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miri wm6.5 v.7.2 or davideuck wm.6.5 v.7

Hi
Two great rom both!
I am now on miri rom, but davideucks new rom looks great too.
what are users experince?

brodos123 said:
Hi
Two great rom both!
I am now on miri rom, but davideucks new rom looks great too.
what are users experince?
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Buy another HD and flash Davideuck... and... then You can answer by yourself.
Regards,
KCJ

brodos123 said:
Hi
Two great rom both!
I am now on miri rom, but davideucks new rom looks great too.
what are users experince?
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Does miri ROM include HTC Dialer or Topez Dialer? I hate WM Dialer

affraid of posting
KChauJen said:
Buy another HD and flash Davideuck... and... then You can answer by yourself.
Regards,
KCJ
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I am a regular user of this forum, witch is great!
But lately I when reading in the forum, I see a lot of complaining and ruud behavior when someone tries to post a question. Either people are told to search or they are on the wrong thread.
Why so ruud? noticed this is spesially senior members!!
why not try to help or point them in the right direction?
There are more replies on how"stupid" the question rather than just giving an answer or not reply at all
Just my thoughts!

sas90850 said:
Does miri ROM include HTC Dialer or Topez Dialer? I hate WM Dialer
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not sure!
I think it is the wm dialer (dont like it.) too much free space on the top.

I try both.both are fast and now I stay davideuck I like the HTC Dialer

brodos123 said:
I am a regular user of this forum, witch is great!
But lately I when reading in the forum, I see a lot of complaining and ruud behavior when someone tries to post a question. Either people are told to search or they are on the wrong thread.
Why so ruud? noticed this is spesially senior members!!
why not try to help or point them in the right direction?
There are more replies on how"stupid" the question rather than just giving an answer or not reply at all
Just my thoughts!
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The reason is, ppl never bother to read the directions and rules set out in the forum, this thread is really not a contribution and does not comply with the specified layouts set out in starting a new thread. Admitably this topic does have some bearing but still its not really necassary.
Yes, you should be afraid of posting its a good thing it stops or prevents every noob starting another useless topic or the same topic over and over again.
If you actually read you would see the exact same question asked over and over and over, I guess that fact that you dont understand is proof that you dont read or search.
This is how I see it and Im a noob!

brodos123 said:
Hi
Two great rom both!
I am now on miri rom, but davideucks new rom looks great too.
what are users experince?
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Hi,
Why Davideuck or Miri? Maybe you should have check ROMs coocked by Onkolog or PhamQuand. They are very good too and have similar bugs, eg. alarm doesn't work if HD is locked and sleeps, etc.
You should have try out each and make decision. Everyone has personal preferences.
Good luck bro

i'd like Karma rom.

i tried both in davideuck no touch flo but in miri there is both i thing in my opnion miri is better until now

Not working alarm from locked/sleeping state can be fixed with this tweak by enabling wakeup to full power

Try both and see witch one you like best.
dkjm said:
i tried both in davideuck no touch flo but in miri there is both i thing in my opnion miri is better until now
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In Davideuck you can have tf3d it depends wich version you chose...
I have used Miri 7.1 and now I use Davideuck V-7 with Manila. Both are great rom and it is up to you who you prefer. I always liked Davideuck so I use his rom now but thats only my choise.
If you dont like one of them flash the other one

shruff said:
The reason is, ppl never bother to read the directions and rules set out in the forum, this thread is really not a contribution and does not comply with the specified layouts set out in starting a new thread. Admitably this topic does have some bearing but still its not really necassary.
Yes, you should be afraid of posting its a good thing it stops or prevents every noob starting another useless topic or the same topic over and over again.
If you actually read you would see the exact same question asked over and over and over, I guess that fact that you dont understand is proof that you dont read or search.
This is how I see it and Im a noob!
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I see your point, but when I get a response to my first post to try both versions I think that is not what I asked.
I have tried a lot of roms and it takes a lot of time to test all out! It is not done in one day! to test it it takes at least 2 days.
A forum (like this) is to share knowlage and experinces between users. isnt it?

