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I read on this other forum http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-p4450-kaiser/89014-htc-p4450-release-rumor-thread-4.html in this thread they say that it will be released in like November. They say that the person mention this did not say who his source was it still worried me cuz that is the month the 8525 was released. Additionally they mention the 8925 will not have the front facing camera nor will it have built in GPS!!!
I personally will probably boycott AT&T if this is true or at least petition this BS. I mean seriously I love my 8525 but I am getting sick and tired of at&t stripping features out of the damn devices. I am wondering if any of these claims have any value or are they just more incoherent gibberish from the internet.
Any thoughts?
I would entirely believe they could strip out those features. The front facing camera is useless in the usa as we have no infrastructure to use it. The GPS now, that's the sticky subject. Yes, they could release it and have one of the first devices ever in the usa to support built in standalone gps... But they have a service they sell at $10 or $15 a month to do the same thing. Releasing this phone would take away "revenue" as far as their bean counters will be concerned. It doesn't matter how many of those people would or would not pay for it, it's just a matter of potential revenue to them.
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!
No GPS?
I don't care if they leave out the front camera. But if AT&T is dumb enough to disable the GPS, I'm buying an unlocked Kaiser, period. I hate it when companies cripple perfectly good technology. It's not even like they would be getting revenue from GPS if they crippled it - they'd just be preventing us from using free GPS.....
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I would entirely believe they could strip out those features. The front facing camera is useless in the usa as we have no infrastructure to use it. The GPS now, that's the sticky subject. Yes, they could release it and have one of the first devices ever in the usa to support built in standalone gps... But they have a service they sell at $10 or $15 a month to do the same thing. Releasing this phone would take away "revenue" as far as their bean counters will be concerned. It doesn't matter how many of those people would or would not pay for it, it's just a matter of potential revenue to them.
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!
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In regard to the lack of support for the front facing camera I thought they were planning on do the whole video share thing? I even found the option for video share on the wm6 beta I put on my girlfriends blackjack. In regard to the bean counters and potential loss of revenue? As far as I know the gps module does not determine who one will use for navigation. I currently have a gps chip through at&t however the same one is available elsewhere. Furthermore, telenav is offered to other carriers as well. The only way I can see this taking money away from them is it came with not only the chip but the software (maps) as well. If it does not come with maps I will still most likely stay with telenav through at&t.
What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be![/QUOTE]
Yeah, heres the other thing. I am aware I can get the kaiser and use my at&t sim but I doubt I could find the kaiser for $100 or so. I have a contact I send almost 30 customers a year to so I get the supreme hook up. My beef is with AT&T, I think they need to quit being so f_cking retarded and give their loyal customers the device they demand. Unaltered!!!
I am actually surprised they didnt take away the touch screen LOL, bunch of frickin idiots, hey we should all chip in and buy them a new brain. According to my calculations it should take about a dollar to upgrade from their existing
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AT&T has in the works a video call service.
The iPAQ has offered GPS for a long time.
There is no reason to remove GPS from the 8925 and I seriously doubt this would happen. I COULD see them removing the front camera though.
I think Ive decided to just buy an unlocked HTC instead of getting the Cingular 8925 because this phone will more than likely be nerfed.
evolution_theory said:
AT&T has in the works a video call service.
The iPAQ has offered GPS for a long time.
There is no reason to remove GPS from the 8925 and I seriously doubt this would happen. I COULD see them removing the front camera though.
I think Ive decided to just buy an unlocked HTC instead of getting the Cingular 8925 because this phone will more than likely be nerfed.
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Note what AT&T is doing to the blackberrry 8800 series ... they have neutered the GPS so that it only works if you sign up for the $10/mo TeleNav services. I can confirm this is not a rumor, having seen some recent 8800 series 8800 series devices in the last week. There should be some way to hack around this if they do the same on the 8925, but I would predict a similar approach ... leave the radio in place, but disable without the consumer spending more $$.
ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....
Hahahahaha
hahahaha...haha...ha....ahem.
Sorry, just looked at the Telenav site to understand what this service is. You get 'unlimited routes' for $10 a month or 10 routes for just $5.99 a month!
Charging per route for a GPS device. Amazing. Why don't they just charge us for each appointment we store in our Pocket PC calendar too?
