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T-Mobile Vario III - front panel buttons contoured?

I can't get over to a phone shop to check right now, but could someone let me know whether the buttons on the UK T-Mobile Vario III variant of the Kaiser are flat or contoured?
Even T-Mobile's own website seems confused, with most photos showing the standard:
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but others showing a nasty flattened version which would be more difficult to operate by touch (as I do my current phone):
So which version is accurate? With a bit of luck I'll be leaving my trusty old Vario (Wizard) behind and moving in with you all in this forum tomorrow.
What else should I know, I wonder? I'm sure I'll get into ROM upgrading soon - which actually looks easier than with my older phone from the FAQ here.
Thanks for anyone's help.
Andre

mine are flat. The lower picture is correct.

dunno about the UK, but t-mob Holland gives you the flattend version. I quite like it though..
but before you run off to the shop to get a Vario3 aka Kaiser, i suggest you do some more reading at the forum about the driver issue's.

The buttons for the Vario III are flat.
However, you could always get the regular Kaiser/TyTN II buttons from here:
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-kaiser-c-277_447.html

rienzi said:
mine are flat. The lower picture is correct.
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Darn, WTF would they want to do that?!
I assumed that the 'flat' pictures were of some sort of pre-production prototye, as most of the T-Mobile website shows the normal buttons. I wonder if the buttons can be replaced with the standard arrangement of buttons that everyone else has?
[Edit: thanks for the info Teppic. I have read about the video driver issues, but I assume it will still be a lot faster than my current Vario, until someone gets the problems sorted out?]
Andre

your assumption on your old Vario being slower is somewhat, lets say ..wrongish
i have a Vario, Universal and a Vario3, can't say the Vario3 wins anywhere on performance.

Mike1963 said:
i have a Vario, Universal and a Vario3, can't say the Vario3 wins anywhere on performance.
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Oh. So they really have b*ggered the Kaiser up big time then?
My current Vario will play video (ish), but without a decent network speed that's a kinda moot point. I assumed that the more than double clock speed would make enough difference to improve matters even without optimised drivers.
Andre

andrewilley said:
Oh. So they really have b*ggered the Kaiser up big time then?
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The simple answer is
On "paper" the Vario III is superior to its predecessors
In practice "HTC" didnt do a good job on the software side, and poor video performance (drivers) impacts all aspects of the phone, from camera to open/close screen changes.
At this stage, given HTC's statement on them not supplying new drivers/software and the fact they now want to state that hardware that they quoted in press releases as being in the phone are now not present and "may be" in future products.
I would not upgrade to any HTC products, keep your Vario, stay on the same contract etc until you see a phone you like (but avoid HTC)

Teppic24 said:
The buttons for the Vario III are flat.
However, you could always get the regular Kaiser/TyTN II buttons from here:
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-kaiser-c-277_447.html
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I did decide to go for the Vario III in the end, and it's not too bad in general performance terms (at least as good as my original Vario I guess, although of course it should be a lot faster, but hey).
I took a look at the link you suggested though, and although it states that this part is for the TyTn II, the button layout in the photo is different (the red and green phone buttons are at the bottom of the keypad rather than the top for example). I'd still like to put on the original contoured buttons rather than the flat T-Mobile ones, but not sure whether this part is correct...?
(I assume that fitting it will be easy enough - it looks like four screws on the back of the sliding front section should allow the whole of the silver bezel to be removed?)
Andre

I never noticed that the call and end call buttons were inverted on that replacement keypad!
I've just done a Google search and every replacement keypad I've seen seems to be the same.
You could always try these guys to see if they can supply you with the correct one: http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/. They are based in Kent. (I will admit though that I've never tried them, but I was looking for somewhere that would repair the USB port on my eBay purchased phone before I managed to fix the bent pin on it myself).
Give them a call to see if they can help out. The worst they can do is say "no".

Thanks, I might give them a call as their website is a bit out of date and doesn't mention the recent handsets. I might also email that US supplier and ask if they've maybe used a photo of the wrong keypad?
Do you know if fitting is simple, or is it a pain to get the cover off & then catch a whole load of little springs which bounce everywhere...
Andre

The UK O2 version (XDA Stellar) has contoured buttons, as does (I believe) the Vodafone (v1615)

Hands on a HTC Touch PRO

Find the video and images here.
Looks neat... unfortunately the battery has been removed and therefore you can only see the hardware.
Apparently the back is not as glossy as with the Touch Diamond. Definitely a tribute for addressing business people...
Update:
More to see
here
and here
and here
like the first link but they claim to be different... who is copying who here
And videos:
ppcw.net
and
more

Looks awesome. Gonna be hard these two months waiting for it...

demonizator said:
Looks awesome. Gonna be hard these two months waiting for it...
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Yep... very hard indeed

There is also a new review here and a "real life" comparison between Diamond and raphael here.
P.S.: It's really time to get our own subforum for the HTC Touch Pro / Raphael.

