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Questions about Kaiser battery life

I've been researching this phone and I really like it so far, but I have a question about the battery.
I've read about the battery lasting something like 9 hours or so.. now my question is that 9 hours while constantly in use?
For example if I leave my house at 3:00 PM with a full charge hang out with my friends, end up at a bar at night, and I maybe talk for 20 minutes, send 5 txt messages and barely mess with the phone, will the phone dying around Midnight?

With that type of light usage it can last a day or even two deopending on how you config. & the radio you use.
The +or- 6-8 hours is with wifi, BT, 3g data usage, gps, etc...

I make it about half the day(5-6 hours), but I've got AgileMobile running all day using 3G connection so I'm assuming I'm running normally. This is greatly improved by switching off 3G(adds another 2-3 hours). I put maybe 15-30 minutes of calls on my phone a day, it's mostly a mobile web browser and instant messenger.
To get through a full day for me I charge the phone in my jeep while driving to / from work, and most days I eat lunch out so I charge it then as well.

Thanks for the replies. I will probably have all data connections turned off, and won't run GPS on days like that.
I really dig this phone, I just got a little worried about the chance that I won't go home after some heavy drinking and won't have a phone to use in the morning...
Also, I just read on a website review from Laptopmag.com that said "We left a fully charged Tilt on over a long weekend, and when we returned, the unit still had three out of four bars of battery life"... What do you think?

Well I think if you upgrade to wm6.1, you should gt alot better battery life.
I was sick (in bed most of the day) yesterday so I took my phone off charge at about 7am in the morning.
I sent some messages, surfed the internet with hsdpa for about 3 hours (and this is in a bad signal area, which means more battery consumption)
then did some wifi (20mins)
and a bluetooth recieve or two.
I just checked the battery level this morning (8am) and I still had 57% left. I was abit surprised because I thought it will have drained by now like it did with wm6. The point is wm6.1 has a lot better battery life. So for maxumum battery life you should upgrade.
Just my 2 cents

Battery life...
Hi I have had the kaiser for not long really... there's a neat program that tells you what is the drain, of the battery...
well if you are not touching it and not doing anything it drains about 6-10ma, so based on that yes, it can last for a looooooooong time, now when you call it goes to 200-400ma, so yes it drains more battery there. ( as you would think it would )
then again you can have the backlight to low, to use less battery, also, turn the screen off when not using it, and change the radio an a lot of hacks.
based on my experience using EDGE, the GPS, the screen, playing a game, sending some mms, and talking, it can really kill your battery in no time.
but you can also well get a car charger ( be carefull with those ) or a better battery, because to be realistic the one that comes default really sucks...
I have seen people talking about a 3000mah battery so that could really drive the phone for a loooooooong time, better think about other issues, like how sucky the camera is... ( maybe with the video drivers we are wating for this will get fixed ), also well, sometimes the performance is not that good, ( also video drivers I think ), besides that, and if you don't mind like I do, to have to wait for a few seconds to get things going on, the phone is a real jewel, if you live life in the fast lane, well maybe that second to open the keyboard will kill you
TC !

chuby007 said:
or a better battery, because to be realistic the one that comes default really sucks...
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which one do u recommend? also where can u find this battery?
thanks

^^
Seidio 1650 battery and the Mugen 1500 batteries seem to be good oem size batteries from I have read. THere is a thread on the Kaiser Accessories board about batteries.......

I had a similar experience with excessive current consumption in standby, likely caused by the GPS though it is off (see Post "TyTN II / Kaiser issue: GPS & battery drain").
Perhaps you should install "BatteryStatus". Make yourself familiar with the battery current display, and try to figure out how much power your device draws.
Another nice test is, switch all units off (phone, WLAN, Bluetooth, GPS, really everything). Make sure no program is running (TaskManager). Leave the fully charged phone alone for 5 hours or so. Recheck the battery capacity whether it dropped more than very few percent. If you do not need GPS frequently, you may simply try a soft reset. If you have interesting results, please be so kind and add them to the abovementioned thread, too.
BusterTyTN

MDA Compact IV Battery issue

got MDA Compact IV battery don't even last for whole day,
does any one know if its ROM issue,
using same feature as MDA Ameo, Ameo last me more then a day.
any one else having same issue.

Same issue here
If I dont make any calls at all, follow the various tweaks to turn wifi & network data connections (ie turn them on when needed and turn them off automatically 30s later). I manage to get a day and a half! If I start using it properly, I can use it all up in 8-10 hours!

