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Hello,
I bought a brand new 'HTC - Kaiser' (precisely a 'HTC - TyTN II' directly from Orange in France), in order to replace my old 'HTC - Hermes'.
First, I was surprised not to see a GPS option in the 'Communication Manager'. As you can switch ON/OFF wifi or bluetooth, you should be able to switch ON/OFF the GPS, isn't it ?
Secondly, I installed Tomtom v6.032 on my PPC, but I could not get any signal at all. I went in the options, and tried with all GPS option devices, with no success.
With 'Built-in GPS receiver' and 'Other NMEA GPS receiver' options, I always have "No valid GPS signal !". Do I have to start GPS somewhere on my PPC before starting TomTom ?
Thirdly, I looked for help on xda-developers.com here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1735972&postcount=112
I followed his recommendations, I changed:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOnePort]
"CommPort"="COM1:" (instead of: "COM0:")
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]
"DriverInterface"="COM0:" (instead of "COM4:"
And it after this I could have some signal. But then after shutting down Tomtom and reopen or after a soft reset, it does not work any more, at all ! What happens ? I don't understand.
Why my GPS just not work out of the box ?
Please help ! I switch to the Kaiser for the GPS feature, and it does not work :'(
I tried all my test outside with a clear weather, waiting for about 3 minutes each time.
it should work right out of the box.
for me (i have a tilt) gps is on com4. i use tomtom and you have to make sure the correct com port.
I could be wrong but I believe that in tomtom if you get the message "no valid GPS signal" that actually means every thing is set up correctly. you just need to wait, could take some time. tomtom starts the gps itself. watch the leds on the phone. when GPS is on the right LED will flash.
you may want to check out some other programs. tomtom does seem to take a little longer to get a fix in my opinion.
BTW check out my signature, you can use navizon and make some money once you get that gps working
There's no seperate GPS connection. The GPS just uses your data connection. If you can connect to 3G, then your GPS will also work. Try using Google Maps and clicking "Use GPS", leave your phone in one spot for a few minutes and see if you can get some sattelites that way.
As always, someome smarter can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is from my experience.
There is no way to "turn on" gps, programs access it when they need it, and it's off when they don't
Your first fix can take up to 45 minutes, although min eonly took about 5.
If you look in the extracted HTC cabs threads, you can find a program called "HTC GPS tool" Run this and select "clear memory" as the option, and that'll get a fix after a while. after that, After soft resets you should use "cold start", I think...
After this has fgot a fix you can use other programs on the COM4 channel.
Hope this helps
I have had my Tilt for about 2 months. Recently, I took a trip from L.A. to N.Y.C. As soon as I got to NYC, I ran QuickGPS, but was entirely unable to get GPS to work at all during the week I was there (queens, manhattan, roads, etc).
I posted an inquiry about backing up and hard resets. Rather than getting an answer to the question, I was given direction to make sure my GPS really didn't work.
That chain pushed me to GPS Test v1.04 by Chartcross. It is free, and can found on the web and on this forum. In NY I could not get a signal no matter what even running it.
When I landed in LA I ran it again ... it stayed at "Starting Up" for a while, but then miraculously started showing bars.
So --- I recommend that you (1) run Quick GPS, (2) install this program, and (3) let it run and run and run. Also make sure you are in an area where GPS is accessible.
It can take a very long time to get GPS to work on the tilt. Many times, it takes longer to find a signal than the trip you were hoping to TomTom through. Its the nature of the beast.
chris247 said:
I tried all my test outside with a clear weather, waiting for about 3 minutes each time.
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Yep, like all the others have said leave it fore longer. 3 mins isn't enough time. If after 30-45mins of being left in one place (no moving it around!) with a clear view of the sky for the first time and TomTom is still saying "No valid GPS signal" then start worrying...
Thank for your enthusiasm. I carefully read your post, here is want I discovered:
You mentionned about having a 3G data connection. First I was wondering why do you talked about that: this as nothing to do with GPS. Then I thought I should give it a try. Up to now, I haven't yet put my SIM card in my brand new 'HTC - Kaiser'. I didn't mention it in my 1st post, as I though it could not have a link with my GPS problem. I put the SIM card in the phone, then started Tomtom, I was surprised to see that a 3G data connection was automatically started, and a few seconds later, the GPS worked perfectly.
I can't believe it, I could not have the GPS working because there was no SIM card in my phone !
First I thought that the data connection was for retrieving Tomtom traffic info online, but then I discoved that even with 'HTC - GPS Tool v1.1.1.0', a 3G data connection is started prior to getting my localization.
I read about QuickGPS, and learnt that it is the thing that causes the 3G data connection to start prior to getting my localization.
Why is QuickGPS starting automatically ? Is QuickGPS compulsory for localization ? Can I stop this behavior and have everything running through GPS ?
