I have about 5 email accts that my Tilt is checking every 30 minutes via internet. This drains alot of battery. I heard that there is a way to have the emails pushed to your Tilt, like the blackberry.
Is this a better option and where do you get it?
What are you guys running for your emails?
try mail2web.com (which will make your accounts Exchange type accounts) or Emoze.com (but I think this solution may require a computer to be on at all times to push... mail2web is probably more efficient.
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I have about 5 email accts that my Tilt is checking every 30 minutes via internet. This drains alot of battery. I heard that there is a way to have the emails pushed to your Tilt, like the blackberry.
Is this a better option and where do you get it?
What are you guys running for your emails?
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So instead of pull, you think push is more efficient? With pull the Tilt can be offline for 29 minutes at a time. Pull it's always online and chatting with the server.
I think you'll find that push email uses more battery.
I personally have all of my emails come into the same mail destination and are sorted into folders depending upon where they were destined to go. That way I'm only checking or looking at one mailbox. And I use Flexmail 4 with idle IMAP to get the emails instantly, but with reasonable battery life. I don't get a lot of emails, perhaps 50 a day, so most of my time is basically idling on the server, and it's around 5% battery an hour, vs .5% or so without Flexmail running, on 3G. It drops to around 2%/hr on EDGE.
So if you're on 3G, you might try EDGE. Of course if you do other things with the phone, EDGE is probably too slow.
What kind of battery life are you seeing? What percent of battery is it using an hour?
so r u saying that push emails like the blackberry and Seven is constantly connected to the net?
so y do people say that push is better?
if that is the case, I think my battery will be way worse than.
as for current bat life, ill have to check it out and report later.
From what I know there are 2 versions of push email:
1 - connect and wait for new mail (this isn't as powerhungry as you think, your connection is open but there generally will only be traffic as soon as new email is arrived or the connection is broken/re-initiated)
2 - SMS notification, your pda only makes a connection as soon as an SMS is received which states you received new email. This needs something more than just a software solution e.g. contract with an SMS provider)
I have noticed that only standard umts (no HSDPA) connection is a big power consumer. If you have HSDPA in your area, the kaiser seems to need much less energy to keep the connection open.
Im trying the SEVEN program rite now. To see how this works.
Anyone want to share their experience with the SEVEN? It seems to be a always connect type, so Im not sure how the battery life will be.
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Im trying the SEVEN program rite now. To see how this works.
Anyone want to share their experience with the SEVEN? It seems to be a always connect type, so Im not sure how the battery life will be.
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SEVEN is eating more memory in my S730 than Funambol, so I prefer Funambol more than SEVEN. SEVEN tends to connect immediately when you turn on your phone, so it would probably consumes more battery while you can choose different PUSH modes with Funambol.
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Hi everyone
Have been using the Diamond for a few days now and have noticed a few quirks here and there. Mostly are software issues that I think will be ironed out in later releases of the ROM but for now there are a few issues that I was wondering if anyone else was having.
I have my own Exchange server running and have Direct Push/3G on constantly. The only issue is that sometimes i get the mail come through via Direct Push while sometimes it doesnt. In those situations I have to push "sync" in active sync for it to grab the new mails.
My settings are on "as item arrives" for both peak and offpeak and the status in active sync is shown as connected. This worked perfectly on my Trinity and Direct Push has never missed a beat once.
Anyone else experiencing similar issues?
The only time I ever experienced this is when O2 had a data outage in the UK yesterday. Other than that it has worked flawlessly.
Have my own exchange aswell, and haven't any problems so far !
Have you tried checking the peak times in the options for activesync?
not Diamond-related at all (since I don't have one yet) - but are you perhaps roaming networks sometimes?
had a customer with this issue and there is an extra option 'sync when roaming' (at least in WM5) - syncing manually worked in other networks without option enabled
HKC\Software\HTC\Manila:
PushMailOn : default value is "0" ( OFF)
PLease chech this value in your registry. I wonder if this settings might affect push mail avaiability for you.
I would set to "1" and soft reset to confirm.
I have the problem also! I had no problems with a TyTN II being used on the same Exchange server, but the diamond has a mind of it's own.
The peak time is on the default 8am to 8pm and reverse for off peak. But I dont think this affects it since I have it on "as item arrives" for both.
I dont have "use above settings when roaming" ticked since I'm in a very well covered 3G zone. The "H" icon is constantly on where I am.
I havent tried the reg edit yet SecureGSM, thanx for the tip. I will try to isolate the problem and do that for a last resort.
Is your problem consistent or inconsistent vas79?
I have noticed something but not sure if my paranoia or what but I have a feeling the time size affects it. If you have it large at the default size the mail comes in fine. But when you minimise the time to see more calendar items, the mail does not direct push. I'm still testing this so i'll post result after a few days of use in both.
Well it consistently doesn't work!