It is only a 900mah battery, but given that the extended batery is only 1340mah it's not THAT much of a difference, maybe a day and a half to 2 days. My Trinity could run for 4-5 days without a charge on low usage.
Still, the phone is sooo nice

Has anyone tried the unofficial extended batteries that are 1800mah?

Yes it is such a nice phone!
My old MDA Compact3 used to last for 3-4 days with little usage and that had a 1200mA battery.
I think its the faster processor and the 3G that slurps up the juice. I read somewhere that if you turn off 3G and use 2G totally, the battery life is OK.
3G phones have always been power hungry. I remember the old 3 phones which would not last 12 hours!
There are a lot of clever people on this Forum, I'm hoping that someone will come up with a solution soon (Maybe slow the processor right down when its in standby)

Well, had the MDA Compact IV for a few days now and I am seriously thinking about sending it back, there seems to be so many quirks.
1) Battery life is a joke!
2) Touch-Flo overrides all other settings and isn't very customisable
eg clock doesn't display in title bar even though it is set to.
3) Email can't be deleted from the Touch-flo interface you have to go to the Inbox to do it
4) Screen switches off as soon as the phone connects, which is a real pain when you have to 'click 2 for tech support'
5) Why isn't there a button to access the camera quickly?
6) The power button on th III was in a much more logical place, on this is is in the 'phone' position, which is fine if you never need it but on this it is needed all the time!
7) Weather doesn't update automatically
I have now given up with Touch-Flo and am using it as I did the III, with SPB Shell and PhoneWeaver, phoned T-mobile and they said it was problem with my handset they are replacing it tomorrow! New game is great though and I really like the phone, most things I can manage with except the battery and the screen switching off.

1. True
2. What? It is customisable to an extent, look at programs like Diamond TF3D Config and the themes available. The clock displays in the title bar for me in all apps. If you want more customisation then use the today screen and turn off TF3D
3. Then turn off TF3D if you dont like it.
4. Use one of the tweaking apps to disable that
5. You can set it open by holidng the call button with one of the tweaking apps
6. It's in the same place it is on all Nokia phones, out of the way so you dont turn it on when you pull it out your pocket from its sides
7. Yes it does, you can change that setting in the TF3D settings, the bottom setting

Antimus said:
Has anyone tried the unofficial extended batteries that are 1800mah?
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Mine was "despatched" yesterday so should be at home today when i finish work ... will let you know what its like.
Above all, im looking forward to the flat back replacement, im fed up with the phone being on a desk and rocking when im taping away a text message

i have disable TF3d abd use as normal pda battery last longer like 1 and half day.
but its no point its same as normal pda then. might be get better battery or i have keep sapre battery.

My Battery has improved...
I too reported the battery was poor.... initially.
But it seems to have improved with every charge!
I have cut down all the comms and forced 2G. Gone down to the lowest screen brightness + 1 notch.
The battery went from 10 bars (full) down to 9 bars over 24 hours with minimal use.
I let the battery fully deplete, then gave it a 12 hour charge overnight. The MDA C4 was unplugged at 08:00 yesterday morning and today at 12:45 I still have 9 bars! I am quite please with it now.
I guess I'll have to force it to 2G and move onto 3G if I am surfing for extended periods of time.
Hope that helps.

i user my pda with laptop to surf internet @ work
i use to use Ameo after surfing from 9:00 till 16:00 i still got 30-40% left on my Ameo
with MDA C4 with out TF3D used it for 30. battery drop from 99 to 84%.
if i use TF3d battery drain like mad.

Having a few issues myself, stock T-mobile UK ROM, TF3D running. Reading through somebody mentions an issue with the version of Google maps that is pre-installed, basically doesn't shut down the GPS fully even after closing the program. I uninstalled it, and installed the latest version from Google, version 2.1.0.10. Not sure about anybody else, but my battery life has improved hugely today, with the same usage as yesterday. Used Opera, several emails, several calls, Google maps, and general fiddling and battery is still around 80% (took it off charge 11.00 last night). Don't know if its a solution for everybody, but has REALLY worked for me......

4&5) What one do you recomend?
6) But with Nokias you never use it, the phone wakes up when you press any button
7) Yes, but how often?