Chris
MAYBE IF YOU TR THIS ONE
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AND IT WORKED FOR ME
JUST ASSIGN THE INCOMING PORT TO COM4, AND OUTGOING VIRTUAL COM5
http://www.plunder.com/GPSGate-download-37727.htm
GPS and 3G have nothing to do with each other. They are too completely different things.
GPS does not need 3G to function!
Some GPS programs (like google maps), do require a internet connection to download data, thats when 3G comes in (not necessary, could use wifi and gprs instead).
What is strange is that in Orange ROM (at least in France), a GPRS connection is made automatically each time you want to use your GPS. If the GPRS connection is NOT successful, you can not use the GPS (with tomtom, or any other testing GPS tool). How can I change this behavior ? I do not have an unlimited GPRS subscription !
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What is strange is that in Orange ROM (at least in France), a GPRS connection is made automatically each time you want to use your GPS. If the GPRS connection is NOT successful, you can not use the GPS (with tomtom, or any other testing GPS tool). How can I change this behavior ? I do not have an unlimited GPRS subscription !
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It's required GPRS connection because you might have selected tomtom plus services such as Traffic, Weather. Just to be sure, take out your SIM or turn off the radio to see what happen. BTW, flash a different ROM is another choice.
Did you installed Google Navigator as my Kaisers GPS unit stopped to work after i installed GN?
On Orange ROM (in France), everytime you want to get GPS, you first have to connect to the Internet. It is not link with TomTom Plus, because even with HTC GPS tool software, you need to let the phone automatically connect to the Orange network prior to getting your location with the GPS. If you do NOT have a SIM card and the possibility to connect online with your phone, you get NO GPS location.
Please, help
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On Orange ROM (in France), everytime you want to get GPS, you first have to connect to the Internet. It is not link with TomTom Plus, because even with HTC GPS tool software, you need to let the phone automatically connect to the Orange network prior to getting your location with the GPS. If you do NOT have a SIM card and the possibility to connect online with your phone, you get NO GPS location.
Please, help
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As NGHIEM said above, flash a new ROM and this behaviour will stop. Try Duttys or Schaps for best stability etc.
I am using an AT&T Tilt with Garmin Mobile XT and there is an option to turn off Internet Data (Traffic, weather, etc.) in Garmin. If I want to use the GPS with no radios on I have to disable the Internet Data option otherwise the program tries to make that connection first and never acquires a fix. That may be part of your problem. I also just tried the HTC GPS Tool with no SIM card in flight mode and it got a fix in under 2 minutes inside my house by a window. Garmin also started fine. The GPS is an independent receiver and should require no other data. It appears that some other program is starting along with the GPS and trying to access the Internet. Like others have said before you can probably solve your problem by flashing a new rom.
I think I have found the solution:
- In the registry change:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=0 (instead of: 1)
Now everytime I use my GPS (with HTC GPS Tool, or Tomtom), the automatic GPRS connection is not started !
Please give your feedback about this.
Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip file
Hi,
I am looking for this file to do the Garmin mobile XT installation. This file, Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip, is not available at rapidshare.
Can you help please?
Regards.
Pieter
pvblomm said:
Hi,
I am looking for this file to do the Garmin mobile XT installation. This file, Que_EN_Unlock_All_.zip, is not available at rapidshare.
Can you help please?
Regards.
Pieter
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What is this file about ?
I've searched and searched but couldn't find it (only references to it in other ROMs). Could someone either please post the HTC GPS Tool.cab or point me in the right direction as to where I can find it?
I know it's in a couple of ROM releases, but I'm happy with what I have now and just want that file.
Thanks, guys!
EDIT: Nevermind, guys. I found it. Thanks!
No card is found
I have installed TomTom on my new Kaiser and downloaded the free citymap, but when I then run TomTom it says: No card is found. What am I doing wrong?
Can someone please help me?
I have tried these programs:
Tomtom 6
Tomtom 7
GPSdash
BeeLineGPS
WMMiniGPS
GPS tuner
Google maps
I'm using the latest TLR ROM. My GPS setting are default. Com4 Baud rate: 4800.
Here's the problem. The programs seem to find the receiver and seem to find the satellites. (10-15). But I can get absolutely no signal at all. Indoors or outdoors.
I'm getting quite desperate
Have you used any of the tweaks for GPS? I ask as I did but my signal kept dropping - so I turned the tweak off and now it is fine.
I would also suggest using the QuickGPS application to get the Satellite information quicker
I've tried disabling agps. Didn't help. And yes I have used QuickGPS... but no luck.
Any suggestions? : [
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Was it the first try? When I tried first it was 6-8 minutes. Where do you try? In the outdoor?
Have you ever used it?
TB
Do you have correct setting "GPS is managed automatically" ?
