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Device as card reader

I'm sure this has probably come up before but I just can't find a relevant thread, so:
On my last device (Mio a701), you could switch it to 'card reader' mode and it just acted as a USB card reader and didn't fire up active sync when you connect it. Can this be done with the Kaiser?
TIA

you are probably thinking of wm5storage. however, wm5storage doesnt work with the kaiser......it needs a little trick to get it to work, search the forums for it.

murf62 said:
I'm sure this has probably come up before but I just can't find a relevant thread, so:
On my last device (Mio a701), you could switch it to 'card reader' mode and it just acted as a USB card reader and didn't fire up active sync when you connect it. Can this be done with the Kaiser?
TIA
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Look at Softick's Card Export
This is a commercial product, but I found it more reliable than WM5storage

Actually WM5Storage does work, but it needs a few of the better USB drivers from CE2.
You can install CE2 trial & the free WM5Storage and the the WM5STorage will work. (even when the CE2 trial period ends) This is a little fix for the cheapskates of the world
I myself use card export2.

Many thanks for the replies, I will give Card Export a go.
The Mio one was a part of the Mio Utility that came pre installed. It's the only thing I have missed after upgrading to the Kaiser.

How to access the storage card as USB device from the pc?

Maybe a basic question, but i cannot find how...
How to access the storage card as USB device from the pc? I want to be able to copy information directly. I have a 2gb card and i being using an adaptor without problem, but the 8gb seems not to be working with the adaptor...
so, how i can do that? do i have to install any special software?
Thank you

Your adapter doesn't work with the 8GB card cause it is SDHC and the adapter isn't.
Search for Card Export in the forum and you will find what you are looking for...
Edit: Or WM5torage
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349143&highlight=WM5torage

Well thats not really answering the question now is it?
You should (hopefully) be able to do this through "My Computer", look for the mobile device icon, (green and looks like a pda) double click it, then double click it again and you should have all the folders from the root of your device, including Storage Card.
Make sure you check that location after you have synced. If you use something other then XP, I think you just get mic and speak into it saying (very slowly)
"please show me the storage card on my supercool phone"
That is all.

ChumleyEX said:
Well thats not really answering the question now is it?
You should (hopefully) be able to do this through "My Computer", look for the mobile device icon, (green and looks like a pda) double click it, then double click it again and you should have all the folders from the root of your device, including Storage Card.
Make sure you check that location after you have synced. If you use something other then XP, I think you just get mic and speak into it saying (very slowly)
"please show me the storage card on my supercool phone"
That is all.
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Thank you Chumley. Yes, this was the answer...
My computer/Mobile Device/My Windows Mobile-Based Device/Storage Card
I was looking for this in the wrong place...

How safe is data on MicroSD/SDHC?

Every once in a while I'm having the same sort of problem whith my storage card, whether it's MiniSD, MicroSD or SDHC. To be more precise some/all files disappear leaving nothing but some bloody FILE*.CHK files, which seem to be completely useless. I did some google-search and there seems to be no practical way of retrieving the lost data.
I'm curious: why is it happening in the first place and has anyone been successful in combatting this issue? (don't tell me about backups )

I have yet to have a problem with the mem card in my Kaiser. it is a 6Gb Sandisk. Do you have an off-brand?
My old HTC Sable had issues like you describe...

arent .chk files left over by scandisk on a windows box?
this could be due to not ejecting the hardware before removing it from the pc!
under what circumstances are you experiencing this

Yes when combatting this issue I find that handguns are useless and shotguns are all the rage. When trying to do the official combat I like to taunt the problem a bit with the pistol (which just makes it mad) and then go all out with the shot gun. It's always good to have someone else at your side with a missle launcher or something, ya know, for the hardcore combat.

.CHK files are recovered file fragments from Scandisk. I would try a low level format of your SD card and then reformat as FAT32 (for the love of ____, do not use NTFS). NTFS is not designed for removable media and will give you nothing but headaches.