This is my 2nd day without recharging and still 40% left. I haven't made any calls but the phone was on and I used wifi a couple of times. Looked upon the album in tf3d a couple of times and some other things. So I think I cannot complain on battery capacity

MDA compact 4 Battery life
Hi
I left the phone for 4 days unused and the battery suvived,
but unfortunatly after changing the original rom and after inserting the sim card the phone now does not stand by more than one day
i tried the minimum use just phone on standby but still less than a day.
any idea about best rom on t-mobile for battery life. or at least the original rom to try
thanks

I just installed AZTOR's x2 ROM, maybe it will prolongue the battery life. The original ROM last just a day, max 1,5 days. I hope it will improve now...

Problem: very weak battery, even for the diamond!

Hello guys!
It's nearlly my first posting here, but i'm reading this forum for quite a while now.
I finally got an Xda diamond and everything was ok the first couple of days, even the battery was satisfying. When i use it really much, the battery lasts for about a day, that's ok. But 2 days ago, suddenly the battery got empty from 100% down to 0% in 7 hours, although i did not use the phone much. I had a call for about an hour and that's it.
Knowing there are some possibilities to save energy, i followed some advice from this forum:
- took down the display light to stage 2
- switched off UMTS
- switched off GPS
- installed powermanagement.cab
- switched off RSS Hub auto-download
- made sure there are no applications running in the background all day
- made sure there are no data-connections like Bluetooth or GPRS running all day
I also installed PowerGuard v1.2 which told me, my Diamond drains about 65 mA, what seems to be a proper value, comparing to other peoples around here.
This morning i took the Diamond off the charging cable at 8:00 and it switched off at 16:00. I only used it for a 1 hour phone call again, thats all. I did not do anything else with it.
I don't unterstand, why it lasted much longer the first couple of days. Anybody have an idea?
Thx so far!

1. Check with Task Manager Cpu proccess
2. Hard Restet ?

I have the same problem AND additionally sudden softresets.
The battery is defect. I will buy a new one and o2 will refund the money.

wedge210483 said:
... But 2 days ago, suddenly the battery got empty from 100% down to 0% in 7 hours, although i did not use the phone much. I had a call for about an hour and that's it.
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The battery is not supposed to get empty to anywhere near 0%, it can be damaged if it does. The phone is supposed to turn off to prevent that happening.
If killing tasks does not help, maybe you just got a bad battery? Edit: ^^^ What he said!
Here's a useful link for information on Li-ion batteries: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

Hi!
I recently found the solution. My sim-card was too old! I had been using it for about 4 years. A couple of days ago, I ordered a new one from my provider (O2 Germany) for free. Since I changed the sim-card, I never had any problems with the battery anymore.
Why didn't I find this advice anywhere?
Cheers

Your SIM card was "too old"? My technical prowess is nothing to brag about, but even I can tell you that that could hardly have been the cause.

Older Sims seem to drain more battery power...

I have to agree with H3x ... I don't see how a SIM card would have any effect on battery life.
As a point of reference, I'm very satisfied with my battery life. I charge it for an hour or two a couple times a week. I am diligent about turning off WiFi, Bluetooth, and running apps when not in use, but other than that I don't do anything special.

With GSM band manually selected in phone options and moderate use, my diamond can last over 2 days, with "auto" band selection it barely lasts a day...it just drains stock battery so much, even in standby...but I still can't be happier with my device, no matter what
Decided to watch battery more carefully over PowerGuard, some things started to make more sense...

Htc86 said:
With GSM band manually selected in phone options and moderate use, my diamond can last over 2 days
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Yeah, I have that selected too, so I'm sure that helps. Maybe the OP should try it?

Battery Life

Hi Guys
I work in the IT dept of my company and ive got the job of supporting all our WM devices. (97% of them are the HTC Tytn II/Kaiser)
i get moaned at alot about this things and the main thing is the battery life is p*ss poor! All they run is active sync to pull in emails as they arrive and then the usual phone call, but yet the battery still wont last a day.
Does anyone know of any tricks or tweaks i can do on the devices to make them squeeze out every last drop of battery life?
cheers

Yeah, if you can get Advanced Config installed on their phones, fire it up, go to the right soft-key "Menu" option, and in there should be a Comm Manager selection. Pick it, and in the panel that comes up check on teh 3G button. Then, close out of Advanced Config and let it reset the phone. When the phone comes back up, go into the Comm Manager and there will be a new button to turn 3G on and off. Turn it off. If all they're doing is phone calls and pulling down emails, the Edge connection should be more than sufficient. I've also noticed improved battery life by leaving bluetooth turned on all the time (I now it's counterintuitive and could be a placebo effect, but I swear it makes a difference for me.) I can get well over 2 days on Edge connection with the stock battery using these 2 tricks.