When I set to GPS is managed manually, I could not found any way to power on builtin GPS. You have to check box "GPS is managed automatically". I think, it may be point of your problem
I had the exact same issue dude... TomTom 6 didn't work so I installed TomTOm 7... still no signal... even with QuickGPS ran...
Google Maps didn't work either....
I'm not sure what I did in the end... took out the battery, set GPS to 'let windows manage automatically' and ran Quick GPS again.. then run TomTOm 7, go to the 'GPS Status' screen which shows the sat signal charts and stand in a wide open area for 5 mins.. ever since then it has worked fine
all the best.
btw you have to make sure your system date and time are accurate coz otherwise it'll be searching for Sats with a wrong reference to the Sat almanac..
Yes, it's set to manage automatically. I've been trying to get a signal by the window, I left the device just sitting there for more than a half hour and still nothing. I guess I'll have to try longer while being outdoors. Hope it helps... but thanks for your help.
I did that too and it didn't work for me. You have to be outside for the 1st time GPS fix and make sure you run QuickGPS before that. Ohh yeah use TomTom 7 to detect the signal... I find that the most reliable somehow... and be sure it's configured to use the built-in GPS receiver...
I know it feels odd... I nearly sent my unit back for warranty because I was very convinced that the patch antenna was somehow disconnected from the chip. lol.
I had the same issue at one point, due to my fiddling and inadequate hacking attempts!
see if you can track down the HTC GPS tool (it's here on XDA somewhere, but i can't find a link at the mo) and run that.
Chipset should be set to Q7200 (yes i know its actually a 7201A but it works the same) and com port to com 4.
Tap the open port button and you should see the GOS info scrolling through the grey window in the program.
If you see nothing, check the external GPS settings
program tab should be com 4
hardware tab should be non and 4800
last tab should be ticked.
if you still get no GPS info scrolling through the gps tool, then it seems you have the same problem i did. Sadly, i had to hard reset it to get it working again, but it has been perfect ever since.
FYI, this started happening once i had turned aGPS on, and even turning it off did not work for me, so if you have to hard reset, i wouldn't bother ever turning the aGPS on again.
where's the option to turn aGPS on/off?
I just remembered how I resolved my issue... I put a SIM card in I had previously been trying to use it with WiFi (to update QuickGPS) but once I had a SIM in there, the GPS worked. Could it be because I'm now using aGPS? hmm...
you need to install schaps advanced config tool to get to the setting to turn aGPS on and off again.
it seems to be off by default btw.
rhedgehog said:
you need to install schaps advanced config tool to get to the setting to turn aGPS on and off again.
it seems to be off by default btw.
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I also kept lossing the GPS signal with this on every few seconds. So I turned it off for good
did you maybe install voip on your diamond? If so that's your problem there. Hard reset you diamond don't install voip en there you go.
It worked! Thank you all.... I had to sit for half an hour in direct sunlight but it was well worth it... I'm new to gps... do you have to do this with every new gps receiver or is this just another great feature from HTC?
I'm, having the same probelm here.
I'm on my second diamond as the first one (a HK version) had a fault with the internal speeker. On the First phone the internal GPS worked fine with both TOMTOM 6 and Google maps. The initial setup only took about 30 secs.
With the new phone (UK spec) I have tried TT7, TT6 and Google maps. I have also run quiick GPS, hard reset and enabling and disabling assisted GPS using the advanced config tool.
Is there anything else I should try or is this likely to be another hardware issue?
Solution To Gps Problem
if you installed VOIP you should hard reset...gps dead...:-( no other solution.
Help! My Diamond GPS reception is MUCH worse than on my Touch Cruise
Hi,
I've just got a Touch Diamond, and the GPS reception is absolutely appalling. I have hard-reset twice, after which I've done nothing except download a QuickGPS update, but still the signal strength and its ability to connect to satellites is completely inconsistent and unreliable, even outdoors. I CAN get a good signal occasionally, but it's very rare. Most often I get no GPS signals whatsoever, or else I get just a couple of weak greyed-out signal bars in TomTom.
I can lay my Diamond down next to my Touch Cruise (both have identical TomTom 6 software loaded from the same CAB), and the Cruise always launches the app faster, finds the GPS device faster, AND finds adequate satellites faster. The Touch Cruise has a lot of problems, but the one thing it has always been very good at is GPS, and it has NEVER failed to find adequate satellites in TomTom 6, even indoors. It always takes well under a minute to do so, too. It's surely not unreasonable to expect at least the same level of performance from the next generation of device. Why should the Diamond's GPS performance be demonstrably so much worse?!!
Nine times out of ten, my Touch Diamond will simply sit there for an hour or more with the TomTom status bar reading 'Waiting for valid GPS signal...". Quite often when I open the GPS configuration option in TT6, it shows absolutely NO SHRED of a GPS signal whatsoever, even outdoors. (My Diamond and my Cruise have identical GPS settings in both Windows and TomTom, by the way).