How do you low level an SD card. You only really hear about that with SCSI drives now days, Or do you mean a full format?

im not sure that the post that says dont format ur sd card as ntfs is accurate, while it may be true that a windows mobile device will probably not recognise this disc at all, i use an sd card formatted as ntfs in a laptop with no problems!
try hdtune @ www.hdtune.com/ this might be useful!

ChumleyEX said:
How do you low level an SD card. You only really hear about that with SCSI drives now days, Or do you mean a full format?
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You can use an SD card reader with a PC and use a program such as Boot/Nuke to do a DoD-certified erase of the contents.
andaroo said:
im not sure that the post that says dont format ur sd card as ntfs is accurate, while it may be true that a windows mobile device will probably not recognise this disc at all, i use an sd card formatted as ntfs in a laptop with no problems!
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You can format removable media with NTFS, but you need to be extremely careful since NTFS is constantly caching data from the drive. Unless you disable write-back caching or eject the card each time prior to removing it (which cannot be done on a phone), you run a high risk of corrupting the data on it.

The problem with NTFS on removable media seems to be a windows issue. Not sure if that is windows mobile as well but it also seems to be fixed in a service pack. If I were having problems I wouldn't be using something with user rights and permissions on a device that does nothing with that.

motocrossmann said:
I have yet to have a problem with the mem card in my Kaiser. it is a 6Gb Sandisk. Do you have an off-brand?
My old HTC Sable had issues like you describe...
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It's Sandisk SDHC 4GB

This is why I released my new software SD Sync Any Kaiser users tried it already? Currently only One way Sync (PPC -> Desktop) happens..
Regards,
Carty..

andaroo said:
arent .chk files left over by scandisk on a windows box?
this could be due to not ejecting the hardware before removing it from the pc!
under what circumstances are you experiencing this
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Forgot to mention when trying to fix this I used the windows disc-check utility, but initially problem started after I installed one of the games (Tomb Rider I think) and the battery power was down to 2-3% when I turned my Kaiser off. I couldn't access the programm files folder from ppc, and it was empty when I opened it on pc...except there was tombrider.exe left...

NotATreoFan said:
.CHK files are recovered file fragments from Scandisk. I would try a low level format of your SD card and then reformat as FAT32 (for the love of ____, do not use NTFS). NTFS is not designed for removable media and will give you nothing but headaches.
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Hmmm, interestingly it doesn't display the file system in the properties menu like it would for the hard drives... but I'm pretty sure I didn't format the card...unless was formatted NTFS when first inserted in a device...

ChumleyEX said:
Yes when combatting this issue I find that handguns are useless and shotguns are all the rage. When trying to do the official combat I like to taunt the problem a bit with the pistol (which just makes it mad) and then go all out with the shot gun. It's always good to have someone else at your side with a missle launcher or something, ya know, for the hardcore combat.
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Great job that you know all this stuff...must have used it alot coz you sound quite like a specialist
You might have forgotten to mention granades - there are different types of them like smoke granades or even those which can kill (OMG!) someone...that kind of stuff...

User X said:
Hmmm, interestingly it doesn't display the file system in the properties menu like it would for the hard drives... but I'm pretty sure I didn't format the card...unless was formatted NTFS when first inserted in a device...
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If you didn't format it, then it would be FAT32 formatted by default.

Extensive application in MicroSD
User X said:
Forgot to mention when trying to fix this I used the windows disc-check utility, but initially problem started after I installed one of the games (Tomb Rider I think) and the battery power was down to 2-3% when I turned my Kaiser off. I couldn't access the programm files folder from ppc, and it was empty when I opened it on pc...except there was tombrider.exe left...
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You installed the games in the MicroSD, right?
I experienced it twice, sorted out that it happens when I'm using an application that installed in the MicroSD and then turned the device off. The strange thing that it is only occurred when using a large sized and resource extensive application (especially games), it doesn't happen when using light application such as YahooGo!, MapKing, etc. I end up to install all apps in main memory, and lived peacefully (finger crossed)
I hoped someone could explain why this happen, even better cured it
Regards,
Jeffry

