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Tmobile 3G is up, anyone used it

anyone, post your opinion on it and how its working
Tmobile 3G
New York for now
Running on 1700 uplink and 2100 downlink
page with info, not much
http://www.phonemag.com/t-mobile-3g-its-alive-052654.php
ps. post the device that you used

I'm in NYC, have a TyTnII on T-mobile using Dutty's 6.1 and not picking it up...
Still getting Edge network.

I think this is because UMTS 1700 is not a band option in the phone settings in this rom.
I am hoping that someone can confirm or deny this for me.

I don't have it, but a colleague of mine has it and enjoys it. He says it's much better than the old network.

I'm in NYC, have a TyTnII on T-mobile using Dutty's 6.1 and not picking it up...
Still getting Edge network.
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its also that the system is not letting the 3g icon to come up or something like that
I don't have it, but a colleague of mine has it and enjoys it. He says it's much better than the old network.
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what device does he have?

T-Mobile's 3G uses the AWS spectrum (1700MHz/2100MHz), which isn't compatible with ANY Windows Mobile devices, AFAIK. So we're pretty SOL for now.

so that would mean that for people on tmobile, will have to buy new devices

Diamond & ATT

I couldn't help myself. This phone seems perfect so i ordered a diamond that will arrive tommorow. Now my question is if anyone thinks the bands for US are present and need to be unlocked or if this will end up on ebay . Thanks!

There's several topics about it there.
You won't get any 3G in the US with it, and you'll only be able to use the 1900 band for voice/GPRS/EDGE.

Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.

You just said i was incorrect and correct in the same paragraph lol
This is where all the confusion starts.. For GSM/GPRS/EDGE it does 900/1800/1900 MHz - only 1900 would work in the US. For UMTS (3G) it only does 900/2100 - neither of these frequencies are used in the US.
The protocols and modulation used are completly different for GSM/GPRS/EDGE vs UMTS. The dispersal of uplink and downlink frequencies is completly different. Just because it can do 1900 for GSM doesnt mean it should do 1900 UMTS.
mobilitytoday said:
Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?

mobilitytoday said:
So why wouldnt I get Edge? I have had triband phones before i.e HTC 8525 that worked ?
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You should get edge. Edge is an extention of GPRS but requires a different BTS (radio tower) setup. Its possible you don't have a strong enough signal, but it sounds like your confident you should have edge in that area.
The only thing i can suggest it to try in a different area - like the centre of town. Also, confirm your APN is setup corectly, the [G] may just be telling you GPRS is available, but not that you can attach.

I know with my elfin it takes a little stronger signal to initiate the Edge icon the first time (ie. after a hard reset). I can't get an edge signal inside my office but once I walk outside for a minute or two, bam I have it. Then when I go inside I still have it.

mobilitytoday said:
Actually you are incorrect. 1900 Mhz is supported w/3G w/AT&T in certain areas. Unfortunately my Diamond is not even getting an EDGE connection. From what I am hearing the Diamond is only supporting 2100Mhz frequency w/3G according to HTC. Which to me makes no sense.. I am blogging my experience with it as it is the first production unit in the USA.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area

The platform in the phone can support all those bands, so you might be able to see them (like in the test rom) but the antennas are not there. So you won't actually be able to pick up a signal.
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Diamond had UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900),UMTS(800+2100),UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800),UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800) and UMTS(1700) depend what rom you had in your Diamond and where you bought your Diamond , At&T should be show 3G in US and T-mobile used 3G (1700 Mhz) in New York area
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I guess all of us US early adopters must hope the hardware is there and can be enabled with a future flash.

T-mobile in the US uses 1900mhz for GSM/Edge and only has 3g in NYC, so I'm figuring that it's a cool stop-gap device until something is available for T-mobile 3G.

so anyone have the rom that had thoose bands....

confused
so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?

On AT&T it will give you only GPRS! On Tmobile (NEW) it shows EDGE!! I dont understand this at all!

