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This is the most appropriate location I could find to post this, as I have three HTC devices (8525, TyTN 2, and Advantage) so I thought I would start here.
Issue:
I can no longer connect to my Slingbox on my home network when using my MediaNet (wap.cingular) connection on the TyTN 2 or the Advantage.
Error Message: Cannot connect using these settings. But email and web work from the MediaNet settings, so I am fairly certain the configuration is correct.
Facts:
- The connection works over Wifi on either HTC device, so I know my Slingplayer Mobile settings (Finder ID, etc.) are correct.
- The connection works using a Verzion Motorola Q. My corporate VPN connection also does not work with AT&T, but does on the Q through Verzion.
Conclusion:
AT&T has (or did) make changes to the proxy used which prevents services running on certain ports from working correctly.
Question:
Is anyone else having problems connecting to their Slingbox? If you can connect, what settings are you using?
Additionally, could someone please explain the differences between the wap.cingular and isp.cingular settings? Do you have to use isp.cingular to get VPN and other advanced services to work? If so, what is the minimum data plan you must subscribe to with AT&T to be able to do so?
Thanks in advance,
Rob
I cant say why you are having issues. My Slingbox connection works fine (actually much better than fine) via my Kaiser on AT&T with MediaNet. It works better than it ever did with my 8525. I do notice that I do have 2 separate Connections, one for MEdiaNet and the other called "My ISP" which both point to the same wap.cingular APN. Not sure why I have 2, but everything works fine. The MediaNet one is "hidden" and I can't change it. The My ISP one is visible, but I don't want to delete it since everything seems to work fine. It just switches between them (albeit unnecessarily) to make things work when needed.
Furthermore, I am using wap.cingular exclusively. If you do connect to a VPN, you must use isp.cingular. The normal MediaMax, MediaNet and smartphone plans give you wap.cingular. The PDA plans give you isp.cingular. Blackberry plans may give you neither (they go to blackberry.net).
Thanks
Can I ask what port # you are using for your Slingbox? I am using 5001 for one of mine. Did you have to make a rule entry in your router or firewall? I am just trying to determine why suddenly I cannot connect. I am going to pop my SIM card back into my 8525 when I get home and check it again. The last time I tried it on the 8525 it worked. The trouble is, there aren't a lot of changes to make. it's pretty much wap.cingular and the password.
Thanks, and if you think of anything else, please let me know.
Rob
my slingbox works just fine on att. WHen i had the isp.cingular it did not. i had to change it to wap.cingular to get it to work.
Hmmm, don't know th eport off hand, but I want to say i'm justusing the default.
Did you upgrade to the new Slingbox firmware the past couple of days?
I did and could not connect. I called Slingmedia and they told me they had some issus with the new firmware and UpnP settngs in some routers.
I had to go into the Slingbox settings on the desktop PC and manually open the port in the router. If you call them they will take you step by sep
I had the same problem it took me 10 hrs to finally find the answer. It has nothing to do with your port your finder ID at all. like the a previous stated you need to use a different connection setting to use slingbox. Use or create the my isp connection. the only difference is one use proxy settings and one does not. to be honest i just deleted the media net profile and used my isp exclusively. the only problem is medianet keeps showing up in my connection settings. the medianet setting can also screw with push email retrieval
Thanks so much NJXBEAN! I could NOT get Slingplayer to connect until I made that change in the modem settings. It works great now!
-Jerry
Proxy was blocking me...
After experimenting with mine further, I was FINALLY able to connect by unchecking the "use proxy server" setting on my unlocked Kaiser. I wonder if the AT&T "Tilt" build of the OS will even allow this?
AT&T Tilt and Slingbox
Right out of the box, Slingplayer worked on my Tilt. I made no changes to the proxy settings.
I have the media net unlimited plan.
It could be a firewall issue. If the connection you have is listed as "Connects to the Internet" it'll block some ports. If you have Connects to Work, it'll open all ports.
I just just want to say that you guys are great! I had a problem with sling, researched on it here, and found the problem without asking..People, u gotta love it!!!!!!
rtsrob said:
This is the most appropriate location I could find to post this, as I have three HTC devices (8525, TyTN 2, and Advantage) so I thought I would start here.