I very rarely hear the email alert when the phone is in standby. When I turn the phone on a unlock no email then within 10 seconds email will come in and get the little icon by the Mail saying how many new emails.
Alternatively I'd go to Activesync and it would say last sync'd at XXX rather than connected. I then select Sync which it does then it stays connected until next time.
If I go to the comm manger it says Direct Push is on and Data Connection on.
I can live with it, because i assume it's a bug and it will get fixed!..
My major gripe is it doesn't ring straight away, takes 3/4 rings to get going and ring. I have missed so many calls because of this!
i have been using Diamond with Exchange Server 2007 pushmail via GPRS since 1st June. There is no problem so far.
I am using BlackBerry at the same time. Basically pushmail arrives later than blackberry for 1.5 secs, I am sure all mails can be arrived to my Diamond in these 2 weeks.
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Well it consistently doesn't work!
I very rarely hear the email alert when the phone is in standby. When I turn the phone on a unlock no email then within 10 seconds email will come in and get the little icon by the Mail saying how many new emails.
Alternatively I'd go to Activesync and it would say last sync'd at XXX rather than connected. I then select Sync which it does then it stays connected until next time.
If I go to the comm manger it says Direct Push is on and Data Connection on.
I can live with it, because i assume it's a bug and it will get fixed!..
My major gripe is it doesn't ring straight away, takes 3/4 rings to get going and ring. I have missed so many calls because of this!
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hmmm ok, seems like you have a different problem to me. Mine actually says "connected" but mail just doesnt get pushed out or rather Diamond doesnt get the message. Have you made sure that you have "as item arrives" in the schedule (in activesync) for both peak and off peak?
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hmmm ok, seems like you have a different problem to me. Mine actually says "connected" but mail just doesnt get pushed out or rather Diamond doesnt get the message. Have you made sure that you have "as item arrives" in the schedule (in activesync) for both peak and off peak?
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Yep, everything says "as item arrives" also tried ticking even when roaming, when i'm not!!
Actually today it has said connected everytime I've checked!
Only thing I changed yesterday was one of the registry tweaks to improve touchflo 3d performance.
When the UK rom drops and we can load it I will see then!
UK Rom here and seeing exactly the same issues!
Mine has been working fine too...
Hi!
I have tried to wrap my head around this but have not succeded yet. I think I have the system actually set up and working. I have push mail on in the comm manager and I have set up our exchange server in activesync. Mail seems to arrive in the phone from time to time so I guess it works. My question is more about how it works.
I am using the spb GPRS monitor so I see there is traffic beeing logged. In the sync settings it is set to "when items arrive" (I have swedish language but I think the english says something similar). Does the phone go out and log into the mailserver and checks for mail? This hardly seems like "push" email.
If thats not how it works, how does the mailserver send the email to my phone - more true to the meaning of "push".
If someone savvy in the subject took some time to explain I would be very happy
essentially you keep a connection open constantly to your email server and as soon as the server gets new messages the client (your mobile phone in this case) is notified and downloads the email. its quite battery intensive since the phone has to keep a data connection with the server at all times.
for a complete explanation read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_email
Ok I see, I am like a normal Outlook client logged in at all times. Its clearer now.
In regards to the battery drain, what does drain more, 3G or Edge connection?
Great tip thanks
Another quick question - since it uses EDGE when getting email, what happens when I enter and log into a WiFi network. Does it abandon EDGE in favour for the, mostly, free WiFi internet thus saving me money?
I just downloaded SEVEN beta to try push emails to save battery since I have 6 accts to check. but I notice that its constantly connected to the net and that it takes about 5 minutes to receive emails. so if it takes 5 mins to receive and constantly connect to the net, I it really saving battery?
or did I do something wrong? with my regular email setup, I have it checking evey 30 minutes but kaisertweak will shut off the connection after 2 mins of no use.
should I go back?
I got my gmail mail+calander synced with my phone. Every 1 hour, on 3G.
With use of my mobile from 07:00 till like 20:00 my battery is around 70%. So i't ain't that bad just using Active Sync to sync with mailserver.
I am also find it's ok using Seven. Not much battery drainage.
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I just downloaded SEVEN beta to try push emails to save battery since I have 6 accts to check. but I notice that its constantly connected to the net and that it takes about 5 minutes to receive emails. so if it takes 5 mins to receive and constantly connect to the net, I it really saving battery?
or did I do something wrong? with my regular email setup, I have it checking evey 30 minutes but kaisertweak will shut off the connection after 2 mins of no use.
should I go back?
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What do you use for mail? I tried SEVEN briefly, but it didn't disconnect so I stopped using it.
What's the best app for checking emails every 4 or so hours that automatically disconnects right after it receives it?
