Howdy, guys. First post here, hoping to lean on y'all for some help.
I'm new to the WM phone category, but have been using a mobile computer since the days of the HP200LX, then to a Philips Nino, Casio E100, HX4700 and now the TyTNII. My use is both personal and line-of-business as a highly mobile 'day trip' laptop replacement.
I already have a considerable investment in PPC software from WM5 (list below), but given this is going to be a constant travelling companion unlike my HX4700 which I'd leave behind often because of it's size, I'd like to replicate that utility on the new device.
Suffice to say I'm no stranger to PocketPC (or whatever MS is calling it these days), but I have a couple questions. Short and simple:
1) What's the difference between the TomTom 'Taster' version and the full version (V.6) shrinkwrap?
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Howdy Bill,
BillTheCat said:
2) What usability software would you recommend? Looking for something to make the smaller screen easier to navigate. I currently own:
1-Calc (PPC and desktop)
Pocket Mechanic
Virtual Explorer
Ewallet
Flex Mail
Pocket Informant
ListPro (Pro)
SPB: (PocketPlus, Backup, Finance, Weather)
Calligrapher
PhatPad/PhatNotes
Tweaks2k2
NetFront
(Yes, they're all legitimate, purchased, licensed copies)
3) What ROM updates would you recommend? I've already flashed 6.1 off the HTC site, but find the machine hangs a bit from time to time. Though I tend to prefer my installs lean and mean, the utilities in the HTC unit are very nice, like the camera and wireless control panel to turn on and off the various radios.
Well, that's it for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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That's quite a list you got there.
For easier navigation you might want to try
1) Ultimate Launch
2) SPB Mobile Shell (i see you have the other SPB softwares..)
3) WisBar Advance
You will find some good therads in XDA on all the softwares mentioned above.
3) What ROM updates would you recommend?
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The Reaper said:
Since you already have the latest official ROM, you might want check out the cooked ROMS here.
Here's link that gives you good info on most available ROMS for the Kaiser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=399510
Also, be sure to read all about Hard SPL before you try flashing a cooked ROM
Here's the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
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Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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Only if you don't follow the instructions. Read, re-read and follow exactly and nothing should go wrong. There are some brilliant people (GSLEON3's are burning) on here who can help you if something untoward happens.
All of the information you could ever need is in the stickies and Wiki. If you get stuck with anything find the thread for it and ask.
There is even a process for Reverting back to the OEM SPL and ROM/Radio for a warranty return.
Ta
Dave
BillTheCat said:
Thanks for the feedback. I confess as much as I like the idea of having a ROM with only what I want, it makes me a bit nervous. I've twaddled with re-flashing my RAZR in times past, and even used 'cooked' ROM versions on my HX4700, but neither of them were a $600+ phone. What is the risk on any of these procedures? Is it possible to brick the phone?
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I used to have to get back to a computer to check email regularly - I did not realize how often this actually affected my day. With the TILT I no longer have THAT problem - I get emails and can respond to them easily and rapidly. I highly recommend the TILT for business people as it has definitely improved my ability to conduct business.
I recently went to a convention and needed internet access for a demonstration. The show (Seattle Convention Center) charges $800.00 for three days worth of internet access. I used internet sharing on my Tilt and at no charge did the demo. Priceless... (well - saved $800.00 right there)
Personally I have found that I do not need anything other than what is in my current ROM (see my signature) although I use TomTom for navigation when I go on client sites as I am directionally challenged and don't care for mapquest. I also use TRAVKME - nice program.
The TOMTOM taster version vs real version? The real version works - nuff said.
Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some . You will see lots up here about people bricking their phone. I am a newbie myself and have now flashed three times with no problems - you will need to read a lot but it seems to work for lots of other people. Not reading enough will be your downfall.
Good luck,
Bill
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Can you brick your phone - come on guy - read some .
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Bill, no need to be condescending. I'm not lazy, just cautious. I have enough experience to know what I don't know, and to know that what I don't know can hurt me very much. There's been more than one buggy bootloader and cooked ROM in the history of Windows Mobile. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, and which ROM fits those needs. Because I have so much full-version 3rd party software, there's not much I really need in the ROM. For example, zip is handled by VirtualExplorer.
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
Thanks for the ideas. I'll poke around and see what works.
Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.
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Bill, no need to be condescending. ..snip.. Besides, there seems to be some controversy over HardSPL in terms of how it works. I'd like to hear some discussion on that.
I guess what it boils down to is figuring out what I do and don't want on the machine, ..snip..
Still looking for a more crisp reply on the TomTom issue, though. I've read on another board (Extensis) that it's the same as the full version but limited to one small map. But I'd like to see that corroborated by at least one or two more people, or someone who has firsthand knowledge. The reason is simple economics. TomTom is charging $140 for the full version, but only $70 for a map. If I have the core application, that's a fairly attractive savings.
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Sorry that you thought it was condescending... It was not meant to be. BUT - you asked if you can brick your phone and if you had read it would be OBVIOUS to you that you CAN brick your phone as there are many sad tales of those who did not read or had other issues.
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The ROM choice is yours and you will have to play/read and try until you are happy. Opinions on ROMs will certainly vary. YOUR opinion will be the only one that you value.
