) it costs about 670 Euros. The Diamond costs 525 Euros. So its a lots of money.
mooooooa said:
In Denmark, (http://www.tele-online.dk/) it costs about 670 Euros. The Diamond costs 525 Euros. So its a lots of money.
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Thanks mate. surely it's expensive, I'll wait
Dark Fire said:
Yep. I still prefer the Diamond. The design is better and the lack if keyboard (and therefore less thickness) is important to me.
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you are right about the thickness, diamond is much thiner, I'm hoping to find a foldable external keyboard for diamond.
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you are right about the thickness, diamond is much thiner, I'm hoping to find a foldable external keyboard for diamond.
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Is this Touch Pro to be thinner than the Tytn III. If not, HTC will need another excuse for not "fitting" the Quad chip in there!
The evolution at the moment is not that huge compared the keyborad less devices.
But it is already at the same thickness as old keyborad less devices
Raphael (with Keyboard) have now the same thickness as Trinity (without keyboard)
With Keyborad
HTML:
TyTN 113 x 58 x 22 mm & 176 g
TyTNII 112 x 59 x 19 mm & 190 g
TyTNIII 102 x 51 x 18 mm & 165g
Without Keyborad
HTML:
Trinity 108 x 58 x 18.4 mm & 150 g
Polaris 110 x 58 x 15.5 mm & 130 g
Diamond 102 x 51 x 11.4 mm & 100 g
man its a real thing... SD slot .. hmmmm
anytime better then diamond..
but costly
Have you seen Bengal Boy's hands on review of Sony's X1? It's going to be tough to decide between the Touch Pro and the X1 if they hit the street about the same time.
I'd definitely go for the Touch Pro out of those two...although I'm currently planning to just get a Touch Diamond and keep that.
Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
But screw HTC... Hope someone else will get the right video drivers working for the TyTN2,
however my upcoming phones won't be from HTC anymore
this one looks nice, but tytn II also was looking good. and what we got now? just some barely average phone. we will need to think before we buy tytn III.
however, i like the screen being on top and VGA resolution. i don't like diamond style buttons, i prefer real hardware buttons.
Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
And the angle of the display doesn't seem to be adaptable
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thats exactly what it is!
One thing that i hated about the diamond theyve fixed in the Touch Pro (well 2 things actually) .. ok 3 things!
- SDHC SLOT!!!!
- Hardward Keyboard
- Light on the camera! Missed that so much ..
Although i'm not liking the look of the joystick, need to test one to see how it feels
And the lack of hardware buttons on the front and side is a bit of a downer! but oh well
If this comes out on orange when my contract ends i'll blag a free one hopefully!
Is there a picture of a phone there somewhere?
Does anybody at their marketing dept know how to take a photograph properly? All those shadows and black make it about as clear as their policy regarding video drivers on the TyTN II. A classic example of attempting style at the expense of practicality as far as I can tell. Are people only getting half a phone when they buy one of these?
Only 2,8" screen? Damn. They could make touch pro with 3" screen.
Question is.... is there same bug still what is in older 2,8" screens?
Using screen in game slows down device awful much
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!
Moskiitto said:
And no tilt! Well my htc kaiser stays special
Still waiting for Sony Ericsson Xperia!
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Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.
kdskamal said:
Your kaiser will stay special even then because Xperia too doesn't have a tilt mechanism.
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Aaaaaahhhhh, but the Xperia does have an arced screen which slides in an upward motion, not quite the tilt but better than flat.
I still prefer my TyTN II though.
wow!
I love it!
this will be my next device!
now we (we Europeans that is) have to wait for Fall to arrive
do we know what carriers this will be on yet?
bluemamba said:
Its out!!!!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
http://www.htc.com/WWW/press.aspx?id=50016&lang=1033
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Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents
NikonMan said:
Looks like a rip off of the SE Xperia ... but rumor has it that HTC is the OEM for the Xperia ....
I'll be getting the Xperia instead of this unit .... similar specs but Xperia has a better keyboard.
The Tilt/Kaiser 'film' keyboard is an abomination ....
my .02 cents
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How on god's green earth can a phone which is cosmetically near-identical to the Touch Diamond, and descended from long line of HTC Tytn-like keyboard devices, possibly be termed "a rip off of the SE Xperia"?
Particularly when this phone is almost certain to be out before the Xperia?
hi guys,
i have the kaiser, the raphael looks cool but IMHO it doesn't worth the switch,
- the display size is the same but with double resolution
- it seems that HTC have developed only some API to make manila run smooth, in that case the 2D will suck like in the kaiser
I will wait .... I was a Kaiser early adopter ... HTC will not fool me again .....
bye bye
That definitely is not going to replace my tytn II
i would buy one to replace my Tilt if the screen were a bit bigger. VGA is great, but at 2.8 it really won't matter. (for me anyway)
not impressed with no tilt action will not be getting this
Geo_Ros said:
Seems like a HTC Diamond with a Qwerty keyboard added
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not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.
