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T-Mobile Vario III. First Impressions

So my Vario III finally arrived today and I've had chance to give it a nice charge and get it setup how I like. Hence, I thought I'd drop a few impressions for those of you waiting for yours to arrive...
The look: It doesn't have the black frontage of the HTC model, but it does have a very nice brushed metal thing going on. The T-Mobile branding is kept low-key with their logo and a simple "MDA" at the bottom of the screen. The Internet button has the Web n' Walk logo. There is nothing at all on the back of the device. I'll try and get a picture of it for you, but I think the only cameras around here are on phones, so it won't be great.
The software: I panicked a bit when I'd done the initial screen calibration and the T-Mobile customisation kicked in... I let it do its thing though, and I'm pleasantly surprised! There's no obvious branding shown anywhere in any of the programs, apart from the Web n' Walk icon and, of course, the homepage of PIE defaults the T-Mobile portal.
The Touch style front end is in full effect works as you'd expect.
There's an installation of F-Secure Anti Virus on here. I'm not sure if it comes with the HTC version, but it doesn't appear to be licensed at all. As soon as the trial runs out I'll be removing it.
One thing that I'd suggest changing immediately is the awful T-Mobile ring tones that are set for the phone ringing, along with a bunch of message alerts and reminders. Oh how I hate those tunes!
Bundled software: The CD is pretty minimalistic but does feature a GPRS monitor and Sprite Backup. There's no Outlook and no TomTom Taster Edition.
That's all I can think of worth telling you for now. If there's anything you want to know, I'll try my best to find out for you.

Does it have the HTC Today plugin on the today screen?
The large digital clock and weather information plus the notifications and tabs for launcher and photo contacts?
I ordered my Vario III Today as a free upgrade!! It arrives tomorrow

Sounds like that's the Touch style front end I mentioned.
It has everything you listed. I must say I'm pleased with how well the weather bit works. Added to that the speed of establishing a data connection and then downloading stuff is far, far quicker than my old MDA Pro (Universal).

I'm glad they got the right device out to you this time.
I managed to get mine ordered at 08:30 this morning and mine should be here for lunchtime tomorrow.
Bummer about the lack of TomTom taster or Outlook. I imagine Tmob have still got an arrangement with CoPilot for SatNav bundles. I'll have to look for a cheap Exchange provider as some of them are giving away copies of Outlook 2007.
How fast is your data speed? and I'll keep my fingers crossed that the Tmob ROMs don't exhibit the SOD that some have experienced.

wizzzard said:
I'll have to look for a cheap Exchange provider as some of them are giving away copies of Outlook 2007.
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For anybody who doesn't have a free exchange mailaddress to use with the push-mail functionality on WM5 and WM6:
mail2web is still (I think) giving away free exchange mailadresses...
Just go to mail2web.com and sign up!

wizzzard said:
I'm glad they got the right device out to you this time.
I managed to get mine ordered at 08:30 this morning and mine should be here for lunchtime tomorrow.
Bummer about the lack of TomTom taster or Outlook. I imagine Tmob have still got an arrangement with CoPilot for SatNav bundles. I'll have to look for a cheap Exchange provider as some of them are giving away copies of Outlook 2007.
How fast is your data speed? and I'll keep my fingers crossed that the Tmob ROMs don't exhibit the SOD that some have experienced.
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That would make sense as to why TomTom isn't included. I never thought of that. Luckily I have a copy of TomTom 6 that I can use anyway.
Data speeds have been great. Connecting to the UMTS network here is super fast and download speeds have far exceeded what I got from my Universal, although this is downloading virus definitions and weather reports. I haven't tried general Internet browsing just yet.
I can't comment on HSDPA speeds as it's not available here.
rvdgeer said:
For anybody who doesn't have a free exchange mailaddress to use with the push-mail functionality on WM5 and WM6:
mail2web is still (I think) giving away free exchange mailadresses...
Just go to mail2web.com and sign up!
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Free stuff always makes me a bit wary. What's in it for them? Do they send you spam, or attach ads to your mail? Is it possible to tie it in with my existing email service (which I control)?
I suppose I could go to the website and find out myself...