"Hmmm, I really want to find my way to that new restaurant - but I wonder how many routes I've used this month?"
Ridiculous.
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ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....
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Thanks for the info ... you always seem spot on with your sources... and that configuration would make some marketing sense
Any chance your source has any greater clarity on release dates? I figure I might as well plan on November, since that would be par for the course, but if you have anything more solid, let us know.
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ok.. let me throw in my 2 cents real quick.....
First off, GPS..
I have been told from a reliable source that it will be crippled through the ATT rom to be used with telenav only... like the 8800 crap.. but im sure that we here can figure something out on making it work otherwise, so im not worried about that...
Phone versions....
I have also heard from the same reliable source that there will be 3 different versions:
8900 - No camera's
8915 - Back 3MP no front camera
8925 - back 3MP camera, and front camera for VideoShare service...
Hope this clears the air for some people... my source is reliable, but things could change....
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I can definately deal with this as I use telenav already and have found it to be reliable enough. I am wondering if your "reliable source has an idea on release date? Just curious. Thanks for your input.
weinson said:
Thanks for the info ... you always seem spot on with your sources... and that configuration would make some marketing sense
Any chance your source has any greater clarity on release dates? I figure I might as well plan on November, since that would be par for the course, but if you have anything more solid, let us know.
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release date is one thing i cant get my hands on... it seems that they always like to change their minds... look at what happened with the 8525... i myself am planning on november, i will probably crack and buy a real kaiser before then..
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I read on this other forum http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-p4450-kaiser/89014-htc-p4450-release-rumor-thread-4.html in this thread they say that it will be released in like November. They say that the person mention this did not say who his source was it still worried me cuz that is the month the 8525 was released. Additionally they mention the 8925 will not have the front facing camera nor will it have built in GPS!!!
I personally will probably boycott AT&T if this is true or at least petition this BS. I mean seriously I love my 8525 but I am getting sick and tired of at&t stripping features out of the damn devices. I am wondering if any of these claims have any value or are they just more incoherent gibberish from the internet.
Any thoughts?
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This all sounds like pure speculation.
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What will happen? That's still up in the air, but rest easy knowing it's still easy enough to get a import if need be!
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Yeah, heres the other thing. I am aware I can get the kaiser and use my at&t sim but I doubt I could find the kaiser for $100 or so. I have a contact I send almost 30 customers a year to so I get the supreme hook up. My beef is with AT&T, I think they need to quit being so f_cking retarded and give their loyal customers the device they demand. Unaltered!!!
I am actually surprised they didnt take away the touch screen LOL, bunch of frickin idiots, hey we should all chip in and buy them a new brain. According to my calculations it should take about a dollar to upgrade from their existing
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It could be worse - you could be a Verizon customer like I used to be.
AT&T has NOTHING on Verizon when it comes to phone crippling.
Disabling GPS would suck, it makes no sense other than greed.
Removing front camera may be a different story, as I recall hearing that the non-front-camera variant may have a slightly thinner form factor. Given that the phone is going to be targeted towards the business market where any camera can often be problematic, I can easily see AT&T choosing form factor over function in the case of a front-camera-or-not tradeoff if such a tradeoff situation exists.
I just wanted to know that should i wait for 8925 or get a TyTN II now?
do you think that the current bugs that people mention that TyTN II has, will be fixed for 8925 or not!?
lungothrin said:
I just wanted to know that should i wait for 8925 or get a TyTN II now?
do you think that the current bugs that people mention that TyTN II has, will be fixed for 8925 or not!?
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My view - If you wait for an 8925 it will not change any of the "bugs" (IMHO small ones - but it depends what is important to you). Also if you get a branded version it may suffer the usual "bloat" that comes with that.
A better reason to wait might be price, but then that could take quite a while to drop substantially.
Mike
lungothrin said:
I just wanted to know that should i wait for 8925 or get a TyTN II now?
do you think that the current bugs that people mention that TyTN II has, will be fixed for 8925 or not!?
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We will have to look into our crystal ball to know for sure.
Crystal Ball?? We're talking AT&T here. It's a magic 8 Ball. You don't think there's any logic behind those answers they give do you?!