Praygo said:
so im a little confused.... If I buy a diamond on ebay, it wont work in the US? or 3g just wont work? does the diamond accept a sim card?
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Voice and EDGE will work just fine as long as you are in a major area that uses 1900 band. You might have weak or no signal when you are in smaller rural areas since those usually extend into the 850 band.
You will not be able to use 3G since the Diamond only supports 900/2100, neither of which are used by AT&T

It looks like if you have ATT you are hosed for both voice and data, as most of ATT voice and data (Edge) is 850mhz. Most if not all of T-mobile voice-data-Edge is 1900mhz so you will have at least Edge. If you're looking for 3g data you're SOL until the US version of the diamond is released.

this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well

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this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.

martyotaku said:
this fn blows htc has really screwed us here in usa...i was willing to spend 800 for this device and htc doesnt even see this? by the time it comes out here in quadband ...the x1 will be out and not mention the 3g iphone...oh well
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I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Praygo said:
We will get the diamond, have to wait for the US version that does the different bands.... wich leads me to my next question. What carrier do you think will get the diamond??? AT&T seems to get all the cool stuff.
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Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).

AGREED 100%!! I have been saying this on my podcast for quite a while.. It is a huge mistake. I am now saying since I just received my Diamond that I took one for the team.. I will post my review as the days go by...
SIGHHHH
Dark Fire said:
I don't think HTC cares about America too much any more because it's iPhone territory. As they haven't used their own branding until recently, I think HTC are looking to gain market control and loyalty, and that's easiest where the iPhone hasn't been a huge success.
Again, HTC seem to like doing exactly what Apple are not doing, so they may go for multiple carriers. As far as I'm aware the Touch Diamond, and its branded versions, are launching on every network in the UK. That's the complete opposite of Apple's 'one network per country' policy, and they consequently seem to have dropped it (for example, in Italy).
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[Q] Problem with Data Service on my newly unlocked Vibrant

Sorry up front - I'm a phone noob. I bought this beautiful Galaxy S Vibrant in the US that was locked to the T-Mobile network ... I went ahead and unlocked it using the simple little unlock utility found via this site (woohoo!).
I took the phone into Telus and Rogers and both were unable to get the data service (internet/etc) to work on the phone. Voice calls seem to work fine, the phone call receive and send calls ... but no data service! It just says it's unavailable.
Is there something that can be done? I'd really like to be able to get this phone up and running on a Canadian network.

dkofoed said:
Sorry up front - I'm a phone noob. I bought this beautiful Galaxy S Vibrant in the US that was locked to the T-Mobile network ... I went ahead and unlocked it using the simple little unlock utility found via this site (woohoo!).
I took the phone into Telus and Rogers and both were unable to get the data service (internet/etc) to work on the phone. Voice calls seem to work fine, the phone call receive and send calls ... but no data service! It just says it's unavailable.
Is there something that can be done? I'd really like to be able to get this phone up and running on a Canadian network.
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Telus and Rogers both use the WCDMA 850MHZ bands for 3G data in most areas and 1900MHZ in large cities. The T-Mobile vibrant doesn't support 850MHZ. If you live in Canada, you should return the phone...

dkofoed said:
Sorry up front - I'm a phone noob. I bought this beautiful Galaxy S Vibrant in the US that was locked to the T-Mobile network ... I went ahead and unlocked it using the simple little unlock utility found via this site (woohoo!).
I took the phone into Telus and Rogers and both were unable to get the data service (internet/etc) to work on the phone. Voice calls seem to work fine, the phone call receive and send calls ... but no data service! It just says it's unavailable.
Is there something that can be done? I'd really like to be able to get this phone up and running on a Canadian network.
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It should be possible, I've read many people doing. I'm a noob myself when it comes to this, but try checking your APN settings... you may have to manually change them to get it to work...

crap ... what about Bell or Fido? same thing as Rogers/Telus regarding the band issue?

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crap ... what about Bell or Fido? same thing as Rogers/Telus regarding the band issue?
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Yes, nearly all providers in Canada use this band.. I think your only chance is Wind Mobile if you're in Ontario.

Electroz said:
Yes, nearly all providers in Canada use this band.. I think your only chance is Wind Mobile if you're in Ontario.
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Wind Mobile is in Vancouver too, but I think the only difference between Wind and Rogers/Fido/Bell/Telus is that they use the 1700 band instead of 1900.

Wind Mobile
uses both 1700 and 2100 bands in Canada (well Toronto & GTA, not sure about other provinces)

From Wikipedia:
Wind Mobile is licensed to use the UMTS IV frequency band, also known as Advanced Wireless Services (AWS). Using this band, user equipment transmits at 1710–1755 MHz, and receives at 2110–2155 MHz.
Wind Mobile is the first Canadian wireless service provider to make use of the AWS spectrum for its network. In North America, T-Mobile USA is the only other provider to use this spectrum on a large scale. Wind's use of AWS requires that customers use an AWS-capable handset.
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So, to make a long story short... The T-Mobile Vibrant uses the "1700/2100 MHz" 3G bands, while Wind Mobile is the only carrier in Canada supporting these frequencies.