Issue:
I can no longer connect to my Slingbox on my home network when using my MediaNet (wap.cingular) connection on the TyTN 2 or the Advantage.
Error Message: Cannot connect using these settings. But email and web work from the MediaNet settings, so I am fairly certain the configuration is correct.
Facts:
- The connection works over Wifi on either HTC device, so I know my Slingplayer Mobile settings (Finder ID, etc.) are correct.
- The connection works using a Verzion Motorola Q. My corporate VPN connection also does not work with AT&T, but does on the Q through Verzion.
Conclusion:
AT&T has (or did) make changes to the proxy used which prevents services running on certain ports from working correctly.
Question:
Is anyone else having problems connecting to their Slingbox? If you can connect, what settings are you using?
Additionally, could someone please explain the differences between the wap.cingular and isp.cingular settings? Do you have to use isp.cingular to get VPN and other advanced services to work? If so, what is the minimum data plan you must subscribe to with AT&T to be able to do so?
Thanks in advance,
Rob
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have you found a fix, i have the x7500 and my slingbox worked fine at first then after a couple of months it just stopped and i could not receive email either, i found a workaround for the email but i have not found a work around for the slingbox.
P.S. i recored myself talking to an at&t rep you should listen to what he says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h40AMIyc_yM
Found a Fix
It cannot connect to isp.cingular, you need to ADD wap.cingular apn to your network settings.
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It cannot connect to isp.cingular, you need to ADD wap.cingular apn to your network settings.
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If you just make your default connection Media Net it's already going to be set for wap.cingular
isp.cingular is the default only if you have it set to use ATT ISP as your connection.
Wow, I want slingbox now. I didn't even think of it working on my Tilt....is the data transfer extreme????????
Just got my Tilt last week, and of course had to upgrade to PDA Personal Max plan (had been using MediaMax successfully with my Wizard). But I figured the increased cost was worth it, and that also I'd be able to access isp.cingular (which I had used before when I was on PDAunlimited plan)
Couldn't access ISP at first, so I called tech support. Very nice lady said "You were on MediaMax, now you've upgraded to PDA Personal Max but they haven't turned ISP on - I will do that for you". She did, it worked, no problem at first. Download speed reported by DSLReports was in 600's, vs. 400-500 when on WAP (on Denver's very recently activated 3G).
Then 2 days ago it quit working. I called - first guy couldn't understand what I wanted, kept trying to step me through configuration in Connections for WAP - I said I've already got that going, with and without proxy, no problem. So he says "Then what's your problem?" I say I'm paying for it, I should be able to access ISP, please be sure it's turned on. He doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to do this, or why I would want to. Call ended in frustration.
Next guy I talked to said "ISP is only for tethered plans". I said, "Oh, really, then what am I paying extra for my plan vs. MediaMax?" and he gives me the song and dance about how MediaMax is for Smartphones and PDA Max is for PDA's. I said I didn't think he knew what he was talking about and hung up.
So, what is the real deal? Shouldn't I be able to access ISP?
Would like to hear other's experiences - especially if successfully using ISP and not on tethered plan.
Hey I went through the same exact issue with AT&T about this isp vs wap. Reading all the talk about how isp was better I had my phone upgraded to it. Everything was working fine until around the time I got 3g service upgraded to my area. I noticed I could not connect anymore so i went back to the old wap settings and everything went through. I do not think it is because of 3g that I can't access isp anymore it's just the timeframe in which it happened. Anyway now when you call AT&T it is almost like they got brainwashed into thinking that isp is only for tethering plans. Even though I tell them I had this configured to my account before it literally seems like that they had that memory wiped out from their recolection. Anyways I guess I am not too upset since 3g was upgraded to the area however having access to isp and ispda would be really great. If anyone is lucky enough to devise a way to get this feature added to their 39.99 plan that would be awesome. However like cushcalc said earlier and like what I have gone through it seems that now isp is now tied to tethered $59.99 plans instead.
Also I wanted to add 1 thing to this. All reps swear that this does nothing to increase your speed however they have now become so resistant to even add this feature now to $39.99. So if it's really the same thing why all the hassle to give people what they want?
It takes time to talk to the RIGHT rep.
