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Who cares if AT&T Locks GPS to telenav!

Alright, check it out. I have seen allot of comments on here about how AT&T most likely lock the gps to their telenav service and many are upset. Well I shared your concerns until I found the update for the HTC Mogal, someone posted a few days ago. I have never tried tom tom and of course in a perfect world we could choose, however I must say I do not care anymore. The updated telenav is pretty sick IMO, as they changed the interface and added traffic support. What else is missing? I for one am content and just thought I would share so some can relax a bit.

*zero* chance of ATT locking the GPS to a particular service

RacerX10 said:
*zero* chance of ATT locking the GPS to a particular service
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Based on what? You speak as if this is the definitive answer. How do you know? I am all for it as I wouldnt be oppose to trying a different type of navi but there seems to be different opinions on this. Since you know everything, when is the tilt being released, also will it be in the morning or afternoon delivery truck?

wait 2 weeks and you will see

swtaltima said:
Alright, check it out. I have seen allot of comments on here about how AT&T most likely lock the gps to their telenav service and many are upset. Well I shared your concerns until I found the update for the HTC Mogal, someone posted a few days ago. I have never tried tom tom and of course in a perfect world we could choose, however I must say I do not care anymore. The updated telenav is pretty sick IMO, as they changed the interface and added traffic support. What else is missing? I for one am content and just thought I would share so some can relax a bit.
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I, for one, am not going to pay for the Telenav service! I just want a GPS for those "detour" days and road trips. Stand-alone GPS devices out there do not need a paid subscription (except for traffic) so I would prefer 8925's GPS to be the same way. Even if AT&T locks the GPS to Telenav, I am pretty sure it will be a software lock and guess where do we hangout? xda-developers!!! After some time, we will have custom ROMs popping everywhere that will not only enable the "maybe-locked" GPS but also get rid of all the bloatware and make 8925 one snappy device.

it is nice to know that the tel nav is good. i have stepped inside 4 different AT&T stores to check on kaiser availability and each time I have also asked whether the GPS will be locked to tel nav and each time i was told you will be free to use whatever software you want.

1. Wont matter as XDA would un-do locking to TelNav.
2. While I might actually pay and use TeleNav...it would be a dealbreaker if for some dumb reason like XDA could not break it or if ATT removed GPS all together. Not saying either would happen, just that for me GPS is the only reason to upgrade at this point.

wpbear said:
1. Wont matter as XDA would un-do locking to TelNav.
2. While I might actually pay and use TeleNav...it would be a dealbreaker if for some dumb reason like XDA could not break it or if ATT removed GPS all together. Not saying either would happen, just that for me GPS is the only reason to upgrade at this point.
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WHAT! GPS IS THE ONLY REASON TO UPGRADE? How can you say that when the screen tilts up? LOL. Just kiddin brotha, but seriously dont the specs on this bad boy get your attention as well? Although I consider myself the dumbest smart person I know, I still notice it has double the rom/ram whatever the hell it is and has 3 mp camera, and is the newest htc for at&t. Come on dude, navi is the only reason?

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WHAT! GPS IS THE ONLY REASON TO UPGRADE? How can you say that when the screen tilts up? LOL. Just kiddin brotha, but seriously dont the specs on this bad boy get your attention as well? Although I consider myself the dumbest smart person I know, I still notice it has double the rom/ram whatever the hell it is and has 3 mp camera, and is the newest htc for at&t. Come on dude, navi is the only reason?
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For me yes it must be GPS. The Hermes was great for me, I just like the GPS, and a NEW toy. But a new toy for $400-$800 better have full GPS even if I need to run an HTC ROM, it at least better have the hardware and be hackable. The 3MP camera is nothing for me. I dont take pics with a phone and when I do once a year, I dont expect much.
I look at my current desktop PC that is a model year 2003, yes its old but I run XP PRO and do everything I need at fairly quick speeds after the RAM upgrade. So why buy a new PC.....people say faster processor and more Video RAM, etc....but for what the PC does it works great. So why upgrade.

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Based on what? You speak as if this is the definitive answer. How do you know? I am all for it as I wouldnt be oppose to trying a different type of navi but there seems to be different opinions on this. Since you know everything, when is the tilt being released, also will it be in the morning or afternoon delivery truck?
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Now that it's confirmed that GPS IS NOT LOCKED TO TELENAV, I thought I'd go ahead and point out that I was right.
Thanks,
DLD

definitely a crap ?

definitely a crap ?
well guys , many of you now have it and many of us are thinking to buy...but... there are some worst rumors....
give us a definitely judge , thanks

stesa said:
definitely a crap ?
well guys , many of you now have it and many of us are thinking to buy...but... there are some worst rumors....
give us a definitely judge , thanks
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i love it, works like a charm for me, but you need to take others opinions like a grain of salt until you actually try the device yourself..