Not quite answering your question, but I use this application http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501254 - I only need to check my new emails when I'm available to check my phone! So it works for me. Auto discon of data connection isn't built into the app (yet) but you can configure via either advance config or Kaisertweak - I forget which one to do so on sleep.
Uses the least battery possible then.....
Edit - I map the exe to long press of hardware button using AEButtons
I have been using Seven for a few weeks now and I am extremely happy with it. My emails are almost instant and I have 5 email accounts setup.
The battery life so far has been excellent, I am using a Touch Pro 2 and I can go the whole day with direct push with absolutely no problem. It integrates with the HTC interface wonderfully, I am honestly very impressed with this software and it exceeded my expectations for easy of use, functionality, and battey life.
Yes, I love Seven. I am using it for 1 year and it works so well. Just one problem you should aware of is that everytime you setup a new email account, it sends 1 sms to England. You can avoid that with some tricks. I posted this earlier here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5366428&postcount=140
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5486646&postcount=142
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Yes, I love Seven. I am using it for 1 year and it works so well. Just one problem you should aware of is that everytime you setup a new email account, it sends 1 sms to England. You can avoid that with some tricks. I posted this earlier here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5366428&postcount=140
and here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5486646&postcount=142
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Sweeet 2 cool tricks, Google Sync been a pain in the a** and haven't used SEVEN in about 2 years as only just got a decent data plan again, all working welll.
So i was just introduced to this program the other day. It works great, i get my e-mails on my phone just a few seconds later. It doesn't seem to lower my battery life much at all, and it was very easy to setup.
http://community.seven.com/main.php
register and download the beta. I've been using this for about 3 days and i've gotten about 50 e-mails through this service and i always check the times and it's never more than a minute later.
I would like to get a consensus about how well this works for others. I'm using Gmail and it forwards very fast.
UPDATE: Just wanted to add, do not install this if you have XpressMail installed on your device as they use some of the same files they both will become unusable.
before i try
how does it work?
is it constantly connected to data? or does it send as a text or what?
i knew i forgot something, i've got my Touch pro on a constant Edge connection with constant data enabled. I'm not 100% positive the data connection is needed but i think you do. Other Idle Imap apps, i've tried needed constant connection.
I've been using this for a while now and it does require a constant connection, but it is a lot less power hungry than other push solutions or even the native POP / IMAP connections. Seven basically creates e-mail accounts within the native messaging application, so there's no need to have an additional application. It allows you to setup multiple e-mail accounts to be pushed, including Google Apps.
And for those of us that change roms regularly, Seven saves your account information (sans passwords) so that you don't have to start from scratch everytime you flash a new rom.
One thing to note is that Seven is essentially in permanent beta, so there will be times when it goes down for upgrades, maintenance or bugs. But that doesn't happen very often and they are usually pretty good about communicating what is going on and when to expect a solution.
Been using this for a year and it's the best! Woohoo! I love this!
I tried emoze, pushconsilient, and web2mail. I like "SEVEN" out of all of them. I get my email on my phone before my outlook does on my pc.
Thanks!!
It's really COOL and i can now check the gmail and even the company mail (OWA)!
Very nice!!
does it do "better"then Emoze?
I use Emoze now for a year and i have no problem.
Does it use less more power?
i've just tested, but i like Emoze more then Seven.
Emoze connects een fast as seven, but now i get also mine appointpents ect. synced.
So i keep it with emoze.
Seven is the dev company that supplies AT&T with Good Mobile Messaging and such. They sell the product (serverside) to the Cell carriers, who inturn rebrand it and "sell/offer" the service to the carrier's susbcribers.
I have been using it for 3 years for multiple accounts... no more desktop redirectors.
It currently uses a data connection, but in the future it will work via SMS triggers
gr8 share thank you
A few days ago, I started using it for both my Gmail and my company mail (via OWA).
At first, it took a few minutes for new mail to show up in either. Now, I'm finding that new messages in my gmail are showing up almost instantly (under a minute at least), but work messages are taking between 5-15 minutes (I can confirm via the desktop that they are indeed in the inbox).
Anyone else see this sort of delay?
is this based on Exchange 2007 aka HTML emails? Doesn't seem to let me into the FAQ's before creating an account...
I use this service and i love it.
i'm glad to see so many people who support and use this App, and those of you who don't use it i recommend it.
I tried it for 2 days, I love it... However, since it used data constantsly, it heats up my device badly... so I uninstalled it.
Thanks for the share thou.
goes this get around the gmail issue where sent messages also appear as new unread emails?
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goes this get around the gmail issue where sent messages also appear as new unread emails?
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Seven does not have this problem. Additionally, the sent messages get saved in your sent folder on gmail.
pandaboyy said:
I tried it for 2 days, I love it... However, since it used data constantsly, it heats up my device badly... so I uninstalled it.
Thanks for the share thou.
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Do you keep HSDPA going? I keep it on an EDGE connection and i don't get much heat at all.