The annoying thing is that the Diamond's GPS HAS worked on a couple of rare occasions, and the signal strength has been at least as good as on my Touch Cruise. The Diamond is much worse at holding the signal however, and is totally and utterly unreliable for navigation. It certainly isn't the 'Ultra-sensitive GPS' that HTC's marketing promised - it's nowhere near as good as the GPS on the Cruise, which is the previous generation! The Diamond's GPS DOES work well on very rare occasions - it's just that 95 times out of 100, I'm not getting anything at all. This makes me wonder if it isn't a WM 6.1 compatibility problem or a conflict of some kind. It's almost as if Windows is having difficulty activating/waking the GPS fully. When (and if) it finally gets going, reception is actually very good.
I have also downloaded the HTC GPS Tool as someone here suggested, and it reveals the same results as TomTom - I usually get either no satellites at all, or I get two or three red satellite status bars and a message saying 'Fix not available'. It ALWAYS shows a data stream coming from COM4 though, so there doesn't seem to be any problem actually finding the GPS device. On the rare occasions when I have got a usable GPS signal, the HTC Tool then shows two or three red status bars and three or four green ones as well. During those rare periods, Google Maps can also find anything from three to ten satellites, even indoors. However, the next few times I try the Diamond's GPS, nothing will happen at all - it's suddenly as if all the satellites have fallen out of the sky.
By the way, would QuickGPS make ANY difference on the Diamond? As other have pointed out, aGPS is disabled on the Diamond by default. Aren't QuickGPS and aGPS the same thing? I don't know. But if so, surely the QuickGPS data is useless on the Diamond?
Does anyone have ANY idea how to make GPS on the Diamond work as well as it does on the Touch Cruise? Does anyone know why it doesn't already? Has anyone else done a direct comparison between the Diamond and another HTC device using the same GPS software?
I really like the Diamond, but it's incredibly frustrating that the GPS is unreliable to the point of being unusable. At the moment, I'm having to carry the Cruise for GPS navigation and the Diamond for everything else! Certainly not what I paid for. It should do this stuff straight out of the box. Since it doesn't, I can only assume my device is faulty so if I can't get it fixed by the weekend, I'm returning it for a replacement.
Thanks,
Rob.
P.S. Sorry for such a long post, but I needed to vent.
Hi there, I'm having the same problem as RH Photography.
All the programs are trying to communicate, but no fix at all. Once I got a fix, but only 4 sattelites, when in my car GPS BT had fixed to 9!
Will try hard reset and install HTC GPS tool an try to fix
Hi there,
This topic is about my experience of configuring a-gps manually with a French operator. This may help others.
I installed a few day ago the last french official HTC ROM (see here)
My Diamond is SFR branded (French Vodafone), and after upgrading from the native SFR ROM to the HTC one, I felt a slowdown to get a good GPS signal for the apps I use: Googlemaps and iGo8. The signal also seemed less accurate.
I decided to investigate this way.
First of all, some elements that may be obvious for most of you, but reminding them does not hurt:
A-gps is a system that enhances GPS performance, by connecting to an a-gps server. As a matter of fact, this server makes use of cellular network signal to locate you faster. For further informations, see Wikipedia a-gps article.
AFAIK, a-gps is different from Quick GPS (see here) In particular, config values for a-gps and Quick GPS are located in different registry keys on Diamond.
Now let's get deeper into a-gps:
You can, once again AFAIK (and you'll correct me if I'm wrong ), use two kinds of a-gps server:
Your mobile vendor's server (i.e. HTC)
Your operator's server
I remembered that on some phones (at least Nokia N95), you have to define manually your a-gps server when using SFR network.
For Nokia, the problem is that the port used by the vendor's server is blocked by SFR WAP connection.
This is not the case of HTC a-gps server, since using HTC rom does not inhibit a-gps: it only seemed slower to me than with my SFR rom.
Here are the registry parameters for a-gps, on the original HTC ROM:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"ServerIP"="10.1.101.63"
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
I guess "10.1.101.63" is the IP address of an HTC's a-gps server (?!)
I then downgraded to native SFR ROM, and here was the same key:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS]
"ServerURL"="geoloc2.sfr.fr"
"GPRSConnection"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"Network"="WAP SFR GPRS"
"EnableAGPS"=dword:00000001
"EnabledPrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"CloseConfirmMsgTime"=dword:0000003C
"PrivacyMethod"=dword:00000000
"EnableLocInfo"=dword:00000001
"ServerPort"=dword:00001C6B
"QosPerformance"=dword:00000059
"QoSAccuracy"=dword:00000032
"TimeBetweenFixes"=dword:00000001
"NumberFixes"=dword:3B9AC9FF
"GPSMode"=dword:00000002
As you see, the server is defined with its URL, "geoloc2.sfr.fr" (known as one of SFR's a-gps servers), and some parameters are different.