-Mc
I'm still doing my research on this too, so this probably already has an answer. But when updates come out (if there's not already one, or a dump/cook?), 8925 users could go unbranded pretty easily. I'm just wondering if the 8925 will use the same general scheme for simlocks as 8525, and if so, if the 8525 unlocker could work, or be easily adapted. I'm intending on using the 8925 with tmousa, even though in my area it's only got gprs . Figure for $550, I could cancel my att and save a lot just keeping tmousa, and hopefully it'll have edge buildout or something by next year. On a side note, I wonder why they got rid of irda. I was hoping to be able to use my phone as a remote control (if they even can.. i remember my old nokia s60)
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I'm still doing my research on this too, so this probably already has an answer. But when updates come out (if there's not already one, or a dump/cook?), 8925 users could go unbranded pretty easily. I'm just wondering if the 8925 will use the same general scheme for simlocks as 8525, and if so, if the 8525 unlocker could work, or be easily adapted. I'm intending on using the 8925 with tmousa, even though in my area it's only got gprs . Figure for $550, I could cancel my att and save a lot just keeping tmousa, and hopefully it'll have edge buildout or something by next year. On a side note, I wonder why they got rid of irda. I was hoping to be able to use my phone as a remote control (if they even can.. i remember my old nokia s60)
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T-Mobile is coming out with the Kaiser also but when we have no idea.. Also T-mobile is going to be using the 1700Mhz for there 3G so pretty soon we will all have the Kaiser with every carrior!
Cool. The thing is that I'm kind of stuck at the moment and not sure what to do. I've been selling phones during the summer months and going to school during the rest. For the first summer, I sold a lot of phones and was in good terms with the tmo indirect guy. He told me he'd let me keep my dealer line even though I went on hiatus until the next summer. However, when next summer rolled around, I heard that the guy got promoted somewhere else in tmo. I never met the new guy who was supposed to visit our kiosk. Same went for the third summer. Now, I'm back at school again. Still on the smartaccess since I was only 18 with no history when I first got the dealer line.
I'm not sure exactly what my internet includes, since it seems to be on and off what I'm allowed to do. But in any case, out here in ithaca, ny, they seem to have pulled away from the market. I was originally debating a parttime here during the year, but they're gone now. Currently, on my 6682 that I'm using with tmo, I'm only seeing gprs.
I'm a little afraid of calling into tmo since it's a dealer line, and the site I worked at has changed dealer codes since my line was activated, so I'm afraid it'll run into trouble. Anyone have any insight?
Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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Should I return the TILT???
I was depending on this being an mp3 player/video player/phone/fun/office device. ALL IN ONE being key!!
This device has dissapointed me on the multimedia end for obvious reasons as I can't even drag and drop SD DIVX Shows!!
Is there a device that can do all this that I should get instead since I'm in my 30 days???? What would you do?
Thanks for any advice....
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I am also in the same boat. I was expecting more from it when it came to playing movies and just overall performance. Don't know if I should return it to newegg and void the att contract. Or if it would be better to keep the contract, sell the phone on ebay, and use that money to buy a different phone.
return them
I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
Take It Back
return it...
RETURN IT
why? well the more HTC get returned etc the quicker they will pull their finger out and correct things and not allow such stupid mistakes
Just make damn sure that when you return it; you tell them WHY.
Hmm... The new 8gb Nokia N95 has just come out... Looks rather nice too...
All of you whom own a Tilt / Tytn II, T-mobile or other clone distributed by carriers should return this piece of ****ty hardware when not satisfied with the video performance.
Indeed, AT&T certainly would not have counted on such a return (and loss ) and will raise this towards HTC as loss of business.
Just return the ****ty thing and buy something that does what it's supposed to do.
And, for your own good, never buy anything coming from HTC. They're crooks, hypocrites and arrogant bastards who think that their customers are of a low enough IQ to be mocked in their face and still want to feed HTC money (this is exactly what comes out from their official response to the driver issue).
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I would return them, and buy Iphones.
Iphones have by far the best web browsing available short of having a pc, which is what I was hoping for out of my tilt. Now that i know my web browsing issues are because htc didnt provide drivers, i feel like im missing a huge part of what this phone should have been and it is very disappointing.
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It no iphone for me....no way. It has the same problems in limited capabilities as you have to convert everything and use itunes….no thanks!