It's a shakey time for anyone who sees this thread to try it out, though. They did some sort of heavy maintenance Monday, and although their status updates say everything's back, I'm not sure it is. I'm seeing big delays in getting my gmail via imap through them. I suspect it will be worked out soon, though.
i love gmail but im wondering why its not full push e-mail?
all will say yes its push mail but you need leave all day "sync" on to get notifications if you turn off the sync you will not have instant e mail.
leaving all day "sync" will drain a little more the battery, so if you get a mail when you have "sync" off you will nit have any notification UNTIL you turn on, there is program like shutupbattery that will sync every X time but whats the point of push mail?
get instant right? i guess using k9 will work better (not sure) but why not in stock gmail app?
That's what push is. It is a constant low bandwidth connection kept open waiting for Google to send notifications.
The gmail servers cannot just send a message to your phones IP or anything like that, because trying to get that to work with all the various operators and different networking setups in the world would be impossible.
That's how push works on a windows mobile phone, and maybe even a blackberry (but I cannot be sure of that since they run special software on the telco's side)
Clarkster said:
That's what push is. It is a constant low bandwidth connection kept open waiting for Google to send notifications.
The gmail servers cannot just send a message to your phones IP or anything like that, because trying to get that to work with all the various operators and different networking setups in the world would be impossible.
That's how push works on a windows mobile phone, and maybe even a blackberry (but I cannot be sure of that since they run special software on the telco's side)
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i didint test it or dont remember if chrome to phone works without sync but if all works in that way why google bother to toggle "sync" yea i know its a low bandwith connection instead always check as poll but you need leave all day sync on to all work well and that will drain a little battery too
Well, you should test, that IS how Chrome to Phone works. It uses the push notification system Google developed. Which uses the push data connection.
The point is, apps written for 2.2 and up should use this system when possible. Instead of having your widgets, twitter apps, chat apps, mail apps all doing their own push or periodic checking, they can all use the one Google connection. Saving battery over 4 apps doing their own checking.
And of course it uses the battery. If you want push on ANY device it will use the battery a lot more. If you want your battery to last longer, don't use any push features.
zen kun said:
i didint test it or dont remember if chrome to phone works without sync but if all works in that way why google bother to toggle "sync" yea i know its a low bandwith connection instead always check as poll but you need leave all day sync on to all work well and that will drain a little battery too
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Dude, you ever tried to get your ISP to turn on your internet connection on your home laptop when you get a mail?
Well, since you (hopefully) understood what kind of gibberish it is, maybe you'll understand why the data connection is always on in the phone? Because it's your internet, and without it you WON'T HAVE ANY DATA AT ALL.
If you choose to disable this connection for battery savings - it's your personal problem that you won't get any service that comes from the internet, including mails. That's how it works, and Google has nothing to do with it.
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Dude, you ever tried to get your ISP to turn on your internet connection on your home laptop when you get a mail?
Well, since you (hopefully) understood what kind of gibberish it is, maybe you'll understand why the data connection is always on in the phone? Because it's your internet, and without it you WON'T HAVE ANY DATA AT ALL.
If you choose to disable this connection for battery savings - it's your personal problem that you won't get any service that comes from the internet, including mails. That's how it works, and Google has nothing to do with it.
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FYI, they aren't talking about turning off data, rather have gmail push without having to keep sync on. With sync on, the apps regularly poke at the servers to get info about new emails, etc. In contrast, Blackberry push email works is a different way... the server pushes notifications to the app. Chrome to Phone works in this way and I guess it would be quite viable to have other Google apps do the same...
That is[/is] how Google apps do it. My phone tends to notify me of email before Thunderbird picks it up, and they're both push.
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FYI, they aren't talking about turning off data, rather have gmail push without having to keep sync on. With sync on, the apps regularly poke at the servers to get info about new emails, etc. In contrast, Blackberry push email works is a different way... the server pushes notifications to the app. Chrome to Phone works in this way and I guess it would be quite viable to have other Google apps do the same...
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Spoken by someone who never tried to confirm what he writes, and the same goes for the OP. The easiest way to understand that you're wrong is - position your phone in place with 3G / WiFi reception, and send yourself a mail on the PC. How much time it takes until you receive it on the phone? My measurements were from 5 sec to 1.5 min, and mostly stayed within half a minute from sending time. So, if your theory was correct, it would mean that the Gmail "pokes at the servers" more than once a minute.. Which is obviously wrong, and if you monitor traffic (in the easiest way possible - just look at your "H" symbol, if you have a custom ROM), you'll see that it doesn't happen.
"Sync" is a general term. Sync can be done in multiple ways. One of them is push sync. It just so happens that Gmail is push sync. And the "Sync" switch is just to enable/disable the sync for Google apps, it doesn't say anything about it being push/pull/whatever.