Don't worry, i went through the same thing. Until i spoke with a lady and told her that "my wap settings works correctly, but i don't want to connect it using wap.cingular anymore, i want to be able to connect to isp.cingular." She did go on mention about the tethering and blah blah blah. And i told her "im not tethering, i need isp.cingular because it assigns an IP ADDRESS to my phone so i can access my computer remotely when im away from the office from my PPC Phone." In conclusion, she did some research and it seems like there's two different $39.99 pda unlimited plans. So i told her i want the pda unlimited plan that has isp.cingular support and for $39.99. So in conclusion, i guess the rep needs to know the difference of the two. Not sure if this helps, but that's how i got my isp.cingular to for for unlimited us at $39.99 a month.
Ok, i just got my tilt a few days ago, it's my first pda/smart phone, what ever. Whats does all this mean and how do i check which i have. i'm on a 39.99 data plan.
I've tried accessing isp.cingular many times.
Always fails.
After reading this post I decided to give them a call seeing as I have the 39.99 PDA Plan.
Well after getting transferred a couple times, the guy told me my phone was provisioned to access either of the APN's, wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
I think I will keep calling back every day until I get someone that knows wtf they are talking about.
I need to be able to access my work VPN, and have to have a static IP
I've been back and forth with AT&T on this. I'm also in Colorado (but Colorado Springs, not Denver) and we just got 3g as well.
I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN. The first rep told me I had to get the $79.99 tethering plan. I said no thanks. I called again the next day and got a rep who knew actually knew what she was talking about.
She said that feature could be added to my account for $3 a month. I agreed, she made the changes, and I hung up the phone happy. I rebooted the phone (her instructions) and tried to make a connection to isp.cingular. No go. Same error message I always get.
Can someone on this thread verify the connection settings?? This is what I have:
Access Point
ISP.CINGULAR
Username
[email protected]
Password
CINGULAR1
I haven't tried calling back yet, but maybe I will tonight.
PDA Connect can connect to isp.cingular. PDA Personal Max cannot. You need to have them change your plan to PDA Connect and you'll be able to access isp.cingular again.
Someone who can connect to ISP, go into your wireless account screen and get the Plan name. Mine is: PDAPERUNL1500MSG and I can't connect to ISP.
here is the weird part, when I activated my phone and called in for it, the rep told me the PDA plans were EXACTLY the same, same cost, everything else the same, except one included 1500 messages. I made him repeat it and said "So there is NO difference whatsoever except one has 1500 messages included?" He said Yes, so I went with it. But I'm willing to bet, the one w/o 1500 messages allows you to connect to ISP.
Ugghh...
Read my post above yours again. That's exactly what I'm saying. I currently have a tethering plan, but I used to have PDA Connect Unlimited and could use isp.cingular also.
You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
Flapjack said:
Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
DLD
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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Obviously, I have to follow-up. The charge is there, for "static IP", which is promising. I will call tomorrow if I have time.
RacerX10 said:
I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
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I can't seem to make it work! I can connect from another network w/o issues, I just can't from my phone. The only place I see to add the VPN connection is under my "Work" network settings....
If someone would enlighten this OLD dog, I would like to see if my TiLt will connect with the isp.cingular.com
Only problem and reply I can use would be to tell me how and where to adjust the settings.
Be kind.....newb at play with my new toy!
Try this
Try and call them and ask them to set you up on this one "PDACnctUntlAdd" that is the exact name i got when i went to the features page on my at&t account online. And it's only for $39.99 and my isp.cingular works perfectly with 3g connections.
Out of curiosity I tried changing my Tilts MEdia Net settings to go to isp rather then wap, and couldn't make a connection.
Portland Oregon Area, with the 39.99 PDA Personal w/ 1500txt
I get 500-900 on the 3G out here, 80-150ish on EDGE, and around 1.6mbps on my wifi connection through my cable internet. No complaints!
Would like to know what kind of a change this would make though, other then the IP assignment.
Bubbacs
In your Settings / Connections / Connections screen, click "manage existing" and then edit Media Net. First screen is to change name, 2nd screen is to assign wap or isp.