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
YES - there are HACKS out there that will allow you to circumvent their scheme to make you pay them money - but that is stealing and you would not do that would you? (One of your other posts I think made a great show of how all the software you had was legal and purchased - you would not want to start down a different road now would you?)
Bill
ChumleyEX said:
Tomtom taster only gives you one map, mostly just a city, the other version provides The entire country or more sometimes.
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Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?
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Sorry that you thought it was condescending...
There is NOT a lot of controversy on HARDSPL - please read the thread on that - you will find that a lot more is known about it now and there appears to be resolution - you need to know which HARDSPL to load for which ROM you are loading and you will be all set.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396922
The TEST VERSION will NOT work with full maps - you will need to purchase a full version if you want a TOMTOM that actually works. Not sure how to say that more clearly - if TOMTOM was stupid enough to give you a test version that worked the same as the full version why would ANYONE purchase the full version?
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No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.
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No harm done. Just didn't sound quite right at first read.
I guess I just didn't get far enough along in that thread yet. There are more than just a few posts.
I think you may be mistaken on the TomTom issue. It's a 'tAster', not 'tEster' version. I think what they've done is to give the core program but charge for the map only. I'm on hold with TomTom as I type this and will get back to you guys once I have an answer from them, or if I don't get a clear answer from them, I'll contact HTC directly.
At the end of the day, I'm in a 'holding pattern' of sorts. I don't want to invest a huge amount of time installing and configuring software for the current ROM implementation only to have to do it all over again with a redacted version.
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Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
From what I have seen the AT&T stock ROM was pretty good - I actually liked it. I upgraded to the DEATH ROM because it was AT&T based and looked like it had some improvements that I thought I would like - version 4 I upgraded to last evening.
Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
1. fast
2. stable
3. hesitations gone
4. fast switching
5. radio clear and flawless
6. bluetooth works a treat on three different sets that I use regularly
7. fast connection on GPS
8. using the 3.5 dialer (the version 4 dialer is sad in my opinion as I like large buttons) the phone is awesome
9. email works a treat
The only "bug" I have at the moment is the crazy screen going off on me when I am on a phone call - and the chef is looking at that.
My recommendation -
1. upgarde your current ROM to DEATH 4.1 and
2. purchase full version of NAV6 from TOMTOM.
Pretty sure you will be happy camper.
Bill
I am using the TomTom 'taster' version supplied with my Kaiser quite happily with a full version of UK & Ireland map with no problems
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Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...)
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Wow. You're not kidding about support. On the phone now with a guy at HTC and he was insisting that GPS was a service provided by my carrier and became rather belligerent when I suggested he was mistaken. What an idjit. I disabused him of his notion and we're still delving into this. I asked him to please confer with one of his colleagues. Stay tuned. This is getting more interesting.
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Ok, but is the core code and feature set the same? Is the "tasting" referring only the map size? IOW, if I were to buy the full US map, does Taster+ENTIREUSMAP=TT6? Or would I be missing something?
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Well I didn't program it so I can't say if the core programing is the same but from what I've seen it's just the fact that you don't have all the maps.
Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version. but - no worries. I think that you will also find (as others have) that TOMTOM tech support and HTC support on this issue are as useful as a third navel (the first navel was useless...) If you can purchase the full maps and have them work with the TASTER version - not sure about that - but you are going to pay for the full version of the maps the same as if you purchased the full version of the software including the maps - I think anyway.
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How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.
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Taster tester...toMAYto toMAto - Quite sure that I am NOT wrong and that you will want to get the NAV6 full version... Personally - (I have not run any of Dutty's or other ROMs) the DEATH ROM rocks.
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Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
Now, on to ROM upgrades.
I read the thread on SPL and ROMs. My hair huts. First, permit me to clarify a base assumption that may be incorrect. Bear with me, because I'm thinking out loud here.
My understanding of the primary purpose of 'cooked' ROMs is that they're an opportunity to have redacted software set, meaning that a smaller ROM = smaller RAM footprint, leaving more space for storage and operating memory which should conceivably enhance performance. Another benefit is having patches or driver updates loaded on the unit that are better than the OEM version.
I guess the things that I could do without are these below, but I'd welcome discussion on the relative merits of each:
- Getting Started (A bit late for this now!)
- SMS Service (Wouldn't FlexMail do just as well?)
- Windows Live (Do you really need this?)
- Voice Speed Dial (MS Voice Command instead?)
- File Explorer & Zip (Both these are handled by Virtual Explorer)
- Windows Update (If it worked, would we be here?)
Because I have so much already invested in PPC software, I tend to think that I'm better off with a very minimalistic ROM version and install what I want. Or am I misunderstanding the concept in thinking that a smaller ROM will return greater storage/runspace for programs?
I guess what I'm getting at, is that if the above things that I'd remove don't consume any appreciable space, then can I not achieve better perfornamce with only an upgraded SPL?
Help a dumb ol' boy out, here.
<scratching head>
Thanks!
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How was your first Naval useless, didn't you get fed in your moms belly? I'm sure that was useful.
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Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill
BillTheCat said:
Bill (and everyone), I have an update on the TomTom issue and some followup questions.
After speaking with both TomTom and HTC, it seems I was right, "Taster"+USMAP=TT6. Yes, you get some utilities like PC based map loaders and managers on disc if you buy the shrinkwrap version, but they're also downloadable from TomTom directly. The program itself really is TT6, and I verified as much because I've seen and used TT6 on my HX4700 previously.