splash08 said:
Hi Guys
I work in the IT dept of my company and ive got the job of supporting all our WM devices. (97% of them are the HTC Tytn II/Kaiser)
i get moaned at alot about this things and the main thing is the battery life is p*ss poor! All they run is active sync to pull in emails as they arrive and then the usual phone call, but yet the battery still wont last a day.
Does anyone know of any tricks or tweaks i can do on the devices to make them squeeze out every last drop of battery life?
cheers
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If they don't have them already, you may want to have car chargers installed in the company cars of those with TyTN IIs. As for settings yes disabling HSDPA or even better going back to just plain GSM rather than 3G will help battery life (although also slow down any internet connectivity). You could also try turning down the screen brightness as this has a major effect on battery life but then they'll probably all complain the device has p*ss poor screen visibility (especially in bright sunshine - so if you're in the UK this won't be an issue )
If these suggestions don't work then I think the best plan will be to make it as easy as possible for them to top up charge during the day, perhaps with desktop cradles as well if this would encourage charging. I sometimes need more than one battery charge in more than a day (I've even used up all of my spare battery charge as well on a day involving lots of GPS navigation on foot) so yes these things do normally use lots of battery power if you have all the bells and whistles running and no charging occuring. Make sure wifi is left off on the TyTN IIs unless it's actively being used at the time.
Which ROMs are they using - all HTC official? There are reported differences in battery consumption depending on the ROM version used.

cheers for that guys
I will give both of your suggestions ago, next time i get one of the tytns in front of me.
I have the advanced config for the HTC diamond would that work on the tytn? if not where would i get that from?

Is it just me or are we being left with the sour taste of "Why should we have to compromise on the performance of the device to get 2 days battery life out of it?"

Unfortunately " push " email kills an already suspect battery. Activesync and your media net ?, edge? or 3G remains connected all the time . I had to go from " when they arrive" to " check every 30 minutes " for email or else my battery , even with minimal use would not last past 5pm.
I really miss my Blakberry in this respect. My Tilt does everything and everything for me, and does so on battery power. I guess if it just made phone calls the battery would last for days.

i agree denco, all the HTC WM devices ive ever had, they've had a load of functions but the battery is all very weak! whether or not that is something to do with HTC or WM i dont know, but its very annoying and just something we have to live with as my company signed a 2 year contract with Orange in March so there is nothing we can do!

Well, I doubt that it is Windows Mobile; ok, to be correct: WM has gotten more powerful with each new version, got even more and more graphical additions, just like Vista compared to XP. For sure this needs much more horse power and, in fact, processor and RAM are increasing. However, HTC barely increases battery capacy as well - might it be because of size / weight proportion or other reasons - I don't know!
I had the MWg Zinc II for a while and the battery life (1500mAh capacy) was amazing. However, audio / network reception quality was a joke on that thing.
Thankfully, there are HIGH CAPACY and EXTENDED BATTERIES available for the HTC's. They make your device look funny but surely increase your battery life as well.
I am (still) willing to sacrifice battery life for quality; arranging my life by having a car charger and also a 2nd battery with me when on the go. Hopefully HTC's batteries will evolve and have higher capacy in future devices.

Kaiser battery life
I am not an expert at this. I also was unable to keep a battery operational for half a day until I did a hard reset, and brought it back to stock ATT 6.1. Then used the phone without email for a day and noted no excessive battery drain. (70% at end of the day) Kaiser tweak added, with the “Disconnect after” parameter in the Data (GPRS/EDGE/HSDPA/WIFI) set to 1 min. Added the MS Push to my Exchange server, and only use the single email account. No appreciable battery drain. (68% at end of day)
The only thing I have NOT enabled yet is the ATT Navigator. Will add Google Maps and see if it messes with GPS chip. I have read and experienced the GPS draining my battery, even after turning it off, within a couple of hours.

splash08 said:
cheers for that guys
I will give both of your suggestions ago, next time i get one of the tytns in front of me.
I have the advanced config for the HTC diamond would that work on the tytn? if not where would i get that from?
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In the advanced config, there are also settings for "Power management", make sure there is enabled in all of them.

