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Hi, I'm considering going back to WMobile phones and seriously considering the Kaiser. I currently have the N73 but had many wm5 phones before, SPV m600, Trinity, XDA Orbit, Wizard etc etc, all had annoying little "bugs".
I know the Kaiser is only just out, but can anyone tell me if you have noticed any of the following?
1) delay in ringing when receiving an incoming call. i.e. people on the other end hears a ring, but my phone takes about 3seconds before it rings...v. annoying!
2) delay in waking up.
3) slow response in dialing, i.e. when pressing a number on the dial pad.
4) Missing incoming comes, i.e. full reception but people unable to get through. Extremely annoying.
5) Rebooting itself
6) Alarm not going off.
Hows the call quality?
Anyone used and have any issues with the T9 pad, think that's what it's called. I use to use this, but gave me problems when i switched back to virtual keyboard, e.g. wouldn't switch back at all.
Sorry for all the questions.
1) Haven't tested this yet, i'm hoping this isn't the case though...!
2) Wakes up pretty quick, no unbarable lag
3) Same as 2) - all seems pretty responsive, no bad lag
4) Never had that issue before, don't expect to get it with the Kaiser
5) Nope, although i haven't installed any other apps etc yet...
6) Same as 4)
I can only really compare with the Universal (as that's the only other WM phone i've owned)... my initial impressions are that it's a lot quicker than the Universal... maybe that's partially due to the fact that i haven't installed any bits yet... or really tweaked it.
The 3 second delay was REALLY annoying.... as i'd have to start every phonecall with: "hello....... hello? heeeelllllllllo?" lol... i hope this isnt the case with the Kaiser!
Also i think a lot of the noticable improvements are also due to the fact that im using a vanilla HTC phone, as opposed to a crappy T-mobile 'runined' one! Also i think WM6 has brought in a lot of changes which are noticeably improved over WM5.
EDIT: oh and the only thing that really 'bugs' me - is that i'm used to the lovely VGA Screen of the Universal, so dropping down to QVGA is rather noticable... text looks blockier and using Cleartype seems to make it alot fuzzier than on the Universal.... but that's my only really negative point so far.... hopefully it'll be the ONLY one
EDIT2: Something else i just thought of.... the fact that when my Universal locked up... if i didnt have my Stylus on me (which i usually didnt) and i didnt have a small pin-like object to stick into the reset hole... i was SCREWED... which REALLY pi**ed me off.... countless times i'd be on the train home from work, about to email a friend... only to have my phone lockup... then i'd have to wait an hour before i could reset it and start writing... GRRRRR. Anyway, the Kaiser actually turns off when you hold down the power button... simple... and GREAT! (the power button on the Universal was so stupid.... in my opinion.... was there any way (except by using 3rd party apps) to actually turn the damn thing OFF?! lol)
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hongsit said:
Hi, I'm considering going back to WMobile phones and seriously considering the Kaiser. I currently have the N73 but had many wm5 phones before, SPV m600, Trinity, XDA Orbit, Wizard etc etc, all had annoying little "bugs".
I know the Kaiser is only just out, but can anyone tell me if you have noticed any of the following?
1) delay in ringing when receiving an incoming call. i.e. people on the other end hears a ring, but my phone takes about 3seconds before it rings...v. annoying!
2) delay in waking up.
3) slow response in dialing, i.e. when pressing a number on the dial pad.
4) Missing incoming comes, i.e. full reception but people unable to get through. Extremely annoying.
5) Rebooting itself
6) Alarm not going off.
Hows the call quality?
Anyone used and have any issues with the T9 pad, think that's what it's called. I use to use this, but gave me problems when i switched back to virtual keyboard, e.g. wouldn't switch back at all.
Sorry for all the questions.
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1) The delay is/was caused by the CPU/OS coming out of standby. With PDA type Windows Mobile devices they have a standby mode where the whole operating system is suspended. The mobile chip remains powered and when a call comes in it has to send a wake up request to the CPU and OS. It is the time the CPU and OS takes to become responsive that causes the delay. I noticed this delay was quite a lot on the Toshiba G900, several seconds or rings before it had woken up to sound the internal audio to alert you to the call. Sometimes it wouldn't wake at all :-(
The Kaiser wakes very quickly, hardly any delay at all, they have certainly put in a lot of work in this area.
Windows SmartPhones don't have this problem as they remain "always on" so respond without delay even though they may look off.
2) Answer above, very quick, almost instant.
3) Seems okay to me.
