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I'm saddened by the high increase of irrelevant posts, and even more about the sometimes aggressive responses given to newbies.
As I see it, there is no way to completely get rid of newbies' questions or posts. So, the poll' question is: what should be the best attitude toward irrelevant posts/questions?
I hope this poll might contribute some how in having a better conduct and efficiency here in XDA.
Cheers everyone
FYI, check also XDA official' RULES: Please read this before posting
You need another voting option: post a link to the appropriate page/site (Wiki, MrVanx's Guide etc) and advise them to read as much as possible and understand what they are doing before they create a very expensive brick, without wasting time insulting and looking like an arrogant ****.
Short polite and to the point.
Unless you have a hangover of course........
I second that option
That didn't even work in this case.
That one's not even smart enough to click on the hyperlink to get the information he was "spoon fed".
newbie2 said:
That didn't even work in this case.
That one's not even smart enough to click on the hyperlink to get the information he was "spoon fed".
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tragic....i cant beleive people like this do anything else on their phone other than pressing numbers and hitting send/end.
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You need another voting option: post a link to the appropriate page/site (Wiki, MrVanx's Guide etc) and advise them to read as much as possible and understand what they are doing before they create a very expensive brick, without wasting time insulting and looking like an arrogant ****.
Short polite and to the point.
Unless you have a hangover of course........
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I think the 3rd option is the one that comes nearest in this situation.
Here´s a proposal
Prerna said:
I'm saddened by the high increase of irrelevant posts, and even more about the sometimes aggressive responses given to newbies.
As I see it, there is no way to completely get rid of newbies' questions or posts. So, the poll' question is: what should be the best attitude toward irrelevant posts/questions?
I hope this poll might contribute some how in having a better conduct and efficiency here in XDA.
Cheers everyone
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I´m a member of another forum (not related to phones nor PPCs !) Whenever a question comes on an issue of those already answered a ton of times the moderator "sends the member posting the question TO READ", this means that this member has no right to post anything during a week. I don´t know if this forum has such capability and I don´t know neither if the mods would be willing to take this "extra" job.
Sounds quite drastic, although maybe a base to think of other possibilities how to handle the issue.
Surely, XDA deserves better than what I've seen in the past few weeks in the Hermes' forum.
Answer the question or STFU
But above all, don't reply to the post with an RTFM Noob post only. Maybe answer the question then do an RTFM in the same post.
RTFM posts add no value whatsoever, aside from making the poster feel smart.
-Humbert
Prerna said:
I'm saddened by the high increase of irrelevant posts, and even more about the sometimes aggressive responses given to newbies.
As I see it, there is no way to completely get rid of newbies' questions or posts. So, the poll' question is: what should be the best attitude toward irrelevant posts/questions?
I hope this poll might contribute some how in having a better conduct and efficiency here in XDA.
Cheers everyone
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Well, I am new to this forum. But, I have to agree we need aggressive measure to deal with people don't do the work of search.
Personally, I don't have many posts because I can find answers to almost all of my questions just by searching and spend time reading. So, not all newbies are bad, but you need to deal with the bad ones with a hard hand.
You senior members are getting about as bad on this issue as the newbies asking the same questions over and over. If you would have used the search button, you would have found that there have been 3950 threads about what to do with newbies and 423,654 flame posts to a newbie. Okay, so that was a joke but, for the love of all things holy, can we move on?
Sincerely,
Newbie who uses search button, has read the wiki (in part so far) and who doesn't ask questions that could in any way be misconstrued as not having done the aforementioned.
Scratch that. I am now a junior member. Woohoo for me!
help them,
some people are not pda svay and new to it all,they may have had a cell prior and dont work in a tech/IT role so may not be to sharp on a lot of the tech side
Everyone starts somewere,if you can take the time to reply with an insult or try google ,then you can find the time to point em in the right direction
Imagine if you took your car to be looked at and got the same response,ok the info is free and you can use search,but a little help goes a long way
its the net ,use it to gain info and spread it,not sit being smug or post insults
if we all use the net to its full potential we can achive so many things
i am sure we all have been newbies before. how would you have like to be treated/replied?
i suggest if the noob question is polite, then answer it politely and give some advise on how to use the search function and the wiki.
if the noob question is somehow impolite, aggressive, etc., perhaps a little apprehension/reminder is required.
jaceuk said:
help them,
some people are not pda svay and new to it all,they may have had a cell prior and dont work in a tech/IT role so may not be to sharp on a lot of the tech side
Everyone starts somewere,if you can take the time to reply with an insult or try google ,then you can find the time to point em in the right direction
Imagine if you took your car to be looked at and got the same response,ok the info is free and you can use search,but a little help goes a long way
its the net ,use it to gain info and spread it,not sit being smug or post insults
if we all use the net to its full potential we can achive so many things
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You've taken your car to be looked at and NOT got the same response?