Starfury said:
Is it just me or are we being left with the sour taste of "Why should we have to compromise on the performance of the device to get 2 days battery life out of it?"
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Nah, considering the EEEpc I have gets about 2 hours battery max, and I can do a stack load more on the TyTnII than on the laptop, I', pretty happy. I had aan old Nokia that would go for 2 weeks without charging, but for a high end, gps enabled windows phone, 2 days is amazing.
@ splash08 : you can also try upgrading to the new 1.70 radio found in the kaiser rom thread, seems to give me less drain. Also, you can buy larger capacity 3rd party batteries.. maybe thats the best soultion.

GPS (Telenav) causing my battery drain
Since my last post on the 27th, I have had ZERO problems until I used the Telenav on Friday evening the 5th. Since then can only get about 4 hours out of the battery before it drains completly and that is with ZERO use. I have uninstalled Telenav and done multiple power down, but stilll draining. Looking for a way to turn off the GPS before I do a hard reset.
GPS had no issues with google maps and no battery problems.

ive now tried all those suggestions but non have really made a dramatic increase. I thought i cracked it at one point, over a weekend my phone last from saturday all the way though to monday night! but then i realised that saturday and sunday is off peak so the push/pull function was set to every 60mins! As soon as i got back to work during the week the device would last just over one day, on emails only.
i think i may have to look into getting the extended batteries or maybe changing all the devices for a none HTC device, as they seem to have a weak batteries (but i think this may be the last resort at it will cost a lot ot change all the devices)

Battery Life hacks? Which one?

Hi,
I came across this cab file today for the Kaiser http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2132767&postcount=151
its right said:
ok guys, some of you want to increase the battery life, i attached a cab file which contains these registries:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\Irsir1\Parms]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\AsyncMac1\Parms]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\PPTP1\Parms]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\L2TP1\Parms]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:0
all of these can improve the battery life, but if you face any issues with WiFi, just check these registries .
enjoy.
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Has this been used in preference to, or in conjuction with the cab found here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1351827&postcount=6
Power Saving.cab
sd-battery-save.cab
I have spent about an hour trolling through all sorts of posts and would like any feedback on what is recommended.
Thanks in advance.

anyone have any comments? surely im not the only one trying to get a full day out of the stock battery.

This is the best hack out there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/AT-T-TILT-8925-...s?hash=item1c05a465c2&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

if I not wrong, sp call battery hack ..it not really hack to battery, It only reduce the phone keep searching the network (which consume a lot battery ...according to some forum).
I think this one better ..2800mah ...
http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2...00-110-120-O2-XDA-Stellar-2800mAh-Battery.htm

My phone will last about 3 days by measurement if I'm not running Flexmail with two mailboxes online. Otherwise, 14 hours.
Want a full day out of your Tilt? Limit network activities, or interactive activities, and don't use the GPS. Network, backlight, and GPS are probably the biggest power users on the Tilt. I assume WiFi too, but the only thing I've used WiFi on my Tilt is for scanning for open access points.

Sorry bumping thread couple of months old....
I've got a Kaiser HTC TyTN II and my battery is a shame.... i can't get it until the end of the day, always getting empty at the end of the day....
What can i do to improve the battery life time?
I've installed those cabs, but nothing really happens....
My phone idle during the night takes like 20-25% of the total battery.
I just use my phone to make and receive calls (lot of them), and sometimes the bluetooth when staying at the car.
Some time ago i ordered a 2800mah battery, but i really don't want to carry always a replacement battery with me, besides its really heavy and big....
Thank you for you advices.

xpgo said:
Sorry bumping thread couple of months old....
I've got a Kaiser HTC TyTN II and my battery is a shame.... i can't get it until the end of the day, always getting empty at the end of the day....
What can i do to improve the battery life time?
I've installed those cabs, but nothing really happens....
My phone idle during the night takes like 20-25% of the total battery.
I just use my phone to make and receive calls (lot of them), and sometimes the bluetooth when staying at the car.
Some time ago i ordered a 2800mah battery, but i really don't want to carry always a replacement battery with me, besides its really heavy and big....
Thank you for you advices.
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There's an old saying begars can't be choosers... Kinda makes sense you want better battery life yet you want to stick to stock battery.
Ummmm? Buy a OEM new stock battery if the size of 2800 is too much? To be honest the Tilt is a brick anyway so i'm happy to have aprx 1cm added to the base... Also maybe time to try all the Radio's available to see if you can get better battery life, while @ it hard-reset device to start from fresh