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Free stuff always makes me a bit wary. What's in it for them? Do they send you spam, or attach ads to your mail? Is it possible to tie it in with my existing email service (which I control)?
I suppose I could go to the website and find out myself...
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I use it for over a year now and never got any spam form mail2web or nasty pop-ups / ads...
They give it away as a free service for personal use and you only have to pay when you want it for professional use...
I never found any strings attached and I can say I've used it quite extensively

I really wish I knew when (or approximately when) T-mobile US plans to release their variant. This way, I can decide to wait or get the unlocked version (and possibly have to switch service providers due to 3g bands)

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I use it for over a year now and never got any spam form mail2web or nasty pop-ups / ads...
They give it away as a free service for personal use and you only have to pay when you want it for professional use...
I never found any strings attached and I can say I've used it quite extensively
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I signed up before you even replied, figuring it must be worth a shot. Signup was painless, then I just had to tell my mail server to forward incoming mail to my mail2web account.
Setup the account on my phone, gave it a quick test and it works a treat! Thanks a lot for the recommend.

Can you tell us whether they have blocked MSN messenger?

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Can you tell us whether they have blocked MSN messenger?
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Funny you should say that; the Live applications are somewhat absent. Is there a messaging program I can download somewhere? I always used to use Agile Messenger on this plan until it stopped being free and de-activated itself.

just install the windows live messenger cabs flying arounds in these forums

Hmm. I installed Fring and it didn't seem to be able to connect. I'll try again later though.
I'm a bit hesitant to install the Live stuff thanks to its importing all of my messenger contacts into the phone contacts. Something I really want to keep separate!
I'll keep fiddling with 3rd party programs and keep you posted.

darthbane2k said:
Can you tell us whether they have blocked MSN messenger?
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Well I can say they haven't blocked it for the Touch as I gave a college the cab of Windows Live

I use Palringo on my Kaiser on T-Mobile (But my handset is unbranded) and it works.
From what I can tell, palringo seems best. Supports MSN / Yahoo / more... and has PTT Plus it is free...

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Hmm. I installed Fring and it didn't seem to be able to connect. I'll try again later though.
I'm a bit hesitant to install the Live stuff thanks to its importing all of my messenger contacts into the phone contacts. Something I really want to keep separate!
I'll keep fiddling with 3rd party programs and keep you posted.
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This version of WLM separates contacts.

TaurusBullba said:
This version of WLM separates contacts.
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Thanks mate ill install this tomorrow when my baby arrives

TaurusBullba said:
This version of WLM separates contacts.
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So this is a 'hacked' version of WLM? Or has M$ finally gotten sensible and fixed their horrible mistake...?

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There's no Outlook
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This is pretty frigging ridiculous. From what I can see, syncronising contacts and calendar relies on having Outlook. How am I supposed to sync if I don't have it?

Got mine delivered this morning.
I havnt got the GPS to work so far (applications connect fine just the skies too cloudy to pick up any satellites).
Coming from the o2 Exec im finding the keyboard a bit small, and some of the keys having been moved around but nothing a weeks of use won't fix. Though using the keyboard while plugged into USB isn't all that comfortable.
The tmobile branding isn't as bad as i expected, though i would have preferred the black finish HTC look.
I've had no problems with connectivity. HSDPA and 3G seem to flip back and forth every now and then.

Finally! AIM for Wing (Uses Data not Text Messages)

Took a while, but I was able to dig up a link for AIM 2.0 for Windows CE devices. Works like a champ on the T-mobile Wing, and best of all doesn't charge for text messages but uses data.
http://info.aol.co.uk/aim/wince/index.html

Is this only with the unlimited data plan, or does it work with the proxy as well?

Don't know, I have the unlimited data plan and it works fine. Try it out, it's free. If it works tell the world.

That Sh*t Sucks Aol Needs To Fu*king Release A New Version Already And Stop Beating Around The God Dam Bush. Seriously.
They Depending On The Cellphone Company To Make The Software, But Truth Is They Need To Get Up Off There Lazy Ass, And Make A New And Better Version Of Aim For The Pocket Pc and other mobile devices. Just Like Yahoo Did.

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Is this only with the unlimited data plan, or does it work with the proxy as well?
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i used it w/ the proxy settings b4
but you need port settings... i stopped using it because it sucks. IM+ is better IMO

Here is a modified version of it. Works much better than the one you have up there. Give it a try.

Blackberry Messenger on a TILT

is it possible?

At work one of my coworkers told me someone got it to work on their tilt and wanted to know if I know how to do it. I googled but didn't find anything.

it states in the article that you can read message sent to you, but can't send them. doesn't make sense.
http://crackberry.com/blackberry-101-lecture-8-basics-how-use-blackberry-messenger

It's my understanding that BB IM uses the BB pin. Pin messaging is not fully implemented in BBC. Implementation also varies by BBC device. Hopefully they will add more functionality in yet-to-come versions.

YES
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is it possible?
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It is.
See, "How To Enable BB CONNECT TO WM6.1 Based ROM credit to elec.two" or "...6.0..." on the following thread:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=DuttySeriesKaiser
This thread should help with quite a bit on your Tilt questions.