I tried davideuck but quite lag. now i will change back to miri one

I think
I use Miri Rom 21500 7.2.
I think , if I can say somthing about the differences between the Roms I had to test both first. And If I test both I know or not what I am going to use.
So it is the wrong question !!
The Question is " WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ............ ROMs " ?
That´s what all the people whants to know without testing all ROM a cupple of Day´s without safty to register everything.
seeya
bye

brodos123 said:
I see your point, but when I get a response to my first post to try both versions I think that is not what I asked.
I have tried a lot of roms and it takes a lot of time to test all out! It is not done in one day! to test it it takes at least 2 days.
A forum (like this) is to share knowlage and experinces between users. isnt it?
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at least you can do it in the "general" forum not in the ROM Development forum.
you are transforming this forum in yr personal "give me an answer" forum. this is not a Q&A forum. with each answer you get you are pushing away from the first page really important stuff.
now after 13 posts what did u get? did u found somebody that used both ROMs and he can give a ready digested answer? did u really think that u can get a straight answer from such a (useless) thread? choosing a ROM is subjective. asking other's opinion instated of reading the relevant threads with user's opinion and user's reaction is pure laziness and total disregarding the forum rules.
all i (and many others) want is to be able to watch the ROM Development without being bothered by marathon chat threads that keep on growing without any benefit for the community.

KukurikU said:
at least you can do it in the "general" forum not in the ROM Development forum.
you are transforming this forum in yr personal "give me an answer" forum. this is not a Q&A forum. with each answer you get you are pushing away from the first page really important stuff.
now after 13 posts what did u get? did u found somebody that used both ROMs and he can give a ready digested answer? did u really think that u can get a straight answer from such a (useless) thread? choosing a ROM is subjective. asking other's opinion instated of reading the relevant threads with user's opinion and user's reaction is pure laziness and total disregarding the forum rules.
all i (and many others) want is to be able to watch the ROM Development without being bothered but marathon chat threads that keep on growing without any benefit for the community.
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ok. sorry!
But still I think people can be polite and respctful.

brodos123 said:
ok. sorry!
But still I think people can be polite and respctful.
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we all have high expectations about other ppl.
welcome to the club of the disappointed ones!

I am on onkolog's 6.5 and its pretty AWESOME. I was using miri's 7.1 before I flashed to onkolog's. It is very smooth and I dont have the DayLightSavingTime bug in Manila (going back by an hour) in his ROM. The only complaint I have in onkolog's is the Calculator which SUX, but so does every other 6.5 ROM.
EDIT: I have not tried miri's 7.2 yet, so cannot comment on it.

My dilemma is...
...I am unfortunately a perfectionist.
And both roms, Miri's and davideuck's as well, aren't perfect.
So the following is what I like from Miri's rom:
the "sandclock" that appears when WM works looks much better
the menu icon of "file explorer" looks better (fits to the otehr HQ icons)
to be continued....
and here comes my positive thoughts about davideuck's rom:
RSS HUB onboard
HTC calendar starts the week with Moday
calculator is much better (rotation, you know..)
icon bar at the upper screen is awesome! and not buggy like Miri's
grey theme is great looking with black of Manila!
the used HTC dialer is my favorite (I loost track of all the names, versions and so maybe s.o can tell me which which is...)
to be continued...
what I wish to be introduces (in any of both roms) is...
A weekly view in HTC calendar
FULL German Translation (it ist a dream! not more and not less)
link feeds with RSS HUB when opening a newfeed via link in opera ;-)
stringent use of manila submenus, hints, warnings etc.

Fully Tested Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM for Touch HD

I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?

In before the abuse.
There are plenty of Windows Mobile 6.5 ROMs out there but unlike desktop operating sytems there are many many different versions.
Even official roms are going to have bugs, all we can do (as Touch HD users that will likely never get an official 6.5 rom) is find an active chefs whose work we like and give feedback on their releases...
...although even then I doubt we can "fully test" them.

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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agree with E Punk... the chefs test as best they can then it's up to us. when i hear "fully tested", i think of a high-level test strategy, detailed test plans (positive/negative tests), unit test, integration test, use case, debug-fix, user-acceptance-test, more debug-fix, etc., etc. that's simply a lot of work... once we get a hold of a ROM, load it, use it and report findings the chefs can review posts to look for consistent errors and those are generally fixed pretty fast. bottom line: if we wanna play, we have to be willing to accept that there will be bugs, behavior quirks or whatever you want to call it. the problem some of us have is knowing when to STOP flashing, lol!!!

