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HTC Tytn II or O2 Xda Stellar?

Hi,
I'm in the UK and renewing contract as I type. It's a business contract for approx. 11 sim card and 4 new handsets.
We go through a telecom company who provide the contract (this one is with O2) and the handsets.
Now, one of the handsets we've asked for is an HTC Tytn II...
BUT I'm not 100% sure if they plan to send an O2 Xda Stellar or an HTC Tytn II, as they are the same phone they may be planning to send either.
My question is this. Should I insist on an HTC Tytn II or would I be better with the Stellar?
I plan to use it as follows:
WIFI access wherever I can get it
3G/GPRS internet access on the phone
Use the phone as a 3G/GPRS modem for my laptop via bluetooth
Use a Jabra BT Headset
Use it as a tomtom satnav
Sync to Outlook 2003
Does a UK supplied Tytn II come with the tomtom taster software?
If not can the downloaded copy (of the taster software) I have got be used on it easily?
Can I easily put the tomtom software on a stellar (I'm concerned about the problems I've read about the internal GPS setting)
If I get the Tytn II will it be hard to get the 3G/GPRS and laptop modem stuff working with 02 setting etc.?
I'm concerned that the Stellar would be locked to O2 so perhaps less future proof (If I leave O2)
In a nutshell, should I be concerned which version I get given that I will be on O2 and want to use it as described?
I hope you can help as I want to send an email asap if I should be insisting on one version.
Regards
Bryan

I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps

dazb2001 said:
I'll be very surprised if you get the HTC Tytn II and not the O2 XDA Stellar. My company is with O2 and we have been sent the Stellars (which do all the things you are asking about, by the way)
The other good thing is that, from my experience, all O2 phones are unlocked anyway (I've tried a SE K850i, a Nokia E90 and the Stellar and all can be used with other sims right out of the box)
The O2 doesn't come with the TomTom taster software though (We bought full copies of it and it works beautifully)
If you're really concerned, ask O2 to they will send you a O2 Stellar on trial so you can confirm everything for yourself. That's what I did
Hope that helps
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Thanks for the quick reply.
O2 aren't sending the phone as such, we use an intermediary as we get a better deal from them. They may of course just be getting the phones from O2 anyway and that's why I'm concerned that I may be getting a Stellar when I asked for a Tytn II.
I'm just wondering if I would be better insisiting on a Tytn II or on a Stellar or should I not be bothered?
I understand it's the same device and the hardware is the same so they will both do the same job, just wondered which was best for me given that the O2 will be branded in the software (I assume) and maybe the vanilla Tytn II will be easiest to get working with other stuff. Or will the Stellar work better/easier with their 3G settings etc...
The Tytn II is a charcoal type colour isn't it? and the Stellar silver?
If so, I prefer the aesthetics of the Tytn II but can't just make a decision on colour now, can I

Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff. If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
From my usage of the Stellar, I've noticed a few things based on comments by other TyTnII/XDA users on this site.
1. Camera - Quality is reasonably good if you can keep your hand steady while you take the picture. The preview isn't very good but I think that's more the camera sensor constantly trying to re-adjust the brightness/contrast/colours more than anything else.
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) - I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times. The Stellar that I have doesn't seem to suffer from this problem. It swaps between portrait/landscape extremely quickly with only a slight delay when going from landscape back to portrait.
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4 and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting although it doesn't seem to happen as frequently. There does however always seem to be a slight stutter when the audio hardware is initialised for the first time, whether playing back a MP3 or using a Ring/Message tone. I suspect this is a driver issue and may get sorted in time. It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.