Thanks alot I will try this out with my friends phone. Appreciate it. He told me he was able to read the pin messages but not send out. Thanks alot though I'll keep this post updated onhow it goes.

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It is.
See, "How To Enable BB CONNECT TO WM6.1 Based ROM credit to elec.two" or "...6.0..." on the following thread:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=DuttySeriesKaiser
This thread should help with quite a bit on your Tilt questions.
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Just wanted to add here so that when/if others come across this like I did... The above does *NOT* help you with Blackberry messenger as the OP asked... It *DOES* however help you get bbconnect running on a cooked rom.
There is no Blackberry Messenger available for PPC yet, though RIM is supposedly developing the "Blackberry Application Suite"... Though there's be no news on it since the initial press release so don't hold your breath!

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Thanks alot I will try this out with my friends phone. Appreciate it. He told me he was able to read the pin messages but not send out. Thanks alot though I'll keep this post updated onhow it goes.
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Is your friend's phone on a BES? Or just bbconnect? If he is on the enterprise server then security settings might be an issue. I had the same issue when trying to do a wireless sync with MS Exchange. Read the article below regarding the "protected groups" in windows server 2003. He can not be a part of any of the groups listed towards the bottom of the article. On top of that he would need to add the BESADMIN user rights for "send as" and "receive as" rights to his name in active directory. Do some more research on connecting a bb 8830 to BES with Exchange and you will understand.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907434

i wish gmail would come out with a googletalk and gmail push for wm6 like they did for blackberry...the blackberry edition of the google software is awesome.. my sister has black berry and i signed her on gchat and it hasn't signed off in 20 days

I'll be the first to admit I don't know squat about blackberry, but I do have in my hands a CD labelled 'HTC TyTN II Blackberry Connect / Blackberry Connect Desktop setup' if the files from that would be any use?

Thanks but no. Blackberry connect software is readily available from here as well as sems site.
What Sabian is trying to tell everyone is that there is no Blackberry Messenger in Blackberry Connect.
I'm not surprised pin messaging is not part of bbconnect since it is a compelling application for blackberry devices. Rim's stock price is doing well and they are selling tons of devices now. They have no incentive to cut into this by adding messenger functionality to blackberry connect or releasing their "virtual blackberry" vaporware.
However, there are two things that may make them reconsider and soon.
First, another massive network failure like the one last year will have a lot of folk wondering why they are paying premium prices for a service that can't guarantee 100% uptime and are less than open about admitting fault.
Second, is the 800lb gorilla that's coming this summer, the 3g iphone with Exchange sync capability. No use arguing pluses or minuses about it, a lot of execs and management will want to be able get their email on their new toy.
Rim needs to get their act in gear. They think they can answer this by coming out with their own iphone-like device. The real answer is full blackberry functionality in blackberry connect for pda phones including the iphone.

Don't know, I have seen the newly released specs on Iphone 2 and I am less than impressed...
No front video camera to any market...
Only 2Mpix rear camera still
No Copy & Paste
No memory upgrades possible still
No user changeable battery still
plastic case throughout instead of the steel back (though I was always a little concerned about using a steel back on a phone....)
Price has dropped, but it's not something I would go for in a phone. If they are targetting business users, something as fundamental as copy / paste would pretty much be an essential. It's like marketing a computer for the 21st century without a right click option... oh, wait...
(and yes, I know on the newer mighty mouse you do have right click capability, which is turned off by default)

Yeah if Pin to Pin worked perfectly on AT&T Tilt. I would add that data plan to my line. It's so much simpler like that and besides all my friends have blackberry. It would be cool to message them for free.
Iphone for Business!! Ha!! Ha!! Ha!!
Imagine typing up an email that has to go out on a emergency on the iPhone. The typos would be insane. You have to touch the screen all the time. It isn't practical. I still prefer the Qwerty Keyboard.
My next phone will either be the Touch Pro or the Xperia. Hopefully this site will add this phone even though it isn't made by HTC. It would suck to find another community like this.

BB connect feature for Non Blackberry Devices is 45.00 a month.
I pay 50 dollars a month for unlimited messaging and data on top of my 70 dollar voice plan. My monthly bill is 140.00-160.00. I only have one line. They should seriously drop the price down on these things. Sprint already let it be known that "Data, GPS, Messaging, Airtime doesn't cost a thing. That's why they have the 100 dollar everything plan. I would switch but then I remembered their service sucks.
I know it's off-topic but yeah.. had to vent.

Yes it is available. I use on mine. Just download BB client software from ATT website install it then call ATT and subscribe to BB plan. After call your company IT and let them set it up.