I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
GWelker62 said:
I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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Is this the correct one G? http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=49092#M49092
OK, isp.cingular and a real ISP has been discussed quite a bit in the past, especially after the new rom came out and the PDA Personal Max data plan. And this is when the trouble started. Many users lost the ability to use a real ISP and some didn't. Some of the fixes posted worked for some and others it didn't.
For me none of the fixes worked but using APN wap.cingular really did what I needed, so I decided to leave it alone. After I decided to upgrade my data plan to Data Connect, I now NEED to use isp.cingular. I cannot log in my company's VPN unless I use APN isp.cingular. So I was bound and determined to make it work. After much reconnaissance I found all the answers right here on the at&t forums. But there are many pieces to the puzzle and they were spread out all over the place. This is going to be an attempt to put the pieces all in one place so the picture will come together.
Update 05/06/07 1:40pm
I put this information together with the assumption of readers having some working knowledge of Windows Mobile 5 and mobile phone usage. If you are a complete NOOB to the whole WM5 thing this information will create more questions than answers. I am far from being a tech guru and if I can half learn this stuff with both my brain cells, then most other people can too. But still..... noobs enter at your own risk.
The Connection Profiles
Now, the new rom sets up the two network connections, "My ISP" and "Media Net". Refer to here Browser/internet Settings There is a link in that page also for configure and use the My ISP profile. For the MEdia Net connections follow the instructions to the letter. Now the My ISP instructions differ from what the new rom sets up automatically. (and if you call CS the data guys will walk you through those settings in that link) The new rom will have the settings for a "real ISP" connection. You will notice, if you follow those instructions it has you change a couple of things. For one it has you change the APN isp.cingular to wap.cingular. Well this won't give you a "real ISP" connection but it will make the My ISP profile work for web browsing. I did a survey of users on who had "My ISP" working and the ones that answered yes, I bet they were still using wap.cingular in the MY ISP profile. So they were/are not getting a real ISP connection. I will quote from that settings page and maybe it will give you clue on it's purpose for using wap.cingular in the My ISP connection profile:
# Additional features such as Wi-f and device based e-mail along with other 3rd party applications may not be compatible with the proxy settings associated with the MEdia Net profile.
# If there are connection issues with e-mail and/or Wi-Fi, configuring and using the My ISP profile as displayed below may resolve connectivity issues.
# Configuring the AT&T 8525 to use My ISP will disable MEdia Net (WAP) web pages when My ISP is used for connectivity. However, regular Internet (HTML) web page browsing will function as normal.
Now the best I can figure, all this does is give two profiles and both use APN wap.cingular, but one uses a proxy server and one doesn't. Which brings me to my next category.
The Proxy Manager cabs
There are two cab files in a folder called Proxy Manager, under your programs menu. These two cab files enable and disable the proxy settings via a registry edit. Now, to me, if I continue to use the MEdia Net connection for all internet use, and utilize these cab files to disable and enable the proxy, I am doing the same thing as above by setting up those two network connections and swapping back and forth from them. Now once you have the My ISP connection profile set up with "real isp" settings it will be no longer necessary to use these cab files. All you have to do is switch back and forth from MEdia Net and My ISP. The MEdia Net profile has the proxy settings built in and you will have to use it if you want access to the Media Net home page.
http://home or http://device.home
Now on to the next topic....
How Do I Get A "Real ISP" To Work?
After it is all said and done, the bottom line is you have to be on the right data plan. From what I have learn't, you have be on a PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect Unlimited before your account is provisioned to access through isp.cingular. There are a lucky few that when they switched to PDA Personal Max, isp.cingular was not turned off (lucky dogs who's names we shall not speak ). But if it is turned off, CS will NOT turn it back on untill you get on the right data plan and that is the FIRST step. PERIOD Once you do have the right data plan and isp.cingular is "turned on" then it is as simple as setting up My ISP with the "real isp" settings. And thats it! For a recap of those settings refer to RonAnnArbor's post here. You can consider this post a supplement to Ron's.