Well, from what I've read on this forum, it seems that the O2 software for whatever reason seems to run a bit better than the standard HTC stuff.
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Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
If you don't want the O2 branding on there, hard-reset the phone when you get it and do a soft reset when it starts installing the O2 software. Hey presto, clean O/S.
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Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
2. Screen Change (when opening/closing the keyboard) I've looked at a few videos on YouTube showing some appalling screen change times...
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I will certainly watch out for that...
3. Data connectivity - Overall, I haven't had a problems with data connections whether using Wifi or 3G/GPRS. Pocket IE is garbage
but the new Opera browser is pretty good. Still not as good as the browser on the iPhone but it's certainly getting there.
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I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
4. Tomtom - The full version of TomTom 6 works fine with my Stellar. Set the GPS to Other NMEA GPS Receiver, 4800 Baud Rate on Com 4
and it works fine. To speed up Satellite acquisition times, I always use the QuickGPS software that comes with the Stellar.
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And those settings use the built in GPS?
5. Audio - I have noticed the occasional playback glitch that others on this forum are reporting ... It's certainly not a deal-breaker for me though.
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Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
That's all I can think of at the moment. If anything else springs to mind, I'll put another post up.
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I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan

WebAgents said:
Intersting, so 1 up to the Stellar
Would another hard reset without a soft reset bring back the O2 branding etc.?
I will certainly watch out for that...
I will probably change browsers, I had a quick look at the SPB today s/ware
which includes a browser with tabs etc. I use IE7 so may go that way.
And those settings use the built in GPS?
Nor me, I won't use it much for MP3 playback, I don't think. Stuttering ringtone? I'll learn to live with it I'm sure.
I appreciate the effort, thanks very much.
Unless some-one comes up with good reason
to try and get one version over the other
I think I'll just wait and see which I get.
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
To answer in turn
Yes, a hard reset would bring back the branding unless you performed another soft reset after the hard reset (if you see what I mean )
Yes, they are the settings for the internal GPS. Initial satellite pickup after using QuickGPS (and using TomTom for the first time) was about 30 seconds.
Glad the rest was useful!

Hidden writing & 3g stability

Hi
I went through all the threads and could not find any one discussing these 2 problems!
when setting up you mail account you can't see what you are writing!!!! and it seems that it is the same for most of the writing in the machine .....!! any Help please
2nd .. what is the best setup for getting a continuous 3g signal? my Nokia has it all the time! I can not make vedio calls
I am using ROM 1.35.456.3 and radio 0.93.25.ns26

Besides my HTC Touch Diamond, I also own a Nokia E90(for daily work) and a Nokia N95 8GB(when having family quality time, mostly weekends).
So far, I don't know of any HTC device to be only even close to Nokia's 3G reception quality. The E90 has full HSDPA signal reception, almost same with the N95 8GB in our bedroom, no problems here to check emails, get attachements ultrafast.
The Touch Diamond doesn't get a HSDPA signal at all(same place on my night desk) and if the "H" shows up(VERY rarely), it is only one bar and it falls back immediately to GPRS or EDGE when I try to download an attachment. Horrible 3G performance.
Regarding Touchflo3D and the "keyboard": I can't hide the feeling that HTC rushed things with the Touch Diamond. The reason could be the early introduction of the iPhone 3G, it could also be the fact that HTC needed a new "breakthrough" device for their carrier partners. If HTC would have put around 6 more months into Touchflo3D and hardware development, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a very nice product.
Touchflo3D looks absolutely stunning, no doubt about it. If it would work only half as good as it looks...well... I truely hope that during the following months and the additional pressure created through the new iPhone 2 and other interesting products from Nokia and Co., HTC will put more energy into Touchflo3D and hardware development. I wish Microsoft would use Touchflo3D as a benchmark for GUI design(not functionality!) because it really looks good, much better than Apple's iPhone "mini"OSX.
Right now, all early Touch Diamond adopters like us have to live with the flaws this beauty has. It is a stunning device but not even close to perfection. AT LEAST 6 months of software/hardware development are missing from this device, I know it sounds horrible and it is.
Lets hope that HTC and especially the steadily rising Touch Diamond developer community will find a way to improve Touchflo3D performance AND integration into WM6.1. Touchflo3D isn't fully implemented, it is more of a "cover" for WM6.1 and not a very thorough one. I just hope that some people will use this opportunity to embedd the Touchflo3D look even further into WM6.1, right now it looks like a halfbread "something", with that fancy Touchflo3D interface and that dusty WM original interface in one place. This needs to be changed.