I think the Diamond will have some issues as lots of other devices, but they'll be worked out with later ROMs.

Are you in the USA? If so how can it work like a charm with NO 3G or 850Mhz support? So if you are an AT&T NO EDGE?????? I have the unit and use both SIMS and no better one or the other..
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i love it, works like a charm for me, but you need to take others opinions like a grain of salt until you actually try the device yourself..
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mobilitytoday said:
Are you in the USA? If so how can it work like a charm with NO 3G or 850Mhz support? So if you are an AT&T NO EDGE?????? I have the unit and use both SIMS and no better one or the other..
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Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.

The only thing I dont like is the ring volume which is quite soft...

walshieau said:
Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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Walshy, are you using it on Next G? I've got one coming (I'm using VF 3G) - it was posted from Sydney Monday evidently....
Kevin

kevinnugent said:
Walshy, are you using it on Next G? I've got one coming (I'm using VF 3G) - it was posted from Sydney Monday evidently....
Kevin
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nah i bought a prepaid optus sim and testing it with that at the moment, $70 bucks gets you 300MB and some decent call time so thats cool with me, and whey optus roll out their 900Mhz 3G network it will work a treat...
this phone doesnt operate on NextG(850Mhz) it's 3G bands are 900/2100

telstra are a rip off. im on optus on a $70 prepaid turbocharge. gives u $650 worth of calls/txts/video calls and 300mb of data.
telstra soon enough will drop their prices when optus roll out their 900MHz HSPA network.

my advice: go for touch pro if kb and memory slot r important to u.

Hmm, just got mine and have that horrible sinking feeling that I've blown £400 on something that I'm not going to be very happy with.
First, it crashed when loading the customisations, so I hard reset and this time it went ok, but then another application (Touchflo) crashed soon afterwards. It's been ok since, but doesn't inspire confidence.
Second, Touchflo is quite laggy at times and also fiddly, these may be issues for me because I have big hands.
Third, the whole Touchflo thing seems a bit fiddly, I'm almost tempted to run with a standard HTC or Windows 6.1 homescreen to see if there's any improvement.
Fourth, the soft keyboard has keys that are very close together, even in portrait mode the keys are a bind to use.
Fifth, wifi not working very well with my router, keeps disconnecting, but my TyTn2, S730, S710, TyTn, E51 all work ok on it.
I've not had a chance yet to test battery, call quality etc.
Fingers crossed it's just a learning process and with time maybe the whole Touchflo thing will be refined a little more.
It certainly doesn't feel anything like as slick as my Ipod Touch for typing, browsing, music etc.
I have a bad feeling that I should have waited for the 3g iPhone.

walshieau said:
Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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I know it's a bit off topic, but how do you get the flag and the mobile carrier's logo to display on your posts?

g00n3r said:
Hmm, just got mine and have that horrible sinking feeling that I've blown £400 on something that I'm not going to be very happy with.
First, it crashed when loading the customisations, so I hard reset and this time it went ok, but then another application (Touchflo) crashed soon afterwards. It's been ok since, but doesn't inspire confidence.
Second, Touchflo is quite laggy at times and also fiddly, these may be issues for me because I have big hands.
Third, the whole Touchflo thing seems a bit fiddly, I'm almost tempted to run with a standard HTC or Windows 6.1 homescreen to see if there's any improvement.
Fourth, the soft keyboard has keys that are very close together, even in portrait mode the keys are a bind to use.
Fifth, wifi not working very well with my router, keeps disconnecting, but my TyTn2, S730, S710, TyTn, E51 all work ok on it.
I've not had a chance yet to test battery, call quality etc.
Fingers crossed it's just a learning process and with time maybe the whole Touchflo thing will be refined a little more.
It certainly doesn't feel anything like as slick as my Ipod Touch for typing, browsing, music etc.
I have a bad feeling that I should have waited for the 3g iPhone.
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Hey, don't get too down so soon...have a look for the Diamond tweaks - they'll speed up your device (especially TouchFlo) like you won't believe!

That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...

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That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...
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too right you are.

Dark Fire said:
That's the difference between the Touch Diamond and the iPhone. It's much easier to fix problems with the Touch Diamond through registry edits and third party software, than it is to fix problems with the iPhone...
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Yeah, but why the heck do we have to!? Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!? Man, everyday I read about newer and bigger bugs and flaws. May be most of them will be overcomed thanks to this comunity, but were is HTC with its support for its high-priced devices!?
I'm a tech geek alright, and I love having all the newest tech gadgets around. I've wanted to get a WM phone so many times throughout the last few years but they were always behind in lots of aspects compared to the Symbian ones. Then HTC released its TyTNII with its holy specs, great design and somewhat compact size. This was my phone! Yeah, right! Then I found out about this huge issue with the video performance and followed it for about three monts waiting for a solution either from HTC or XDA. And OK - HTC had some problems with Qualcomm support for its stolen from Broadcomm chipsets whatever. So they announced Touch Diamond with a new chipset and "3D GPU" which "processor enhances the user interface". And then again it needs tweaks to make it - not better, but just usable. Then all the other bugs and flaws users say about in this forum.
Well damn you HTC, I'm about to leave the idea of having WM phone again. And that from a fan of yours that followed you back from the era of Qtek devices.

timn2087 said:
I know it's a bit off topic, but how do you get the flag and the mobile carrier's logo to display on your posts?
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go to user CP

So wht is the verdict guys... is it worth buying it or wht i was planning on buying it but i heard a lot rumours tht is it really not worth it... cause the main problem is it is really slow!!!! even after applying the tweak to speed up the phone cause after tht it seems u'll need to soft reset a couple of time and even hard reset....
So the million dollar question is buy or not to buy???

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Did i say i was in the US? if you look up the right on my profile you will see a flag, if you put your mouse over it you will see what country im from.
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g day mate...hows it going down under!

demonizator said:
Yeah, but why the heck do we have to!? Can't HTC build a quality device that just works out of the box?! Then leave it to us mostly to customize it and somehow improve its usability!?
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Maybe a WM device just isn't for you. I wouldn't be happy if I wasn't constantly fiddling anyway, so it's better for me to get a device that needs improving than to get a device that works fine (because fiddling will break it).

Call voice quality issues.

I have had a lot of people complain to me in last 2 days (since I got the phone) that my voice to them sounds messed up, as if there's some disturbance.
I'm a religious blackberry user, and switched form 8320 (curve) to this one. The speaker quality extrememly sucks.
Is there a patch or an update or something I could use to enhance mic / speaker quality?
Thank you

I am having this same issue...and not all calls are this way. I've tried Mic boost/auto-adjust, but with no impact. I'm hoping a cure is found or I'll be ditching this phone and moving on.....I work on my cell and can't have these sorts of quality issues.

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I have had a lot of people complain to me in last 2 days (since I got the phone) that my voice to them sounds messed up, as if there's some disturbance.
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Same here!
I thought the device was bad and had it replaced, but the new one has exactly the same issue. I've been able to make some clear sounding calls, so I'm not sure if its actually a hardware/mic problem, of some kind of disturbance caused by the software processing.

Yes.. I've picked up my diamond yesterday.. and same problem here.. friends describe my voice as somewhat robotic.. not exactly what I expect from a 600 euro phone...

could be a problem with your band.
try calling through gsm only.

How do I do that ?
I'm a newbie on this area (my last phone was actually a nokia 6230...)

please anyone???
i really can't use the phone right now.. and I need it for work..

That's a lot of people with a serious problem. Does anyone not have this problem?

Should be in network settings otherwise have a look through the manual??. Im sure it would be in the manual somewhere.

very serious indeed.. can't find it in my manual.. but im not really an advanced user (yet) so that's my bad i guess..
fact is this phone shouldn't have this problem ofc

Yes, I don't have any problem.

Same problem here, people commenting that it sounds broken up, or through water sometimes.
This is a serious problem, surely testing would have found an issue like this, or am I being a it wishful that this handset was actually tested before launch!!
M.

no problem at all. very good sound quality!
i wonder what ppl are going to complain about next? judging from the posts here i must have the one, the only the greatest htc diamond produced.
i do have a few complains but not even 10% of what i am reading here
damn!at least the color you like? maybe the black is not black enough

Are you getting bad voice quality while using a headset as well or just when using the the handsets microphone?
Also maybe watch where you're fingers are placed, if I'm not mistaken the microphone is under the phone, next to the usb port... so no fingers there while talking
/Pilot1

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i wonder what ppl are going to complain about next? judging from the posts here i must have the one, the only the greatest htc diamond produced.
i do have a few complains but not even 10% of what i am reading here
damn!at least the color you like? maybe the black is not black enough
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Dude, this isn't whining...its just not working the way it should! Plain and simple. My old QTEK and HTC's all have cristal clear sound compared to this.
Maybe its the localized ROM or something...
Just because you don't experience the same issue doesn't mean everybody else is wrong.

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Dude, this isn't whining...its just not working the way it should! Plain and simple. My old QTEK and HTC's all have cristal clear sound compared to this.
Maybe its the localized ROM or something...
Just because you don't experience the same issue doesn't mean everybody else is wrong.
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maybe you got yourself a bad copy.. go change your man..
i realized that whenever i get a call while i'm messaging, my voice call quality is bad.. choppy and soft.. hmmmm any ideas?

Psmit said:
Dude, this isn't whining...its just not working the way it should! Plain and simple. My old QTEK and HTC's all have cristal clear sound compared to this.
Maybe its the localized ROM or something...
Just because you don't experience the same issue doesn't mean everybody else is wrong.
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never said somebody is wrong. never said somebody is wining. read again my post.
be cool, it is going to be OK after the 3-rd, 4-th xda-dev made ROM you'll flash. the future is pink!

I heard some friends talking about the same problem....

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I heard some friends talking about the same problem....
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c'mon...."i heard some friends..." why bother to post this? is it an useful info? a solution to this problem?
buy a diamond and only then you'll get the right to tell us something about YOUR experience or complain!

KukurikU said:
c'mon...."i heard some friends..." why bother to post this? is it an useful info? a solution to this problem?
buy a diamond and only then you'll get the right to tell us something about YOUR experience or complain!
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Dude, more people will read that this is a common problem on Diamond...
I'd never buy a 600 euros device knowing an issue like this....

Kaiser GPS

Is this worth it: http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=715

SuperMiguel said:
Is this worth it: http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=715
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IMHO, I would not purchase that thing. I think I got my GPS working perfectly, a little testy at times to catch a fix, but once it starts it works great.

redbandana said:
IMHO, I would not purchase that thing. I think I got my GPS working perfectly, a little testy at times to catch a fix, but once it starts it works great.
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Exactly my point. Maybe its worthy for someone who has problems with the gps signal.

Mikulec said:
Exactly my point. Maybe its worthy for someone who has problems with the gps signal.
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Agreed, but many people have no idea just how difficult it is to figure out how to get a gps fix. I am not too sure how the Kaiser acts but with the Tilt it can be a hassle, especially after flashing a new rom.
I get better GPS reception from my house than phone reception

ok thanks =) saved me $30

Almost needed at times
I have almost considered the external antenna at times but then I would replace the phone first too. I guess not many people rely on GPS that much with this phone. I cannot upgrade to any newer 6.1 roms because I lose my very fast cold fix times for satellites. I really enjoy the gps and the newer roms but had to choose functionality first. Try different radios and roms if you have the patience to see what works best for you. Ive heard some users say this is more of a tilt problem than a TYTNII problem but I have a tilt so I cannot say for sure, but my gps just doesnt work as well with the newer roms. Hope this helps

Need input on how G2X functions as a phone

Considering buying the G2X in 3 days although I am having serious misgivings after reading some of these threads which list the serious issues this device seems to be plagued with. I would greatly appreciate any feedback on how the device functions as a phone such as call clarity and volume through headset and speaker phone clarity and volume. Also apparent signal strength etc. Any and all help is warmly received.

I had the 2x for a month nov. And i will say that the phone have some problems.but its a great phone, and many people are working on it, so it will be a very good phone. I will recommend it to every body. Sorry the bad english.
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I had the 2x for a month nov. And i will say that the phone have some problems.but its a great phone, and many people are working on it, so it will be a very good phone. I will recommend it to every body. Sorry the bad english.
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Thanks so much for your reply. Could you tell me how the sound is such as the volume and clarity with speakerphone and head set also the GPS?

The sound is god. Also with speaker. I had a desire hd before, muts better sound on the 2x. I think the small problems with this phone, will be fixed. And we will end up with a fantastic phone, and very very fast.
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The sound is god. Also with speaker. I had a desire hd before, muts better sound on the 2x. I think the small problems with this phone, will be fixed. And we will end up with a fantastic phone, and very very fast.
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I sure am wanting to purchase it.How is the GPS? Also thanks for the kind reply and your English is quite good!!!!!

The gps is okay. Go for it, i love this phone. I change phone pretty often, but this time i will stick to the 2x for a very long time.
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The gps is okay. Go for it, i love this phone. I change phone pretty often, but this time i will stick to the 2x for a very long time.
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Thanks again I probably will

I have the phone since last friday (Vodafone Germany tho) and it looks like I got a good one lol... I also read all those threads here weeks before getting it and actually made sure that I wouldnt have any issues getting a new one from Vodafone if I had lots of problems.. turns out I dont. Had a few forcecloses the first day (even F-Secure crashed but I never ever launched it so far) but since then not a single one. Also no reboots or major laggs or something similar as reported in that other thread.
The sound quality is actually pretty good, way better then the Nexus One, the speaker is way better.
GPS is fast enough, didnt experience any trouble at all.
But I am going to install a Custom Rom as there are a few lagg spikes when launching apps and stuff but nothing really bad. I just want to see how fast this phone can really be

Also, keep in mind that the device we'll get in the US will be different in build and software from the international version. The speaker/mic combo will most likely be similar, but things like GPS and call quality can vary drastically because they're based on software.

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Also, keep in mind that the device we'll get in the US will be different in build and software from the international version. The speaker/mic combo will most likely be similar, but things like GPS and call quality can vary drastically because they're based on software.
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Good point! I use GPS a lot every day and most of the day. I have a Vibrant now and the GPS leaves a lot to be desired. Teetering back and forth as to whether to pull the trigger and get it or not. Probably will though. Been waiting for it to come out for awhile.

I had a Nokia N8 at home, it could find satelites really quick. The LG2X can't.
The speakers are really the worst hardware part of the device.. really bad sound it's the biggest negative. Overall it is a great phone , the best phone I've ever had, and enjoyed the most.. just too sad the soundquality + speakers is really bad imo.. but my contacts told me that they can here me very good.. so its just you suffering on that not the callers -_-
I can just recommend it. But with the sidenote you to check those things by yourself first live, if these attributes are really that important to you, so you don't get disappointed after.
Would like to hear your thoughts of it when u use it, i believe they could have improved G2x compared to the LG2x, cause it has other messsurements and vanilla android so i guess they reacted to the feedback which was given by the buyers.
Sorry for this long text xD
PS. Just tested GPS again.. and it found within 30 seconds within the building =) GPS is fine!

Every phones has its problem. Nothing is perfect. The o2x as a phone is good. No major issues about it. And after installing paul's MCR, it became a lot lot better.
GPS works fine for me. It just depends where am i. There are places where i can only get a fix after 30-60 seconds but most of the time i can get a fix for 5-10 secs only.

Hey guys, thx for the opinions.
At this moment I have an HTC HD2 and after having owned a numerous number of HTC's I am fedup with them. It seems they make models that always have some issue either batt wise, speaker wise etc.
As I use my phone mainly for gps is there someone who can upload a video on youtube showing the startup with gps status or something?
Also my HD2 has/had a quick lock but the receiver fails in other departments like having jitter on the output making the gps go in crazy steps or circles.
I would also love to see a video of how the screen looks in sunlight and how the speaker sounds when you are using the device as navigation in the car.

Triage1 said:
I had a Nokia N8 at home, it could find satelites really quick. The LG2X can't.
The speakers are really the worst hardware part of the device.. really bad sound it's the biggest negative. Overall it is a great phone , the best phone I've ever had, and enjoyed the most.. just too sad the soundquality + speakers is really bad imo.. but my contacts told me that they can here me very good.. so its just you suffering on that not the callers -_-
I can just recommend it. But with the sidenote you to check those things by yourself first live, if these attributes are really that important to you, so you don't get disappointed after.
Would like to hear your thoughts of it when u use it, i believe they could have improved G2x compared to the LG2x, cause it has other messsurements and vanilla android so i guess they reacted to the feedback which was given by the buyers.
Sorry for this long text xD
PS. Just tested GPS again.. and it found within 30 seconds within the building =) GPS is fine!
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Thanks so much for your kind input. This is just the kind of feedback I need to make a prudent decision. My only phone is a cell phone so I need the phone part to be first class as well as the GPS which I use on a daily basis(also hourly). Still undecided oh well I guess I still have 2 more days to make a decision.