Also, anyone have suggestions besides iphone??????
Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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Nokia's new model of the N95 looks sweet. 8gb RAM, black, not HTC... Worth checking out.
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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no 3g, small screen, no keyboard, GPS? ... all features i wanted
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Now to be fair, you didn't way what features you wanted!
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Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
redsrule2500 said:
Everything the tilt has...except it works!! I thought Tilt was my perfect device
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Yup. I bought my tilt last week so I still have two weeks to decide. I would return it today if i could figure out a replacement that does everything the Tilt does but better. I would personally rather have the Tilt than an Iphone even with the problems, and that nokia isn't doing it for me.
If you don't mind losing the internal GPS and the extra ram you could downgrade to the 8525 (Hermes). Nice thing is that there price has dropped considerably since the Tilt came out. For awhile there AT&T was selling them for $99...so you could probably find another site out there somewhere that would give it to you even better than this.
I'll trade someone my 8525 for their Kaiser
ha, I can't believe what im reading here! are u guys really that bitter. I honestly feel that even when (if) htc releases the fix, MOST of us will not notice a big difference in our daily use. I compare it to a bluetooth keyboard I purchased. before I bought it, I was going crazy, thinking I needed one, etc. once I got it, I don't think I've ever used it.
don't get me wrong, I would love the drivers, but other than that I love my phone. great internet, great gps, full keyboard, etc. there is honestly no other phone id rather have.
My Warranty ends tomorrow. I think im just going to keep the damn thing. Sure the video converting sucks. but, I got the Camera to work (thanks to Navadi), and I havnt watched a movie on my mobile in awhile. At least the reception is flawless. I have better reception than most of my friends and family. with the same provider, AT&T.
In my house NO ONE gets reception. and I can have a full conversation inside my house perfectly.
My brother who owns the Iphone. He has to walk outside in order to talk on his phone.
Oh and yeah the full keyboard is much better than the Iphone at Texting.
Oh and dont get me wrong I am disappointed with HTC with the way they are handling this situation. Atleast be helpful, rather than leaving us with a "F**k you, we got your money, you got what you paid for." what they did was false advertise.
The problem is, in the U.S. The phone is still better than majority of all the other phones out there. OBviously not in Europe. but here. Yeah.
I've had both the iPhone (Returned it) and now I have the TILT...i prefer the tilt.
I know the video situation sucks but I think the phone is still good overall
Does anyone break and open the actual case hardware of AT&T Tilit and see the frontside camera existed. I am thinking whether any way to upgrade my Tilt to Kaiser in hardware basis.. Thanks.
Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).
I don't know about the Kaiser, but for the Hermes, there were several people that had the AT&T 8525, purchased the front camera online (as well as the Tytn case) and opened up their devices, plugged the camera in and covered with the new case which has the front camera cut out and it worked.
So, if the 8525 accepted the camera as plug and play, i'd suggest the tilt to do so aswell..
heres the full housing for the Tytn II (has front camera cut out)
http://cnn.cn/shop/tytn-iitilt-full-housing-p-2148.html
and i guess you'll have to wait till some site starts selling the camera
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Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).
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They used to on the "blue" side about 4 years ago. My AT&T Wireless branded Motorola A845 has a front camera and a special send key for video calling. I'm suprised that they haven't implemented it yet, considering before the ATT/Cingular merger ATT offered the service in limited markets.
-Jay
at&t does support it. It's called video share. It's expensive 1 hour of video 10 dollars a month
Video share is only one way.. not 2 ways like normal video calling.
whats funny is AT&T got the one with the forward facing camera (as well as the one without it, and the one with no cameras) approved by the FCC. I was hoping they would release the one with the forward facing camera and debut 2-way video calling... i still think they're planning on it, maybe after they're done upgrade their 3g network which its planned for end of '08
Front Camera for web cam.
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Its a different hardware revision. At the very least, it will require purchasing the front camera (expensive) and a new case, then some very delicate soldering. If you need the camera so bad, get an HTC branded Kaiser. Its $750, but thats probably less than you will spend trying to convert a Tilt. Plus, if you have a Tilt, it probably means you are using AT&T in the USA. AT&T doesn't support video calling, so the front camera will be useless (which is why they didn't bother having it on the Tilt).