4) This is probably the OS failing to wake up, I would doubt this happens on the Kaiser.
5) Okay so far.
6) This again is related to the CPU/OS failing to wake up to a request. It is likely the phone you have experienced this with has some problems waking up when asked and would explain all your concerns.
Hope that helps.
Regards
Phil
I read on another thread regarding the assembly which houses the green and red call buttons being loose. What is the opinion of other users over here. I am asking this as I am considering buying one soon to replace my Touch
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Yes the whole section moves slightly on mine, it must just be where they float on a rubber section underneath.
I hadn't noticed this until now, why is this a problem? If it was fixed two tight the keys would scrape against the sides when pressed. Makes sense there is some space.
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Phil
The buttons feel a bit 'loose' but no more than in any other device (the buttons on my PSP for example).
Thanks for the reply guys, kaiser sounds promising, just hope it continues to impress.
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1) delay in ringing when receiving an incoming call. i.e. people on the other end hears a ring, but my phone takes about 3seconds before it rings...v. annoying!
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There are two contributors to this:
One is a registry entry, where all of the "standard" options cause a 3 second pre-ring delay and 3 second delay between rings. This can be fixed in the registry.
The second is network delay. The caller will hear ringing before your phone rings (usually 1-2 rings) no matter what phone you use. I've had such delays with every mobile phone I have ever used, smart or not. If you try the registry hack (search around for the exact key, numerous posts on it and I can't remember the exact registry key at the moment) and are still not happy, you have one option to reduce ring latency - get a landline.
OK..so we are all excited about the Kaiser and some of the lucky ones have it already. We all know the specs and we hear about the fun those lucky ones are having with the devices. Needless to say, with new devices, problems sometimes follow. I know there have been a few minor complaints but, let's use this thread to compile the issues (and hopefully the fixes).
I am thinking of jumping ship from my rather good plan in order to get a Kaiser and hearing both sides of the spectrum can help myself and others make a more educated decision.
I am interested in Kaiser also. One of the most issue that i hope being fix in Kaiser was the screen auto-on issue while changing song when listen MP3 with BT stereo handsfree which happened in D810 and P3600i.
Well, I've had my kaiser since the 7th and I have put it through most of it's paces so far.
The only complaint I can think of is the already known problem where storing pocket IE's cache on the storage card causes it to freeze up. I'm fully confident that someone here will figure it out.
That said it's a really nice upgrade from the Tytn I've been using for over a year. If you consider a different browser, like Opera mini it performs extremely well.
I've had one about a month. Overall very pleased with the purchase. Here are my top nits:
1. Audio clicks or audio cut-out when playing long audio files (>5min). click will happen every 5 min, which might suggest it's reading the file into memory in chunks and having trouble at the transition. I'm hoping a new, faster micro-sd card will fix this.
2. screen doesn't turn off by default, just dims to lowest level. Not that the phone doesn't go into standby when it should, it's just that when you are using it you expect the previous TyTN behavior where the screen goes off after a certain period. Annoying only in certain circumstances; for instance, when you play long audio files at night to go to sleep the screen stays on. Solution is easy: just push the power button. Audio keeps playing. Not a big negative per se, just a new behavior to get used to.
3. Hard to select multiple items (e.g. email) with finger. Used to be you could finger one item and then "drag" down the list, selecting multiple items. Now that causes the email list to scroll. Again not a negative, just a new way of behaving.
4. The camera. Takes forever to actually take the shot. Unless you set it on a stable surface or take long shots in good light, the images are blurry. It's a phone so I don't really care that much...
5. Lack of dedicated button for Comm Manager. You can have a soft button, but whatever... Also I haven't found a way to remap the otherwise useless PTT button.
6. Nobody has uploaded the 'cool' HTC rom. I have to install the HTCHome and Comm Mgr app cabs from the Hermes group. The AT&T roms look boring and are bloated with crapware like Ms PacMan eval version (including the frickin' .cab file) and MP3 files.
7. After hanging up a voice call, d-pad in email stops working. That is, I can use the screen to do actions like select and open an email, but the d-pad and center button don't work. Once the mail is open, I can use the d-pad. Seems like this doesn't happen every time, but it's annoying when it does. I'm sure a software update will fix this.
None of these things would prevent me from buying the product again. I personally find the browser perf about the same as the TyTN - downloading full HTML pages takes a while, but it's a phone so it doesn't bother me like it would if it were a laptop.
M
So how do they handle your #3 issue with the semi-touch flow now? How do you go about selecting multiple items?