[Q] Will HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) work in India for 3G?

Hello All,
I have brought an unlocked HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) from USA and according to the specs given at HTC US site, It says that it supports UMTS 2100 and AWS 1700/2100 band for 3G.
Can anyone confirm on having used HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) in India on Tata DoCoMo or BSNL network for 3G?
Thanks
Shaju

well, i already bought mine from us and i use it in Saudi Arabia with no problems at all with 3g, just to be sure contact your telecom company and ask them if it is supported or not.
regards

Theoretically, yes, it should work.
I'll be giving it a shot on Vodafone (in Mumbai) once they launch their 3G service, shortly, but if anyone else has confirmation, that'd be great to know.

Hello saud_19, what is 3g band used by your service provider? Is it UMTS 2100 or AWS 1700/2100?
Thanks,
Shaju

well Shaju, unfortunately i am not sure but i think it is 2100.
: )

shajus said:
Hello All,
I have brought an unlocked HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) from USA and according to the specs given at HTC US site, It says that it supports UMTS 2100 and AWS 1700/2100 band for 3G.
Can anyone confirm on having used HTC HD7 (T-Mobile) in India on Tata DoCoMo or BSNL network for 3G?
Thanks
Shaju
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Hey Shaju,
Did u try the HTC HD7 bought in US? Did it work? Did u face any issues?
Regards
Ananth

Most likely you wont get much out of your HD7 cellphone in india..
you will be combarded with spam because thats where all the marketing place is ring ring and they spam you with advertice. Infact indian doesnt have the best coverage at all... its a poor country to beging with.
Its best you buy a phone that works in your town and that make sure it has coverage all over with your local provider.

sandrax2020 said:
Most likely you wont get much out of your HD7 cellphone in india..
you will be combarded with spam because thats where all the marketing place is ring ring and they spam you with advertice. Infact indian doesnt have the best coverage at all... its a poor country to beging with.
Its best you buy a phone that works in your town and that make sure it has coverage all over with your local provider.
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First of all lemme tell you all, that HD7 works great in India, got hold of one in Nov last year and have been using it with impressive results.
There are some issues with the marketplace, but a workaround is available.
Secondly about India being poor, I guess this is not the forum to take offense, to what clearly is OFFENSIVE.
3g services are lagging, as its still in a nascent stage. I'm getting between decent to good speeds on Airtel 3g in Delhi
Cheers

sandrax2020 said:
Most likely you wont get much out of your HD7 cellphone in india..
you will be combarded with spam because thats where all the marketing place is ring ring and they spam you with advertice. Infact indian doesnt have the best coverage at all... its a poor country to beging with.
Its best you buy a phone that works in your town and that make sure it has coverage all over with your local provider.
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Dumb-ass ignoramus comments.
A TMOUS HD7 will get 3G on 2100 band.

Great, this means I won't regret my impulse buy of a TMOUS HD7 last week.

It works too where I live, we a UMTS 2100 network. But speed sucks!! think it does not support hsdpa speeds on UMTS 2100 networks cuz mine cant get pass 35KB/s download speed

[Q] Will a T-Mobile Nexus One get 3g in UK?

I have the T-Mobile N1 (1700/2100 I believe) and was wondering if it would get 3g on any service provider in the UK, and if so what service provider(s) will it work on? Any help would be appreciated, thanks

Yes, your Nexus One is fully compatible with all GSM/UMTS providers in Europe - you won't have to worry about supported frequencies.

so I'll get 3g on all of them as opposed to edge?

Yes, you will be able to get UMTS ("3G") reception wherever it is available and will be able to use the faster data standards HSDPA and HSUPA on your Nexus One, just like with T-Mobile US, on all networks.

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Yes, you will be able to get UMTS ("3G") reception wherever it is available and will be able to use the faster data standards HSDPA and HSUPA on your Nexus One, just like with T-Mobile US, on all networks.
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that's great. thank you so much for the reply

I know you've got your answer now but just so you're certain I live in England and bought my N1 back in January, straight from America on their T-Mobile network. Been using both Orange UK and GiffGaff (on O2 network) since then for 3G without a problem.

cool. thanks for confirming this