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Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric
If they could get the TyTN II Radio chip & the video preformance to work I would say TyTN II.
Or else Touch Cruise.
But the Cruise looks ugly :O
I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.
eddythepeddy said:
I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.
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Thanks.
Which issues do you see with the present Touch Cruise?
I would stay away from HTC products altogether. Unless customer service is not important for you and you enjoy companies treating you like s*** after you've paid their products dearly..
I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.
ericc191 said:
I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.
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Tilt sucks anyway
I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.
srmz said:
I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.
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Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
My post...
Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?
xmoo said:
Tilt sucks anyway
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why, because you were lucky enough to pay more for your version?
anyways, i say get the tytn II now, as the anticipation and wait for it took a long time to materialize, and its replacement hasn't really leaked yet even. the kaisers and tilts i've seen and had were definitely problem-free.
Thanks for all the inputs.
Seems that the screen keyboard works good enough to replace a hardware one.
I'll have a look at the Polaris when it is available and if it's not as ugly as it looks I'll go for it.
Otherwise I'll wait for a Touch II, which I hope will have a decent processor, Wifi, 3G+, GPS and who knows perhaps a VGA screen
I'm sorry, WHAT? let's try some logical deductive reasoning... okay?
jgermuga said:
Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
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Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?
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I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.
I have two Tilts and one Kaiser.
I have had no problems with them.
Maybe I am not as demanding as other people.
The Tilts are running Dutty's HTC Hybrid Final as is the Kaiser.
Have tried all the new ROM's but always come back to it.
Wait for a new release or, if the size / weight isn't a problem, get a HTC Universal. I think the Tilt will be only worth the price if and only if the 3D / video drivers are fixed - in no way in its present state. (Of course, if you won't want to play back movies / play games at all, this won't be an issue for you.)
Alternatively, you might want to consider getting the Nokia N95, particularly if you're into multimedia and don't necessarily need touchscreen / thumbboard - you'll love it with the new, v20 firmware. It's just lovely: lightweight, very fast, is Next Gen N-Gage compliant, has 3D hardware acceleration, has the best multimedia features (built-in, stereo speakers, built-in even UPnP support and a decent A2DP implementation - much better than that of the Tilt / Kaiser) and knows a lot "out of the box", even w/o installing third-party apps.
djblu said:
I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.
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That's a good comparison of the TyTN II to the Touch, but I think he was asking about the Touch Cruise? Same CPU and memory, etc. How is typing on the touch screen for a short SMS?
My device, Axim X51V, is quite a fast one, or this is my impression about this kind of CPU's. Touchpal made me feel I was using a 200MHz OMAP.
So after a few tests in which I've seen it doesn't do much I've uninstalled it quickly. Sorry, but there are better alternatives, so I won't stick to something inferior.
If anyone needs to know, I'm currently using FTPRO, it's simply the best KB so far, you can download the CAB Attached and give it a try. More details on www.fingertouchpro.com
Ciao!
Cedricm said:
Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric
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If you were getting into this a little earlier in the year i would tell you to get the tilt or htc kaiser hands down.... (same phone).
But since you are just now looking, and the HTC Diamond and HTC Touch Pro are right around the corner....I personally would recommend waiting to see what they are about. Then, watch some youtube videos, read some ACTUAL reviews from people who have the phone (not companies who review the phone). If you still want it then, buy one of those.
Many of the current devices out have issues, or flaws, that won't or SHOULDN'T exist in the upcoming series of phones. The Diamond specifically appears to have resolved most of the problems we see with our Kaiser/Tilt's.
So... my suggestion, wait it out for at least another month or so... IF you can.
Oh, and there's always the iphone 3g, and yes i'm totally 100% serious. It's a nice little gadget (even if everyone on this forum is in denial about it and hates them for some reason).
By accident I stumbled upon the HTC Diamond after a friend of mine asked me if I can buy it cheaper in the US (compared to Germany)...
I was using a PocketPC in the past but stopped because I did not want to carry a PPC and a cell phone with me all the time. And at that point, windows mobile based phones where just not very appealing...
Well, that changed now after getting back and checking the current PPC market which mainly consists of PPC/phone solutions now. Is the PPC as a stand-alone PDA dead? I guess so...