I hadn't really thought of it until I wrote this... After some investigation I find that if I hold down my finger on the first selected item, wait, then drag it, it works.
how's the in-call voice quality & signal strength from the kaiser's qualcomm chip, compared to previous htc phones (fo example, ones which featured the TI omap chip)?
and also how's the gps? is it really that much worse than a sirfstar to the point where it would become unusable in a city with many tall buildings?
Here is my very small list of gripes..
1. There is no default hardware button that allows you to change the Sound Volume at any time...like when/if you're somewhere quiet and the phone rings loudly or a reminder pops up loudly. Many devices have Vol Up & Down buttons on the side of the device that will let you do this but with the TyTN II you'll have to either use the default Volume control icon at the top of the screen (which is tough to get to using a finger) or use the HTC Touch panel - assuming you have it enabled in the Task Panel settings. You can however adjust the volume during a call using the thumb wheel--which is nice.
2. For some reason, We can't redirect IE cache, cookies and history to the microSD card. I know there's been discussion about this. When you make the registry change, IE freezes when pulling up sites. When you put it back to the default folder or any folder in main storage memory, all sites work fine. Everything else--email attachments, apps, games, GPS maps, etc. seem to do fine when accessed from the card.
3. No HTC TouchFLO 3D Cube
For some reason, the TyTN II has TouchFLO but without the Cube. I would love to get this iPhone Killer app" working on the TyTN II. I know you guys are working on it!
TEC
I live in the US, and this is the reason why im waiting for the AT&T tilt, i want them to fix all the bugs. When the TyTN came out, the 8525 had less bugs, including the screen alignment thing.
Funny, I had just dumped the VERY unstable GPS enabled HP hw6945 in favor of the then new 8525. I was just about to return the 8525 because it was also pretty buggy and prone to hangs. Then I found XDA, applied the tweaks and eventually new roms and now the 8525 is just about perfect.
I'll have my Kaiser in 2 days and am looking forward to what the XDA wizzards will do with it in the comming months.
But a first release from AT&T is bound to be lacking, and probably bloated with less than usefull widgets.
The good you already know so I wont go into all of that, but after all the hype I'm actually dissapointed with this device.
I am a long time treo user (my last machine being a very stable, but dull treo 680).
Last month I bought the HTC Touch (a FANTASTIC machine, especially with HTC Home). But after the Treo, I still need a keyboard as its basically hard work to enter long messages, even with the SIP keyboard (plus TYTN II has 3G and GPS).
So I got my TYTN II 2 days ago and im not enjoying the exeperience, especially when compared to the Touch which was flawless for me. I find that the machine hangs, isnt that responsive, the sound level is much lower than the Touch (both ear and speaker) and while its supposed to be 2x as fast, it really isnt much faster than the Touch. It does have a better screen than the Touch and many other advantages, but none of these are critical for me. Plus I dont know anyone who uses video calling so I have noone to call with it!!!
But the worst part of the TYTN II is that its a MONSTER in both size and weight. Its like walking around with a brick in my pocket! For example, holding the phone while on a long call is very uncomfortable. I just dont like the form factor (actually I miss my Treos front facing keyboard).
So if you own a Touch, have a BT GPS device, can get by with wifi, and can get the hang of the on-board keyboard then I suggest you upgrade the ROM on the Touch and stick with it. Im sorry i didnt.
That said, now I own this device Im going to try to make it work for me and get used to it, or sell it!
About the size and weight, it should be subjective.
For me, it is perfect, not small, but not too big either.
The thickness is good, less than TyTn but more than Touch.
I have no problem handling and carrying it or making phone, etc.
The device is quite responsive, I dont have problem with it. The built-in keyboard is working fine except that I am not used to it yet, so sometimes I missed the key But, I am working on it (to get used to).
The thing that I dont like:
1. Takes a long time to fully charge from 10% to 100% ! More than 4 hours using USB connection.
2. Need more hardware button to map application I want to be able to switch application by using a hardware button. Well, I can replace one of the button, but ...
3. Camera and video recording sucks on indoor situation (low light), but very good on outdoor.
ekerbuddy said:
The good you already know so I wont go into all of that, but after all the hype I'm actually dissapointed with this device.
I am a long time treo user (my last machine being a very stable, but dull treo 680).
Last month I bought the HTC Touch (a FANTASTIC machine, especially with HTC Home). But after the Treo, I still need a keyboard as its basically hard work to enter long messages, even with the SIP keyboard (plus TYTN II has 3G and GPS).