Can you explain better? I didn't find any BB client software on the ATT website. Please share the wealth. I need to get BB messenger by saturday because I am going to Beijing for the olympics and I don't want to pay 99 cent each text.

For the last time... THERE IS NO BLACKBERRY MESSENGER IN BBCONNECT.

It is available BB Client for Windows Mobile !!!
I couldn't attach this cab file for some reason but you can download "BBConnect_WM6_Professional_BB_41.0.0.84.cab" from here: http://rusyn.4shared.com

so did anyone figure out how to use blackberry messenger on the htc tilt?

AIM for WinMo

I'm looking for a lightwieght AIM client for WinMo. I have tried installing Agile Mobile but it wouldn't install. I would use the one that came in the ROM by default by ATT but it lowers your txt msgs with every IM you send. I'm looking for a free solution. When I had my iPhone I was able to use Mobile Meebo and/or iphone.beejive.com but none of these work on the kasier.
Which one do you all use? Much thanks.

Here you go, this one is my favorite. It was updated in 2000 but it's honestly the best AIM app I've found.
AIM Download

I use Slick.

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I'm looking for a lightwieght AIM client for WinMo. I have tried installing Agile Mobile but it wouldn't install. I would use the one that came in the ROM by default by ATT but it lowers your txt msgs with every IM you send. I'm looking for a free solution. When I had my iPhone I was able to use Mobile Meebo and/or iphone.beejive.com but none of these work on the kasier.
Which one do you all use? Much thanks.
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i agree with the poster above me, use slick, it updates on occasion and is fairly simple to use.
Here i've attached the file. you need to update once you install it so don't be discouraged.

Seeing as you used Jive Talk in the past, you should try the WM6 alpha.
http://www.beejive.com/wm6/

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Seeing as you used Jive Talk in the past, you should try the WM6 alpha.
http://www.beejive.com/wm6/
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Hrmm..I just installed this app. And the overall look of it seems nicer than slick. Thanks ouphase.

I assume that both Slick and the new Beejive use my phone's data plan so I won't be charged a text message for every IM sent, correct?

dylanc430 said:
I assume that both Slick and the new Beejive use my phone's data plan so I won't be charged a text message for every IM sent, correct?
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Correct (completing 10 char limit)

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what if i dont have a data plan?
be/c i got no data plan at all. i just use wifi.

Palringo works nicely and on multiple networks. I use it for AIM, MSN, and Yahoo.

i've been using palringo as well...i like that it integrates google chat at well, and the FINALLY updated it about a month ago where you can continue to have multiple chats open rather than closing a chat w/ 1 person, to open up a chat w/ another.
but i'm always looking for something newer and better...

i'm really diggin the layout and the chat history function of slick...but i tried to get jivetalk up and running, the cab that i'm downloading from their website isn't opening up on my phone properly...anybody having problems w/ the program as well?

I've had Palringo for a while now and just installed BeeJive. Palringo uses less memory, connect faster, plain and simple. Plus if you have MSN or HOTMAIL contacts on your yahoo buddy list they show up in Palringo unlike BeeJive. Beejive is more appealing with alot of neat and promising features butof course uses more memory. I like BeeJive more because it's got a feel to it plus it has alot of option to mees around with.
I'm sticking with both of them for now, and will run either one depending on my mood

anyone having problems installing jive talk too? i just did a hardreset on my phone and it still isn't working out. i'm sure it doesn't make a difference but i'm running qmobile 1.2 and its keeps pulling this error after i try to run it after a "successful" installation to the device. "
System.TypeLoad Exception
Unexpected Error:
Type LoadException at
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and continues on and on with a message caption that takes up the entire window. any ideas?

i have a couple mac fag buddies, they use iphone, and ichat for pc, any of these apps work w/ ichat? From what i hear you only need aim not sure if thats true (plus id love to NOT use aohell for anything)

iChat either uses .Mac or AIM to chat. Find out if they use AIM.

simbadogg said:
anyone having problems installing jive talk too? i just did a hardreset on my phone and it still isn't working out. i'm sure it doesn't make a difference but i'm running qmobile 1.2 and its keeps pulling this error after i try to run it after a "successful" installation to the device. "
and continues on and on with a message caption that takes up the entire window. any ideas?
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I get this same error on my 8125 running the latest (213) TNT ROM.