Of course, you have to replace "WAP SFR GPRS" by the network connection you want to use.
I upgraded to HTC ROM again, and set the operator's rom values.
Now I've got the feeling that it's harder, better, faster, stronger (and more accurate).
By the way, QuickGPS is configured in the following key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\QuickGPS].
Note that, on SFR branded rom, this key does not even exist.
Hope this helps.
I've wondered why Quick GPS seems to replace the A-GPS feature on the diamond. QuickGPS doesn't seem to do a damn thing for me. From cold boot, I can stand in open air for 5 minutes until I even start to get a peek at a couple of satellites. How can we be sure that QuickGPS is even working at all?
I used to own a Nokia N95 that had the A-GPS feature, the GPS inside the N95 was pretty average. But with the A-GPS feature you could at least get a lock in under 10 seconds, every time. As long as you had configured your positioning server, (supl.nokia.com) and you had a data connection, then it was consistently under 10 seconds from cold boot. Without A-GPS it was more like 5 minutes plus, basically what I'm seeing on the diamond.
As people have noticed, using tools like Advanced Config to enable A-GPS breaks the GPS completely. Probably because of the missing settings such as you have outlined above, (I noticed these settings while poking around in the registry recently too). I wonder how we can find out what the server names for other countries are and get this working for eveyone.
Also, the IP address 10.1.101.63 is a private IP address so I guess that explains why it fails when you switch AGPS on, that address will never be contactable, so they must have used it for some kind of internal testing - but if it's working for you (with your new settings) then why did HTC choose to leave it broken for the other ROMS....
Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
I also tested a N95 8Go recently, and I had the same results.
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
Did you give it a try?
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Well... Since I updated to this last HTC rom, QuickGPS "does work". I mean, it is an installed program, therefore available in "programs" list, and when I launch it, I can "download" data to update it. Though I don't have a cue of what use is made of this technology on Diamond.
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Yes I have i too, and it connects and downloads data ok. But does it speed up a GPS lock? I don't think it does. I've hard reset and just run TomTom without QuickGPS and then with QuickGPS and I cannot for the life if me see any difference at all. In TomTom Satellite screen, you can see no data. If it was working, you should see all Satellite 'numbers' in their respective little boxes and then the tracking would begin almost immediately. But I'm not seeing this.
I've always used Advanced Config to enable A-GPS, and it has always worked for me. But if it breaks the GPS, I guess you can do it from the registry by setting "EnableAGPS" value to 1.
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Many people have said that enabling A-GPS (via advanced config or direct reg edit) makes the GPS stop working completely i.e. never getting a lock. If you have got this working for you, as far as I know, you're one of the first! Lucky you!
But I'm not sure to understand your need: Diamond has both A-GPS and QuickGPS. I don't think QuickGPS is very efficient, but A-GPS is.
I do also think that setting the "ServerIP" value to "10.1.101.63" must work worldwide, since I bet this is HTC's a-gps server.
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No that IP address is within a private non-routable range for internal private networks and cannot be reached from the internet. Read this if you want more info.
I do agree though on the A-GPS being better, and with my experience with Nokia phones A-GPS is excellent. I don't understand what it is that QuickGPS is trying to do, because there is nothing quick about it. I thought it would be similar to A-GPS (in how it actually works) but now I'm confused :/
With this, GPS signal takes about 30 seconds to lock (at first use after soft-reseting, but may be under 10 seconds for next uses).
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Now that's the sort of time we all should expect when using an assisted/quick GPS aid to the actual GPS chip. It should be lightning fast. So to me it says QuickGPS is pretty lame, as everyone is using it by default in all ROMS and there are many many people complaining about the GPS not getting a lock at all. So it can't possibly be working properly. And if it is, it still sux.
I'm going to try and replicate those settings you have above on my Diamond and see how it goes. I'll post back shortly.
OK well I've put all those settings in, but still no luck. It is not working. I've been waiting several minutes and still cant even get a fix.
It's not out of the realms of possibility that SFR's A-GPS server can only be used by SFR customers. After all, they assign you your IP address when you connect to the web on your diamond so they could easily lock it down so that random people cannot use it. In fact that would make a lot of sense.
I think we're close, but I guess we need to find a SUPL A-GPS server that is open to the public, maybe? Or certainly at least find out if HTC has one that we can use that is accessible via the internet... Maybe someone else has some ideas?
you can try: "supl.nokia.com" instead of "geoloc2.sfr.fr"
Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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Have you tried this, and what port does it use?
I'd been playing some more and found out having it enabled really screws things up - TomTom thinks it has a lock, then it doesn't, then it does, then it doesn't, etc. It's really bugging out. So I just switched it off.