Luckily I stumbled upon the HTC Touch Diamond on the day HTC announced the Touch Pro. So despite most of you all out there, I was not caught in the HTC Touch Diamond Hype before you completely knew about the HTC Touch Pro.
So for me, I will most likely wait until the Touch Pro is released. Mainly because of: Higher Battery Capacity, microSDHC slot, more RAM/ROM, Camera with Flash and keyboard... (well, basically all the differences)
One thing I was really wondering about: The HTC Touch Diamond/Pro are 3G phones. So it is possible to stay connected to the Internet 24/7. You can receive your emails now anytime and anywhere (even better with push-email or an exchange server). So managing your emails on-the-go is not a problem at all. Therefore it is great to have a hardware keyboard with the phone, like with the pro, right?
Or is a hardware keyboard not that great? I have no experiences with that... What are yours? What are your opinions about having a hardware keyboard or not? Is the larger size of the pro to much of a sacrifice to get all the goodies like keyboard, more battery power, and memory card slot?
I am wondering how much of an impact it has if the phone is just 7mm thicker and heavier but the width and length remains the same. Opinions... what are your priorities?
Touch Pro............
I'll try to hold myself and wait for the Touch Pro. It even has a TV-out for Christ sake... Don't get me wrong, the Diamond is a stunning device, but if I'll buy a new smartphone (now I have a Touch Enchanced) it will be the Touch Pro. Plus, while the Diamond design is ... unique, it's not very practical, and one shouldn't be concerned about the shape of a phone in the first place.
Diamond for me, I now have a E-ten M700 and the keyboard i don't use alot.
The more things on the device the more things brake
I got Diamond because it's thin and pro is too thick
I've got an HTC Wizard, and I don't think it's too thick..
Don't get me wrong, it is think for a phone, but with the stuff in has in side (at least for the time it was released) it's good
The keyboard is sometimes really useful, but I guess it depends on what you're using the device for.. Sometimes you just don't want to type the stuff on the display (especially if the keys are tiny), and then the keyboard is perfect! Other times, I use the screen (because when I open the kb, the scren rotation takes 3 seconds or something like that, and at times I hate it, though it's not a problem with the HTC Touch Pro )
Anyway, I'm thinking of getting the pro, mainly because of the battery, RAM.. I could live without the keyboard, but not with a bad battery =/
Speaking about the SD card.. I'm thinking will the internal storage be faster than the internal SD card reader?
Diamond. Keyboards are not fashionable or necessary, and the other improvements (some of which are random, like TV Out) don't justify the size.
And yeah, I would guess that the internal storage would be faster than a microSD card reader.
Does anyone have any estimates on the price of the Touch Pro? They might put an end to any potential for doubt in my mind.
I think keyboard have their place. I used to use one to ssh and vnc into servers as a last resort. They also make email alot easier. Without the keyboard you end up writing small short emails which you later have to follow up with another sentance or two when you get to the PC.
But, i'm going for the diamond, simply because i dont need to respond to that much email urgently, only read it, and what i do i can manage with on screen keyboard. SSH, VNC will still work, and like i said its a last resort anyway.
Touch pro for me! i dont think the diamonds virtual keyboard is any good for even a full text message, it just dosent apeal to me. Yeah the pro is thick, but having a full keyboard and bigger battery just makes me gravatate to it much more.
and VGA screens =D
pro or x1 because of the keyboard.
Pro. Hardware keyboard. MicroSD slot. Bigger screen. And for people who say less hardware=better, what will happen if you mess up your touchscreen on your diamond? You're screwed because you have no buttons.
I like the diamond but will get none of those.
The look and specs are great, but they are not for me. Because:
- Battery. How on earth 900mAh battery comes with 528mAh CPU, VGA display, 128Mb RAM. Oh well not to mention the 3D effect. It reminds me about Nokia 8800, luxury but not useful with second bettery beside. Touch Pro is not much better. The best maybe SE Xperia X1 (HTC also).
- Plastic feel and of couse fingerprint. A bit too light for me.
- 2.8" screen a bit too small for browsing, especially VGA display.