URL Links
Does either Slick or Plaringo convert http links in messages to clickable URLs?

palringo does, slick does as well...the real stinky thing about slick is you can't just copy text from conversations...which i do a lot. Sometimes i like to just copy convos etc, palringo is nice because whenever someone sends you a link, whether it be a picture of a youtube, or website or w/e...it'll say "open in browser" or "copy to clipboard". slick you can kind of do the same thing, but it takes a hell of a lot longer

simbadogg said:
anyone having problems installing jive talk too? i just did a hardreset on my phone and it still isn't working out. i'm sure it doesn't make a difference but i'm running qmobile 1.2 and its keeps pulling this error after i try to run it after a "successful" installation to the device. "
System.TypeLoad Exception
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and continues on and on with a message caption that takes up the entire window. any ideas?
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I get the same message....
I have seen this question asked multiple times in numerous threads with no answers...rather than start a new thread, i figured if bring this thread back and hopefully someone could answer this question? thanks

Sidekick aim for the G1

i believe that the im program on the sidekicks are the best ever put into a phone way better than jabber, im+, slick and all others.
i've been wondering if there is any way to get the sidekicks 3 or lx's im program on the G1
i know that its possible to get a developer's kit for the sidekick which allows you much access to the sidekick. but i don't know if someone would be able to get the aim application from the sidekick, send it to a developer and have him/her port it to android. i don't know if what i am saying is far fetched or not. If it isn't i would be willing to help in anyway, i can get a sidekick but I'm not a developer but if someone could give me instruction i could be able to dump the im program from it.

haitiankid4lyf said:
i believe that the im program on the sidekicks are the best ever put into a phone way better than jabber, im+, slick and all others.
i've been wondering if there is any way to get the sidekicks 3 or lx's im program on the G1
i know that its possible to get a developer's kit for the sidekick which allows you much access to the sidekick. but i don't know if someone would be able to get the aim application from the sidekick, send it to a developer and have him/her port it to android. i don't know if what i am saying is far fetched or not. If it isn't i would be willing to help in anyway, i can get a sidekick but I'm not a developer but if someone could give me instruction i could be able to dump the im program from it.
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It's not so much the AIM program on the SK family that makes the experience great. It's Danger's backend servers. They keep the trickle of data going so that your AIM never loses connection and such things.

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It's not so much the AIM program on the SK family that makes the experience great. It's Danger's backend servers. They keep the trickle of data going so that your AIM never loses connection and such things.
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I'm not just talking about not losing connection... I'm talking about how easy it to use for example unlike the g1's default I'm when starting a cnversation you buddy is temporarily moved to another category. It also take much longer to load buddies (even though the sk isn't quite fast either) there also a bunch of little things that make it nice.. like how it save recent screennames that use ur aim, how you are able to see a buddy's FULL away messag (im+ only let's u see part of it.) Also the ease in which you can swith from conversation to coversation. And there are plenty other things that make the experience great.

Just download meebo. its in the market now. free aim app that uses internet to send messages and not your text.

use meebo!

thats what i am using but meebo:
1) doesn't allow you to change your status (ex away, busy, unavailable) also
2) it does not allow you to save login info(not as important as number 1)
3) can not add buddies

sidekick lx im works great when the G is there, but i had horrible service with the sidekick alot of miss calls where my phone never wrong or i was just missing the G all together, sidekick is too limited
haitiankid4lyf said:
i believe that the im program on the sidekicks are the best ever put into a phone way better than jabber, im+, slick and all others.
i've been wondering if there is any way to get the sidekicks 3 or lx's im program on the G1
i know that its possible to get a developer's kit for the sidekick which allows you much access to the sidekick. but i don't know if someone would be able to get the aim application from the sidekick, send it to a developer and have him/her port it to android. i don't know if what i am saying is far fetched or not. If it isn't i would be willing to help in anyway, i can get a sidekick but I'm not a developer but if someone could give me instruction i could be able to dump the im program from it.
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aim
I believe you guys are missing his whole point,a lot of ppl that had the sidekick upgraded to the g1 and they really liked the sidekicks aim and maybe thought that the g1 aim was gonna be equal or even better on the g1 there's a lot of things that just don't add up with the aim.a lot of ppl loved going into the aim chat rooms when they had there sidekick and now we have the g1 and can't do any of those things so that's basically what he's saying meebo is cool but it doesn't add up to the sidekicks aim.

its coming soon im beta testing an im client that is a lot like the one on my sidekick it still has some bugs but much better then others on the G1

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its coming soon im beta testing an im client that is a lot like the one on my sidekick it still has some bugs but much better then others on the G1
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What would the name of this program be?

its palringo

Only issue I have with Meebo is it disconnects randomly.

i agree, the sidekick aim is way better than any aim for the g1 right now. meebo's most annoying thing is even when you are signed off, it still keeps its icon on the status bar, and i have to restart the phone to get it to go away. all the other aim apps (including the one that came with the phone) only send 1/3 of my messages. wtf?