The wait is killing me....

demonizator said:
Looks awesome. Gonna be hard these two months waiting for it...
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http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=358265
4 july 2008 here in Sweden

NisseGurra said:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=358265
4 july 2008 here in Sweden
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You sure? I thought it was meant to launch in August?

demonizator said:
You sure? I thought it was meant to launch in August?
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Never sure before i have it in my hand
But the reseller is positive about the date thou.

By the way:
In this review following is mentioned:
[...] we were told that the Touch Pro will feature far better support for landscape display orientation [...]
This means that the TFL3D for Touch Pro has some differences compared to the Diamond I guess.
NisseGurra said:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=358265
4 july 2008 here in Sweden
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No way!

Grrr. I wish HTC hadn't come up with this thing and just left it at the Diamond. Makes my life so hard.
On the one hand, it has slightly better stats. Little more RAM/ROM... but... I'm coming from a 64MB RAM device anyway and it looks like custom ROMs are on the way to giving us more than enough free RAM on the Diamond.
There's the 50% bigger battery... but... there'll be bigger batteries for the Diamond, and more and more power issues are being resolved each day.
There's the keyboard which looks tons better than on my Hermes... but... I barely use it more than 5 mins a day, and I'm sick of such a fat device and the Diamond is oh so slim and sexy. But then, even the Pro is slimmer than my Hermes.
The camera has a flash... but... it's not a proper flash anyway and I don't take a great deal of photos where it would help anyway.
There's the useful MicroSD slot... but... I barely use all of the 1GB card in my Hermes.
It's coming later than the Compact IV... but... not so much later that it wouldn't be worth waiting for.
It's just not fair, too many choices!
EDIT: And now it looks like it might be coming about the same time the Compact IV is released? AARRGHH!!

And a next review:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=pho...-o2-xda-diamond-pro-windows-mobile-smartphone

VIDEO Out??
Damn, is this an extra convertor which we will be able to use on the Diamond Touch also??
or only for Touch Pro?
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ceevee369 said:
Damn, is this an extra convertor which we will be able to use on the Diamond Touch also??
or only for Touch Pro?
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Touch Pro only I believe.

well, folks. support for "HTC video out" is present in the registry if you look. I see no reason why video out is not an option for Diamond owners. you would need HTC video out cable of course.

I feel your pain...
but cave into your impulses
and be impatient and buy a diamond like me XD

look like it fat than the hermes, but it should in my pocket soon

SecureGSM said:
I see no reason why video out is not an option for Diamond owners.
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Totally agreed mate, I can't see any technical reason either. This will be interesting to find out.

NisseGurra said:
Never sure before i have it in my hand
But the reseller is positive about the date thou.
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that would be sooooooo awesome if we (I) could get it that soon

pizzachips said:
I feel your pain...
but cave into your impulses
and be impatient and buy a diamond like me XD
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XD I was soooo close... but then I resisted the dark side of the force
My current phone is 1,4mm thinker than the PRO... so I should be fine... although it looks quite bulky right next to the Diamond. But who cares if you get flash, battery, mircoSD slot, more ROM/RAM and a keyboard with it...
And maybe it comes earlier than expected
BTW: I fully support the request for a HTC Touch PRO ROM-developement sub-forum. General and accessories could be merged to a PRO/Diamond forum since everything is so similar.

Here is one comparison shot taken from phonescoop.com.
I took the side area of the Touch Diamond placed it over the Touch Pro (red area). Doing this gives a good impression how much more thickness the Pro adds to the Diamond layout. It actually does not appear that bulky anymore... I guess the Diamond simply is that slim
Update:
I took a better photo from ppcw.net - looks cleaner now...

Tilt vs Centro Vs Pantech Duo

OK.
So I've been trying to decide which phone to buy for a few months and it has finally come to a head because my Cingular 2125 (Faraday) has finally broken and I'm stuck with using my incredibly old SPV C500 from the UK (aka HTC Typhoon).
Which is best? Tilt, centro or duo?
My concerns with the tilt are the size of the thing and also the tilting mechanism. It just seems a bit flimsy to me and I'm going to want it to last for 2 years.
Recommendations anyone?