Maybe HTC will redesign those phones and the next generation coming soon. Ideal "Diamond version" will come with bigger battery and Metal feel like X1. Will get one then
Pro!
I'd go with the Pro. I currently have a Tilt, but am looking to expand my collection. This phone seems to be the perfect fit. There is one feature that is a slight problem, screen size. My tilt has the widely used 2.8" qvga screen and gets very annoying when trying to surf the web, view documents as well as pix and vids. The Pro would be even better if it had at least a 3.5 inch screen.
I will definitely wait for the Pro. Mostly for the battery capacity and the more RAM and ROM. Then hardware QWERTY keyboard and SD card slot are another plus, even if I won't use them that much. May be even more/better accessories in the box. And yes, it's thicker than the Diamond but, hey - all that in just 18mm. Man, it's the size of my current N73.
I just hate HTC for that two months delay, they should have announced them together so I can buy Pro now. I was so desperately waiting for the new HTC device, now I have to wait even more. But then I'll have the time to see if users experience any problems with the new platform - the case with the cripled TyTNII, that I was going to buy and then read about the video problems.
playst said:
I got Diamond because it's thin and pro is too thick
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Same here I've a tytn and it's too thick.
The keyboard is great, btw the new qwerty virtual keyboard of diamond is really nice, i can write easily and fast.
demonizator said:
But then I'll have the time to see if users experience any problems with the new platform
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I am actually speculating very much on this... as you already have read on this forum, there are flaws or shortcomings with the Diamond and people already find tweaks and solutions. I am actually very confident that I will end up to have very distinc and realistic expectations once the Pro hits the market due to what I am and will be able to get to know about the Diamond on this forum!
Kraize92 said:
Pro. Hardware keyboard. MicroSD slot. Bigger screen. And for people who say less hardware=better, what will happen if you mess up your touchscreen on your diamond? You're screwed because you have no buttons.
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I can understand people who just prefer keyboards, but attacking the touchscreen is very random. I have four points in response to that:
1. Touchscreens are not particularly prone to breaking. If they were, phones with touchscreens would not be popular.
2. The Touch Diamond has toughened glass protecting its screen, so that is pretty hard to break too. I'd say toughened glass is much less prone to breaking than a plasticky keyboard.
3. Even if the touchscreen does break, the device can be used without it - there are more than enough buttons.
4. The Touch Diamond is designed for use with one hand, whereas it's pretty hard to use a keyboard with just one hand. What if you messed up one of your hands?
Well, I'm getting the Diamond (not the pro). Form factor is very important to me and I have never used a hardware keyboard as well (no, don't need one too ).
Most of the issues I hear I'm 'used to' with htc phones and there are already some tweaks out to overcome those small flaws. For me I don't think the pro will fix those issues.
So in short the pro doesn't have that much more to offer to me, thus the Diamond is the device of choice
Diamond ordered here. It`s tiny and that`s important.
Call me Fl#cking crazy
I'm considering getting out of the ppc game. I went from the
Hitachi g1000
ppc6600
ppc6700
ppc6800
ppc6900
then back to the 6800
I won't say what i might be getting, if i did i'd get flamed like noo tommorow.
I was excited about the diamond and raphael. Then i saw the video blog of the diamond. Every new video that came out, made me realize that you can spot the wound peeking out from underneith the bandaid. Touch flow being the bandaid, win mo being the scabby wound, that keeps getting a little better, untill you pick at it. 8 years of nearly the same os, has left me cynical and slightly bitter. There's nothing better than showing someone my 6800 to someone to only have it stall or lock, and then having to re-set it.
Did i mention that i have been up for over 20+ hours, it's easy to nit pick when your barely lucid.
People,
Posted here as I think a lot of the Kaiser community has "upgraded" to the new Diamond.....as I am thinking of doing!
Looking for comments from real users of both devices as to pros and cons of the Diamond over the Kaiser....would you do it again if given the option??