i think that a version without major bugs will be out when htc releases official winmo6.5 rom updates for touch diamond2 and touch pro2, as those phones share 99% hardware with our hd

wm6.5 Downloads
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?

nboutros said:
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It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.

nboutros said:
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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had myself a HD for a week, and with the help of XDA wiki flashed it (like about 50 times right now). Just read, and if you need any help just pm me

7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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This isn't an attack.
You don't understand the extent to which a cook has control over most bugs (or doesn't). Most of the bugs you see in the ROMs you're looking at are way beyond the cooks control. Remember, they don't have the source code -- they can't fix the software. What they can do is look for updated versions from the developers that might have fixed a problem (but maybe introduce new ones). The biggest control chefs have is over things that can be controlled in the registry: things like visual layou, etc. In addition, some optimization options are available when packaging the ROM, however, I'd advise that you just understand that 6.5 is still an unreleased beta product (even if plans for release have been finalized) at this point.
Your friendly community (volunteer) chefs have done all they can to bring us interesting samples of this upcoming product. The bugs are not a result of lack of testing at all.
Rob

dhatw said:
With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.
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Judging from how "4" and "u" are not words, and the way this unknown "youtube" guy has given him the impression that he's a representative of xda-dev, I'd say he's new the HD, and somewhat new to life -- maybe 14 or so years old.
Reminds me of the tone that AOL users had when they first came onto the "Internet". They used to angrily demand tech support for the Internet from ops in IRC as if those people worked for some "service" that they were paying for. Oh, those were the days.
Your advice was perfect.
Rob

Slightly going off orginal query topic which has already been answered well in my opinion by both Electronic Punk & cortez.i. Not much else needs to be discussed on that topic
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Rom reviews

Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.

I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.

Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.

ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!

ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...

i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea

antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.

Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc

geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads

Not a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.

not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.

cant cover all roms
ohyeahar said:
I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.

Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!

ohyeahar said:
Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.

I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.

MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.

accent2k2 said:
The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round

MadBeef said:
Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks

?????Whats the Best/Most effective rom for my stock X1????

ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)

Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!

Yet another one of these threads?!?

you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...

hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.

hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...

yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hestlen said:
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.

yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia

well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !

thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.

yaboistarr said:
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.

I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.

yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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And if you want other users opinions about ROMs then go to the specific ROM threads and READ!

@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...

fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006

yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load

Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally

fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
mattmarion said:
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!

@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...

fizu said:
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him

Touch HD Development Now Split Android/Windows Mobile

Hi Everyone,
We've received some requests to split this forum into a ROM Development section (WM) and an Android ROM Development section, please let us know what you think by voting. Feel free to post any additional comments in this thread.
Thanks in advance!
Flar
Site admin

I've stickied this till poll is closed

Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.

sschrupp said:
Right now there doesn't seem to be a ton of Android threads, but I imagine that will increase as it is perfected. As the number of threads increase there will start to be more and more confusion.
Ways to alleviate the confusion is by separating the threads or by people standardizing their thread titles. As it is right now there's enough variation in thread titles to make it a little confusing to figure out what ROM is what. Although I have to admit that cooks are getting much better over time with this process thankfully.
If thread titles were standardized I don't think there would be a need for a separation of ROMs really, although it wouldn't hurt besides the pain to moderators that have to monitor and move threads.
[ROM or KITCHEN][Languages (WWE, etc)][ROM type (WM 6.1, WM 6.5, Android)][Path-optional (28014)][ROM name and version (Flashmore V2.2)][Special key points (Sense 2.5, Manila 2.1, etc.)][Date (29-Jan-2010)]
Just as an example, maybe order of things should be different such as the date being second or something. But the order should then be standardized (including format of Date for instance DD-MMM-YYYY to avoid confusing among countries that do MM-DD-YYYY instead) and all cooks should follow this without adding all sorts of other advertising and special symbols, etc. The title should tell users exactly what the ROM is and only that. The message body is where you can make things fancy and advertise other things.
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I much as I agree with your recommendations, most if not all have already been mentioned in first post of this thread. We just need all chefs/devs to follow it

Hi Flar,
I think admins should split the forums at least by WM6.X and Android sections, and create a new section for WM7 in the future easily.

I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.