Wow, you have nicer car mechanics in your area.....
There are various levels of noob, which need to be distinguished between.
There are those who have tried to search and read but not fund the answer, although it may be there. (maybe wrong search terms)
There are those who have not looked hard enough and are just being lazy. (perhaps they were put off by the huge number of posts etc)
There are those who demand answers without looking.
There are those who demand answers to questions which demonstrate that they really have not even tried to get any kind of an idea of what they are doing.
Favourite recent examples are :
CAN I LOAD WINDOWS MOBILE 6.0 ON SONYERICSSON M600i (UIQ 3)
i have downloaded black v3 but want to check if it will install to my Dell Axim aswell as my spv????
Where can I get Windows Mobile 6?
Tis funny, another post on what to do with us...
Hi, as a noob myself, new to the hermes, nothing else... I lurked here for a while before actually registering... I was really disheartened by the posts of RTFM and the like... I tried searching for my answers with the limited capabilities of this forum (don't get me wrong, I like the forum, but the search sux), but rarely could find what I was looking for... It wasn't until someone actually included a link to another noob with the various ways to successfully search the forum, that I decided to register...
If we could use the google search link as a sticky, it may help... I believe that the google advanced search link is included in the FAQs, if not, it should be... but I have simply added it to my sig... My suggestion would be for those of us who tire from 'ignorant' posts to do likewise...
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Google search sticky
debonairone said:
If we could use the google search link as a sticky, it may help... I believe that the google advanced search link is included in the FAQs, if not, it should be...
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It´s been there for a while
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304582
By the way, check it, it´s been updated recently with good info for the WM6 adicts....
Read this!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304959
Whatever. You know the seniors' stance is questionable when the entire purpose of setting up another private forum is to "get away from n00bs", and when you hit 100 posts you aren't even allowed to ask a simple, obscure question because it appeared in a topic like more than 6 months ago, and you're supposed to be "experienced" enough to know.
Everyone here has valid points, but it still doesn't solve the problem... It will not be an easy one to solve, as long as the search function is not blatantly put in front of noobs... As I said before, I lurked for a while before even registering because of the flaming posts for "stupid" questions... Need everyone be reminded that English is not the first language for everyone on this board...? That makes it a little harder for someone to properly search for the correct items and locate them... Then they are tasked with understanding what is written... And since it has become okay to use acronyms while typing, translators cannot keep up... Hell, it took me a couple of hours to figure out what RTFM meant...
Anyway, making things a bit easier for those with less knowledge cannot possibly be a wrong turn...
ok - I am not given to fits of anger or anything but this has really gotten me to a boil:
THE SEARCHING FUNCTIONALITY IN THESE FORUMS IS PATHETIC!
phew - sorry but I really needed to get that off my chest...
it seems more the norm than the exception that forums have ridiculously inadequate search functions but this one takes the cake!
I understand all the "search the forums" "read this thread:" etc comments from the veterans that see the same question asked time and again but hey - YOU try searching for something in a million posts with a search that brings up either EVERY post under the sun or NONE!
it's like trying to read through all of these just to find one thing!
I know there's nothing that anyone will do about this, but I just HAD TO VENT!
yorgo said:
ok - I am not given to fits of anger or anything but this has really gotten me to a boil:
THE SEARCHING FUNCTIONALITY IN THESE FORUMS IS PATHETIC!
phew - sorry but I really needed to get that off my chest...
it seems more the norm than the exception that forums have ridiculously inadequate search functions but this one takes the cake!
I understand all the "search the forums" "read this thread:" etc comments from the veterans that see the same question asked time and again but hey - YOU try searching for something in a million posts with a search that brings up either EVERY post under the sun or NONE!
it's like trying to read through all of these just to find one thing!
I know there's nothing that anyone will do about this, but I just HAD TO VENT!
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Try this.
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Try this.
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an easier way to do that is....
in google just type what you want to search for and add site:forum.xda-developers.com
ie: 'voip sip settings site:forum.xda-developers.com'
that works for me because i like to minimize clicking
p.s. the blame should be put on vbulletin
search works just fine when i use it
I used the Search ones to find my car keys... and it couldn't find them .. The search SUCKS!