Something About PIE
Now lets assume you got on the right data plan and isp.cingular is provisioned, and the My ISP profile is set up to use the "real isp" settings but it DOESN'T WORK! You pull up PIE to view a web page and it times out and displays one of those dreaded error messages. Have no fear I found the answer on the at&t forums too. But credit for it should go to the folks over at the XDA site. (man there are some pretty tech savvy folks over there! I wish I was as knowledgeable as those guys) There are some settings in the registry for PIE to auto detect proxy settings. Let's keep it simple and say PIE is "hard coded" in the new rom to always use wap.cingular. So if your connected to isp.cingular, well... you get the picture. That may not be technically accurate, but I think it will be easy for most to understand. (at least for my two brain cells it is ) You will find that everything else that needs access to the internet will work, like email, weather programs, but one will assume they have no internet access if PIE doesn't work. Now lets fix that too, but it will take a registry edit to do it. If you don't know how to do registry editing, I suggest you get a reg editor like Resco or Total Commander and learn how to use it. Now here is what you do. Go to:
HKCU \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Internet Settings
There will be a Dword labeled "EnableAutoDetect". The default value that detects the proxy is "0", you can change it to a "1" but I recommend deleting the entire entry. Also after a reset go back and make sure it is gone. Sometimes the changes don't stick and you will have to do it again. Another thing to remember is DON'T use the Proxy Manager cabs again. The enable proxy cab will re-write those settings back in there.
Update 8/5/07 8:25pm: I have experienced an anomaly of the "EnableAutoDetect" Dword showing back up in the registry after a soft reset. No proxy cabs were used to cause it. At this time I have not figured out the "why" because it happened only twice. I will edit this update if I find the cause/fix. For right now I thought users should be aware of it and delete it again if necessary.
The Technical Side of APN (Or, what's the difference between isp.cingular and wap.cingular?)
Instead of me spouting off a lot of Geek language and acronyms I don't really know, I am going to link to this page. I have posted this link before and the entire page is some really good infomation. For the information related to the title of this paragraph, scroll down to the section labeled "There are two Cingular access points".
Multimedia Messages
If you want ot send/recieve MMSs, this "real isp" connection is not going to work. For over all web browsing, email, weather updates, ect, the MEdia Net profile should work just fine. I leave mine on MEdia Net most of the time. It is only when I am going to tether, or if a web site is acting flaking (that's a techincal term you know) I will switch over to My ISP. If you are connecting through My ISP when a MMS comes in, it will be a text message directing you to www.viewmymessages.com. (As of this writing this is how it seems to work)
Yep, that should be it. Of course all I can see is my ticket to Banville, but from your copy and paste, that should be the one.
FYI, some of the links from the copy/paste are not functional. But you should see them on the OP on the at&t forum.
The full thread can be found here.
Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?
can anyone help?
How exactly would it be "free" internet? You are still going to need a data connection to access the proxy server.
it would be free because I would not be paying internet charges through my cellular provider using their wap server to access the internet, rather I would bundle the cost into my already home internet charges if I set up a home proxy and pointed my phone there.
It still would register as me making a call, but it would not register as me using the internet, hence 'free' internet.
Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.
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Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.
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if you redirect your proxy outside of AT&Ts MediaNET you will not get charged
OK, apparently you didn't read anything I typed. Let's look at it another way.
I have a Tilt. I can enable or disable AT&T's proxy server. Does it really matter? NO. Why? Because in both cases data is being transmitted over EDGE or HSDPA. It's bits and bytes traveling over the airwaves. Whether you are directly connected to the internet, using AT&T's proxy or your own proxy, it's all 1's and 0's to them. If they see those 1's and 0's being transmitted from your phone to the internet, you are getting charged for it.
If it was that easy to bypass AT&T's data plan, wouldn't you think everyone would be doing it? I know I would.
Prove me wrong.
In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.
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In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.
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Good explanation
You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges. There used to be a great program over at MoDaCo called NoData which when you ran it showed you the connections you had and let you disable the ones you wanted to have off. Then you could use Wifi without starting a GPRS connection. The program still exists, do a search for it hear or google it at MoDaCo. Only thing, I seem to recall that the creator of the program said it was only for WM5. I've seen people say that it works in WM6 but haven't tried it myself.
Short of that you could just go into DataComm and tap on the Data connection icon, to turn if off as you tap WLan to turn it on. Of course that will disable your data connection and push e-mail and you'll have to remember to start it up again afterwards if you want to get your push e-mail.
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Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?
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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.
I had a similar question, which got no replies....