ROFL!!!! OMG Ouch my Side. Ow Ow Ow. Pantech Duo.... LOL!
As for the Tilt, I'm going on 9 months and my Tilt is still as strong as when I got it. I also made it tighter by getting a Hard Case from Sedio.
But if you really want I pretty looking Palm device. You could buy the Centrino.

pollock, my wife has/had the Pantech Duo. THEY SUCK! She absolutely hates it. She hates it so much that she is willing to pay the $175 contract cancellation fee just so she can get a new phone. That's pretty bad. I have no input on the Centro. My Tilt is freakin' awesome. I want the Touch Pro myself but the Tilt is by far, hands down, without a doubt, second to none the very best phone I've ever had! Bar none.

scratch the pantech duo...I have both the centro and the tilt and if you don't mind the video problems then i suggest the tilt...

I agree with what's said above...the Pantech Duo blows!!! My wife also has one, and although she sounds fine when I talk to her on my tilt....the few times I've talked on her Duo the person on the other end of line sounds like they are in a barrel or something. Very hollow-sounding crappy speaker.
The Tilt is the 3rd WinMo phone I've owned and it's the best to date. I use the gps at least once a week (TomTom has never steered me wrong), the camera is pretty good for pics (it's replaced my Sony 3.2mp and my Kodak 5mp cameras)...however video is very sluggish and choppy in low-light situations, Audiomanager works pretty good to stream music over bluetooth to my Pioneer headunit in the Xterra.
I must say, you pretty much have to be willing to do a lot of reading about how to hack/reprogram a WinMo phone in order to be happy with it. They are all extremely buggy and need attention. For example, I can flash a new rom and set everything up....have it running great for a few weeks to a month, then out of the blue things start to crash and not work anymore. You just have to be willing to mess with it a lot. It almost becomes a hobby flashing roms and reconfiguring your WinMo phone.
With that being said, I'm still very happy with it and all the functions it can perform. I also want the HTC Touch Pro. In my opinion you should wait for it. Faster, better interface, video output, and supplied working video drivers.
I heard a rumor it's coming to ATT this fall? (fingers crossed)

I had Centro before Tilt and I can safely say that Centro's battery life is very crappy. Keyboard keys are very tiny for many users, they weren't for me tho. Only thing I missed about Centro was threaded SMS and it has been solved since WM 6.1.
Centro doesn't have any Wifi or GPS either.

The other 2 phones don't even compare.. And how does the tilt seem flimsy, mine works just was good as the day I bought it in Oct.
I just got back from Vacation with my Tilt and I think I will write a review of how it performed in Vegas. You will see, oh yes you will see.
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Thanks for all your replies thus far.
As for feeling flimsy, I don't know, I just felt like the tilting mechanism was not very strong and I was worried that it would break.
I have searched the net quite extensively though and have not read any reports of that happening so if y'all are finding it reliable then I won't worry about that aspect of it.
I'm glad I could make so many people so happy with the suggestion of a Pantech Duo... a little laughter does a body good!
So how many people think I should hold out for a touch pro?

The pantech is a toy compared to the power of a fully operational tilt.
Also, did you actually mess with a Tilt or a dummy?

I had a tilt for a few days... had fun doing some mods, enjoyed walking around with the GPS showing me where I was so I didn't have to look at the street in front of me
A phone for me is a huge decision, I only buy one every 2-3 years and I use it more than I use virtually anything else so I want to make sure I get the right one.
I have had HTC phones for the past 6 years and they have never let me down so...

the centro isnt a 3g phone and its a joke on the internet.. also have you ever seen the keyboards on those its unusable to me its so small.. the pantech duo has call quality issues amoung other things pantech doesnt make good regular phones but they just want to jump in the pda arena with the big dogs and try to make a splash.. they are garbage.. BTW i keep up on the phones i work for ATT and we dont sell a phone that compares to the tilt/kaiser.. maybe the 3g iphone in an aesthetic sense..looks nice doesnt perform anywhere near the tilt/kaiser

Thanks Carpenter.
Working for AT&T, have you heard anything about the Touch Pro?

AT&T does not tell their employees anything, I keep calling reps asking for the release of 6.1 and all of them complain AT&T doesn't tell them. So if Carpenter knows something about the Touch Pro, he or she must have googled it. AND YES THE TILT IS BY FAR THE BEST PHONE.

hes right.. lol

Well guys, thanks for all the advice.
I really want to go for a tilt and have been holding out for walmart to bring their expanded inventory of stock back online in the hope that they will carry it again (Walmart are by far the cheapest place I've found for upgrades).
It looks like they are no longer carrying the tilt though. They previously had it for $199 with no rebates and no data plan requirements.
I am therefore going to have to go for the centro which walmart are doing for the princely sum of $0.00 for upgrades in my area. Even if it is only half as good as the tilt, it has to be a bargain when it costs nothing at all!
I hope I'm not too disappointed with it!

pollock said:
I hope I'm not too disappointed with it!
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See you in 4 months

tilt isa good phone but most people think it suk cuz of the looks an the hype over the iphone but when they start playin around with the tilt they dont wana stop an keeping peoples hands off it is hard lol

That came out of left field. Way to revive a dead thread.