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Mike,
Don't you know searching for LOL will turn up 9,945,325,440 search results here?
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LOL, but seriously this is sort of a nuisance. Trying to search os.nb to find all info about this format and nothing comes up. Thanks @ TaurusBullba for that method of search. Give google a few years and they'll even be able to find that chic you hooked up with during Spring Break 7 years ago
how do i search a specific phrase? quotation marks seems to have no effect here on this forum's search!! like:
"gprs stays on"
i would get results with GPRS, or some posts where says STAYS or even ON !!! i can't get it to return specific searches returning only posts where it returns results with the entire quote (yes i know there is google, but i'm sure that option is here on the forum's search or is it?)
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lol you obviously didnt read carefully what i said, i know about Taurusbulba's post on page one, i'm saying was there anyway to do it without using google to search within forum.xda-developers.com and only using the forum's original search engine to do exact phrase searches.
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There is a limitation within the forum's native site search. It is what it is. However, the admin is aware of the MANY requests from users and moderators alike regarding the, often times, poor search results.
If the forum's search code is changed to make the search results more relevant, it will definitely be conveyed to everyone on the front page, I'm sure.
In the meantime, the best way to get what you're looking for is to use Google search. You may want to bookmark this to make getting to it a bit quicker.
Mike has also been generous enough to sticky Google's search links in many forums here already too.
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There is a limitation within the forum's native site search. It is what it is. However, the admin is aware of the MANY requests from users and moderators alike regarding the, often times, poor search results.
If the forum's search code is changed to make the search results more relevant, it will definitely be conveyed to everyone on the front page, I'm sure.
In the meantime, the best way to get what you're looking for is to use Google search. You may want to bookmark this to make getting to it a bit quicker.
Mike has also been generous enough to sticky Google's search links in many forums here already too.
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i see well it's a great forum nonetheless, i love this place
a good way is to use AND OR NOT the good old boolean expresion to filter ones searchs
is there some massive library of icons, themes and wallpapers for the tilt?
I downloaded a random pinhead wallpaper but it looked all screwed up when I 'tilted'
also I have the home customization thing and downloaded all the icons and clocks and stuff, but there's really not too many I like
use the SEARCH tool..
or better yet...try GOOGLE..i heard it helps
now now. the label senior member beside you name only means that youve got 100 + posts and doesnt give the right to be a penis
lmaoo..na dude its nothing like that!
its just that its a ppc website..even if u spell theme wallpaper or skin wrong ur gonna get a million and nine things..
ESPECIALLY in google
true, but you could've at least mentioned to google mobile9.
jayjay8585 said:
true, but you could've at least mentioned to google mobile9.
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ooorrr you could just search for the word "themes" and get over 15 pages of results here on XDA alone....
jayjay8585 said:
now now. the label senior member beside you name only means that youve got 100 + posts and doesnt give the right to be a penis
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Or it means that you've helped 100 people with legitimate questions and problems after they bothered to do even a basic search to help themselves first.
why do people in forums act like making a new post is so bad?
more text = more search results = more traffic
anyways I'm not used to windows way of doing things where you just google something and then just download files from anyone who offers them to you
which is why I thought, maybe the people who know more about the tilt could point me at a specific known-decent/good site.
excuse me for living
scythetleppo said:
why do people in forums act like making a new post is so bad?
more text = more search results = more traffic
anyways I'm not used to windows way of doing things where you just google something and then just download files from anyone who offers them to you
which is why I thought, maybe the people who know more about the tilt could point me at a specific known-decent/good site.
excuse me for living
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You are excused for living... not for posting redundant threads. lol at the "windows" way (what does that even mean?) of doing things, especially when you dont HAVE to google and download to find what you want. The moderaters of this site have been kind enough to give us a search function and for stuff like this it has, of course, been asked about and answered many times.
also,
No, more text = a more crowded message board = frustrated people leaving when searching for an answser about given subject pops up 100 threads and then user has no idea where to even start.
scythetleppo said:
why do people in forums act like making a new post is so bad?
more text = more search results = more traffic
anyways I'm not used to windows way of doing things where you just google something and then just download files from anyone who offers them to you
which is why I thought, maybe the people who know more about the tilt could point me at a specific known-decent/good site.
excuse me for living
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More redundant threads-more diluted search results-more frustration trying to find even the simplest thing.