T-mobile puts you through it's proxies, so that pictures etc are compressed, which is a bit pants. That's one reason why you might want to do as described in the OP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345029
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You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges.
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This simply isn't true. If you enable WiFi and you're passing traffic through GPRS, then you don't have your WiFi network configured correctly.
Go to Settings-Connections-WiFi and change the pull down for your adapter from "Work" to "The Internet. Associate with AP. Surf to your heart's content without using the cellular network.
You can shut off the phone connection if you like, but there's no need to do so.
Edit: Just for giggles, I fired up my WiFi configured as above and grabbed a 3MB file directly on the phone. GPRS Monitor recorded zero traffic increase.
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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.
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yes I used to be Verizon never go back to them again! I used to use a quick fix on one of my LG phones redirecting to a proxy and i got free internet that way.
Installed Opera and it works fine.
For some reason, IE doesnt seem to use my GPRS connection to connect to the internet. If I enable Wifi, it works as well.
I noticed this trouble after flashing the rom to Dutty's TouchFlo AT&T beta 2. IE displays "Locating" in the status bar. After a couple of minutes I get the pop up message "The page cannot be displayed or downloaded because the connection was lost. Check the connection and try again later."
I changed my network setting to use the same GPRS provider for both internet and private networks.
I can active sync with my exchange server. I can get weather updates. I can RDP my exchange server. All signs of internet connectivity are present.
I can live with Opera, but it beats me why and where in the registry is this set.
I have googled and researched on the net, most i found was a registry setting that pointed to the user agent. but i later found out that it wasn't necessarily causing the issue. It just instructed the site that you were a mobile device and too spit out a mobile page if available.
Your help is appreciated!
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Ok this issue is resolved when i reverted to the original HTC Kaiser ROM...dont know why this happens only with dutty roms.
Giving Custel Roms a shot to see if this is still an issue
IE Cannot Browse Internet via GPRS/3G
I have exactly the same issue with my HTC 8525 Cingular with the original WM 6 ROM from HTC Web Site.
Any ideas?
Thanks!!!
HHG76 said:
I have exactly the same issue with my HTC 8525 Cingular with the original WM 6 ROM from HTC Web Site.
Any ideas?
Thanks!!!
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I'm kinda in this boat as well, it works 1/2 the time on my stock AT&T Tilt ROM. I have noticed that if I do a soft reset, it will normally work.
Neonwheels said:
I'm kinda in this boat as well, it works 1/2 the time on my stock AT&T Tilt ROM. I have noticed that if I do a soft reset, it will normally work.
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Call your carrier and ask if there are any reports with GPRS/3G access at the area where you have problems. Sometimes a faulty cell transmitter can cause this.
Farsquidge said:
Call your carrier and ask if there are any reports with GPRS/3G access at the area where you have problems. Sometimes a faulty cell transmitter can cause this.
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I'm reasonably sure it's the phone, happens at home, happens at work, happened on vacation in both San Antonio and South Padre Island.
From what we have heard on here for US settings you may to disable 'Use Proxy settings' for your connection. That may help.
IE Cannot Browse Internet ...
so sorry guys but i may be posting this under an inappropriate post...
but my problem here is that i cannot browse Internet via active sync USB connection. it is giving me an error saying "The page cannot be displayed or downloaded because the connection was lost. Check the connection and try again later".. this is strange but i was able to browse before. this happened suddenly and i haven't changed any settings. Tried remedies posted on other forums, how ever it dint work for me, Appreciate if any one could help me.
cheers
It happens because it is a AT&T based rom. They orinally configured the rom to use a Proxy server. There is a program i have which unregisters the proxy from the registry and Walla!!!!!
It happeed to my WM6, same here can use IE to surf internet by GPRS or USB, after disable proxy setting, is bck to normal, thanks!!
\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Internet settings\EnableAutoDetect = 1
It works!!!
I had similar issues with Orange in the UK.
Received phone on Dec 7th, worked an absolute dream til the 11th when started dropping calls (issues with 3g network) and unable to connect to the internet via IE though Blackberry/Opera could still connect.
Well, after 3 handset replacements and everyone at Orange having no idea I think I figured it out. It's the Blackberry software. It seems to 'trick' IE into thinking there is a present GPRS connection, but obviously the Blackberry connection seems to use different broadcast ports where as other apps like Opera actively try to 'lock on' to a valid GPRS signal.