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So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill
whk said:
So - to see if I understand -
The full package costs MORE THAN the taster plus the full maps?
Bill
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Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
I'm sure you've seen it before with other software. Take the case of current PPC software - you get the trial version of 'x' backup program that limits you to 'y' meg of backup, but if you want the full version, just pay and get the registration code to unlock it. The code is the same, there's just a flag that limits it. In this case the limitation on function is simply the size of the map. With TomTom it's the MAP that's protected and requires an unlock code, not so much the program itself.
As I said, I've confirmed by installing the 'taster' version and using a sample map. Having used TomTom 6 on my HX4700 extensively I can tell you that there is nothing missing in this version here at all, except the size of the map. To obtain other maps, it looks like all one has to do is to (pay for and) download the map you need.
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Naw - the UMBILICAL CORD was useful - the navel is totally useless - a SECOND one would be more so and a THIRD navel - well - 'nuff said!
Bill
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dude that was the socket for the cord, if there was a second cord them maybe you would have gotten better food, etc etc.
This is a very worthless thread. lets argue about the taster, I already told you the dif about 6 posts ago.
Yes, because the 'taster' version is free, bundled with the phone. It's a common marketing strategy.
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It's a DEMO. Tom-Tom intends to sell you the working software if you like what you "taste" while using the demo. What is it that you don't understand regarding Tom-Tom, marketing strategies and how they apply to you?
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I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex
The phone is not slow at all. I just recently swithed back to Windows Mobile tonight, Symbian is great, but I'm not bias, both OS have the same software and apps, and technical similarities. I switched back to Windows to see what they have to offer for WM6. I swithed to Symbian when the first WM6 os we leaked, and kept moving up until I got the N95 8GB.
Windows firmware is more leniant in terms of modding however ;D
And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.
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I have had a 8125, 8525 and currently a 8925. I am disappointed with the camera of this phone, battery life and some other things. I was looking at changing phones and the one I am looking at is the N95. I have been using a T9 software dial pad to see if I can take the text input, I have no issue. I checked and all the apps I used are available for the symbian OS for the most part. My question is what did you guys not like about the phone to make you switch to the Kaiser. Was the phone slow etc? If this thread is waste of time for you please disregard.
Thanks in advance
-McMex
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Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.
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And a hardware keypasd is a must for me.
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1, welcome to xda-devs
2, use the ThinkOutside SA keyboard. It's working just great with my N95. And, the cumulative (!) weight of the two dvices are still under that of the Kaiser (not to mention it's a full keyboard, not a slow-to-operate thumbboard.)
Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex
I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.
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I will only consider buying a Nokia again when they decide to add a touchscreen. That's what made me sell mine. For me a phone without a touchscreen is like a computer without a mouse. It wasn't a N95 though, it was a S60 1st Edition phone.
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Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.
Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here
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Well, I have tons of Windows Mobile Pocket PC's, Smartphones and non-WinMo devices. In most cases (except in some games and tasks like remote desktop control, drawing on screen instead of using a keyboard for input etc.), I find the lack of touchscreen a minor problem on both my MS Smartphones and the N95 - it doesn't reduce my efficiency in most cases (for example, reading/ answering mail, Web browsing, watching video, listening to audio, playing games etc.). It even helps a lot because it lets for one-handed usage.
Of course, if one uses his/her phone for remote desktop control (and similar stuff), he/she should go for a phone with a touchscreen.
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For me everything is much easier with touchscreen. Browsing, home screen (my Nokia had only 2 home screen shortcuts, one for each soft key), using a full on-screen keyboard instead of the sometimes extremely annoying T9, etc. But that's just my opinion.
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Not to mention that the N95 misses out on the TyTn's high 'coolness' factor.
Next to that, i think developers in general are more interested in making software for a Windows Mobile device than a device running on Symbian.
If you really want a phone that can outmatch the TyTn in probably every way (except for the IMHO lame Symbian OS) you'll have to wait a few more weeks and buy a Nokia N82.
Sweet phone, check out it's stats here
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Is the N82 better than the N95? I thought N95 was still the best one, because it is 13 model numbers higher! (just kidding lol, but I did think a lower number meant a lower model).
One thing I'm really concerned on the Kaiser is the screen, that IMO is way too big for QVGA. Mine is 2.4" and I can already see the pixels. Kaiser could be a lot smaller if it also had a 2.4" screen.
And speaking of that, how about the colors? N95 has a 16m color screen, my phone has a 262k, but Kaiser is only 65k. Doesn't that make a big difference on movies and stuff?
Crappy video driver for Tytn II ...
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Currently (with the crappy video driver of the Kaiser - and also taken into account the camera "quality", the size, weight etc. into account), IMHO, the N95 is better than the Kaiser UNLESS you need a specific Windows Mobile app not available on Symbian OR you definitely need the touch screen (to, for example, make remote desktop control or something similar - that is, mouse / stylus-dependent - much easier).
You might also want to follow my articles - in my latest Bibles, I publish extensive comparisons between the two operating systems.
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Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....
adebilloez said:
Any news about HTC on this driver ? Hardware clearly indicate much more possible performance ... any chance to get our device and OS delivering their power ....