And an astronomical task of cleaning the site up of redundant and useless posts
Start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336013&highlight=Post+today+screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363515
Hello everyone! I've searched but can't find a solution to this:
I am on the AT&T Network along with most of my friends. Today, I tried to send a VIDEO to a friend with a Treo 650. He only received a black screen. Is this a problem with my device or his? He's got the stock Treo 650. I thought that it may have been a file type that he can't get.
Any help?
I hate to say this again as it bores me...
please post in the correct sub forum...
you are a senior member so should know by now where to post your question, sorry for being short & brash...
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stylez said:
I hate to say this again as it bores me...
please post in the correct sub forum...
you are a senior member so should know by now where to post your question, sorry for being short & brash...
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As I pondered whether or not to grant visibility to this statement, I've concluded that I should provide a teaching moment.
1. Being dishonest is one thing that really displays true character. Hence, if saying something is something you HATE and is boring; then WHY say it? It is not neccessary.
2. To seemingly apologize for obviously intending to be short and brash, is less than necessary, especially when there's a realization of your being short and brash BEFORE you type the message. There was no afterthough following sending the message, and following up with an apology. You had an opportunity to NOT be short OR brash.
3. My senior membership must be predicated on membership longevity or something similar thereof, for it is definitely not indicative of any extensive knowledge of posting in very many forums, and automatic knowledge of where each any every post content belongs. In any of my postings, I have NEVER had a post moved. So, apparently I'm not as inept as you may feel. My thought was, that my current situation was maybe ROM related since this is a cooked ROM. THAT'S why I posted here. TO GAIN DIRECTION.
You have provided comments, but no direction. Therefore you've added NO value AT ALL. So your post is merely to satisfy some personal accomplishment, or to create some activity with a window of time you know not what to do with.
My apologies to any MODS for accidentally looking for help in the wrong forum. At least I hoped to be directed to the appropriate destination to either POST, RECEIVE HELP, or BOTH.
maiahsdad said:
As I pondered whether or not to grant visibility to this statement, I've concluded that I should provide a teaching moment.
1. Being dishonest is one thing that really displays true character. Hence, if saying something is something you HATE and is boring; then WHY say it? It is not neccessary.
2. To seemingly apologize for obviously intending to be short and brash, is less than necessary, especially when there's a realization of your being short and brash BEFORE you type the message. There was no afterthough following sending the message, and following up with an apology. You had an opportunity to NOT be short OR brash.
3. My senior membership must be predicated on membership longevity or something similar thereof, for it is definitely not indicative of any extensive knowledge of posting in very many forums, and automatic knowledge of where each any every post content belongs. In any of my postings, I have NEVER had a post moved. So, apparently I'm not as inept as you my feel. My thought was, that my current situation was maybe ROM related since this is a cooked ROM. THAT'S why I posted here. TO GAIN DIRECTION.
You have provided comments, but no direction. Therefore you've added NO value AT ALL.
My apologies to any MODS for accidentally looking for help in the wrong forum. At least I hoped to be directed to the appropriate destination to either POST, RECEIVE HELP, or BOTH.
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i don't ponder i reckon!!! lol, and i reckon i didn't know treo 650's were still around, that was my first touch screen phone, and it had ALOT of video playback problems, so it very well could be, may also be a loss in data during the sending over the network. i reckon you should try to bt your vid to your friend and see if that works.
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i don't ponder i reckon!!! lol, and i reckon i didn't know treo 650's were still around, that was my first touch screen phone, and it had ALOT of video playback problems, so it very well could be, may also be a loss in data during the sending over the network. i reckon you should try to bt your vid to your friend and see if that works.
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LOL!!! And it was my first touch-screen device as well! But my friend just LOVES that device! I can't get'em to part with it. But THANK YOU for the bluetooth idea. I'll be sure to try that if we're ever in the same area. I'm in Indiana, and he's in Virginia. So BT isn't an option. But I'm hoping to get some ideas here.
Thanks again for positive feedback.
maiahsdad said:
As I pondered whether or not to grant visibility to this statement, I've concluded that I should provide a teaching moment.
1. Being dishonest is one thing that really displays true character. Hence, if saying something is something you HATE and is boring; then WHY say it? It is not neccessary.
2. To seemingly apologize for obviously intending to be short and brash, is less than necessary, especially when there's a realization of your being short and brash BEFORE you type the message. There was no afterthough following sending the message, and following up with an apology. You had an opportunity to NOT be short OR brash.