So, long post short... Spend the $24 and get Opera and leave IE to be confused by itself. Oh, and don't expect the 'tech support' at Orange to ever know what's going on!
Which program
tomellis6680 said:
It happens because it is a AT&T based rom. They orinally configured the rom to use a Proxy server. There is a program i have which unregisters the proxy from the registry and Walla!!!!!
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Which program is this?
Where can I get it?
Thanks,
SR
Could you please tell us which program is this or where to get it ?
Thanks a lot !!
chdenis said:
\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Internet settings\EnableAutoDetect = 1
It works!!!
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Great reg mod pal, thanks a lot. It does really work ppl!
There is a program under Programs->Tools->Proxy Manager to disable the proxy, and now IE works normally..Thanks to the folks who shared the information
Greetings everyone,
Is it possible to use the Tilt 8925 as a dial-up modem?
I've try the search function, but could not find anything.
I would like to connect my laptop to the phone and use it as a dial up modem. I was able to do that with my Nokia N70....and that phone is 4 years old. I would be surprise if a more advance phone (Tilt 8925) was unable to perform the said function.
Thanks
Yes you can use it as a modem, you can also connect it to your laptop using "Internet Sharing" Which I think is the better method, I get 1700kbps with it.
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Yes you can use it as a modem, you can also connect it to your laptop using "Internet Sharing" Which I think is the better method, I get 1700kbps with it.
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What are your settings?
I've tried USB and Bluetooth PAn as the "PC connection"
and My Connection 1 as the "Network Connection".
I clicked on the "connect button" in the internet sharing and nothing is happening.
It's dialing the dial up number using Celluar line. But it's not connecting at all. I get " Cannot Connect" widow with the following: The remote party has ended this connection.
Thanks
Install ICS if you have a tilt.. There is a cab floating around for it that is easy to use. Once it is in, it'll show up as a network connection in Winblows and work for bluetooth PAN.
According to what he said just above he already has it. I guess the connection settings must be wrong though. If you connect your "my connection 1" with the phone, can you get internet access on the phone itself?
I had the exact same problem, with ICS saying that the connection was denied by a third party. More specifically it was WMWifirouter trying to use ICS to bind my data connection to my wificard to create a wireless hot spot out of my phone (which is the coolest program I have ever used on my tilt).
Anyway, I fixed it by opening ICS and changing the Network Connection. I have ATT and they use 2 different connections. One is if you paid for tethering (AT&T ISP GPRS), the other is your data connection (MEdia Net). I am not 100% sure if this is the case, but it is my best guess.
I changed it from ATT ISP to MEdia Net, and it started working, because I presume, due to the fact that I do not have tethering on my data plan.
I am not sure if the carrier can detect I made this change, and somehow know to charge me the extra tethering charge. As far as they know I do not even have access to the ICS application..so we'll see.
So look in your ICS and see if your carrier uses more than one connection.
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According to what he said just above he already has it. I guess the connection settings must be wrong though. If you connect your "my connection 1" with the phone, can you get internet access on the phone itself?
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I dont have internet connection on the phone itself. I dont have any data plan. My provider is T-Mobile. Am I required to purchase the data plan before I can use the dial-up internet/ share internet feature?
I know on my NOkia N70 all I had was the basic wireless plan (39.99 from T-mobile) and was able to connect using dial up. I would connect my Nokia N70 to my laptop via USB or Bluetooth. Click the dial-up icon on my laptop. It would dial my local ISP provider...and connect.
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Install ICS if you have a tilt.. There is a cab floating around for it that is easy to use. Once it is in, it'll show up as a network connection in Winblows and work for bluetooth PAN.
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I have this install...but still is not working.
Thanks for the input.
I think my setting are off.....but do not know how to correct it.
OK, it seems you actually want to do it the "old way" and have the phone dial a phone number to connect like a 56k modem... but in 9.6k here through GSM
There are 2 ways to do this, one where the phone has the connection and shares it with ICS (create a new connection on the phone, through cellular line, add number) which seems to be what you tried first and as I said would allow you to have the net on the phone itself too, which is why I was asking if that was working in the first place before going into the sharing thing.