So I got my TYTN II 2 days ago and im not enjoying the exeperience, especially when compared to the Touch which was flawless for me. I find that the machine hangs, isnt that responsive, the sound level is much lower than the Touch (both ear and speaker) and while its supposed to be 2x as fast, it really isnt much faster than the Touch. It does have a better screen than the Touch and many other advantages, but none of these are critical for me. Plus I dont know anyone who uses video calling so I have noone to call with it!!!
But the worst part of the TYTN II is that its a MONSTER in both size and weight. Its like walking around with a brick in my pocket! For example, holding the phone while on a long call is very uncomfortable. I just dont like the form factor (actually I miss my Treos front facing keyboard).
So if you own a Touch, have a BT GPS device, can get by with wifi, and can get the hang of the on-board keyboard then I suggest you upgrade the ROM on the Touch and stick with it. Im sorry i didnt.
That said, now I own this device Im going to try to make it work for me and get used to it, or sell it!
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gogol said:
The thing that I dont like:
1. Takes a long time to fully charge from 10% to 100% ! More than 4 hours using USB connection.
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You mean USB cable connected to computer - it always was like that. Hermes was not different. If you use wall charger, it will get job done quicker.
3. Camera and video recording sucks on indoor situation (low light), but very good on outdoor.
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Well.. what else can you expect? This is a phone, not real camera, it would always suck in low light. But camera is still pretty good, as for phone - while in good light conditions, of course.
demione said:
how's the in-call voice quality & signal strength from the kaiser's qualcomm chip, compared to previous htc phones (fo example, ones which featured the TI omap chip)?
and also how's the gps? is it really that much worse than a sirfstar to the point where it would become unusable in a city with many tall buildings?
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Both are really good. I was impressed by call quality, really. In terms of GPS, IMHO there is also nothing to complain about...
hardware audio control
technillion said:
1. There is no default hardware button that allows you to change the Sound Volume at any time...like when/if you're somewhere quiet and the phone rings loudly or a reminder pops up loudly. Many devices have Vol Up & Down buttons on the side of the device that will let you do this but with the TyTN II you'll have to either use the default Volume control icon at the top of the screen (which is tough to get to using a finger) or use the HTC Touch panel - assuming you have it enabled in the Task Panel settings. You can however adjust the volume during a call using the thumb wheel--which is nice.
TEC
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Actually the jog dial on the side defaults to volume control when you are in a call or running (foreground) an app that has volume aspects, like Media Player or HTC Audio Manager. Agreed that there's no general audio control tho. You can install 3rd party apps to give you one-touch scheme changes - check the Hermes forum for apps like O2+ (DiStefano's cab collection is nice).
Problem after phone calls
There seems to be a problem with the Kaiser. After finishing a phone call on the Kaiser the backlight goes off and stays off and I cannot access the Start menu. I can access all other functions but backlight stays off and one still cant get into the Start menu from anywhere on the screen. I have to press the power off button quickly once and then wait a second, press it again to be able to access the start button or the light to come on. This is definitely a bug in the tytn II and I hope HTC is doing something about this.
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There seems to be a problem with the Kaiser. After finishing a phone call on the Kaiser the backlight goes off and stays off and I cannot access the Start menu. I can access all other functions but backlight stays off and one still cant get into the Start menu from anywhere on the screen. I have to press the power off button quickly once and then wait a second, press it again to be able to access the start button or the light to come on. This is definitely a bug in the tytn II and I hope HTC is doing something about this.
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No such problems with my Kaiser. Maybe some specific application is causing such behavior? Try uninstalling some of them, and check - but the best test would be hard reset and check on 'clean' ROM. If problem still persists - get the warranty replacement.
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No such problems with my Kaiser. Maybe some specific application is causing such behavior? Try uninstalling some of them, and check - but the best test would be hard reset and check on 'clean' ROM. If problem still persists - get the warranty replacement.
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This has already been reported and confirmed by a few people and happens when you have a password word set on the device. If no device password is set it works okay and you will not be affected. Workaround at the moment is not to set a password or press the power button again after a call to get the device back on.
Regards
Phil
strange, I have a password and do not experience this problem (thru 3 different AT&T roms). I'm happy to test it out on whichever rom exhibits the problem tho.
The problem only seems to exist on the official HTC ROM.
just interested to see what people would choose.
sdhc slot.
have a longer battery life
Faster processor!