I'm really interested to know though if A-GPS will help with the ongoing GPS-Lag/inaccuracies problem, some poeple have reported that the lag is fixed in the new OS builds floating around but I can confirm that it is not fixed - in fact it felt like it was worse!
This GPS is causing too many headaches!!!
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I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
I got ip adress of HTC aGPS server!
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
saveferris said:
I'm also in Australia and i'm having the exact issues as you in regards to GPS lag and inaccuracies, i do however get a fix quite quickly, first time after a ROM change it takes a while but after that its somewhere between 30 sec and 1 min 30. I have changed my rom many times updating to all the latest custom ROM's, still its inaccuracy remains, its about 40 metres off on my device. I live inhouse number 16 and yet it tells me I'm at house 20. Like WTF........
What a pain in the arse!!!!
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Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
salada2k said:
Tell me about it. Mine is about 50m off 90% of the time, sometimes it looks like it might be ok. The other thing I noticed today is that the 'speedo' in TomTom i.e. the bit on the status bar that tells you how fast you're going - which is usually very accurate - still tells me I'm going 15km/h, then slowly counts down to zero anything up to 20 seconds after reaching a complete stop! I am starting to regret spending money on TomTom. But to quantify that, I don't blame THEM, I'm just pissed I've shelled out so much for the Diamond + TomTom and the fkng things dont work properly. We have to get to the bottom of this!
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Yep, its all the same issues I'm having, but not just with tomtom, I'm using iGo8 and garmin XT with no success.
This was written by me on another thread complaining about the GPS.
I called HTC support Australia and informed them off its fault with GPS lag and its accuracy, I informed them that over 50% of users are having this issue on the XDA forum, they told me that no fault has been logged and there isn't an issue, It may be time to call up the tech support and make some noise to get this issue resolved. its a pain in the arse and it shouldn't be happening.
I also called up Hong Kong Customer support the other day and they said the exact same thing...... i think.... the chicks English was just deplorable.
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
saveferris said:
I think i may call the Australian HTC support again, and just irritate the **** out of them, hopefully this time they may have a solution for me.
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I hope you can get somewhere mate! Good luck!
lowrider_05 said:
its the 64.14.59.165
you got to just change the htc stock server of the diamond to this and its working well for me.
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anyone tried if this really works?
Is IgO 8 working with A-GPS enabled?
Thanks
Update/Refresh of GPS data
Maybe a stupid question, but how can I update the a-GPS data or does the device update the data automatically?
pls delete
lit2fly said:
anyone tried if this really works?
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Well, it does seem to be some kind of Navigation related server - I am trying now...
Well, it doesn't seem to have made a difference - but I will test some more...
lowrider - where did you find that IP?
What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
steph90 said:
What is the data amount when using AGPS ?
Are some data only transferred when opening TomTom ?
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It should be only a few KB send, and then a little more KB received.
It should only happen when the GPS is activated (e.g. you start TomTom) and then the A-GPS would kick in then. It should not transfer any more data unless you lost the GPS signal, then it would assist the GPS in getting a lock again, and therefore transfer another few KB.
HI There
Trying to find a program that displays GPS signal and connection on the Today screen, I've done a bit of searching like, and came back with [<b>GPSToday0.9.9.1</b>] but it seems to act erratically, when you switch it on it doesn't do anything, I used GPSTest to ensure I was recieving GPS, and I got 3D lock in under a minute, however GPS on GPSToday still claimed no lock, it eventually showed a couple of satellites in use but only a few minutes after actual lock, plus the mapping bit is only US enabled, which although a bonus is still a bummer. (im in the UK)
Then I found [<b>GPS Sentry</b>] which cost me a little to purchase, is supposed to be a good solution but again it doesn't seem to work with Kaiser/TytnII any other solutions?
In an Ideal world a little program like GPSToday is perfect, logs on every hour or so, grabs the GPS location of the phone and logs out. Compliments other GPS programs with NMEA data in a similar fashion as QuickGPS. But essentially needs to actually work.
Anyone know of anything else I can try?
Hi Sideburnt,
GPSToday should work perfectly on the Kaiser/tytnII. That is the "reference" device on which GPSToday was most tested. In fact GPSToday is also used as a "GPS primer" by many folks because it significantly speeds up GPS locking for other programs.
When started up for the very first time, it does a bunch of initial setup things like processing your address book contacts etc which can take up time.
After the first few locks, you will notice that it locks must faster, and any other GPS programs will also get a signal quickly.
Also, there are only two features that are US only: the street address display, and the weather display. Everything else like the geotagger, the geologger, the mapping of contacts on the map, the wake-up device for fix feature, the co-ordinate display, the maps, that is all available.