^^har har
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Successor to the Kaiser?

Guys!
What will be the successor to this bit of kit most of us have had knocking around for about a year or so now? I'm looking for something similar - ie 'proper' keyboard, good screen, 3g, satnav, cam, and whatever is new and sexy!
I am struggling to think that there i will be a better form factor - but ya never know!
i am a little outta touch with the tech - as i only follow the game when i am really n the market to buy...
so i welcome any good info!
be kool,
al

HTC Touch Pro, AKA Raphael.
Check the Raph forum and/or wiki on this site or http://coolsmartphone.com.
Or wait and see if HTC bring out a Touch HD (aka Blackstone) with a keyboard
Ta
Dave

wow aweome!
thx Dave, I'll checkout the info...
I wonder if it is time to look at Nokia's kit? does it rival HTC stuff?
If only that damned android google handset had a keyboard!
al

I don't think this site will ever do nokia stuff, HTC all the way...
Ta
Dave

lol damn straight Dave!
Found a cute video of it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYSxRm20m9U&feature=related
al

One of two in my opinion:
HTC HD as mentioned above, or Sony-Ericsson Xperia X1. Both have hardware keyboards and WVGA screens. Samsung Omnia is pretty good bang for your buck too, pity it doesn't have a hw keyboard. Nokia's new N96 is interesting, but I would never move away from WinMob, besides, where would you find support like here at XDA?

you speak truth mackjam ;-)
I am in for winmob all the way - sighing and all!!!
cheers

The HTC Touch HD does not have any hardware keyboard though...

mysterd said:
The HTC Touch HD does not have any hardware keyboard though...
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My apologies, it doesn't have a hardware keyboard. I was thinking of the Google phone, which is also an HTC device.

Jitterbug?

my only real problems with my kaiser is viability in sunlight my boss laughs at me when he sees me running for shade so i can see whats on my screen, and the material the phone is made out of imo they should have made the entire phone out of the scratch resistant material the back is made out of.
If they were able to make a phone that fixes both of those problems I'd be happy to replace my kaiser with it.

little_rock said:
wow aweome!
thx Dave, I'll checkout the info...
I wonder if it is time to look at Nokia's kit? does it rival HTC stuff?
If only that damned android google handset had a keyboard!
al
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Aaaahmm...it has a keyboard
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A proper successor maintains or improves:
o the tri-band UMTS (Raphael does not, iirc)
o the keyboard (Touch HD does not)
o has the HTC P4xxx numbering scheme
Anything else?

jitterbug? is that an htc rig?
or somet else?

The Jitterbug is a the wave of the future!!
http://www.jitterbug.com
I'm planning on holding out for an android based phone. A year from now android will be much more mature and hopefully have some excellent phones running it.

coreyhelton said:
The Jitterbug is a the wave of the future!!
http://www.jitterbug.com
I'm planning on holding out for an android based phone. A year from now android will be much more mature and hopefully have some excellent phones running it.
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Same here as far as android development is concerned.
Jitterbug
(I love the big red and green buttons that say yes and no)

I am a fan of the TouchPro (AT&T Fuze) and eagerly await its release...
Still waiting...

lol @ jitterbug - reminds me of my 3 yr old kids 'my first fone'!

MACkjam said:
My apologies, it doesn't have a hardware keyboard. I was thinking of the Google phone, which is also an HTC device.
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Oh ok
Too bad the G1 (HTC Dream = Google Phone) is not as sexy as the other HTC phones...

i changed my mind.... i didn,t know the htc dream had a qwerty!!!
I may change my mind - depending on results of the OS....
I wonder if there will be plugins to be able to monitor my adwords on the fly!!!!
s

phone history wow!

So I was thinking about the phones ive had since the first one back in 2000. In ten years I've had 15 phones! and noticed the tech gap. anyone else have a throw back? I'm just like wow im getting old! lol

zippa71385 said:
So I was thinking about the phones ive had since the first one back in 2000. In ten years I've had 15 phones! and noticed the tech gap. anyone else have a throw back? I'm just like wow im getting old! lol
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Can you provide with a zoomed in picture of your phones?