In htc album etc, the phone is a bit laggy. Iphone you can flick through photo's very fast, but diamond is much slower....
longer battery...
better speakers...like my old Nokia N95.
there isnt lag because of cpu the software isnt great(wm 6.1 is really slow)
I voted "longer battery life", but besides that, I have a bunch of things that would make my Diamond close to perfect for me:
- AWS-band 3G support for T-Mobile USA (this would easily be #1)
- slightly-rounded edge on the back battery cover and a flat back
- Easier-to-use buttons on the front panel. The panel is capacitive, why not take advantage of it?
- micro SD slot
well, voted for a bigger batery life. and #2 would be a microSD slot. then it would have been my ideal phone.
all things considered, after tweaking this device so much, you grow on it. but on second thought, if you have to do the tweaking first before you actually enjoy using it, then you may end up a bit dissapointed.
Tri-band UMTS.
SDHC slot.
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longer battery...
better speakers...like my old Nokia N95.
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Oh yeah, how did you guys forget that speaker? It;s honestly the worst thing I have heard in years (specially loudspeaker through calls) - and I'm not exaggerating one bit
If they built the perfect phone - who would need to buy another one?
Theres loads of things I would change but I still love it.
I had to use my Kaiser the other day and it felt like I was using a BBC Micro!
Although I wonder what I will be saying when I get my hands on an HD
I wish it were as solid as the Touch. Battery cover comes off too easily.
better speaker is missing in the vote options
Have screen that says on during calls.
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Oh yeah, how did you guys forget that speaker? It;s honestly the worst thing I have heard in years (specially loudspeaker through calls) - and I'm not exaggerating one bit
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really? i dont think its too bad - just a little to loud, when im in a call you can hear it in the room if its quiet :s. otherwise everyone thats used my phone has commented on my good call quality and most of my mates own blackberrys or nokia n-series handsets :s
i guess its official - battery life is the biggest thing to change loll
Id trade the dpad for a wide(tall)screen, and add another pair of buttons (matching the volume pair) on the other side for apps or shortcuts.
Mines a sprint, so battery life hasnt been an issue. Silly europeans and their super skinny paperweight once the battery runs out.
mSD slot would be nice, and better speaker(s) would be as well, but the screen size would be nicer.
- Music player sucks. When I add or delete new albums or songs it does not update itself.
- Some times TF3D does not respond.
- Birthdays doesn't appear on home screen.
- After 00:00 if I wake up the device it takes 10 seconds to display the time, because of the flipping effects.
- People (Quick dial) is stylish but is not really quick. Programs like quick dial would be much more usefull.
- E-Mail tab is useless.
- There is no CTRL key at the full QWERTY keyboard.
- I have to press add to add a word to my custom dictionary. With most of the PDA's it was automatic.
- I can't record phone calls.
- No built in answering machine.
wow someones really upset with there diamond loll
get rid of call history and calender tabs on home screen under the clock in tf3d cuz its nonsense
UP date 6-16-09 (is show as -- )
i just picked up a palm pre the 1st day it came out.witch was the 6th of this month. this is only my opinion oky guys.
Cons :
- no 3rd party apps (yet)
- the alarm sucks but i can say its a lot better then stock alarm for ppc
- the keypad is not as good looking and feeling as the htc ppc(6800-pro)
- no micro sd slot
- cant record videos only takes PIC
- no onscreen keyboard
-- no reset button.(so if you freeze the phone you have to take off the cover and the battery to reset it.)
-- cant do one hand slide to get the keyboard out and need to also touch the screen and help it move up to get the keyboard out.
-- battery life sucks with brightness all the way up and lots of usage it last me 1 to 2 hours only.
-- you cant save a file from the net.(i made a ring tone online and send it to my phone it it wont d.l. the ringtone)
-- you can make ring tones on line but only transfer it from your comp to the phone
-- only 3 slides to hold your apps and other icons.( it just get longer down the more you add )
-- copy and past is harder to do. to many steps
-- typing is a bit hard bc its not to conformable to hold and type.
-- takes a long time to charge to full if empty about 1 hour and 30 mins
-- cant change txt tone or any thing ( only ring tones and to contact ring tones )
-- carrying case that come with the PHONE sucks.and if you buy one it will run you around 30 to 60 bucks. but i use my HTC 6900 case for it fit perfect.