P996 said:
Besides my HTC Touch Diamond, I also own a Nokia E90(for daily work) and a Nokia N95 8GB(when having family quality time, mostly weekends).
So far, I don't know of any HTC device to be only even close to Nokia's 3G reception quality. The E90 has full HSDPA signal reception, almost same with the N95 8GB in our bedroom, no problems here to check emails, get attachements ultrafast.
The Touch Diamond doesn't get a HSDPA signal at all(same place on my night desk) and if the "H" shows up(VERY rarely), it is only one bar and it falls back immediately to GPRS or EDGE when I try to download an attachment. Horrible 3G performance.
Regarding Touchflo3D and the "keyboard": I can't hide the feeling that HTC rushed things with the Touch Diamond. The reason could be the early introduction of the iPhone 3G, it could also be the fact that HTC needed a new "breakthrough" device for their carrier partners. If HTC would have put around 6 more months into Touchflo3D and hardware development, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a very nice product.
Touchflo3D looks absolutely stunning, no doubt about it. If it would work only half as good as it looks...well... I truely hope that during the following months and the additional pressure created through the new iPhone 2 and other interesting products from Nokia and Co., HTC will put more energy into Touchflo3D and hardware development. I wish Microsoft would use Touchflo3D as a benchmark for GUI design(not functionality!) because it really looks good, much better than Apple's iPhone "mini"OSX.
Right now, all early Touch Diamond adopters like us have to live with the flaws this beauty has. It is a stunning device but not even close to perfection. AT LEAST 6 months of software/hardware development are missing from this device, I know it sounds horrible and it is.
Lets hope that HTC and especially the steadily rising Touch Diamond developer community will find a way to improve Touchflo3D performance AND integration into WM6.1. Touchflo3D isn't fully implemented, it is more of a "cover" for WM6.1 and not a very thorough one. I just hope that some people will use this opportunity to embedd the Touchflo3D look even further into WM6.1, right now it looks like a halfbread "something", with that fancy Touchflo3D interface and that dusty WM original interface in one place. This needs to be changed.
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Would be interested to know which rom your using and which network your on???. Reason i ask is that im with tmobile and their 3G coverage is brilliant, with my n95 8gb i could easily get 3.5g access but seeing as im getting my Diamond tommorrow...if im going to have major issues getting a decent 3g signal then the phone is no good to me.

Ajebooo said:
Hi
when setting up you mail account you can't see what you are writing!!!! and it seems that it is the same for most of the writing in the machine .....!! any Help please
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Yep! anoying as hell. the only thing you can do is turn the keyboard off to see what you wrote, and then turn it back on to finish typing (the icon in the center bottom of the screen just in case u didnt know - but i'm sure u did!)
Or in some windows u can scroll the window down.
I tell you whats worse tho.. when you open opera and the HTC search page comes up.. you can't see what your trying either!

someone1234 said:
Yep! anoying as hell. the only thing you can do is turn the keyboard off to see what you wrote, and then turn it back on to finish typing (the icon in the center bottom of the screen just in case u didnt know - but i'm sure u did!)
Or in some windows u can scroll the window down.
I tell you whats worse tho.. when you open opera and the HTC search page comes up.. you can't see what your trying either!
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Thanks, Actually what I mean is not the words hidden behind the keyboard , try to setup an e-mail account and you will see what I mean.....> you can see the box , but the words are invisible -----the invisible words ... very unprofessional work , I can't believe this
the 3g coverage is great for my E90 , but for this Diamond it is only Edge ....

Ajebooo said:
Thanks, Actually what I mean is not the words hidden behind the keyboard , try to setup an e-mail account and you will see what I mean.....> you can see the box , but the words are invisible -----the invisible words ... very unprofessional work , I can't believe this
the 3g coverage is great for my E90 , but for this Diamond it is only Edge ....
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hmm i setup my email yesterday and didn't have that problem at all.
I'm using the UK rom 1.37.405.1

someone1234 said:
hmm i setup my email yesterday and didn't have that problem at all.
I'm using the UK rom 1.37.405.1
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I guess they fixed it between 1.35 and 1.37 ... it is really annoying ....
if anyone has upgraded ... please give me your feedback , I did not see this issue in any other thread.
and is there a solution to this bad 3g reception?