Also, you must make sure that your WM GPS port settings in StartMenu->Settings->ExternalGPS are correct.
We urge you to give it one more try.
Thanks.
Sideburnt said:
HI There
Trying to find a program that displays GPS signal and connection on the Today screen, I've done a bit of searching like, and came back with [<b>GPSToday0.9.9.1</b>] but it seems to act erratically, when you switch it on it doesn't do anything, I used GPSTest to ensure I was recieving GPS, and I got 3D lock in under a minute, however GPS on GPSToday still claimed no lock, it eventually showed a couple of satellites in use but only a few minutes after actual lock, plus the mapping bit is only US enabled, which although a bonus is still a bummer. (im in the UK)
Then I found [<b>GPS Sentry</b>] which cost me a little to purchase, is supposed to be a good solution but again it doesn't seem to work with Kaiser/TytnII any other solutions?
In an Ideal world a little program like GPSToday is perfect, logs on every hour or so, grabs the GPS location of the phone and logs out. Compliments other GPS programs with NMEA data in a similar fashion as QuickGPS. But essentially needs to actually work.
Anyone know of anything else I can try?
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You might also try baf GPSToggle very small footprint and works perfect on my tilt
Now please no groaning when you see this topic. I know the GPS has been hammered to death on these forums; this post is my vein attempt to see if one particular area of interest of mine has at all moved forward.
(let's also side-step the whole "does your GPS lag?" issue here too!)
(..and, for clarify, I'm referring to AGPS as in the use of the mobile phone network to 'assist' positioning by use of triangulation in areas of poor/no GPS reception, and NOT the use of QuickGPS to download current sat. info in an attempt to get a quicker initial fix)
I used to use TomTom Navigator v7.450; it worked (of a fashion! ) although one specific thing that never worked was that whenever AGPS was enabled (using AdvancedConfig or similar) TomTom would get a signal and then immediately drop it again.. on/off on/off etc.. the fix being to disable AGPS.
I must admit I'm suspicious about HTC having their stock ROMs with AGPS disabled by default - especially as this was initially a 'selling point' of the device and part of the sales blurb ("not only does it have GPS but really good GPS using AGPS".. oh the irony!) - have they themselves ever got it to work?!?!
Now TomTom Navigator v7.910 is out (have just installed it myself, currently waiting for an updated map to download). I have seen it muted that this now works with AGPS on the Diamond or maybe the Pro (ie. someone reports the above bug, yet claims it now works having moved to v7.910). Can anyone else confirm this? More importantly, can anyone confirm AGPS has given the Diamond any GPS-related benefit what-so-ever?? (ie. great if it doesn't stop TomTom working anymore, but does it actually improve it like it should?).
I'll of course try it out myself later today or over the weekend and report back.
Hope this makes sense.. cheers.
just tried TomTom 7.910 (9185) with AGPS enabled, and cant say i noticed much difference.
seems the same now with it enable or dissabled. Cant be sure tho, havent done a long journey yet.
Will update later/tomorrow.
mugglesquop said:
just tried TomTom 7.910 (9185) with AGPS enabled, and cant say i noticed much difference.
seems the same now with it enable or disabled. Cant be sure tho, haven't done a long journey yet.
Will update later/tomorrow.
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Thanks for taking the time etc.
Interesting, because..
I've just taken a wonder outside and found I'm still getting the signal constantly being lost bug (looking at the screen that shows the sat. bars I have a good signal for a few seconds, then this goes and 'No GPS device' is displayed, then good signal back again and so on).
On this Diamond I'm using ROM 1.93.401.2 the the supplied radio (1.0.25.05), as I suspected this 'improvement' (potentially) noticed by you/others is more likely a result of a ROM/radio update and not a TomTom software update (guessing this AGPS bug isn't the first thing you try after flashing is it?).
Hmm..
nb. I'm using the exact same version/build of TomTom as you
hmmm... yeh, i'm going on a 60+ mile journey later, so will have a play.
Using Dutty's 3.4 ROM and Radio is BS14...
I thought that the whole point of AGPS is so you could help you get a GPS fix when indoors. Which I always thought was an unusual selling point when the entire purpose of GPS software is to help you find your way in the outdoors. Perhaps it could be more useful for those new tagging services that are popping up.
Anyhow I've been running a fairly recent version of iGo8 using Dutty's Rom 3.3 and 3.4 (both with that new radio).
With AGPS turned off, GPS signal is quickly attained and holds strong outdoors. Nothing indoors, naturally.
With AGPS turned on (via Duttys "AGPS Settings" utility), GPS signal is as quickly attained and flickers fully on then fully off, repeating constantly. When indoors, nothing at all.
So, with iGo8, AGPS seems to be a non-runner.
By the way, I once read that AGPS has to be configured to your particular mobile provider. Perhaps that's the issue?
