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HTC S730 Video playback

Hi everyone.
I know, bad video performance is a known issue (see http://www.htcclassaction.org/).
But on my device I'm not able to play any video file without bucking image. About every second, the image stops for a short instance (I get sick watching this for more than a minute )
I tried different video files with different formats:
- wmv8 with 300 kbp/s, 25 images/s, 320 x 240 with wma8 128 kbit/s stereo (converted using All-in-1 mobile video convert)
- mpeg-4 (H.264)/AVC, between 128 and 1248 kbp/s 25 images/s, 320 x 240 and 64 to 128 kbp/s for stereo audio (converted with SUPER)
- a couple other files found on the web
I tried to play them with the installed Microsoft Media Player. Normally sound is ok, video never is. For the video it seems to make almost no difference what settings I use. mpeg-4 is a bit better than wma8. But between the 1248 kbp/s and the 128 kbp/s video there is no difference (besides th artifacts), It's bucking the same.
Can anyone please tell me, what codec / settings are playable on the HTC S730? Or can someone post an example video file that plays well on his device?
Any help is appreciated!

Window's media player is your problem in this case.
I have Core player and that TCPMP one posted above. If I drop resolution on some of my files I can play them perfectly in core player, and with TCPMP set to low (medium) all videos play fine. High action scenes sometimes cause a little studder so I am going to lower the origional res down a little bit.
The only problem I have run into is on some higher quality ones the phone runs out of page file memory which I currently have set to 1024 within TCPMP. Make sure your phone's memory is clear when trying to watch stuff and you should be just fine. Especially if you are dropping the resolution down that low.
I will try to take a short video of a video playing

Works!
It works! The problem really was windows media player!
Thanks a lot for the hint - I think I'd never try to change the player...
Frame rate is not perfect yet. I still have to figure out what the best settings are, but it is already ways better than before.

Hehe, no problem. WMP is not a well optimized player. For my computer and HTPC I use zoom player, it can handle 720p on a processor that really shouldnt be able to.

Video settings
Hi all.
After spending a lot of my spare time I finally found the right settings for converting videos for the HTC S730.
First I tried to convert videos to H.264/AVC and WM8. This does not produce anything you'd like to look at. Even with very low video bandwidth (200 kbit/s for video) the best I got was below 10 frames/s. With TCPMP it's a bit better than with Windows Media Player but there is no big difference.
But if works fine with the following settings:
Container : AVI
Video Codec: MPEG-4 480 kbit/s
Audio Codec: mp3 44.1 kHz stereo 128 kbit/s
For converting I use the free SUPER (http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html).
This way I get close to 25 frames/s (maybe 10% are dropped).
Please note that such a video cannot be played with the Windows Media Player. (AVI is a Microsoft format, but it looks as the player doesn't like the codec.) However it plays fine on TCPMP 0.71 (from here: http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/)
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Luki2 said:
Hi all.
After spending a lot of my spare time I finally found the right settings for converting videos for the HTC S730.
First I tried to convert videos to H.264/AVC and WM8. This does not produce anything you'd like to look at. Even with very low video bandwidth (200 kbit/s for video) the best I got was below 10 frames/s. With TCPMP it's a bit better than with Windows Media Player but there is no big difference.
But if works fine with the following settings:
Container : AVI
Video Codec: MPEG-4 480 kbit/s
Audio Codec: mp3 44.1 kHz stereo 128 kbit/s
For converting I use the free SUPER (http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html).
This way I get close to 25 frames/s (maybe 10% are dropped).
Please note that such a video cannot be played with the Windows Media Player. (AVI is a Microsoft format, but it looks as the player doesn't like the codec.) However it plays fine on TCPMP 0.71 (from here: http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/)
My daily train rides are much more pleasant now
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With my S710 (has a 200MHz TI OMAP850) I'm streaming 25fps/200kbs of my VLC server (which transcodes digital sat streams in real time). I'm using .ts container, mpeg1 vid, mp2 audio and Coreplayer as client.

I have an episode of Top Gear that I can play in TCMP at mediuam quality, its video rate is 199 / 25 fps.
WMP will only play the non tweeked files, in other words if it was compressed into any codec (xvid, divx, ogg, mkv) and other of the others WMP will not play it unless it has the codec installed. The other players (core player / TCMP) come able to read these files upon install so they work better.
With TCMP most of my files do not even have to be changed, just dump them on the sd card and with the player set to medium quality it goes right through them. Now some high action / motion scenes will cause a little lag or slow down but not much and not for long.

This is soooo ridiculous! WMP worked just fine in the older 200mhz devices! Now we have to switch to TCMP and make sure that no programs reside in memory before playing ANY videos? Ridiculous! HTC is losing a lot of faithful customers with this.

It depends on the type of file's your trying to play.
Just like WMP on the PC, it wont play anything without the codecs for them.

good video converter?