-- the phone get hot when charging or using the phone
-- no led lights (can be good or bad if u like the led lights to show if bt is on and the flash like on some htc phone)
-- -- for more info on the phone go to you tube and type in palm pre.( there is LOTS of video of the phone and comparing )
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Pros :
- faster then ppc(htc 6800-pro-6900)
- i can have like 5 to 8 program running and wont be as lagy as the ppc(u can have up to like 3 programs running on some ppc and it be super lagy and have to close it out)to make it run faster
- i like the look of it better look more high tech
- the graphic is great.bright colors and the image seem to look like if u was looking at it on a lap top or desk top
- 8 gb of rom (7GB user available)
- Headphone jack is the 3.5mm size
- love the Touchstone Charging Dock(wireless charger for your phone)
-- you can reset the phone (not freeze) by going to the home screen and go to the palm icon and reset your phone from there(they give you 3 options to choose hard reset, semi hard reset, and reset.)
-- camera works great a lot better then ppc 6800 - pro must of the ppc phone.
-- google maps and sprint nav works and looks a lot better then htc and other ppc phones
-- you can save up to lots of book marks on your phone right now i have 18 book mark with pictures to show what they are.(internet)
-- speaker and call volume is super loud
-- blue tooth connects fast and well. quality is oky bc i have a cheap one only for 20 bucks but i can say it connects and detect it fast.
-- the touchstone wireless charger is amazing no more plugging up the phone unless you are connecting it to your desktop or laptop.
-- it have a auto sensor (kind of like the G Sensor for htc pro) where if you are on the phone it auto turn off the screen and when u move it away from your ear it comes back on and when u put it back it turns off its amazing.
-- they added some cool apps
HTML:
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/pre-mobile-applications.html
-- emailing is THE BEST for this PHONE. nothing out there can win when it comes to emailing (yahoo works best) bc you cant get it the instant the sender send it. the others like gmail or hotmail you can set up time for it to check.
-- there is a switch for the phone to put the phone on vibrate or turn the phone off.(on tope of the phone)
-- for more info on the phone go to you tube and type in palm pre.( there is LOTS of video of the phone and comparing )
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that is it guys i think that that is enough info n must of the stuff that we need to know about the phone. pm me if you guys want more info on have question .
[email protected]
Thanks!
Can you post some pics or videos?
Cheers,
Yeah, I played around with it and liked it for a couple reasons and didn't for a couple as well.
The keyboard is not as good as the Pro. And the 8GB makes no sense to me. Every phone should have a Micro SD slot!
I did really like the web browsing. Similar to the iPhone in the sense that it works like going to a real web page and you can easily make it bigger with the 2 finger trick like the iPhone. I will wait and see what others say for a few months before deciding. My Pro lags a bit too much and causes a problem with my yahoo email. Plus it's very bulky unlike the Pre which is very slim and nice.
I'd certainly be willing to give Palm Pre a try later, when there're enough applications, when there is a GSM version (rather than CDMA) available. I hope the second generation has bigger screen and storage. Also hope they release a version without keyboard 'cos I do'nt like physical keyboard (too slow and too limiting and forcing you to only use it in portrait mode. I want the ability to use lots of versions and different layout depending on needs, such as for foreign language input/handwriting) I think it gives iPhone a good run for it's money from the look of it. So, will be keeping an eye on this baby. Like your comment on the speed depsite multitasking so many applications. Great feedback.
Think you meant 8gb of ROM
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Think you meant 8gb of ROM
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yes thank you ...... !!!!!
eaglesteve said:
I'd certainly be willing to give Palm Pre a try later, when there're enough applications, when there is a GSM version (rather than CDMA) available. I hope the second generation has bigger screen and storage. Also hope they release a version without keyboard 'cos I do'nt like physical keyboard (too slow and too limiting and forcing you to only use it in portrait mode. I want the ability to use lots of versions and different layout depending on needs, such as for foreign language input/handwriting) I think it gives iPhone a good run for it's money from the look of it. So, will be keeping an eye on this baby. Like your comment on the speed depsite multitasking so many applications. Great feedback.
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thank you im trying to tell you guys on how i see it.coming from a HTC lover.
but i can say that i do like the pre also. and i think i will keep the pre untill HTC come up with a GREATER PHONE with multitasking.
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Yeah, I played around with it and liked it for a couple reasons and didn't for a couple as well.
The keyboard is not as good as the Pro. And the 8GB makes no sense to me. Every phone should have a Micro SD slot!
I did really like the web browsing. Similar to the iPhone in the sense that it works like going to a real web page and you can easily make it bigger with the 2 finger trick like the iPhone. I will wait and see what others say for a few months before deciding. My Pro lags a bit too much and causes a problem with my yahoo email. Plus it's very bulky unlike the Pre which is very slim and nice.