Same here, with a-gps enabled signal drops constantly
after my journey yesterday, had the same problems as above.
tried with TomTom 7 and iGo8
I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.
ben cole said:
I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.
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Hmm, I think this is thanks to googles effort, not AGPS... Google uses Google Gears API which can position you by using basestations and SSIDs.
AGPS is correcting/updating the GPS data with actual almanac data sent from you mobile provider...
Pitchb3nd said:
Same here, with a-gps enabled signal drops constantly
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Same for me, anyone being able to use TomTom and AGPS without losing signal periodically?
ben cole said:
I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.
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Yeah Google Maps does this on its own without having AGPS enabled on the Diamond. I believe AGPS is supposed to be more accurate than 1000m - 1500m though.
Oh and I believe the way that Google Maps gets its position depends on your mobile provider. I used to get the message "your location is not available" constantly on my network but one day (simultaneously as the iPhone was released in my country), the location was available. So I believe that the network flicked a switch for this technology to work.
AGps and TomTom
Hi,
agps have need to run to:
1) Carrier to inform MobilePhone here is (Is a Base Station Issue)
2) Public information about position
On mobilephone if is enable i think is need to have different information, and tomtom have old pattern to process agps information.
With googlemaps have new process and can use.
With my diamond agps run (googlemaps)
Cityhunter71
Please, don't mix the Google technology and A-GPS. They have nothing in common.
Google maintains their own privately held database of GSM-cellids which GMM can query to determine your position based on the current cellid.
A-GPS is a technology where the GSM-basestation itself receives GPS-satellitedata and relays it to the device. With this additional data, the GPS-receiver in the device is supposed to achieve a faster fix.
Have fun!
a-gps works with 7.450
i remember once that it was taking forever for the satelites to be found yet is was updating my postion on the map constantly via a-gps (which im sure was enabled by default in stock rom as ive never changed it)
a-gps is useful inside because you usually have your phone with you and to find a route, you need gps
Apologies for my erroneous post.
I realised my error today when I installed Google Maps on an ageing Blackberry I had unlocked to play with.
Started it up and lo and behold there was my location....thought I'd better head back here to suffer my shame ...LOL
Thanks for the input guys.
So - in summary:
Even with later ROMS / radios / software applications, there is still yet to be seen any benefit from the Diamond (theoretically) having an A-GPS capability.
RUBBISH!!
I personally subscribe to the theory that there is a missing link between the A-GPS driver type software and an info feed from the likes of the network operator, ie. it's all very well it picking up info on the network but without a back-end database to translate this it's useless.
As far as purpose goes.. I personally think A-GPS sounds on paper to be a great idea. Not a replacement for GPS, nor to be used exclusively indoors, but a good aid/starting point. For example, if I'm sitting in an unfamiliar office in London and wanted to use TomTom to navigate me a route to where I want to get to, A-GPS could provide TomTom with a rough starting point. Similarly, I often find myself launch a nav program (when I'm lost!) and standing there for up to 5 mins waiting for a fix.. at least this would give me an approximation from which I could probably work out myself where I was from looking around me. In my mind when you first fire up TomTom on the Diamond A-GPS should simply put you in the right postcode and start doing its stuff while the GPS seeks out its signal, and not still show me as being either at Home or its last known destination. But in any event - it seems not to work!! Bugger!!
I thought that aGPS was also to help hold a GPS signal when in tunnels, canyons, heavy forest cover (ie.Redwoods in this area, many tower to well over 300 feet!) or any situation where the signal from the satellites may be impaired, or even blocked completely.
Im running Duttys 3.5 and with AGPS on I will get a signal for 10 seconds, then it goes for a second, then back for 10. then gone. Turned AGPS off and all is well.
I can confirm that AGPS does work, some parts here in Finland it works and someplaces it does that on off thingy. once when I was just playing with my tomtom it got signal where it would never get it without it. but mostly here it doesnt work properly so i disable it.
But in Helsinki (larger city) it works properly and helps getting signal fast beneath tall buildings.
But yeah it doesnt work in my hometown so its kinda rubbish here.
Maybe it has something to do with how new are nearby cell towers or something. dunno
In Trondheim, Norway it worked with Telenor and gave me a signal indoors, but when I use it together with TomTom the signal gets lost periodicly, really really annoying since "everything" is already there. Probably just something with the co-operation with the regular GPS or something?
I think i got it to run.
I use tt7.910 on diamond with htc 1.93 dutch rom
My mobile provider is mobistar.
I can get a lock inside, tough it's slow(ie not as fast as outside).
When I fire up tt7 the almanac data is showing in the satelite screen.
reg settings are:
Code:
GPRSConnection: Orange World
GpsMode: 4
Network: Orange World
ServerIP: 194.51.71.138
ServerPort: 7275
ServerUrl: agps.orange.fr