Lorbas said:
not exacly, look at specifications:
Diamond:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
Internal storage: 4 GB
Touch Pro:
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 288MB
Battery:
Diamond:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Touch Pro:
Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 1340 mAh
Touch Pro have microSD espansion slot too.
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and don't forget the FM radio with RDS!! (that could be nice with TMC )
No GSM 850mzh again?!
Damn it, is HTC really don't care the market in NA?
I've been offered a Diamond 2 for pretty cheap and I was wondering what the guys thought about updating?
is it really worth the expense for a removable card and a little bigger screen...or is there more to it?
Is this all there is?
what do you think?
Thanks
mike
The Diamond 2 offers two main advantages:
1. style. It has a bigger screen, and looks better. This is ofcourse depending on your own taste
2. Software. The Diamond 2 has, in my opinion, a much better touchflo interface.
Ofcourse 1 can only be achieved by buying the device. But 2 can also be achieved by a custom ROM. I personally use Gen.Y's D2 ROM. It basically just the diamond rom with the diamond 2 interface installed: very nice. If you want to update read this for a guide. Also wait a few days, Gen.Y will release R5.1 on january 5.
He also makes roms based on the new HTC HD2 Sense interface: Gen.Y's D2X ROM. I've tried it: its definitly a nice interface upgrade but it's kind of laggy on the diamond and uses more RAM. If you want it you should buy a real HD2: it's hardware is very good and reviews say it's super-fast (it has a 1Ghz CPU as opposed to the +-500Mhz of the Diamond, Diamond2 etc.).
To round up: I wouldn't do it, just install a custom rom for the new interface and save the money for a real upgrade, like the HD2.
Thanks for the thoughts, i originally got the TD cos of it's size to power ratio, i recn that the HD/2 is pushing the size thing for me.
I can put the TD in an aluminium belt case and it's not really in the way. the HD may be thou....I need to do more homework first
I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive (diamond1 screen is full of scratches).
Yes, the diamond2 is bigger, but the bigger screen really has advantages (surfing, calender use, input etc..) and i must admit too that TF3D works alot smoother outta the box with diamond2.
Tx to this site i managed to upgrade my diamond1 to a higher standard so it still suits my needs, but i keep bumping in to memory problems (RAM and storage) every now and then, where the diamond2 has no problems at all.
Diamond2 runs even smoother with the newer cooked ROMS (even the ones with all the Leo stuff in it).
I would definitaly choose the diamond2 above the diamond1, but plz don't tell my hubby
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I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive
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The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.
I prefer Diamond II than Diamond I which has
+ Better battery
+ Expansion card slot
+ Bigger screen
+ Reservered ( I haven't got it yet )
I'll take Diamond II when I have chance.
hmmm.....can i justify the expense it's in really good nic and my beloved 3700 is looking a bit worse for wear ...
I love my Diamond but it has it's disadvantages like a shortage of RAM, although the Diamond II does have more RAM it wouldn't make sense for me personally to upgrade to a Diamond II (both have basically the same hardware). I'm due for an upgrade next week and thought that it would be best to upgrade to the Touch HD2 but since it's not available in my country yet I opted to go for the Touch Pro 2 since it has some nice features that the Diamond II does not have... and offcourse a nice big slide out keyboard! The fact that the Diamond II has a 5mp camera and the Touch Pro 2 only a 3.2mp one doesn't matter much to me as well since I barely use it in any case.
It's difficult to add more to what has already been said for the advantages of the Diamond 2 over the Diamond 1.
Recap:
• way better camera
• way better screen
• way better memory (Ram & Rom)
• better battery consumption
• better construction build
• despite the CPU's are identical in specs. Diamond 2 CPU is been rated faster then original diamond
Bonus:
• if you have a great price it's a no brainier as the original Diamond can only compete if lighter weight and smaller size was a priority.
If it had a 3.5mm Jack, heck I think I would trade in my HD for it....
dtechnology said:
The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.
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You're right, i didn't know the processor was the same (only different last digit in specs and rated just a tinytiny bit faster), and i'm comparing them running both on WM6.5 with Sense 2.5, that's not fair towards the good ol' diamond1
I've been thinking about what to upgrade to myself actually. I'm not really willing to pay for a phone offline- so have to restrict myself to the upgrade options available on T-Mobile UK.
The obvious choice would be the HD2 but just thinking it is just that too big, especially going from a Diamond (?)
I dont see the Vario V (HTC Rhodium/TP2) on T-Mobile UK site, anyone if they still do it?
I agree with others that the Diamond2 probably wouldnt be worth it. Saying that, if the price you are getting it at is really cheap then it could be an option; you could always sell off your Diamond. But I'm definitely not about to 'waste' my upgrade on the Diamond2
With the latest ROMs around at the moment, the Diamond barely manages to cope (WM 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 for example).
dtechnology is correct
its just down to personal choice to be fair