Saving data from *.CHK
User X said:
Every once in a while I'm having the same sort of problem whith my storage card, whether it's MiniSD, MicroSD or SDHC. To be more precise some/all files disappear leaving nothing but some bloody FILE*.CHK files, which seem to be completely useless. I did some google-search and there seems to be no practical way of retrieving the lost data.
I'm curious: why is it happening in the first place and has anyone been successful in combatting this issue? (don't tell me about backups )
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Actually you still can save your files, it still there just with mixed up name and extention
1. Sort the file by it's file size, you could get an idea what file it was by it's size
2. Change the file extention according to what you think it supposed to be judging by its size, ie:
small file to *.txt and open it with notepad, read what's in it and change it to what it's supposed to be .pwi, .xls, etc
2 - 6 MB files to *.mp3
etc
I know it's painful especially with my 2GB data, also you cannot saved your application this way, but I saved my most recent and important data this way, for the rest I just have to satisfy with my 1 month old backup
If anyone could suggest better way, pleaseee let me know

Just happen again
[email protected]!!! me and my big mouth... it just happen again this morning, same thing, install app in storage card, device turned off and wham!
But this time I did some googling and found this utility really helpfull
http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
Well, anyone could explain what caused it and how to prevent it?
Any information will be appreciated
Thanks

jeffry_p said:
You installed the games in the MicroSD, right?
I experienced it twice, sorted out that it happens when I'm using an application that installed in the MicroSD and then turned the device off. The strange thing that it is only occurred when using a large sized and resource extensive application (especially games)...
Jeffry
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Yes mate! Sounds very much like what happened here - after intstalling Tomb Rider (4-6MB) in the MicroSD I launched it and then soft reset - my program files vanished...And I dont think I could do anything about that, the .CHK files I got after running the checkdisc utility were all the same size - 32kb, something to do with the cluster size I think...
I guess the question of the cause and the way to prevent it remains open...

Bump
No one can help?
Anyone also experienced this problem? Please tell us your experience, who know we could sort out something
Thanks

to much to ask?

i along with several other noobs would like to try the newest roms but,everything is lzx. through sd card i have reformatted and everything else one would need to do. is it to much to ask to get some .nbh files upload if it is too much work just let me know i will understand just want to try out all these new rom that are helping keep this wing alive...... p.s that cab. file fix for opera mobile has that worked for anyone? it didnt for me... thanks in advance

Okay, so what are you saying? You formatted your SD card and it doesn't work or something? Did you format it as FAT32 under Windows? Did you rename the file to HERAIMG.nbh? Did you press and hold the camera button? Im thinking that you didn't.

If you're trying to flash through sd, and it's not working, you either missed something or did something wrong, period.

LOL
I can;t take you seriously with the smoking obama

You Must Be HardSPL First! See Here
1. Download the ROM you want to Flash
2. Rename the _______.nbh to HERAIMG.nbh ( ____ being whatever it was named first )
3. Format your sd card in FAT32 ( can't be sdhc, smaller cards work better )
- you can format your sd with a card reader on your computer
- or you can find resco explorer and format it on your phone
- if either doesn't work skip this step and see what happens
4. Place the HERAIMG.nbh onto your hopefully reformatted sd card. ( keep it in the root directory don't put it in a folder)
5. Make sure your phone is off and your sd card is in
6. Press and hold the power button and while holding it press and hold the camera button
7. When asked to press a button press down on the volume strip.
8. you'll get a progress bar leave it alone until there's only a gradient screen ( around 5min) then restart.
If for some reason this doesn't work, start back at step one and try again.
If for some reason the second time doesn't work get a cheap sd card and try with that one.

nic3a said:
I can;t take you seriously with the smoking obama
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Good, it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Off-topic here, but I'm in OR too, what city are you in?

tonyc0642 said:
Good, it's not meant to be taken seriously.
Off-topic here, but I'm in OR too, what city are you in?
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Salem
silly "your message is too short needs to be 10 characters" there more then 10

Wierd, I'm in So-Lame too. I live by the Walmart on South Commercial. Small world.