Thanks in advance......
well, i am one of the comunity used Kaiser for long time, never let me down, perfect keyboard.. and now here is Diamond... ) if i compare the both devices, Diamond is the KING now in my eyes, only thing i really missing is the keyboard, but now you don't be afraid put the diamond in to the pocket, because is perfect thin.. and the weight is absolutely perfect, i can't even feel the diamond in my pocket )) the processor is ok, fast, TFL3d is nice, for TOMTOM perfect VGA display, well be honest, if you want new, modern device, with better VGA display, better processor, thin and light devices although without the keyboard, go for it.. that's my opinion.and if u want using this device for SatNav, few documents the 4GIG of storage is enough... ( tomtom, maps UK+IRL and Western europe, few documents, few cabs and still i have about 2GIG free )
sorry for my english
Thanks for the reply...sounds like your pretty happy with the investment.....is the speed genuinely better than the Kaiser?
Happy now
But what's about the battery?
The Kaiser has the better battery life, the keyboard (which I don't miss to be honest) and the sd card slot (which I also don't miss as I only ever had 1 4 Gb card anyway!),
Diamond is more useable I don't get the stylus out much), easier to carry and IMHO looks much bettter.
Look into my signature... Diamond Touch Pro is still missing to have a 3 in a row. The Diamond touch will not belong in ther list for long
I don't use my TYTN II currently, but hell, how many times I told myself if the TytnII could be put in the Diamond Boddy...
Guess it explains enough. My Diamond will not to be kept for a long time , despite the 750 US $ investment.
I really don’t know which one to choose from this one or the pro2. As already an owner of the first Touch Diamond which I’m very pleased about I do miss the keyboard but the size of the phone is then again to big does anybody know how the touch keyboard will work. Also if anyone doesn’t mind to tell me what the big differences are between the Diamond2 and Pro2.
Well the Touch Pro 2 has a 3.6 inch screen the Diamond 2 has a 3.2 inch screen, the Touch Pro two has a 3.2 mega pixel camera the Diamond 2 has a 5 mega pixel camera, other than those things and the keyboard and thickness I think that is it.
Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
yuanes said:
Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
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Software wise I think they are exactly the same
If the software is exactly the same then its 60% to 40% for the Diamond2
I´ll decide for TP2!
Because keyboard and bigger screen, really don´t care about camera mpx
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Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
Hi!
For what I have seen the Strait Talk is more than software, it also includes the dual speaker system with echo cancellation that the pro2 has. The software part of strait talk is included in the new phone canvas, and that is identical in both the diamond2 and the pro2.
Regards,
PK
swissman said:
Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
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@ swissman & paalkr
Exactly this well kind of a same function you have in the “older ones” touch diamond and pro. It’s a nice gadget though but which one of you is really going to use this function and what I mean with it is like in a conference with your business partners etc.
But like orb3000 it’s clear did he wants the TP2 because of the keyboard and bigger screen 0,4 inch bigger than the TD2.
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
yuanes said:
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
gkai said:
I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
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You do have a point there size is almost everything, with the TD that I have never had any problem with it because it fits in my jean, suit etc perfect!
Thanks!
As of right now I'd go with the TD2. Never had a slide out keyboard so having one isn't all that important to me. Size is everything to me and until I can hold a TP2 I am worried that it will be too thick for my liking. Both screens are nice, the TP2's is obviously nicer but I could still live with the TD2 since it's an upgrade to the screen on the vogue or diamond. But in the end it will somewhat depend on if my carrier gets both and the timing of their release.
TP2 is better in terms of specs and look IMO, its colour is uniform throughout, not a bit of silver at the bottom and the rest is black like the Diamond 2. Price is very important also.
Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
bugsykoosh said:
Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
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Thanks for the specs and the comparing!
Definitely TP2, i use to own the kaiser and moved over to Touch HD... and i must say i Damn miss the keyboard, plus extra screen size and resturn of tilt - way step up from Kaiser.....Can't wait
Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
smadger said:
Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
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It does have the TV-Out.
I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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The 2 speakers are nice though but are you really going to use 2 mics, I also hope that it isn’t that bulky because a friend wants to buy it. He always wants to compete with me the same as the TD1 and TP1 its going to start all over.
Hey guys,
I've been a very happy camper with my htc Touch (ELFin) running dsixda's Onyx ROM. Though not especially powerful, the ELFin has been a great package doing most of the stuffs I expect from a smartphone, but I couldn't be happier with it.