I'm looking a good video converter that compresses my movies so i can put them on my Tilt. Most movies i have are around 700MB and i need to get them compressed, without killing the video quality. Any help would be great, thanks.

What bitrate and codec are you using? I encode my videos at 320x240 using 1000kb DivX, and 2 hour movies come out around 400MB.

Also i can't use .avi, must be MPEG format after conversion. but my bitrate is 1000 and 320x240 is the size. Im going from .avi to .mpg

NotATreoFan said:
What bitrate and codec are you using? I encode my videos at 320x240 using 1000kb DivX, and 2 hour movies come out around 400MB.
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What program do you use?

scotchua said:
What program do you use?
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Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate right now.

freeware SUPER from erightsoft. just use the builtin ppc profile

draxredd said:
freeware SUPER from erightsoft. just use the builtin ppc profile
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that codes it to .avi. need it to be mpg because i use TCPMP to play my videos.

bubblebuddyi said:
that codes it to .avi. need it to be mpg because i use TCPMP to play my videos.
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Doesnt TCMP play avi ?
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-tcpmp-v0-72rc1.html
" TCPMP v0.72RC1 Description"
The Core Pocket Media Player is an open-source media player for Windows CE / Windows Mobile-based devices.
here is a article on how to watch Movies with Subtitles on your Pocket PC with TCPMP
Supported file containers:
- AVI (*.avi) <--------------------------------------------- This one here
- Matroska (*.mkv, *.mka)
- MP4 (*.mp4, *.m4a)
- Ogg Media (*.ogg, *.ogm)
- ASF (*.asf) Supported audio codecs:
- Mpeg 1 Layer III
- Ogg Vorbis
- Musepack
- Windows Media Audio (on Windows Mobile devices)
- AC-3
- AMR
- Adpcm, uLaw Supported video codecs:
- DivX
- XviD
- MPEG4-SP (plus B-frame support)
- MPEG1
- M-JPEG

pyraxiate said:
Doesnt TCMP play avi ?
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-tcpmp-v0-72rc1.html
" TCPMP v0.72RC1 Description"
The Core Pocket Media Player is an open-source media player for Windows CE / Windows Mobile-based devices.
here is a article on how to watch Movies with Subtitles on your Pocket PC with TCPMP
Supported file containers:
- AVI (*.avi) <--------------------------------------------- This one here
- Matroska (*.mkv, *.mka)
- MP4 (*.mp4, *.m4a)
- Ogg Media (*.ogg, *.ogm)
- ASF (*.asf) Supported audio codecs:
- Mpeg 1 Layer III
- Ogg Vorbis
- Musepack
- Windows Media Audio (on Windows Mobile devices)
- AC-3
- AMR
- Adpcm, uLaw Supported video codecs:
- DivX
- XviD
- MPEG4-SP (plus B-frame support)
- MPEG1
- M-JPEG
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Your right... it does lol. Sorry, for some reason they were opening in WMP so i figured they didn't work in TCPMP.

bubblebuddyi said:
Your right... it does lol. Sorry, for some reason they were opening in WMP so i figured they didn't work in TCPMP.
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Not a problem I used TCPMP for a while before I swapped over to coreplayer. Glad I could help

I use Pocket Divx encoder - It works great - Reduces the size to fit my screen, Avg video is 300 mb instead of 700 mb but you can still play with the quality to increase quality (Which increases file size) or reduce quality (to reduce file size). You can choose to play with video or audio qualities. I like to max out these settings as I like a crystal Clear picture on my screen with nice clear sound when I play through my car stereo.
Pocket Divx encoder is free - Just google it and try it for yourself.

I'll try that... also i should point out that if you use the D3D drivers, the videos play great. And to even make them near-perfect, put the frame rate at 15 instead of 25 or whatever. Then its near perfect for me.

SUPER is perfectly capable of enconding any flavour of mpeg (2,3,4 you name it...)

For every conversion I use Mediacoder. Whether it's for my Kaiser, PSP, an iPod, .or just for converting vids or music, this is my choice.
It's not really user-friendly and you will have to know what you're doing (since it lacks a good wizard IMHO). But once you master this program, the options are pratically unlimited.
Best of all, it's free!