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Video Calling is OK.
But removing the camera is just a way to make us update our Tilts to a newer one with front side camera (when they want us to).
They could have leave it so we can use it as a web cam. And when they want offer the video conference calling.
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Video Calling is OK.
But removing the camera is just a way to make us update our Tilts to a newer one with front side camera (when they want us to).
They could have leave it so we can use it as a web cam. And when they want offer the video conference calling.
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Use as a web cam is specifically prohibited in the AT&T service agreement, so they would not leave something there for you to use for that purpose.
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They wont have it anytime soon, because we don't have important enough calls here in the USA to use it. They will have it soon but not this year, maybe in 2010 when almost all people have high end phones that arent crap.
Is it me, or is the USA behind on europe in these sort of things?
I live in the netherlands, and we've had 2-way videocalling for over 2 years now. Still not everybody has such a phone, but it can be used.
I'm not sure what the costs are, but it won't be anywhere near the 10 dollars someone mentioned here.
Also the 3G network mentioned, according to wikipedia this is an advanced GPRS network?
People here are using a mixture of 3g and UMTS networks for watching TV on their mobile phones, guess that's something which isn't available in the US either?
I had a small scratch on the front of my tilt after owning it one day. I replaced the front with a unbranded one (no At&t logo). It looks better, and I noticed that the appears to have a socket for the camera. There is a foam insert in it from the factory. If anyone has found a site that sells the front camera let me know, or if someone can confirm that this works.
My question is why would you want video calling? I don't see the thrill.
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My question is why would you want video calling? I don't see the thrill.
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I just want the front cover to have a functional camera thats all. Right now it just looks like it has one.
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I just want the front cover to have a functional camera thats all. Right now it just looks like it has one.
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Also, theres software that will enable a cell phones camera fr use as a webcam ( via USB , Bluetooth, Or Wifi) tethered to a desktop. I dont think this is against the policies of the Cellular carrier because you can still use your landline for the connection . Would be nice to have it on the front of the screen in case you plan on using the phone while youre using it as a webcam . . . . . . . .
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Is it me, or is the USA behind on europe in these sort of things?
I live in the netherlands, and we've had 2-way videocalling for over 2 years now. Still not everybody has such a phone, but it can be used.
I'm not sure what the costs are, but it won't be anywhere near the 10 dollars someone mentioned here.
Also the 3G network mentioned, according to wikipedia this is an advanced GPRS network?
People here are using a mixture of 3g and UMTS networks for watching TV on their mobile phones, guess that's something which isn't available in the US either?
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The US is behind many countries on many things. Quite frankly our government will probably have us behind what we consider "third world countries" in some things before we make it to 2010, heh.
I removed both cameras on the first day I got my Diamond. I've been looking through the service manual before and felt primed.
Beforehand I want to tell you I did this already to my Magician and my Hermes - easy like swinging compared to the following.
After nearly 2h everything was put together again (I spare you the dirty and sweaty details). Before I switched on again I already thought about posting here something like "don't do it... it's cumbersome". Ok, then I switched on.
Booting up just fine . Since I touched those sensitive antennae cables I tried my SIM-PIN, works. WLAN & BT, works. Navi (GPS) no signal!
During the next tremulous 4h I tried "everything". Cutting it short: there was a conducting patch grounding the GPS antenna cable . I pushed that cable 5nm (there's actually no room left within the housing - as long as the cameras are still in) below and it all worked again.
To sum it up: don't do it! I mean it: DON'T DO IT. If you're a reckless person - seek some other "joy".
Why am I posting in ROM dev.: Maybe someone has too much time and wants to save me some storage space and wants to cook me a ROM without camera stuff OR someone is in need of a tester for special software (e.g. 1st torch software for Magician needed the camera, my own software later on didn't need a camera and was much more lean and fast).
PS: If you still wonder why I actually did that -> company policy.
Dont know if i should laugh or cry... or go to bed -.-
Couldn't you just spray paint over the camera lenses or put scotch tape on them?
I don't know what to say... other than WTF!
@techdave: You'll be asked "R U carrying a camera-cellphone with U?" at the plant entrance. If the camera is "only" blinded they could get nitpicking and say there still is a camera. But I can "lordly" answer "No".