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yes the pre should have came with a micro sd slot.that is one of the biggest mistake that they did. and with yahoo email you will LOVE IT bc i have 4 yahoo email account one for personal use other for registering and so on so on.
and when i get a new email it SHOW up on my phone the instent i receive it from the sender its GREAT for emailing GREAT...
To reset the phone without removing the back and the battery do the following.
Hold down the power button and toggle the ringer switch 4 times.
Zyphlin said:
To reset the phone without removing the back and the battery do the following.
Hold down the power button and toggle the ringer switch 4 times.
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i try it but it didnt work just say turn off / airplane mode ??
Good feedback.
I just bought one on Friday.
The battery thing is a major problem IMO, I charged it all night untill noon the next day, by six the phone was almost dead, BOGUS. Palm is supposed to have a replacement battery coming out very soon. Gonna argue I want one for free.
LET ME PUT MY OWN TEXT TONES!!!
DEFINITELY need an on-screen keyboard.
IMO the speaker could be twice as loud.
Yeah the stinkin thing gets HOT.
Buy the wireless charging doc, using the plug is a PITA.
Web pages load nice and smooth for me, better than the Iphone IMO. The Iphone was always freezing up on me, even with general apps. The Pre is nice and light, although I'm coming from a brick they call an HTC Tilt so anything would probably be lighter. Very bright, clear screen, this I like. I don't need an SD slot, why would I ever fill up 7 gigs on a phone?
Overall I'm content so far.
BEST PART so far, I got drunk the night I bought it and was callin it the Palm Tree.
i like how the pre looks but i love WM
Video of Pre
A video here of how its working on GSM in Vietnam!
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...ht-playing-with-gsm-sim-in-vietnam/#continued
Anyone got the Sony liveview? I ordered it from play.com but its not arrived yet will post my comments here
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No not yet i will get one after crimbo
What i do have is a Sony bluetooth watch same as a liveview as such and it works very well on the streak
Give us a few pics and a write up when it arrives if you don't mind
I have one
I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob
Some question:
1. Does the watch alert me instantly if gmail email, sms, call arrives?
2. Can I read my gmail emails on the watch?
if yes, this email marks as read after reading on the PDA?
3. When more emails come, is there any repeated aalert functon?
4. What about the battery usage of the app?
5. Is there any widget?
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I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob
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Thanks for that think i will stick to my MBW-150 With Open Watch great program for the watch
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Thanks for that think i will stick to my MBW-150 With Open Watch great program for the watch
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Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?
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Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?
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It shows who is calling.
it vibrates not beeps.
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Hey does ur watch show whos calling? or just that you had a missed call? does it beep or vibrate on incoming notifications?
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It Does
- Start on boot
- Call notification (name or number)
- Silent/reject incoming call
- SMS notification (name or number and text preview)
- MMS notification
- Media player control (play/pause, next/previous track, volume up/down)
- Music info (track and artist)
- Gmail notification (sender and subject)
- K-9 mail notification (sender and subject)
- Calendar notification (time and event name)
- Alarm notification
- IM notification (Mundu IM - sender and text preview, Hi AIM/MSN/Yahoo)
- Display number of unread SMS+MMS, Gmail, missed calls, battery
- Ability to Silence ringer on incoming call
- English, Russian, Greek, German, Swedish, Norwegian, French, Czech fonts
- Slovak, Polish accents stripping
- Any language support for mail/sms/music/appointment (Chinese, Japanese, Korean...)
- English, German and Czech localization (contact me if you want to translate the text or improve it)
- Notification bar icon
If you use Openwatch great program for the mbw-150
Sounds awsome i might grab one.
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I have received the LiveView via an Australian online reseller, and although it can pair with my Archos 70 running Android 2.2, I can't find the LiveView application in Market. I have searched for about a week using different versions of the name -- it doesn't show up at all. I have found and downloaded the plugins for Gmail, etc. but all useless unless I have the main app. Even when I use the LiveWare Manager and it asks me to download LiveView from Market it still can't find it. I live is Australia, so is this a location issue? Can someone help me out here? Can this app be sideloaded from somewhere else? The LiveView is pretty useless without it...
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robroy90 said:
I got mine from Expansys, and how shall I say it?
So far, I am incredibly underwhelmed with it. It is not a finished product, in my opinion. The software you load on your android device is a resource HOG, and the performance is poor. It causes freezes for me, and the design is terrible.