Or, the second which must be more like what you had with the Nokia, where the phone is just a modem and all connection settings are on the PC. As you're having trouble with the first one, lets try the second one:
If you want your modem to work via the USB cable:
Settings -> Connections -> wireless modem, select USB, menu-> APN setting -> remove the tick ->done -> menu -> start.
THEN plug the USB port, the PC should find a serial port to which a modem is attached.
Or via Bluetooth:
Just pair your phone to the PC via BT, then on the PC go and browse the services on the phone where you should find "dial-up networking". Now it depends on your PC's BT stack, but on mine I would double-click on that, which would firstly install a bluetooth modem, then open a dialog where I can enter the phone number to dial. I'd then have a usual modem connection in the PC's control panel->connections folder.
But with that you won't be able to take advantage of the new ways to transfer data over the network and their incredibly higher speeds. Granted you won't need a data plan and will just pay like a regular call, but you'll be having a very slow connection. Which is why barely anybody ever uses that anymore and we didn't get it.
To take advantage of EDGE, 3G, HSDPA, you need a real packet data connection instead of a call, which in turn requires either a data plan or that you pay just the standard volume price for data.
um you all are making this a one big issue....no offense...wmwifirouter and a bluetooth dongle for your pc...nuff said
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t-mobile internet sharing
i have a problem using my tilt as a modem as well, I also don't have a data plan, i use T-Mobile's 5.99 plan, can i use internet sharing with this plan? if so what do i need to do? thanks
Ok, for one I think you have to have a data plan for it to work, otherwise you will wind up with serious data charges ( in excess of 3-500 $ have been reported )
Back in the day you could use the voice side and dial out to aol or the likes, but im sure that cant be done anymore. ( I hope this isnt what youre asking about )
There are other alternatives to ICS built into the phone. Using bluetooth you can "tether" the computer to the phone and dial an access string. this is done by using a generic bluetooth serial port for data communications. Basically once your phone is paired, you should be able to go to the computer and set up a new connection using the serial port that was created when you paired. Then you will need the phone number, user name , and password for your provider. For ATT, I know you can still use "[email protected]" for the user name and "CINGULAR1" for the password. The APN ( or dial string) can be a few different things. Ive used apn.cingular.com on my WM phones as the phone number to dial, and also *99# as the number to dial. If you research your cellular carrier you will find the dial strings, user names, and passwords for them through google.
JUST REMEMBER THIS IS DATA INTENSIVE!!!!!!!
I hope this info helps a tad.
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Just found this. Looks helpful for T-Mobile
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/GSM_tethering_with_Windows_XP
pyraxiate said:
Ok, for one I think you have to have a data plan for it to work, otherwise you will wind up with serious data charges ( in excess of 3-500 $ have been reported )
Back in the day you could use the voice side and dial out to aol or the likes, but im sure that cant be done anymore. ( I hope this isnt what youre asking about )
There are other alternatives to ICS built into the phone. Using bluetooth you can "tether" the computer to the phone and dial an access string. this is done by using a generic bluetooth serial port for data communications. Basically once your phone is paired, you should be able to go to the computer and set up a new connection using the serial port that was created when you paired. Then you will need the phone number, user name , and password for your provider. For ATT, I know you can still use "[email protected]" for the user name and "CINGULAR1" for the password. The APN ( or dial string) can be a few different things. Ive used apn.cingular.com on my WM phones as the phone number to dial, and also *99# as the number to dial. If you research your cellular carrier you will find the dial strings, user names, and passwords for them through google.
JUST REMEMBER THIS IS DATA INTENSIVE!!!!!!!
I hope this info helps a tad.
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Just found this. Looks helpful for T-Mobile
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/GSM_tethering_with_Windows_XP[/QUO
i am still a little confused, i dont think t-mobile works the same way At&t does it does not charge by data use, i just want to know if it will work with the 5.99 plan, if there is a way to manipulate the phone the same way i use a proxy setting to connect to the internet?
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ljinsane said:
um you all are making this a one big issue....no offense...wmwifirouter and a bluetooth dongle for your pc...nuff said
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This reply is just not contributing in any way! Why not just help others out? This reply shows that you have no idea at all of the goal of this question!