lmao dang yeah no kidding small world there's like nothing to do here too except bars, but we all know how long money lasts these days.
I live over by state and market lol I'll probably run into you sometime lol.
Since I got you here lol any idea how to get my wing to get internet through the active sync?

nic3a said:
lmao dang yeah no kidding small world there's like nothing to do here too except bars, but we all know how long money lasts these days.
I live over by state and market lol I'll probably run into you sometime lol.
Since I got you here lol any idea how to get my wing to get internet through the active sync?
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State and Market, that's a classy part of town lol. Rents cheap though. Yeah not much to do here, at least I got xda
What do you mean by get internet through activesync? Like still be able to connect to edge on your phone or do you mean internet sharing or something?

the internet pass through, where you connect to your computer with activesync and your phone shares the computers internet connection.

nic3a said:
the internet pass through, where you connect to your computer with activesync and your phone shares the computers internet connection.
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...at first i was a little confused, but i think i know what your saying
using the phones internet on your computer right?
if thats the case you want "internet sharing" you can get it somewheres here or thewingster.com
i use internet sharing on my comp from time to time, but tmobiles GPRS is just sooo slow, if you really need internet go for it

Yeah it's like dial-up slow, but it does work in a pinch. But if you're wanting to use your PC's internet connection for your phone, I couldn't find much. There's something like that for Symbian, but not really windows mobile.

bishoprnpb said:
i along with several other noobs would like to try the newest roms but,everything is lzx. through sd card i have reformatted and everything else one would need to do. is it to much to ask to get some .nbh files upload if it is too much work just let me know i will understand just want to try out all these new rom that are helping keep this wing alive...... p.s that cab. file fix for opera mobile has that worked for anyone? it didnt for me... thanks in advance
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I blame the SD card and the education system... SD card could not be hard spl worthy or something, try a different card I say 2 gb or less, SDHC cards don't work for some reason

Dr.Gonz0 said:
I blame the SD card and the education system... SD card could not be hard spl worthy or something, try a different card I say 2 gb or less, SDHC cards don't work for some reason
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Yeah definitely 2GB OR LESS, NOT SDHC. Everyone that puts up directions to flash seems to keep forgetting to note that part.

the only thing that i havent tried nor have i seen anything about is the step... to turn phone off, then hold power botton while pressing camera botton.i will try that.. thanks for the info i didnt mean to come off like a ass..my bad

hey guys i covered that in my steps give me some credit.
and about the passthrough. i have a dash and when you connect to the computer my dash uses my computers internet, im wondering why i can;t do that with my wing?

the thing is i have a 2g sd card now i have heard of the term "partioning" a portion of your sd card for flashing.does anyone have steps for it? thats what i might need and if that doesnt work i'll just wait for the next signed_ruu file through active sync.

You can try to partition your SD and have part of it FAT or NTFS and the other FAT32 for flashing purposes, but I would not recommend it. Just do this, connect your SD card to your PC some way, copy everything on it to your desktop, then format the card to FAT32 and install as normal. If you partition your card I do not know wether the bootloader of the phone is smart enough to search for a FAT32 partition or if it expects the entire sd:/ disk to be FAT32.

I've never tried partitioning. I always use a 2gb Kingston and format the entire card to FAT32, and I've never had any issues flashing. That is the method I recommend.

dumb me or computer

OK im tired of looking i am trying to load a new rom but coming into some wierd issues and cant seem to find a solution i do a wipe then do a fat32/ext3/swap format right from my boot loader screen. then pull my battery pull my memory card stick into my computer. but here is where the problem starts my computer says the card isnt formatted and wants to reformat but with no partions. i have been hunting for sometime now and cant seem to figuire it out. please help i know this is probaly easy for most but i have no clue.

Have you tried another sd card? Is your card reader locked(SD card reader)? Do you have any FAT32 memory on the sd card?

protomanez said:
Have you tried another sd card? Is your card reader locked(SD card reader)? Do you have any FAT32 memory on the sd card?
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i am trying a new memory card right now, my card reader isn't locked and i don't believe there is any fat32 memory left on it.