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying.
I haven't found a way to get alerts in real-time on the screen like I could with my Sony MBW-150 watch. You have to activate the screen on the liveview to see text messages, etc.
Unless I am missing something, I think you would do well to avoid this. I was really excited for it to arrive, now I find myself wishing I could return it. My only hope now is that SE gets their act together and finished a product that wasn't even ready for release. However, I am not holding my breath...
Hope that helps!
-Rob
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New firmware update in January might help you out?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-ericsson-liveview-getting-much-needed-january-update/
Crikey maybe mine getting lost in the post was a god send. Might tryagain if they are in the sale
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it's easy to get.
Andrew de Quincey has some technical details on the LiveView (You'll have to Google his name as I'm too new to post links).
According to him, the protocol is pretty simple, so tossing the original Sony implementation into the garbage and starting over shouldn't be too hard. Then again, this is a guy who figured out how to write Kindlets without the KDK
liveview
i currently own a liveview with the update they did back in January. so far works perfectly no disconnect issues and real time updates very handy gadget has saved me from fumbling for my phone so many times
Well I got one.......eventually!....damn you play.com
Well its not too bad....some details
@Size - its quite thick and would be better if it was thinner. But not so thick its a problem/eyesore.
@strap - is an elasticated black Velcro affair. Not that sturdy but ok. Ibam looking to replace the strap with something wider and more robust/stylish. Negative is that the liveview can pop out of its holder if bashed hard enough. It doesnt need to be that hard. The problem is thst you can lose it this way. Mist times I dropped it it stayed in the sleave of my coat Alternatively there is a clip.
@operation - pretty simple.
Turn it on. Pair with phone. Then connect with liveview app on phone. Go into settings to connect twitter/facebook/plugins etc.
Notifications vibrate on your wrist.
To look at notifications then press button twice (First press gives you the time). To scroll press the outer part of the display. Not great way to navigate but it works. Buttons would prob be better.
@connectivity - the update has improved connectivity significantly. Before it was pretty much unusable. It still loses connection every now and again but at a managabke level.(although I have noticed djsteve rom 1.7 onwards has made it worse.
@battery life - since the update I get a days life, often more. It depends on how many disconnects you get. However the battery level indicator needs some work, it shows full when it isn't and the only time it doesn't show full is when it shows 3/4 which indicate its almost out of charge.
@screen and menu - this is not so great. The icons don't fill out the screen. They look washed out in appearance.
@general - i bought this not expecting too much, but as an investment in something that will improve on the next generation. In its current incarnation is ok, and I certainly don't regret buying it and when its connected I find its notifications very useful. I also use it as a watch, so for £50 its not a bad accessory.
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robroy90 said:
For example, with the wrist strap they include, which makes it only marginally passable as a watch, you have to remove the pin for the band just to charge it. Just minor things like that which make it annoying
-Rob
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Thus isn't true. To charge you just pop the watch out of the strap then plug in the charger. However this is the one design fault that means many of these will get lost.
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I broke down and ordered one using a some Amazon gift card $$$ I had. The TL;DR is: Cool concept, so-so implementation, wouldn't buy it again at more than $40.
What really ticked me off was that the official LiveView Facebook plugin asks for a boatload more rights to your account than it really needs. IIRC, it wants the ability to write to your wall and read your data any time. There's a Gmail plugin, but it's third party and I'm not sure I really want to put my Gmail credentials into something provided by an unknown third party.
I must say.. trust SE to come up with such crap.. don't get me wrong.. I think their devices are good to decent.. however Liveview is just HORRIBLE.. bluetooth dc almost every few hours and doesn't get reconnected back.. Make is kinda plasticky and the frame holder is not tight enough. I believe a normal knock on a busy subway would detach the device. I only used it for less then 2 weeks and I gave up on it.. its still in my drawer rotting away coz i dun even think its right to sell it off to anyone.
If you want a good watch for ID or alert purposes, I would say SE MBW-150 is the best.. only thing now is if you can find it.. I wouldn't recommend any second hand for this unless you can check on it physically prior to purchase.. make sure the LCD is still bright.. I'm on the second MBW-150.. LCD on the first one already dimed out till unreadable after more than a year.
I'm currently also on another inPulse watch. Got it for few weeks now. Its not great but I'd say it has potential.. they just gotta make the battery life better and have better QC.. my first set was way faulty but at least support was prompt and they got me a good replacement.