I've used almost all the converters already listed here. But for me, the best one is still Xvid4PSP.
Originally used for the PSP, it has several presets built-in but you can use advanced settings also.
Very easy to use, and does a good job.
Give it a try:
http://www.winnydows.com/news.php

Videos don't work on WMP

Guys help me ....
Everytime i want to play a Video with WMP it says "The source filter for the file could not be loaded.". I tried the blackstone encoder which has worked yesterday, when i converted 720p Avatar trailer. But i want to convert an other video, but WMP doesn't play them.
I tried several formats, codecs and bitrates. This damn thing won't work
CorePlayer plays most of the Videos, but lacks video acceleration.
ROM: Valkyrie Firestorm 5.4.23517

coreplayer dude, its the best video player around, with core player what acceleration do you need???
no need to convert avi at 720p with coreplayer, i use all of axxo movies with core player and they show with no video/audio lags, issues or interruptions, and they perform just as good as my dvd player
make sure all ur apps are closed before watching a video for best performance
IMO, windows media player on pocketpc is a joke and is the worst thing on a device, either M$ need to start incorporating codecs or start selling codecs to make it an ultimate media player, i dont even waste time trying to watch a video with WMP

Video specs
Length: 09:45 min.
Size: 62448 kb
Resolution: 800x480
Container: MP4
Video Codec: H.264/AVC
Audio Codec: AAC LC
Video Bitrate: 768 kbps
Audio Bitrate: 96 kbps
Framerate: 25 FPS
H.264 Profile: Baseline 1.3
This video doesn't work on WMP.
And its choppy on CorePlayer 1.3.6.
So what should i do?

try making it divX rather then H.264

It's better with divx but still a little choppy. Any special settings in coreplayer?

A couple of roms I've used had this problem, something with the codec being unavaliable. Just change the rom and you can watch the video on WMP

Just did a hardreset, now it's working.

MKV Player

Searching for player which playes mkv videos including its subtitles without converting it into some crap. Tried Rockplayer and mvideoplayer but without luck.
Any suggestions or advice ppl?

am using vitalplayer and it's quite good with my mkv files....though i haven't really tried on a movie with subtitles.

Robson said:
am using vitalplayer and it's quite good with my mkv files....though i haven't really tried on a movie with subtitles.
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how to convert this files?

VPlayer supports mkv

Yeah but it does not play subtitle in videos

RockPlayer suports all video format

bearthang said:
RockPlayer suports all video format
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yep, same here.
I love that App.

Yes its a great app but it doesnt play subtitles including videos.
Any better advice??????

Rockpalyer works great!!
But i'm interested in subtitle too

Rockplayer works for me.

M video player

I'm not sure how QQPlayer handles it, but it's another free (great) video player worth downloading and trying.

Still waiting........

wry007 said:
Still waiting........
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I'm waiting too

Only phones with native mkv video format support can play .mkv videos efficiently. So, forget about mkv, it doesn't matter which player you use. But anyway, the best video player for me is RockPlayer.

Try Vital player. It supports SMI and SRT subtitle files.
But i don't try mkv files. It should work coz rmvb works.

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QQ Player works great on My HD2.

Vitalplayer works fine.

Mediacoder
I think the best method would to just burn the subtitles into the encoded video...
Furthermore, MKV container can support a lot of different video (most commonly h.264)...
either way, it would be beneficial to convert to h.264 video and aac audio in mp4 container... Then virtually all target devices can play the file. You'll run 720p that way a lot better too (480p ideally to save space)
So, if you have a nvidia card with PureVideo2 I definitely recommend this method...(or a decent cpu)
mediacoder has cuda encoder bundled with it to make quick work of video->mp4
Here are some of my settings that I use in Winmo, plays back flawlessly on android too.
Video:
Avg bitrate - 1200 (you can set it higher if you want... you'll just get a bigger file size with marginally better quality imo)
Format - h.264
Encoder - Cuda (NVidia cards) , ffmpeg (cpu encoding)
Audio:
Format - LC-AAC
Encoder - FAAC
Avg Bitrate - 128 MPEG4
Container - MP4 (select it in both audio and container tab)
Picture:
Resize - 800x480
Aspect Ratio - Set pixel AR, 1:1
Crop - Disabled
Subtitle
Renderer - Default
Scale, position, outline, blur) - adjust for subtitle appearance
ID - 0 to # (set according which subtitle you want to use from the source video
These are just some loose settings to get you into ballpark range...
make sure you preview before you encode a bunch of files and make sure it works on the device.
I also think there is a "portable device" edition of mediacoder
Sorry for the long post.

mobo player plays mkv with subs but it isnt the best. good enough for the meantime till i find something better.

[Q] Video formats?

Guys, I have a 1280x720P mp4 video, but I can't play it on my phone even with the help of rockplayer and moboplayer.
So I guess conversion is the only way. I just wanted to ask what's your preferences for conversion bitrate,encoder,format,etc...
TIA.

I am using Xilisoft Video Converter Ultimate 6 to convert video files.
Profile: Android - MPEG4 Video
Video Size: 720x576

Duh 320 CBR audio and divx video ofc ;D
But you should be able to play it, try some other players

I'm using Any Video Converter, its a freeware.
Convert to Mp4 using X.264 800x480 resolution 800kbps Video bitrate = flawless quality

what ROM you're using? CM?? try Paul's FR19, and install moboplayer..

Using CM7117, moboplayer works now with a little sound offset.