But then, as I'm sure most of you know, there comes the itch for a new toy, and the fact ELFin only has a QVGA screen and not VGA/WVGA seems to get on my mind more everday, and the fact it doesn't have built-in GPS also gets pretty annoying.
So I've been thinking of an upgrade, and right now the Diamond and Diamond 2 are on top of my list.
I am looking for a slim smartphone phone that does email, lite web surfing, the usual PDA, GPS device (I use tomtom right now on the ELFin) ... I also read plenty of ebook on my smartphone.
What I'm NOT looking for, is a multi-media player. I rarely listen to music off my phone, and almost never watch video's on it.
The Diamond and Diamond 2 both seem to fit the bill.
I like the D2 between the 2, because it has a longer screen, which I presume is better for web surfing and ebook reading. And the screen seems to be the biggest difference between the 2 phones.
The D2 does cost quite a bit more than the Diamond though ... I can get Diamond for about half the price of a D2 (~CDN$300 vs $600)
I also heard D2 that I can get my hands on are from overseas and somehow 3G doesn't work on them with my service provider (Rogers). I can easily get a Rogers branded Diamond though and get 3G. So that's another concern.
I wonder if any of you have looked into upgrading from a Diamond to a D2, and what's your 2 cents on it
Thanks in advance!
no doubt-d2
Diamond's not getting much love?
Sure, you'd expect the D2 to be better than D2, but I just don't know if it justify the premium. The D2 costs almost twice as the D1 (~CDN$600 vs ~$300) and I see the biggest difference being a taller screen, which is good, but I also prefer to have a D-pad than without ... some applications work better with the D-pad.
I also heard my friend, a D1 user, complaining about the phone not being fast enough and rather unstable. That surprised me because I am using the original Touch, which only has a 201MHz processor, but I don't feel it's sluggish in regular use (granted, I don't play video from my phone). Is it a ROM issue potentially, that can be fixed by flashing a newer / custom ROM?
D2 also has more RAM and ROM, microSD slot and a better camera. On the other hand, it still has a very similar CPU (same clock, same family).
Pro D2:
-more RAM (if needed, with Nataly 2.7, S2U2 and SPB Mobile Shell running, I only use 55%)
-larger screen
Cons:
-only few ROMs available, therefore it is still slower compared to the D1
-no magnetic pen shaft
Well, I'm not so sure if those points are enough to pay twice the price for the device.
For me, the lack of hard keys is kind of annoying on my Diamond. And the lack of d-pad on the D2 makes matters worse. Of course, that might not be an issue to you. But if you intend to play any games, that will definitely limit your selection.
number16 said:
Hey guys,
I've been a very happy camper with my htc Touch (ELFin) running dsixda's Onyx ROM. Though not especially powerful, the ELFin has been a great package doing most of the stuffs I expect from a smartphone, but I couldn't be happier with it.
But then, as I'm sure most of you know, there comes the itch for a new toy, and the fact ELFin only has a QVGA screen and not VGA/WVGA seems to get on my mind more everday, and the fact it doesn't have built-in GPS also gets pretty annoying.
So I've been thinking of an upgrade, and right now the Diamond and Diamond 2 are on top of my list.
I am looking for a slim smartphone phone that does email, lite web surfing, the usual PDA, GPS device (I use tomtom right now on the ELFin) ... I also read plenty of ebook on my smartphone.
What I'm NOT looking for, is a multi-media player. I rarely listen to music off my phone, and almost never watch video's on it.
The Diamond and Diamond 2 both seem to fit the bill.
I like the D2 between the 2, because it has a longer screen, which I presume is better for web surfing and ebook reading. And the screen seems to be the biggest difference between the 2 phones.
The D2 does cost quite a bit more than the Diamond though ... I can get Diamond for about half the price of a D2 (~CDN$300 vs $600)
I also heard D2 that I can get my hands on are from overseas and somehow 3G doesn't work on them with my service provider (Rogers). I can easily get a Rogers branded Diamond though and get 3G. So that's another concern.
I wonder if any of you have looked into upgrading from a Diamond to a D2, and what's your 2 cents on it
Thanks in advance!
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I would highly suggest u to get TOUCH HD. Its a whole lot of new experience. There are too many ROM's available. It rocks