3. My senior membership must be predicated on membership longevity or something similar thereof, for it is definitely not indicative of any extensive knowledge of posting in very many forums, and automatic knowledge of where each any every post content belongs. In any of my postings, I have NEVER had a post moved. So, apparently I'm not as inept as you may feel. My thought was, that my current situation was maybe ROM related since this is a cooked ROM. THAT'S why I posted here. TO GAIN DIRECTION.
You have provided comments, but no direction. Therefore you've added NO value AT ALL. So your post is merely to satisfy some personal accomplishment, or to create some activity with a window of time you know not what to do with.
My apologies to any MODS for accidentally looking for help in the wrong forum. At least I hoped to be directed to the appropriate destination to either POST, RECEIVE HELP, or BOTH.
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This post didn't add much value either .. the pot calling the kettle black? hmm?
How about you send something from that 650 to another phone and see what happens.
Is it even on the same network as you are?
ChumleyEX said:
This post didn't add much value either .. the pot calling the kettle black? hmm?
How about you send something from that 650 to another phone and see what happens.
Is it even on the same network as you are?
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And we've just added your post to that statement. Already tried that. Works fine in that direction. Just NOT from the Tilt to the Treo.
How about to another treo 650 or any of the other palm OS ones?
Is it still playable as in does the video move yet it is black? If so then it's lack of codec support.....
Even if it doesn't move i'd still edge my bets on "old" technology with a newer video format "codec" being the issue.
"In response to your long satirical post maybe i responded in boredom to the boredom of the boredomous post in the incorect sub forum, don't worry your not the only one , oh and if it was ROM related then you should have posted in the ROM thread"
Yes i am just joshin with ya
stylez said:
Is it still playable as in does the video move yet it is black? If so then it's lack of codec support.....
Even if it doesn't move i'd still edge my bets on "old" technology with a newer video format "codec" being the issue.
"In response to your long satirical post maybe i responded in boredom to the boredom of the boredomous post in the incorect sub forum, don't worry your not the only one , oh and if it was ROM related then you should have posted in the ROM thread"
Yes i am just joshin with ya
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Yes, black picture with 3 other Treos. I posted in the Phoenix private beta thread and didn't get a response.
So, I guess I'll follow up with my partners and ask if they can update their codecs. I was hoping that I could send in a different format that they can view.
maiahsdad said:
Yes, black picture with 3 other Treos. I posted in the Phoenix private beta thread and didn't get a response.
So, I guess I'll follow up with my partners and ask if they can update their codecs. I was hoping that I could send in a different format that they can view.
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If they install a Video player like TCPMP the they should be fine.
Another way would be for you to convert the video on computer to another format, ask what format video's they can play SUPER ©
Well I just needed to vent about my love for everything android, and every time I try and talk to my friends\family about what new phone I am wanting to get, or what's coming up next in my Android-venture, I get the typical, " why do you even want a new phone? You have a perfectly good one right there" response. Thing is, they don't know I own a good 10 more phones I have locked away in a little burglar proof vault, like the precious "Gems" that they are :laugh::good:. But on a serious note, I am in need of a higher end phone but don't feel like spending a whole paycheck to get one, as I have bills, on top of bills, and you guessed it, on top of bills. So I figure, maybe I am in the realm of a good 300 to 400 dollar range, I figure about as much as a new Xbox or PS would cost, I could easily get away with that without too much headache. So getting to the point of this post haha, what phones have any of you XDA "Devs" or any other person of interest, have had or used at one point, or even have just been looking at like that " dog in the window" type ish, that you would recommend I take a look at? I am not set on any brand or manufacture seeing as I own phones from all across the board zte, Samsung, lg, ect. As long as a root and twrp have been achieved on it, I say she's fair game. . I would greatly appreciate some feedback\and or advice on this subject as seeing it is Christmas tomorrow ?, and I will be Raking in the Benjamins and I would like an informed decision before I go "candy shopping" for new phonez (ya I went there with the z) in good ole' Twenty 18!
InFamousLGe said:
Well I just needed to vent about my love for everything android, and every time I try and talk to my friends\family about what new phone I am wanting to get, or what's coming up next in my Android-venture, I get the typical, " why do you even want a new phone? You have a perfectly good one right there" response...
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Your best bet is to post this question within one of the following threads that is specific to your question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846277
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
Good Luck!
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Thank you for the speedy response haha, and is there a way to have it moved or move it myself without creating an identical
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Thank you for the speedy response haha, and is there a way to have it moved or move it myself without creating an identical
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no need to create another one just post here https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179 as per forum rules
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