I know this is a lot of pictures and I "think" these reflect my cell evolution since the 90's I'm missing a whole bunch of them...when I worked for Verizon, they will give me every single new phone to demo it
http://www.yaroze.jp/old/metallic/nokia/n6110.jpg
http://www.goodexperience.com/broken/i/04/05/verizon-s.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/lg_vx5300_verizon_z1.jpg
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/4585927513758915.JPG?0.14156194053560217
http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/motorola_v325i_cell_phone_verizon.jpg
http://www.carkitstunter.nl/contents/media/sony ericsson t610.jpg
http://www.mycellphoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/tmobile_dash.jpg
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Sept2008/HTC_viva.jpg
http://www.newlaunches.com/entry_image/0709/29/t-mobile-htc-touch-pro2.jpg
And soon...maybe
http://www.hd-report.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/t-mobile-HTC-HD2-blockbuster.jpg
Enjoy!!

zippa71385 said:
So I was thinking about the phones ive had since the first one back in 2000. In ten years I've had 15 phones! and noticed the tech gap. anyone else have a throw back? I'm just like wow im getting old! lol
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why would you got from a N1 to a MyTouch Slide?

*go.. typos suck

Mardenator said:
*go.. typos suck
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Edit button my friend. Edit.

Mardenator said:
why would you got from a N1 to a MyTouch Slide?
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If hes anything like me, he changes phones about every 2-3 months. I just get board with them and want something new or the latest, even if its a downgrade.

I know this is a lot of pictures and I "think" these reflect my cell evolution since the 90's I'm missing a whole bunch of them...when I worked for Verizon, they will give me every single new phone to demo it
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And soon...maybe
first phone was a P.O.S. Moto Krzr, then an Alias (not an Alias 2. the original 1). then I went to Tmo with a sidekick LX, G1, Cliq, and now I'm back 2 my G1
Enjoy!!
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Oh gosh i cant even count on two hands how many phones i have bought and then sold on ebay then buy another one.

My phone history:
Thats it! I want another Ericsson T28
From top:
Ericsson T28 In dark blue
Nokia 5110 black
Nokia 6210 black/silver
Motorola W220 Black (my dad now has it)
Motorola KRZR K1 Silver(taken back to tesco a day later because it didn't come with usb lead and software, it was £17 extra)
Sony Ericsson W810i Black (great phone)
02 XDA II Silver (aka HTC Himalaya)
Orange SPV E650 Black/Silver (aka HTC Vox, i give it to my uncle for spares because it won't read sim cards)
Well thats it

haha, yeah I change my phone more often than I change my boxers ... I got the slides for free, so it nice to have a change Id NEVER sell my N1 its what we should have had 2 years ago, today.

There's a few in my sig that I remember Way back I had the only one in a restaurant...now every table has at least 4

My history
Universal for 5 years
Rhodium (actual)
Leo (actual)
Maple

My first phone was my Moto Razr V3c [ARMY bought it for me when I became a recruiter]
Next on the list was my Neon300 [Touch Dual US]
Last & current device(s) are my Fuzes. I have 3.
Before my Razr, I kinda' depended on my parents cell phones.

Double post...

I thought I would play this game too...
WOW!!! I've owned a lot of phones. Got my first phone in 2001.
The list:
Phillips Fizz
Ericson A1018
Nokia 5110
Ericsson T10
Nokia 3210
Nokia 3310
Motorola V60i
Motorola V750
Motorola V70
SE Z200
SE Z600
NEC e606
Sagem My-C5
SE Z1010
I-Mate Jam
O2 Atom
I-Mate JasJam
HTC Dream
Samsung Galaxy i7500
HTC HD2
HTC Desire
Dell Streak <-- in the mail thanks to potheadhero

Nokia 3210 was the best phone ever. lol. Well mine is in the sig...I thinks it's all of them.

Hmm...I'll try to remember all of them.
I had my first phone in 2005 I think.
first one was some Motorola.
Some flip phone w/ reversible camera
iPhone 2G
iPhone 3G
Mytouch (crap) 3G
And current is teh ub3r beast phone Samsung Vibrant.

Sony ericsson w850I
HTC kiaser
HTC touch HD
Google nexus one (current)
Sent from my N1 using XDA App

Here is my phones history :
Nokia 8110 - Not working, Given for recycle.
Sony Ericsson J230i - Throw away when I was angry for some reason. 99% broken.
Motorola W220 - Kept in draw, Looking for buyers
Sony Ericsson P910i - Sold Out
Qtek 9100 aka HTC Wizard - Sold out
AT&T FUZE aka HTC Touch Pro - Broken, Looking for buyers.
T-Mobile MDA Compact V aka HTC Touch Diamond2 - Now using
T-Mobile HD2 - Now using
Thats it.