Ajebooo said:
I guess they fixed it between 1.35 and 1.37 ... it is really annoying ....
if anyone has upgraded ... please give me your feedback , I did not see this issue in any other thread.
and is there a solution to this bad 3g reception?
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the 3g reception is OK now , I changed the operator and it worked. strange it works with certain operators only .
left with the hidden letters problem

Official HTC ROM upgrade available.

Check this out, HTC today released an updated ROM for HTC S730!
http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=47&cat=2&dl_id=407
This ROM only seems to fix one bug
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Improved 3G network performance
Sometimes the network signal strength may show good reception but its not possible to call out or receive any phone calls.
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Where is the official WM 6.1 upgrade?

Would be better if they had upgraded it to WM6.1, but at least they are showing some kind of support....

seems they have fixed a non existing problem. (if you would ask me)
How about memory problem? Video driver absense?
gr. Rob

same here. Never had this problem with any rom.
Disappointing.

can anyone upload the Official HTC ROM please!!?!?

is there anyone out who tried this ROM ? brings it improvements about memory-management ? my Wings cannot start Navigon Mobile Navigator because of too few memory.
many thx, Andi

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is there anyone out who tried this ROM ? brings it improvements about memory-management ? my Wings cannot start Navigon Mobile Navigator because of too few memory.
many thx, Andi
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Oxios CloseApp show 18 960 KB. New rom is without change in memory management.

Hi
There isn't coming any 6.1 update for this phone. On the swedish site www.mobil.se there was a couple of weeks ago a chat with Christer Högström from HTC.
I asked him when the 6.1 update was to be released and the answer in swedish was:
"Det var planerat att uppgrader S730 till Wm6.1 men med den minnes kapasitet som finns på produkten blev det lite svårt att ge kunden en bra upplevelse. Där emot kommer vi med en Standard uppdatering till S730 om ca 2 veckor som förbättrar radio stabiliteten."
Quick translation: It was planed to upgrade s730 to WM 6.1 but with the memory capacity on the product it became hard to give the user a decent user experience. But we will come with a standard update that will improve radio stability.
Heres is the chat: http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePages/200810/28/20081028094638_MOB813/20081028094638_MOB813.dbp.asp
Sorry guys!

Only radioversion changed?
Same experience with RAM here. Seems to me they only changed the radioversion and left the ROM unchanged.. Or am I wrong to expect the ROM version being changed when updated?
Seems like the battery-life however is a little extended as far as I can tell from a single day of light/medium usage.

"It was planed to upgrade s730 to WM 6.1 but with the memory capacity on the product it became hard to give the user a decent user experience. But we will come with a standard update that will improve radio stability."
@gnuda: thanks dude. A question obviusly comes out now: "why the memory capacity of S730 is so lacking?" and ofcourse, "why the same memory capacity for S710 is not so lacking?"

hi all how can i get update rom on x02ht i used the rom from wiki but i always get error 207 i tried using xp same thing error 207 update error file currupted
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Drobcek28 said:
Oxios CloseApp show 18 960 KB. New rom is without change in memory management.
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bad news - but thank you for answer. its crazy - my old MTeoR had less RAM and all programms worked perfektly

so, the only changed in this update is radio huh?
for me, at least, the settings screens have changed slightly. seems also to fix the problem it describes with the 3G

No update available on dutch HTC-site
Hi all,
There is still no sign of any Rom-update on the dutch HTC-site...
Maybe they are prepairing it, because the tabs on the site are changed recently..but besides that they only offer some fancy ringtones up till now.
My wings (S730) suffers from the described 3G-problem, is it save to use the UK-version and am i able to change the language/settings to dutch after updating?
My radioversion shows 1.58.17.02 now..

can anyone extract the radio so we could _at_least_ take the benefit of this crappy upgrade?