Waste of time...
You can split it and get it lovely and tidy and 48 hours later, folks will ruin it...
I can't stand the mess, but I learn to live with it... and I think most folks do.
You can post rules, explain everything in plain English, tattoo it on their heads, and still "can you help me with my iphone?" appears.
Admit defeat already! it's like a wife... surrender to it for an easy life

I voted yes, because i think it helps to keep things clear.
But i don't know if there are actually enough androids developers and users to keep it going.
So i would say split up, and see what happens. If it turns out to be a bad idea then change it back

would reccomend this if android get more useable - but doesn't seem to be far...
But for now i'd like to see a "rom release" section and one for "rom related questions" - so it just gets a bit more useable.
best would be in my oppinion:
Touch HD:
- WM ROM release
----> here every dev opens 2 threads for his ROM - 1 for "release,bugtracker,solutions" and another for "general questions,thanks,..."
- WM ROM questions
----> all general questions wich are currently here in ROM section (Radio,SPL,and the rest)
- ANRDIOD (perhaps also split later)
----> all android related stuff
would love to see this - would make if much more readable.
Especialy the 2 thread thing for ROMs would save much time in my opinion (if used right ...)
greetings

Logicalstep said:
I think a split is a great idea. It's way to busy to find what you need.
A split between 6.1, 6.5, 7 (LOL) and Android would really clean things up.
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Organization is key in any website. More categories will improve search times and should create better overall experience if done right. With the onset of Windows 7 coming which may have completely different set of instructions like Android, they certainly required there own place. But I don't believe 6.1, 6.5 should be separated as the stickies serve all these Roms the same.
Just my thoughts..

I think that we have to split in:
1. questions and solutions (WM and android)
2. ROM's from ROM builders

Ya I Agree too... we should have split WM and Android threads so that it is much organised and easy access

+1 for splitting.
Right now there are 4-5 threads about Android, which isn't much, but they're just going to increase as it is perfected and made into a flashable ROM.

My thoughts:
Personally I think the splitting itself is a good idea, it helps the users to track of the OS that they want to use or want to use.
But come to think of it, Android OS isn't much in-need to have its own sub-category. It cannot even stand on itself as ROM yet. It still works on WiMo as background.
I disagree with the suggestion to split into WiMo 6.1, 6.5, 6.5.x, 7 or whatever else are coming out. It's definitely unnecessary and the chefs should state the version on the title of the thread, and they're doing it alright. It's also to keep members from starting new threads at the wrong sections. If we split into different WiMo versions, the next demand we can expect is that to split in each section into the-good-old TF3D, Manila 2.1, Sense 2.1, Sense 2.5 etc.
Furthermore, I think the admins are doing great jobs in trying to keep things in good shape, especially Fallen Spartan; we can see him closing down unnecessary/solved threads everyday. They're not earning money from this and they have their own lives to deal with each day, I don't think we want to burden them more by having so many sub-categories to look after, no? It's like children, the more you have, the harder for you to look after.
So I think it's unnecessary to split now. In the future when Android is ready to stand on its own, we can consider back this issue, but now is absolute unnecessary.

I think the forum should be split up and sub-splits applied within the splits...eh ROMs, How to do stuff etc.....ROMs then subsplits into Android and Blackstone and further down ( sub - sub split!) Blackstone etc etc. Is subsplit a word?

I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums

zyonuf79 said:
I especially would like WM split into 6.1 and 6.5 forums
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+1, it would be great!

pinx said:
+1, it would be great!
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i agree to it as well. there arent much threads related to Android at this point. organised(its a wishful thinking i kno)6.1 and 6.5 sub forums will b a gr8 change

In support
I am in support of spliting the forum.....as suggested by other, it will keep the forum organised.....

I think separate categories/sub categories are definitely needed as it stands most forums on this site are a complete and utter mess and really disorganized.
If you was to have a simple category under each mobile device for roms/os versions etc it would organize things allot better here is a quick example..
Blackstone-->ROMS----WM
------>6.1
------>6.5
----Android
-------xxxx
-------xxxx
Obviously that is just a quick example but the current way of just chucking everything in one thread just doesn't work and is a ball-ache trying sort though when specifically looking for a 6.5 or a 6.1 rom. It would be nice to browse a version specific forum.
Also if the admins are not keen on having more subcategories why not just enforce some kind of uniform tagging rule for the releases that way we could have all the WM in one category and they will be clearly and uniformly tagged because at the moment it is really random and hard to follow, If all releases where tagged in same way it would make searching for specific rom versions/builds etc much more easily.