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@techdave: You'll be asked "R U carrying a camera-cellphone with U?" at the plant entrance. If the camera is "only" blinded they could get nitpicking and say there still is a camera. But I can "lordly" answer "No".
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but now you can reply, no i have fully maimed my thousand dollar smartphone in honour of this company!
Wow, extreme measures!
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but now you can reply, no i have fully maimed my thousand dollar smartphone in honour of this company!
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Haha only temporarily, he can put them back when he quits because he gets sick of a Diamond with no camera.
@racerx_: Don't exaggerate. It's neither that expensive nor is it maimed (luckily). There's been always little use for these cheap CMOS sensors for me.
hey, do your company guards know that you can bring your cameras in separate pocket and then reassemble it back at the facility? ;-)
Carrying the cameras would violate company policies itself - no matter whether in conjunction with a suitable device or not. Technically you'd also bring a USB-Cam, LAN-Cam and whatever cam.
I've got nothing more than a usual cell phone with added holes. Would this be violating? Almost every cell phone has got bluetooth capability. So what about bluetooth cams? Ooops. Is every (BT-)phone now violating the above policy?
What are you on man? Whatever it is its kicking in awesome.
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Carrying the cameras would violate company policies itself - no matter whether in conjunction with a suitable device or not. Technically you'd also bring a USB-Cam, LAN-Cam and whatever cam.
I've got nothing more than a usual cell phone with added holes. Would this be violating? Almost every cell phone has got bluetooth capability. So what about bluetooth cams? Ooops. Is every (BT-)phone now violating the above policy?
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I guess the policy is not to carry cameras, otherwise the policy would probably have been not to carry any communication device. Carrying a device with holes but with no camera's would be acceptable then. If not, you'd also have to remove the BT and the WiFi, since there are probably cameras out there that can communicate with BT or WiFi. If you are going to remove that, please take pictures (if you still can without the camera)? LOL
How did you move the GPS grounding cable a stunning distance of 5 nm? Is that cable fixed enough not to vibrate back while using the device?
I must say, I should go to sleep, did not cry, but felt a joy while reading your thread. Nice one! Thanx
Can we put a third camera on Diamond ?
Some pictures pls! Thanks!
drvdijk said:
...there are probably cameras out there that can communicate with BT or WiFi.
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That was my argument already! If BT and/or Wifi are allowed, then should be mine as well.
drvdijk said:
How did you move the GPS grounding cable a stunning distance of 5 nm? Is that cable fixed enough not to vibrate back while using the device?
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Well, 5nm were of course disproportionate. But yes, the cable is bendable. Although I wouldn't push it more than needed. Till now it didn't resume position because my device still knows where it is (although I don't know all the time).
drvdijk said:
I must say, I should go to sleep, did not cry, but felt a joy while reading your thread. Nice one! Thanx
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Great. Let's see in a 1-2 years when I'm disassembling the brand new HTC [disclosed]... :-D
panosha said:
Can we put a third camera on Diamond ?
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Where would you wanna do that? On the side? Two next to each other for stereography?
GSeeker said:
Some pictures pls! Thanks!
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I'll see what I can do. But I'm not gonna dismantle my baby again (unless I'm forced to).
I would be lucky if we were allowed to use phones with *removed* cameras. We have to prove, that it was a cameraless device from the beginning (like in: go to shop, buy without camera). Not sure if there's a official (i.e. AT&T) version of the diamond without camera.
(oh, and I regularly disassemble my smartphones when they get sick, nothing to worry about)
i demand pictures! ...so where do you work? BAHAHHA
TauTau said:
I would be lucky if we were allowed to use phones with *removed* cameras. We have to prove, that it was a cameraless device from the beginning (like in: go to shop, buy without camera). Not sure if there's a official (i.e. AT&T) version of the diamond without camera.
(oh, and I regularly disassemble my smartphones when they get sick, nothing to worry about)
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Yea, AT&T sells the Fuze with no camera. I guess you have to buy it through the business site or via phone though...
bigb252 said:
Yea, AT&T sells the Fuze with no camera. I guess you have to buy it through the business site or via phone though...
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which is exactly where I can't get from germany But at least there's a minimal chance then on the bay