Basnelders said:
Hi all,
There is still no sign of any Rom-update on the dutch HTC-site...
Maybe they are prepairing it, because the tabs on the site are changed recently..but besides that they only offer some fancy ringtones up till now.
My wings (S730) suffers from the described 3G-problem, is it save to use the UK-version and am i able to change the language/settings to dutch after updating?
My radioversion shows 1.58.17.02 now..
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You can download the upgrade from the worldwide-website (or Europe) and when you've upgraded your device change the language back to Nederlands. Your radioversion will then be 1.60.43.19. It works for me (Dutch too).
Btw I recieved an email from HTC yesterday in which someone from HTC Europe mentioned that a 6.1 ROM upgrade should be available for downloading on the HTC-website that should solve the issue with my pda
Assuming one's talking about the RAM memory-leakage-issue that I emailed them about some time earlier this year, it's a bit of a strange email.
Probably they prefer to the radioversion upgrade which isn't solving the memory-leakage at all.

I'm still wondering what issue this upgrade should address.. afaik anyone in this room has ever suffered issue this update pretend to solve.

at least for me it gives much longer batterylife on 3g networks..
I don't know if that is what it was suppose to fix though :=)

Actually it did solve a lot of things for me. The main problem was that i could not receive/make calls whatsoever. I know due to Vodafone sms that i receive that i missed a call, but phone didnt register, and i couldnt make calls sometimes as well. As far i know it fixed the issue, also the battery life i would too think its better, but still needs to be checked further. Now if somebody could integrate new rom to WM 6.1 it would be awesome.

Wings upgrade
nightcrow said:
You can download the upgrade from the worldwide-website (or Europe) and when you've upgraded your device change the language back to Nederlands. Your radioversion will then be 1.60.43.19. It works for me (Dutch too).
Btw I recieved an email from HTC yesterday in which someone from HTC Europe mentioned that a 6.1 ROM upgrade should be available for downloading on the HTC-website that should solve the issue with my pda
Assuming one's talking about the RAM memory-leakage-issue that I emailed them about some time earlier this year, it's a bit of a strange email.
Probably they prefer to the radioversion upgrade which isn't solving the memory-leakage at all.
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Thanks Nightcrow,
I've tried to download the update, no luck so far because "service unavailable temporarly due to maintenance" on both the Europe and the UK-site
Up to now i've missed a lot of calls due to very low signals on 3G, when i switch back to normal GSM-mode i always have full signal but of course my data connection is limited to GPRS then..
Edit: I just succeeded in downloading and upgrading..the whole weekend i was trying to, but it was a stupid mistake of me (i've included the extra D in my serialnumber, and it was not recognised..)

T-Mobile wm6.1 Update GPS

Hi,
I updated my Kaiser using the official T-Mobile upgrade (German) to WM 6.1. Since then, my GPS is very slow to aquire a first fix. When it's up and running, performance is fine, but time-to-first-fix is three to five minutes, sometimes longer.
This even happens when I exit the GPS program, wait a while, then start it again - TTFF will again be more than three minutes.
QuickGPS is running and reporting its data as current. However, the GPS still appears to "cold start" every time, not even remembering its own previous data. With the previous WM 6.0 startup times were fine while clearly dependand on the actuality of QuickGPS data.
Has anybody else observed this behaviour, and is there a tweak to cure it?
Regs,
150d

Just have a quick search for WM6.1 and GPS. Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it. Maybe your T-Mob ROM is one of them. The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.

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Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
Either the search function doesn't work or it just doesn't like me.
Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it.
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Could you give me a pointer, please?
The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.
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Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
Regs,
150d

150d said:
Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
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OK then, open wide for the train going into the tunnel: [Spoon Feeding Mode]*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?[/Spoon Feeding Mode]
Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
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There is.... leave it on Windows Mobile 6.0 Even the very latest HTC Official TyTN II ROMs for the European and Asian markets have hopeless GPS here in the UK when compared to the one in my sig. I've not tried any custom or operator provided ROMs so cant comment there. I think the first step should be complaining to T-Mobile that their their latest and greatest ROM upgrade actually broke your GPS and asking them for a solution (if you don't have the original ROM/ability to revert it yourself). If they claim to not know anything about this issue, you can tell them how you found out that it's a common problem.

How to tweak to the maximum the Kaiser GPS?

Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!

This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
<long tales of perserverance snipped>
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.

I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.

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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again

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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).

I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.

WM 6.1 GPS - standard stuff
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I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.

I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
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I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
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I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that

Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom