Hi,
A firend of mine bought a Diamond so I tried some apps on it. And I found out TCMP is a bit slower on the Diamond than on my Elf which is only a 200 MHz cpu overclocked to 234. In fact mine is about 5-10% faster on benchmark mode ! I tried both gdi and directdraw on the diamond but my Elf is always faster.
Also it seems the display is a bit buggy sometimes, as if the vsync was out of sync.
Any idea about that ? I know the screen resolution is 640*480 on Diamond and only 320*200 but I expected a so much better framerate with a faster cpu...
Yeah Diamond is crappy when it comes to video playback. Havent yet found a solution for playing simple streams without fps drop.
The CPU is damn weak and no penny worth.
And HTC dont give a **** about it.
The Diamond has accelerated video, but DirectDraw does not utilize it.
helskov said:
Yeah Diamond is crappy when it comes to video playback. Havent yet found a solution for playing simple streams without fps drop.
The CPU is damn weak and no penny worth.
And HTC dont give a **** about it.
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When talking about streamed video playback. Then yes, the diamond is crappy! But if we are talking about file video playback it is really awesome ! You don't even need to convert or compress the video..
well with coreplayer i get about 90% framerate when i play a standard tv episode (350mb, 624x352). and about 95% when i zoom in to fill the screen.
though i would like 100 % better, especially because ther are some times slowdowns.
helskov said:
Yeah Diamond is crappy when it comes to video playback. Havent yet found a solution for playing simple streams without fps drop.
The CPU is damn weak and no penny worth.
And HTC dont give a **** about it.
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Stop talking nonsense.
As for the sibject of the post:
Have you tried changing your video output?
RAW Framebuffer? GDI? ...
What is the original resolution of the video you're trying to play?
it is also slow for me, and it was faster with my Elf.
I tried the same, downloaded divx.
alx5962 said:
Hi,
A firend of mine bought a Diamond so I tried some apps on it. And I found out TCMP is a bit slower on the Diamond than on my Elf which is only a 200 MHz cpu overclocked to 234. In fact mine is about 5-10% faster on benchmark mode ! I tried both gdi and directdraw on the diamond but my Elf is always faster.
Also it seems the display is a bit buggy sometimes, as if the vsync was out of sync.
Any idea about that ? I know the screen resolution is 640*480 on Diamond and only 320*200 but I expected a so much better framerate with a faster cpu...
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You know that the cpu of the diamond ist only about two times faster than that of your overclocked elf. But it has to process 4 times the data (VGA) than your elf.
Wich a version of TCMP are you using? Did you enable QTV?
TDO
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Wich a version of TCMP are you using? Did you enable QTV?
TDO
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thx, that was the problem.
I was using 1.2.4, without QTV.
Now I installed 1.2.5 and it is much faster with QTV. it is perfect.
some benchmark:
86,91% (Direct Draw)
87,90% (Raw frame buffer)
79,78%(GDI)
130,35% (QTV)
WiZARD7 said:
thx, that was the problem.
I was using 1.2.4, without QTV.
Now I installed 1.2.5 and it is much faster with QTV. it is perfect.
some benchmark:
86,91% (Direct Draw)
87,90% (Raw frame buffer)
79,78%(GDI)
130,35% (QTV)
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I'm using TCMP 0.72 and there's no QTV option in it ! is this an updated version so ? We are talking about TCMP here, not Coreplayer
sorry, i was speaking about coreplayer.
adwinp said:
Stop talking nonsense.
As for the sibject of the post:
Have you tried changing your video output?
RAW Framebuffer? GDI? ...
What is the original resolution of the video you're trying to play?
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It not nonsens. Diamond is a piece of crap when it comes to play streamed video. Not even af 500kbit can it play without 25% fps drop.
Even if i use Wifi on a 20mbit connection which playes perfectly on my computer with 2mbit streams.
helskov said:
It not nonsens. Diamond is a piece of crap when it comes to play streamed video. Not even af 500kbit can it play without 25% fps drop.
Even if i use Wifi on a 20mbit connection which playes perfectly on my computer with 2mbit streams.
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I am really struggling to figure out wether you are actually being serious or not?
Jin187 said:
I am really struggling to figure out wether you are actually being serious or not?
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Im quite serious.
I havent been able to play a stream without massive framedrop.
Im using DiamondTv with Coreplayer and Qtv enabled.
My old SE K850i does a way better job when it comes to streamed video.
helskov said:
Im quite serious.
I havent been able to play a stream without massive framedrop.
Im using DiamondTv with Coreplayer and Qtv enabled.
My old SE K850i does a way better job when it comes to streamed video.
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Thats strange because I havent seen a stream that does have frame drops on my TD using Diamond TV even without using wifion my 3G/HSDPA connection
I stream youtubes all day, goes perfect.
CorePlayer does not support the MSM7200 series QTv chipsets, only the 7500 series.
The Diamond (and Touch Pro) utilize the 7200 series. So CorePlayer does NOT take advantage of the hardware acceleration ... yet - I hope.
That's what several people at CoreCodec have told me.
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Well its that time of the year. My ATT contract just expired and I'm due for a new phone!
I was wondering about the Kaiser's media playback. I would really like my next phone to have strong video and audio playback.
I was considering the iPhone, but the lack of necessary features turned me off. I know it is great for media, but that phone is just NOT for me.
I would like your comments on the Kaiser's video/audio playback. Also, what 3rd party apps are you using for your video/audio?
Finally, I was wondering if the Kaiser was for me. Should I wait for another phone with good media playback, or should i jump on the Kaiser. I'm really into phone customization (my current phone is modded up the butthole, both software and hardware) and I know just by browsing through this forum that the Kaiser offers plenty of customization.
I have about a week to decide, so no rush. I would like some honest, well written, feedback. THANKS!!
just2good4u3434 said:
Well its that time of the year. My ATT contract just expired and I'm due for a new phone!
I was wondering about the Kaiser's media playback. I would really like my next phone to have strong video and audio playback.
I was considering the iPhone, but the lack of necessary features turned me off. I know it is great for media, but that phone is just NOT for me.
I would like your comments on the Kaiser's video/audio playback. Also, what 3rd party apps are you using for your video/audio?
Finally, I was wondering if the Kaiser was for me. Should I wait for another phone with good media playback, or should i jump on the Kaiser. I'm really into phone customization (my current phone is modded up the butthole, both software and hardware) and I know just by browsing through this forum that the Kaiser offers plenty of customization.
I have about a week to decide, so no rush. I would like some honest, well written, feedback. THANKS!!
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You mean this as a joke, right ? You want to rub this in ? Have you even read one thread on this board ?
Media playback (both performance and quality) is sub par on the Kaiser. You would probably want to go with another brand all together.
I dont get it...
I can watch whatever the hell I want on my kaiser and its perfectly fine, no lag at all (even on youtube) I almost cant tell the different from my iPod and my Kaiser besides when i poke my kaiser it pauses, and when I poke my iPod, a mac genius comes from nowhere and says 'dont do that'
lol @ tyeo098
video drivers aren't being utilized to its full potential yet because of HTC and their drivers
tyeo098 said:
I dont get it...
I can watch whatever the hell I want on my kaiser and its perfectly fine, no lag at all (even on youtube) I almost cant tell the different from my iPod and my Kaiser besides when i poke my kaiser it pauses, and when I poke my iPod, a mac genius comes from nowhere and says 'dont do that'
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Does it play normal TV shows encoded in XviD without hiccups as well?
The whole point of having a media eccelerating processor for me is that I don't have to worry about reencoding stuff. With the Kaiser I have to in order to maintain smooth playback.
tyeo098 said:
I dont get it...
I can watch whatever the hell I want on my kaiser and its perfectly fine, no lag at all (even on youtube) I almost cant tell the different from my iPod and my Kaiser besides when i poke my kaiser it pauses, and when I poke my iPod, a mac genius comes from nowhere and says 'dont do that'
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Yes it can play everything fine at low resolutions, if you use for example pocketdivx encoder and downsize something to 320x240 it will play just fine, but the whole point is that it has hardware acceleration capabilities that should allow you to play it without having to re encode and downsize videos. You should be able to play a xvid file over wifi without lagging or having to re-encode. The camera should be a lot faster than it is, even a "free" flip phone's camera is faster, internet explorer needs to be a lot faster with scrolling even with the fix.
The phone isn't bad, but its not on par with other 400mhz devices, does that make sense?
Audio quality is excellent with the TMP media player.
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Yes it can play everything fine at low resolutions, if you use for example pocketdivx encoder and downsize something to 320x240 it will play just fine, but the whole point is that it has hardware acceleration capabilities that should allow you to play it without having to re encode and downsize videos. You should be able to play a xvid file over wifi without lagging or having to re-encode. The camera should be a lot faster than it is, even a "free" flip phone's camera is faster, internet explorer needs to be a lot faster with scrolling even with the fix.
The phone isn't bad, but its not on par with other 400mhz devices, does that make sense?
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While I disagree with you on some of your points, I definitely agree 100% with the camera portion of what you said. It is ridiculously slow. For me it is nearly useless. I had a Moto Razr (the first one) years ago, which could take an adequate picture. Not beautiful, not 3MP, but usable. I literally can't use the camera on this phone, because it is just TOO slow. If I can make the subject, and myself stay static for 5 hours (which is how long it seems to take after you press the button), then the pics turn out okay. It's the time it takes which make it useless.
With that said, I love my Tilt, and would never trade it, even for 2 iphones
All i know is that I have basically used SUPER and PDivxE to encode everything that left my computer to a device.
So yes, i guess thats just peachy then.
And it plays youtube videos as well. I watched a whole episode of Kenny vs Spenny on youtube (kenny cheated of course), it was the one where they were obese... and who could be that way the longest.
ANYWAYS...
I see no current problem with TCPMP but thats just me, like I said, you SHOULD encode anything that goes on the kaiser, it takes up less space anyways =D
I just Have one question...
On my PSP (I tend to xcompare the two alot) there is a program caleed PiMP Streamer, basically it lets me stream video, audio, pictures, any media off my computers HDD and on to my PSP's screen. Is there anything for the kaiser that can do this?
Peace-
-Tyeo
Dear all Kaiser users,
I've also a Kaiser and I'm wondering if all complains are grounded.
I understand that some people ask for these drivers but please know that currently almost none of the current PDA's have this video acceleration.
Some people say that when scrolling through programs this is choppy. (Thats correct) but when it is a video issue it must also must be choppy at Settings -> System. And there simply it scrolls smoothly. I had this same problem when upgrading to WM6 on my Wizard.
I also, want to see good video drivers (who not) but I think that HTC or ATI or Qualcom not have stable drivers at this moment. It is also possible that 3D chip is not working (same what Intel and AMD do with budget CPU's) but that is only speculation. (I don't think this is true because HTC would say that then as excuses).
And of course of business view that will release a new phone with 3d acceleration of course. But at that time all our kaisers have also 3d acceleration .
I came from the Wizzard and the Kaiser is for me a big improvement. But when I was searching for a new phone I was looking at more phone's. I doubted between the Toshiba G900 and E-Ten X500+, X800. But these phone's are underperforming to the Kaiser. Especially at video speed.
This is my point of view. I don't know if there are more people sharing this or not?
All I want to say that a Kaiser is a great phone, but it seems to be that a matter of time it will be a monster.
Greetings from Holland.
The choppy programs scroll maybe is caused by some bad icon caching ... ie ... the system makes sd card reques every time the icon is shown. Which has nothing to do with acceleration or GDI as some adress the problem. However being a part of the shell and stored in internal memory the icons in the settings are being scrolled perfect.
And also I don't believe that Toshiba G900 is underperforming ... I don't believe that any Toshiba product can underperform
mkara said:
Dear all Kaiser users,
It is also possible that 3D chip is not working (same what Intel and AMD do with budget CPU's) but that is only speculation. (I don't think this is true because HTC would say that then as excuses).
Greetings from Holland.
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Wrong... This would affect Qualcomm's market value.
I agree with mkara.
I think that the video acceleration issue is over exaggerated.
I mean common, this is not a PC, neither it is a TV. It does not have a screen to watch movies or play shooters, it's a business phone.
I more often see my Kaiser completely freeze when it synchronizes via ActivSync but I haven't complains of that - people take that for granted.
Although I must admit that HTC should care more of its customers' opinion and react proactively instead of waiting for petitions and so on.
For me Kaiser has been nothing but pleasant experience (except, pehaps, the issue with GPS module I reported separetly, but I prefer to think it is less about the device and more about HTC not being able to admit its mistakes).
Regards
mkara said:
Dear all Kaiser users,
I understand that some people ask for these drivers but please know that currently almost none of the current PDA's have this video acceleration.
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None? There are Dell Axim X50v/51v, G-Smart T600 w/ Intel 2700G chipset. Take a look at on at here (Chinese): http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=225&t=358344&p=1 and it's TCPMP QVGA benchmark really put Kaiser into shame.
Average Speed 805.94%
Video Frames 8003
Audio Samples 6014564
Amount of Data 9086 KB
Bench. Time 0:33.132
Bench. Frame Rate 241.54
Bench. Sample Rate 181543
Bench. Data Rate 2.2 Mbit/s
Hi Diamond users,
CorePlayer Mobile 1.2.5 runs practically fine on the Diamond, using the Qualcomm TV graphics chip (QTv) in "TyTN II driver mode" (smooth zoom on and quality high).
Thing is that CorePlayer only performs good with video files with a not too high quality, so a quite low resolution and bitrate.
Only then you can have a good framerate.
Videos with a higher resolution, e.g. 640 x 480, the same as the display's resolution and a bitrate like 1200 kbps for MPEG4 video plays well, but the QTv chip has trouble keeping up the framerate, resulting in some small, but noticeable stuttering, especially when the 'camera moves' in videos.
Any tips on that, or do I just demand too much here.
Second: CorePlayer and A2DP.
When I have my Bluetooth A2DP headset on, CorePlayer (and/or the Diamond) starts to drop lots of frames, even on the lower quality movies that have a proper framerate when not using A2DP.
Is A2DP demanding that much resources that the Diamond/CorePlayer can't handle the framerate anymore?
This really bothers me, especially when I see the Nokia E90 (having hardware acceleration on graphics as well) running 800 x 352 MP4 movies at 1200 kbps with the full 25 or 30 fps framerate, without showing difference when using A2DP.
Is the Diamond that bad with graphics or is the Nokia E90 just that good?
Does anyone know if this can be enhanced by using some tricks?
Isn't there any way to improve the video fps when using A2DP?
Videos play fine, but just with A2DP on the fps drop.
JayRayMee.NL said:
Isn't there any way to improve the video fps when using A2DP?
Videos play fine, but just with A2DP on the fps drop.
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Not to derail your thread but did you find a solution to get a smoother playback? as in removing the small noticable stuttering? it makes me crazy ;-)
what program and settings do you use to convert videos for the diamond?
A2DP is quite CPU intensive, so if in addition you have a high-res movie, you SHOULD expect it to stutter.
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Second: CorePlayer and A2DP.
When I have my Bluetooth A2DP headset on, CorePlayer (and/or the Diamond) starts to drop lots of frames, even on the lower quality movies that have a proper framerate when not using A2DP.
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don't know why but everything is very smooth for me. maybe yr headphones are to blame, maybe yr ROM? am i lucky?
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i have to correct myself. didn't try 640 x 480...my bad, apologies.
This might be a stupid question, but can anyone confirm that we have working video drivers on our diamonds? I know HTC told us so, but I know better than to trust HTC's word on anything.
Not a stup question.
The drivers are present
The diamond was part of the solution for the missing Kaiser drivers.
They took parts from the KS20 the Diamond and tytnII wm 6.1 update.
(I don't know which parts they used from the diamond).
So where are those 3D games and Hardware Video players ?
CorePlayer is making full support for Diamond chip roght now, just wait. About games, you must program them exactly for this Graphic chip, so you need to make some game first.
Reading thru this
As you can see at the end, the average FPS was 136. Strangely enough running the same application on the Diamond resulted in only 82 FPS. This while using the same viewport dimensions, in other words, the triangle was a lot smaller on the Diamond.
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Any reason the Diamond frame rate would be lower?
can diamond play divx films with subtitles?
Hi,
What is the best application to search and play YouTube on HTC Kaiser?
I don't need high-quality playback.
I only need stability and fast.
The thing is that I own CorePlayer version 1.3.6, but I found it slow.
Buffering almost every 20 seconds, although I already set to low quality (RTSP), set buffering to 5MB, QTv display ...
Really, I dont mind less/low quality, as long as it is fast.
The internet connection is HSDPA, and it is fast. When I thether, I got about 30 KBytes/seconds. Of course, streaming YouTube can be different thing.
Is there any special setting on CorePlayer to have the fastest performance?
Or probably I should look other application?
Thanks.
Solved
http://m.youtube.com/app
This is much better!
Still buffering, but better.
Anyone know how to configure this app? increase buffer?