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Not much... see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351986
I wanted to thank all of you it did help me make my decision I should have my N95 here tomorrow. I dont think anyone here is going to care if I like it better than my Kaiser or not. I will keep my Kaiser just in case I do not. Again thank you guys for all the information and opinions.
-McMex
mcmexican said:
Thank you all for the feedback I am really let down by the Kaiser. I don't even use the hardware keyboard I have been using the cootek soft keyboard. Guess it makes my decision pretty easy then. I need to look into the ThinkOutside SA keyboard.
Thanks again
-McMex
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So, your last 3 PPC's have been slideouts - yet you don't use it? Why don't you just get an iphone? Just kidding...really.
I don't use it much as well but do if the the text is long enough it gets its moneys worth. I'm been let down somewhat but at the sametime
things like internal GPS keep me stable - and the ROM Cooking community as well does of good job of filling in areas I feel are lacking...like
performance. Although, AKU 0.4.4 and 1.27.14.09 isn't all that bad. Most every phone I have been through on any platform has disappointed me.
You might consider the Sony Ericsson P1a.
It's beautiful and they have certainly fixed the flaws the they introduced in the P990. No support for US 3G Bandwidths, though.
When I bought my Kaiser I figured I'd switch between it and my N95 depending on what I'm doing... the speakerphone on the N95 is better than the one in my business-class phone on my desk for example.
Anyways, my thoughts were I'd use the N95 when not working, or when I needed to be on con-calls all day, and use the Kaiser when I needed something more communication oriented (read email and whatever else would make the character recognition/qwerty keyboard an advantage).
Well, fast-forward to today - my N95 pretty much only leaves the house if I'm going to be using the camera on it. The T9 on it is the second best I've ever used, so typing on it isn't too bad, the multimedia features are second to none, and its a nice, light phone, unlike the brick that is the Kaiser.
I guess if you're going to do a side by side of the features as I see them, it would go something like this;
GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
Video: N95 hands down better since hardware acceleration in the Kaiser isn't being used appropriately at this time.
Audio: About equal.
Phone: N95 comes out ahead due to the superior speakerphone.
Apps: Both are equally useable from a smartphone point of view... Symbian has a huge community, WM has a huge community.
Camera: N95 hands down. Takes some of the best Macro shots I've seen.
Portability: N95 is smaller and much much lighter.
Build quality: There's some question about the slider mechanism in the N95 - some of them feel 'loose' but its easily fixed. I've never felt like I was going to break it. Kaiser feels more solid, but that's probably due to the extra weight.
Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.
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Audio: About equal.
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Let me disagree. Audio playback-wise, the N95 is way better, for several reasons:
- stereo (!!!), very loud and good speakers with built-in (supported by Music Player) stereo widening. There simply isn't anything comparable in HTC's repertoaire. The only stereo HTC models, the Universal and Wizard, are way worse, both maximal volume- and frequency response-wise (I've done several A-B tests for my forthcoming Multimedia Bible between these three devices to see which is the best for music playback. The N95 won hands donw in every respect.). That is, if you often listen to music thru the speakers, there simply isn't anything better than the N95.
- A2DP quality. Doesn't really need to be further explained Of course, the A2DP quality of the Tilt is passable, but in no way as good as that of non-Microsoft-based devices (Nokias; Samsung's dumb phones etc). That is, if you plan to listen to music via A2DP and you know you're an audiophile, go for the N95 (or anything non-Microsoft; or, if you go for a MS device, get one that you can "hack" the Widcomm BT stack to)
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Battery life: N95 battery sucks, hands down. New firmware is supposed to make a big difference though, and I haven't had a chance to update it yet.
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Yes, that indeed was a big problem with the old firmware. However, you MUST upgrade to the new one. You'll be pleasantly surprised. The N95 with the old firmware is pretty much useless if you compare it to the capabilities, battery life etc. of the new firmware. It's like the difference between Windows and MS-DOS. Or, Pocket PC 2000 and WM5. The entire device is MUCH, incomparably better.
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I can't comment on the transfer speeds the N95 is capable of as I have a first gen N95 and live in the US, so the 3G radio is incompatible, but I will say the browser in the N95 is very good.
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In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.
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GPS: Kaiser comes out ahead... getting a lock is easier/faster, plus you could always hook up an external antenna (not that I ever would).
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Did you open the dialpad to get a more reliable lock as is also recommended in the manual? Do you have firmware version v11 or v12? If the latter, did you enable assisted GPS? With the latter, particularly with v20, I get a lock in 10-20-30 seconds most of the time (depending on the weather conditions). Without it, it's indeed painfully slow.
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In the US, you get EDGE only - unless you get the N95-3 or the N95 8G-3, which is stated to reach the States soon. This means no for example video calls and (depending on your wireless operator, somewhat) reduced transfer speeds.
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Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex
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Yeah I bought the N95 -3 North American Version and it just got to my house. How do I know if I got the old firmware or the new firmware? I guess I should start looking for symbian forums.
Thanks you all again.
-McMex
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The N95-3 already has the a firmware - it's the N95-1 (the non-American version) that used to have a much worse one.