What recovery image are you using? Some of them will allow you to mount the sd card whilst in your phone as it is in recovery mode (home+power). If you have one that allows you to do that you can format the card and just plug your phone in to the computer and transfer what you need that way.

autoadhd said:
my computer says the card isnt formatted and wants to reformat but with no partions.
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Thats windoze, means dumb you AND computer.

lbcoder said:
Thats windoze, means dumb you AND computer.
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Well thanks for your great input. How could i have gone on so long without your guidance. i love people like you who get all high and mighty on their computers and think cause some one isn't so knowledgeable as you are that they shouldn't really be in an area that you coincide. Well i sure hope there may not be some matter of your life where i might be able to actually help you cause my good will and natural wanting to help my fellow man,might inspire you to either look at yourself and wanna change for the best or go jump off a bridge cause you realize that you may never change.

The Sleeve said:
What recovery image are you using? Some of them will allow you to mount the sd card whilst in your phone as it is in recovery mode (home+power). If you have one that allows you to do that you can format the card and just plug your phone in to the computer and transfer what you need that way.
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Thanks i haven't tried that and honestly i couldn't tell you which recovery image i have. I had someone root my phone for me cause i didn't feel i was up for the task.

This is the last time I'll ever try to help you out.
Get off your "bill gayes is god" box and accept that you need to use the RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB.
MS is OPENLY HOSTILE to everything that is NOT MS.
And you are trying to make a filesystem layout that is a hybrid of MS and NOT-MS.
It asks you to format filesystems because it is DESIGNED TO DESTROY EVERYTHING that is NOT MS.
The solution: Don't use MS!!!

lbcoder said:
This is the last time I'll ever try to help you out.
Get off your "bill gayes is god" box and accept that you need to use the RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB.
MS is OPENLY HOSTILE to everything that is NOT MS.
And you are trying to make a filesystem layout that is a hybrid of MS and NOT-MS.
It asks you to format filesystems because it is DESIGNED TO DESTROY EVERYTHING that is NOT MS.
The solution: Don't use MS!!!
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fine all hostility aside. then why does it work when using two other windows based xp running computers? there has to be something other than its windows. Correct me if im wrong but aren't all computer systems based of linex code one way or another?

you are the sh*t
The Sleeve said:
What recovery image are you using? Some of them will allow you to mount the sd card whilst in your phone as it is in recovery mode (home+power). If you have one that allows you to do that you can format the card and just plug your phone in to the computer and transfer what you need that way.
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Thank you thank you that is it! it worked thanks!

autoadhd said:
fine all hostility aside. then why does it work when using two other windows based xp running computers? there has to be something other than its windows. Correct me if im wrong but aren't all computer systems based of linex code one way or another?
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NO. (Period)...
I'll bet both Torvolds and Gates got a cold shiver running up their necks.

autoadhd said:
Correct me if im wrong but aren't all computer systems based of linex code one way or another?
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What's a "linex"?
(I know, that was a typo... linux.)
But AAAAHHH, holy crap! There sure shouldn't be.
Note: The answer is that there is TONS of linux in Windoze.... Including big long branches of code stolen verbatim. It is totally illegal and is a strict violation of the GPL license protecting the linux source code.
Once in a while we get PROOF that MS has stolen linux code... and it results in a complicated set of denials, but ultimately MS is forced to comply with the GPL license in these cases.
http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/11/06/microsoft-lifts-gpl-code-uses-in-microsoft-store-tool/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10397607-56.html

lbcoder said:
What's a "linex"?
(I know, that was a typo... linux.)
But AAAAHHH, holy crap! There sure shouldn't be.
Note: The answer is that there is TONS of linux in Windoze.... Including big long branches of code stolen verbatim. It is totally illegal and is a strict violation of the GPL license protecting the linux source code.
Once in a while we get PROOF that MS has stolen linux code... and it results in a complicated set of denials, but ultimately MS is forced to comply with the GPL license in these cases.
http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/11/06/microsoft-lifts-gpl-code-uses-in-microsoft-store-tool/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10397607-56.html
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oh ha didnt know that computers aren't my thing cars on the other hand can't get enough thanks for the info