Hi All,
I currently own an HTC magician. I want a new phone with everything the magician has plus GPS, WIFI, more RAM, and a keyboard. The only phone I found that comes close is the Kaiser, but I've heard such bad things about the video driver problem.
Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?
Do I have any other options with those specs?
Thanks,
Daniel
I have a Kaiser and I am very happy with it, because I can do so much with it. However if a bit of lag annoys you greatly it may not be for you.
Surur
NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
wait for kaiser fix
If video is not heavily used, buy it now. I bought it recently and like it very mcuh. But higher performance is still demanded...
fredbred said:
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
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better device with 3g, wifi, and wm6? like what?
get the kaiser...it's no slower then any other wm6 device out there and although yes it would be nice if we could play more games, normal res video runs perfectly fine.
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NO. Wait some time whether the issue get resolved. Its not only the video - the whole phone is slow. You can not browse, rotating you screen. If i make a call with skype, the phone is really very slow and if i slide the keyboard and the screen orientation switches it can take up to minute to be updated - with nothing in background and free mem - only skype running. And until it switches you cant hang up, change the volume...nothing.
To be honest, i regret buying the Kaiser. And if i see how fast a cheap HiPhone can be, omg!
I wonder how HTC can have this on their webpage: More powerful than anything you've seen before, the HTC TyTN II takes communications to the next level.
You have to be blind a live 5years back, for the slogan to be true...
I bought it mainly because of the 3g and wifi and wm6... but there are better solutions then this for 520 euro...
Beware!
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This may all be true if you're still using the stock ROM. There are some really smokin' cooked ROMs out there that really speed things up and make the Kaiser a truly enjoyable device.
One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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One other thing, show me a PC that doesn't slow down once in awhile. That's what defrag is for.
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So you equate flashing a cooked ROM with clicking the "Defrag" button? One is a feature built into the operating system, the other can void your warranty and potentially brick your device. They're nowhere near the same thing.
I'm telling everybody I know to avoid HTC like the plague. Not so much directly because of the video issues, but because of their lack of accountability. They deliberately released a crippled device in hopes that nobody would notice, and are now working on some half-assed "fix" only because of the publicity that was generated by the XDA community.
Get one. I was in the same boat hesitating about the drivers. I am glad i made my decision. I upgraded from a 8525. Glad i did i have everything i need in one device. GPS Wifi, processing power. Im not sure what the full potential of this chip is supposed to be but its fast. I actually got mine refurbished from att about a month ago. After using it i ended up buying another one today for my wife and paying full price. Im not disatisfied. Definatly waht i would expect out of a 400 dollar phone.
Like most answers, it lives in the question.
"Because of Video Problems". Do you need or want to view videos not converted to 320x240 resolution? If you do need or want that that from your new expensive mobile device, then pass. ---- NO KAISER FOR YOU!
If you want a snappy interface and quick file browsing experience, then wait for the HTC "fixes". But still forget lag-free video at source resolutions above 320x240. ---------- > Get a Kaiser, and hope you can fix it.
Do you want fancy graphical VGA games or anything 3D? Forget the Kaiser.
Do you want a Windows Mobile 6 device that has real GPS, WiFi, 3G, Edge, 2 cameras (one for video calls, one for decent pics), querty keyboard, and bluetooth? And are able to put up with the device doing NONE of those things particularly well, then ----> Get a Kaiser.
I have a Kaiser. I live through its quirks. Its a fun device depending on your definition of "fun".
Do I regret paying $850+ for my device even knowing I was an early adopter? Yes. The device advertised was not the device delivered.
Would I discourage others from buying it at a $200 USD price point? No.
But then again, its up to you and what you expect from your device.
With Schap's ROM (4.31) and Coreplayer 1.2 i needn't a fix for "video pb"
I don't play 3D game.
Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
fredbred said:
Hey is this a HTC deHey is this a HTC dealer Thread?
The TyTN isn’t a finished device. There are much more bugs and “features” which should be avoid.
1 Video – its really slow. I don’t mind games, I even don’t watch video , because I have other devices for this, but if I wan to scroll the internet page, that’s not the speed I have never seen before! Why takes it so long to switch between portrait and landscape?
And the video from the camera I also pretty slow.
2 Speed – I have used a Fujitsu siemens n560. It was MUCH faster even if it was older and has 64mb ram.
3 The keyboard – this was one of the features why I have chosen tytn. But why they do not think if the do anything. Omg where is the ctrl key? How can you copy and paste? I have always to use the pen for it. No they put rather a key for opening the explorer, which I have used twice so far. And why have I to use the fn key to write a comma? And do you like the style of the keys? Its not even possible to write comfortably the last row of keys if you bent the display? And why are the functions of the keys doubled? Its for disabled people or maybe if you bite off some finger bored from waiting? I would expect that I can configure every key not to have three key for OK two for enter…
And maybe try to write any non-English letter – no we are in the world where no others languages exist.
I tell you, they are not selling what they are telling – What you have been told is not what you get.
What is good – the speed of gps starting, If you use quick gps.
Have a look how fast a under $200 device can be! Put Hiphone in youtube and you will know how fast the screen should react and switch.
Its not only about the damn driver, the parts of the phone are not finished. Not if the producer tells you: It’s the best you can get...
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which is why you should try a cooked rom. the internet scrolling thing u mention? its a bug in pie, there;s a fix for that......if you decide to stick to pie, cause lets face it, pie is a pile of **** anyways. try opera mini or mobile. oh and btw......i did get my tilt for under $200
as for the OPs question, there are tons of posts here about the performance of these devices (you might also want to look in the upgrading section to see the performance of cooked roms) and I'm not gonna dd anymore to it. At the end of the day, you are the one who has to make the decision, and you are the one who will be using this device, my advice to you is just choose wisely......i took the jump and got it even after hearing about the video issues, and i never regretted it.
Just get a Kaiser and wait till end of March when the drivers will be released.
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Do not listen to most of what the naysayers have to say here. I have an iMate K-Jam and now I have an HTC TyTN II. I have done many comparison tests between the two devices. The TyTN II wins HANDS DOWN!!!
Driver problems? What driver problems? I have yet to find any lag on any video except maybe a bit on the camcorder app, but that's not a big issue. I watch full feature movies on Coreplayer and I have used TCPMP and WM Player with wayyyyyyyy BETTER performance than on my K-Jam!!!
Don't even think about it, go right ahead and buy a TyTN II, you will not regret it. Problem is most people drag these devices through their backsides and then they complain about this and that. They replace roms, install and uninstall all sorts of crap and then they wonder why it's acting up!!!
I have had my TyTN II since the 15th January this year and I have not experienced any of the so-called problems mentioned by some in this forum. OK, the battery does get used up quicker, but then again it has so much packed in and you can get 3000 mAH batteries now!!!
This sub-forum (Kaiser) is more like the Cheese & Whine forum!!!
BUY IT!!!!
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If you buy this phone you'll be taking a risk. It may be a small risk depending on what you'll have to pay, but a risk nonetheless of not being satisfied. At least you will have made your choice in good conscience and aware of the situation. Truth is we shouldn't have to compare this device to much older ones and say it's better. It shouldn't warrant a comparison at all but since it does there is obviously a problem. There are those that will tell you their TyTN II is "SUPER ACCEPTABLE!" but that's hardly the point. I didn't buy this thing believing it would have acceptable performance. This device is supposed to kick ass and we believe it would if it used the complete architecture of the chip inside. I got mine for $700 and my plan here on out is to just grin and bear it. There isn't an alternative device available yet and HTC has us over the fence on this thing. The anticipated fix is not going to address our concern of enabling the second core of the chip we paid for. I can confirm for you my experiences with the TyTN II and keep in mind this is before I 'dragged it through my backside' by flashing the ROM. (By the way why in the world would it matter whether it's been flashed or how many times programs have been installed/uninstalled?)
- Video playback is fine if my source is 320 X 240. I have always re-encoded my video anyway in an effort to save space and optimize everything. For this reason I didn't know there was a video playback problem right away.
- The camera is almost unusable. I have turned on the on-screen fps display and in sunlight I get ~18fps, in ambient light make that ~4fps and if it's semi dark forget about it. This effects taking pictures and taking video. The video I shoot ends up looking like a blurry mess and any picture I take better be of a stationary subject or else I will usually miss the shot. Interestingly enough the device takes great photos though.
- Screen rotation is a sore subject. I want the thing to be fluid but instead I have to watch it redraw slowly and in seperate pieces.
- Scrolling - it isn't certain that scrolling problem is a result of the missing drivers. I have to say that scrolling isn't very good but there is a fix on this forum to make it more reasonable.
- GPS works great, I've never had an issue with it although it kills the battery fast. Especially fast when using Google maps or live search because then you have the active GPRS data session combined with the gps.
- Battery life - I have a 1600mAH bat and I have to charge it every day but then again I auto download podcasts and such so I am partially to blame. As I understand it the drivers would increase battery life.
That's about it from me. Sorry this post is so long, let me wrap it up. I don't think anyone can tell you to buy or not to buy. You'll just have to make a decision yourself. At least it will be an informed decision, unlike mine.
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
even with no video drivers, it's still the best branded phone in the US. theres nothing better. (yet)
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"Video is not the biggest issue for me, but should I not buy the phone and support HTC who refuses to cooperate?"
With all due respect to all you guys complaining about video drivers.. STFU! already.
No one complained until one geeky ass dude bought it up. I have no problems playing my movies on my device or streaming it via orb.com. I get no lag and for god sakes it's a mobile phone not a computer. It surpasses most devices to date. I have no complaint about this phone. This is like my 40th something phone that I've had being that I work for AT&T and they provide me with devices. When the update comes people will still be *****ing about the video drivers. What exactly are you guys trying to watch? Live video feeds from Mars!?
Seriously get the phone you will not be disappointed. For the record my device does not lag when I slide the screen, etc. I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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AMEN TO THAT BROTHER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with you!!!
I think that people expect to dial to Pluto with live feeds from the nethergalaxy and back!!!
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...I work for AT&T...
I've installed Schaps 4.31 best looking ROM to date. Haven't found another ROM that made me want to change.
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Awesome! So it is the official AT&T position that we should all install cooked ROMs on our Tilts? Is that what you tell your customers? And it won't void the warranty? That's fantastic news.
Can you please post your store number and employee ID number so your statement can be confirmed with AT&T corporate? Thanks!
Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/
Great review
Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.
yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.
I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?
lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471
Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2
posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
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@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory
No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.
yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]
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havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.
Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.
Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.
well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.
Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...
I have been reading in this forum ,and many other sites about the Diamond and one would think that this is the worst device ever created.I have one and have been using it for about a week ,I got it as a replacement to the Kaiser and I think that it is a worthy replacement.It can do everything the Kaiser did ,I got used to the keyboard.No device is perfect but I think that all the minor problems are being overblown.
i am using 3dTF without any tweaking and it is working well.
My only comment would be maybe that the battery life is not so great.
I think the Touch Diamond is better than any other device currently available, and it will be for the forseeable future. I suppose people just have different opinions. However, if they don't like the way HTC is going, it makes you wonder why they're using these forums...
But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
But fair enough if you can deal with it, as you say, it's a personal thing.
Rory
I think the niggling problems will be fixed in rom updates anyway.. especially once its released on loads of operators, i think we'll see alot of rom versions around.
Its actually the first phone i can see myself keeping for more than a year.
rorydaredkign said:
But for the £450/$900 you've probably paid out, wouldn't you expect no problems? Or maybe not no problems, but the battery is pretty poor from what I hear, and thats a pretty major concern to me.
Rory
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The thing is that all of the problems that people talk about are problems that I've never lived without or that I can easily cope with. Poor battery? I've always charged overnight anyway. Laggy interface? TouchFLO was laggy too. Random things happening? I'd bet that my Sendo M550 did more random things more often.
Don't forget that, until a year ago, I was still using my Sendo M550 on a daily basis.
Must say that after 2 days of owning my diamond I am hugely impressed - it does everything I want and more - sure, if you are a heavy user and you are going to be away from an electricity supply for more than 12 hours you will have a problem, beyond that I don't see any issues!
I am absolutely ecstatic with my Diamond. I've had it for a couple weeks now and it is by far the best phone I've ever had. Honestly, I think some people just like to *****. A lot of the real complainers have never even used one, and for those that have - I don't know what the hell they've BEEN using that they expect such perfection out of the Diamond.
I think also that a lot of people just don't even understand the concept of mass appeal. If the phone doesn't work exactly the way THEY want it to work then the phone must SUCK.
It's particularly interesting to me because I see the same attitudes in the anti-PC/pro-MAC crowd. I think a lot of people just don't understand the value in a flexible, customizable device. The things that I love about WinMo are the very things others complain about. I like that I can tweak the registry to adjust the touch sensitivity to my preference. Or the flow of animations, etc.
Others expect it to work precisely the way that is best for them out of the gate and don't want to have to tweak it, but they don't seem to consider the reality of the fact that they aren't the only person in the world, and manufacturers have to design products that work for the greates number of users out there...
you can also can read this (sorry for self promoting) but is good to read something good about diamond:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2315506#post2315506
How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...
czbird - you are clearly unhappy with your purchase - why don't you return it/ sell it and look for something that will be more suitable for your needs?
czbird said:
How can I be positive about the device which sucks my battery within 8 hours (as if the GPS was still on) or where I cannot simply remap stupid Home button to Start Menu which I am deeply used to without any weird 3rd party tools like AE Button Plus etc etc... so far this is my first and last htc unless the major issues are fixed. TF3D? Removed, not impressed... I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
Edit - also forgot about the cathastrophical speaker quality (not the one used in a call, the "loud" one) - my grandma's phone rings better...
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The power in phones like this are precisely that you CAN do what you want via 3rd party tools. If you want everything to work the way that is best for you (and who really cares about the rest of the buyers, right?), just start your own phone company.
OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.
czbird said:
OK, taken into extreme - how'd you like to have to install some crappy freeware to scroll through your contacts? Some features are simply supposed to be built-in
This ain't my first PDA, no need for teaching.
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Well... I recall going through quite a few freeware apps, and even some trial versions of purchase software, to scroll through my contacts in the way I wanted to scroll through them (i.e. with my finger w/ kinetic scrolling instead of the tap tap tap of my stylus). It's not like your Home button doesn't work - it doesn't work the way YOU want it to. And that's what 3rd party apps are for.
Still misunderstood - I was used to assign special functions to the buttons only by tweaking the scan code settings in the registry, now the problem with the Diamond is, that it ignores whatever I try to set up the key to, as there are some htc handlers which deal with these keys. Now these have to be overriden by another keyboard handlers which will finally give me the possibility to change the key behavior. This way is quite complicated, annoying to set up, and the extra software also unnecessarily eats device resources...
czbird said:
I got this for work and not for fancy show-outs in a pub :/
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The Touch Pro is the business-equivalent of the Diamond. You've got the PPC world's equivalent of a Ferrari, and you're trying to use it like a tractor. The Diamond was designed with the pub in mind...
Well put Dark Fire.
Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
Rory
hate all this futile winning! if you bought it and u are not happy with it send it back! stop complaining! yes, it's not perfect but i don't dare to think how would you react after buying an iPhone.
i don't get it. ppl come here to ask (sometimes stupid) questions BEFORE they buy a diamond. i can't stand that they came back after buying it and keep complaining.
look at all the ppl here that are learning one from each other, look and read about the already new ROM and all the tweaks. try some. take yr balls in you hand, accept the risk of bricking it and flash it!! than come back and tell us how you made it or why you didn't. be useful! nobody is interested in yr complains.
i begin to think that three are only 2 ways with diamond: love it or hate it!
rorydaredkign said:
Surely its primary use is as a business phone, if you want a phone to pull out in the pub, you get one everyone knows is amazing like the N96 (when released), or stupidly the iPhone.
Nobody knows what the Diamond is, unless you know about PPC's.
Rory
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More of the people that I know, know about the Touch Diamond than the N96 (probably my fault). TBH, the only reason I know about the N96 is because one of my friends has the N95. And as I've said before, most people I know think that people with an iPhone are retards.
The HTC Touch Diamond is perfectly designed for the pub - it's amazing, and rare, so you can show it off to satisfy people's curiosity instead of just showing it off to look cool (which makes you look sad). Also, as the Touch Diamond is not well known, it's less likely to be stolen (wouldn't you rather go for an iPhone than a random phone you've never heard of, with unknown specs?). Also, the Touch Diamond has a distinctive design, so your mates at the pub will be more likely remember the device and associate you with it.
Also, as it has been shown before, business people generally like keyboards and the general public generally hate keyboards. Therefore the Touch Diamond is not a business device. Business people also prefer complex UIs, which can show all of their calendar events (or fulfil any other random but important business requirements) - simplified stylish UIs are just not normally suitable for business...but they can still be appreciated after several pints of Magners.
Normal users dont use the calendar on their phone. They dont use the web browser, then done have tasks, all they use it for is calls, texts and entertainment.
And, saying its been proved that normal users don't like keyboards is total crap, we have however proved that almost every phone ever released has a keyboard of some type, so theyre used to it.
Plus, I bet the Diamond as its network branded variants will be in the Business type section of all the stores and brochures, much like the Touch, Dual and Cruise were.
After Touch (Elf) I bought an Iphone 2G, sold the Iphone in favor of the Nokia E71 (better GPS software for my neck of the woods!)
Dusted of my old Elf, downloaded a rom from this forum, to see where this TouchFlo was all about....
Hmmmm, not bad. Used my Nokia as a bluetooth GPS module for the Elf, and found some software...
Oh. Thats nice. Lets see whats new from HTC?
So I fell in love with the new Touch Pro2 through youtube, but it was not available yet. Oh Boy.
Can I wait a few more months?
No.
Hmmm, TouchHD in the mean time?
Ok.
Already when the HD was on its way to my house I read this forum, to see what was going on.
Lots of nice things, abut I resisted HardSPL'ing my HD for 5 days, while wading through the often chaotic posts and new releases while playing with colored icons.
But then, I couldn't resist. First tried a radio, you have to start simple. 1.25 is not ok. No GPS Bars. 1.10 Works. Don't really see a difference.
Yesterday I tried most popular roms. All of them have their greatness, but also sad bugs making the HD a strange thing at times. Not to mention the often very personal customisations made....
Enough. No more. All I want is some extra speed. My stock rom is actually fine. I don't need rotating screens. or 90% 95% or claimed 100% Topazes or Rhodiums, where Thumbcal doesn't work.
Who wants a Topium calendar where the finger is too thick after two beatuiful screens?
Standard Manila is fine, if ThumbCal is included.
I extracted my own rom, and had the nice cfc_gui.exe make my Manila work with compressed graphics, and cooked it.
"Borrowed" the Ramdisk from another rom, and made it work. System and Opera are Very Volatile now
Had SKtools set the HD to performance.
I have a bit of extra speed, I think...
Thanks Guys, you know who you are.
Back to work, and waiting for the Pro2. (and the announced 1000mhz Qualcom, but thats for next year. I hope.)
No more flashing, for now.
ahahah, i doubt it...
This sh#$t is really addicted.
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hell of a rant................
huh?
i just read that twice...without sounding rude or anythng, what was the purpose in writing that?
it was no purpose, i think. Its like report called "my life with HD".
But no more flashing....man...i doubt it
Friday celebrations have started early in this wonderfully useful thread!
Agree.
Only one thing I would like to ask: how did you manage to "borrow" the RAM disk?
Can you lend me one?
I can understand. I use to have a Polaris and really found advantage in flashing it : new interface, faster response times and especially : no regressions
Currently, I don't feel the same with Blackstone Roms. So, mine will waiting to be deflowered.
Dmitry N said:
Agree.
Only one thing I would like to ask: how did you manage to "borrow" the RAM disk?
Can you lend me one?
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no sorry.
I still use it.
But you can have one from onkolog. He has plenty, first flash his rom. He doesn't give the dll if you ask him.
Then replace the dll found in this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382944
with onkologs dll, and you have a ramdisk. 16mb doesn't get noticed by the HD.
Flashjunkies. A phone should work.
Hmm, Iphone 3G? In most cases one button press (or slide) less to reach what I want..
Or can I disable my all my bzzz buttons, I press them too much by accident, scaring the **** out of me...
Gede said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382944
He doesn't give the dll if you ask him.
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What do you mean?)))
I use RamDisk from your link)))
Its different (in size). I downloaded the dll from that post, and it didn't work, ??
Gede said:
Its different (in size). I downloaded the dll from that post, and it didn't work, ??
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It works if you have correct hands))))
I use same