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I've had a Tilt since it launched and have run multiple different roms. What has always happened since I bought it, is that my internet connection will drop when I'm on a phone. I don't understand. I shouldn't, right? None of my other non-WM phones dropped the internet connection.
That's one of the things I loved about GSM, I could be talking on the phone (via BT) and use the internet on it, but not anymore with this phone. IM+ will disconnect all the IM clients, which is the most annoying one. I think I've heard people in this forum say they don't have this problem. Is it a flaw with Windows Mobile itself (Microsoft catering to CDMA), the Kaiser model, firmware or my phone itself?
yep, drops my HSDPA when on call as well. It's probably normal.
hey man you know you can only use the phone and the internet at the same time on a 3g conection right? if its not that then i dont know whats up try a new rom i guess
hey i just saw that another person posted in here and had the same problem on a 3g network so i tried it out i can use the phone for data and a call at the same time im using a wm 6.1 rom not sure what one maybe its a problem with the service in your area
Man, some commas would really help..
Anyway.. when you say that u can use phone and internet at the same time - have you actually tried being on the call and browse internet? It does stay connected, but there is no traffic.
I don't think it has ever worked on my Kaiser. It works on my Razr v3xx. Maybe it is 3G. For some reason, now that I put a new 6.1 rom and a new 6.1 compatible radio, my phone is almost only on EDGE when I used to always be on HSDPA. Well, the battery life is better at least. I'll try again when I connect to a 3G network, which used to be always.
I don't think my Razr was limited to simultaneous voice + data only when on 3G.
fb.knight said:
hey man you know you can only use the phone and the internet at the same time on a 3g conection right? if its not that then i dont know whats up try a new rom i guess
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I've known this too. Tethering and phone work in 3g for me as well.
yeah i did browse to a few sites made sure it was using the data. even made sure it wasnt just cached pages. hey if ur only getting edge maybe its ur radio rom? i was getting that for awhile new rom and it went away
I'm using HSDPA, never 3G (it switches to HSDPA when 3G is available).. it's definitelly faster.. but I have battery charge issues and no traffic while on call. Perhaps 3G doesn't have those issues, I will try it out.
I do get EDGE sometimes, but it's usually same spots. I guess some towers don't have 3G i-net connection, only EDGE. Some places, however, I always get HSDPA (usually where signal strength is high)
sorry i forgot not all 3g is hsdpa i should of clarified we have hsdpa over here
I have the same problem. 3G or H data connections drop when a call is made or received. reconnects when call is over. Anyone with ideas if it is the phone, radio or rom?
Solved!! After some digging around in the forum I found out that setting a limit to disconnect your data connection will cause this problem. If your using kaisertweak go under "Data" set the "disconnect after" to disabled (default) instead of the 1 minute(advised). for some reason this will now allow data and voice to work together and wont drop your data connection while on call anymore. Good luck with your device.
using PDA plan on wap.cingular
ATT TILT
Dutty_s_WM6.1_Official_UC_5.2.19199_RTM
POLAR_Radio_1.58.21.23
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I have this feature setup just like you and voice and data still doesn't work together
pacmanpoop said:
I have the same problem. 3G or H data connections drop when a call is made or received. reconnects when call is over. Anyone with ideas if it is the phone, radio or rom?
Solved!! After some digging around in the forum I found out that setting a limit to disconnect your data connection will cause this problem. If your using kaisertweak go under "Data" set the "disconnect after" to disabled (default) instead of the 1 minute(advised). for some reason this will now allow data and voice to work together and wont drop your data connection while on call anymore. Good luck with your device.
using PDA plan on wap.cingular
ATT TILT
Dutty_s_WM6.1_Official_UC_5.2.19199_RTM
POLAR_Radio_1.58.21.23
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I had the same problem and this fixed my issue.
Hey guys!
I tried searching the forums on an answer to the question I'm having, but no luck. So.. here goes!
Is there a way to disable GPRS, and have only UMTS (and 3G, HSDPA) connections?
The reason I'm asking this, is that whenever I move into an area without UMTS coverage, it automaticly switches to GPRS. When this happens during a phone call, the call gets dropped! Also, while having a GPRS connection, noone is able to call me, without me noticing.
What I'd like to happen is that when there's no UMTS coverage, there will not be a data connection, at all, not even GPRS. (of course, GSM will be available at all times).
I've tried the utilities Bandswitch and CommMgr Pro (www.commmgrpro.com), but both do not seem to offer this feature.
Any idea's? Thanks in advance!
here you go, this should help( i hope ): Modaco NoData
I guess he'd want it to be automated, so as soon as the radio switches to GSM the connection gets disabled, and when it switches back to UMTS it gets enabled again.
I unfortunately haven't seen anything allowing it so far.
When this happens during a phone call, the call gets dropped!
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Can't do much about this, even with no data connection. The radio must disconnect/reconnect from the network to switch mode so the call wil be dropped anyway.
Hey you two, thanks for answering!
Unfortunatly Zee, the NoData utility actually drops the entire connection (3G included).
Maybe it's just not possible.. because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection.. at least, that's how I see it when it's trying to connect.
Still though.. I'm hoping for a way to get this working
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Hey you two, thanks for answering!
because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection..
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No, if your radio is in 3G mode when you establish the connection it should directly connect as 3G without going through GPRS.
It will go to 3G first before switching to HSDPA once a data transfer has started though, maybe that's what you saw.
Ah.. I get it.. thanks Kilrah! So.. it COULD be possible haha..
w000ter said:
Ah.. I get it.. thanks Kilrah! So.. it COULD be possible haha..
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If you want to get your hands dirty you could experiment with .NET CF
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If you want to get your hands dirty you could experiment with .NET CF
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Been thinking about that.. but nah.. too time consuming and I'm no wizkid either
But if you feel that developing such tool is your destiny, then by all means, go ahead ! hehehe
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Been thinking about that.. but nah.. too time consuming and I'm no wizkid either
But if you feel that developing such tool is your destiny, then by all means, go ahead ! hehehe
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Naw, i dont know enough about the technicalities of the cell phone to work with it, sorry
offtopic// Senior member!
zeezee said:
Naw, i dont know enough about the technicalities of the cell phone to work with it, sorry
offtopic// Senior member!
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I'll just get my hands dirty on other stuff then..
w000ter said:
Hey you two, thanks for answering!
Unfortunatly Zee, the NoData utility actually drops the entire connection (3G included).
Maybe it's just not possible.. because to get a 3G/UMTS connection, it starts by making a GPRS connection.. at least, that's how I see it when it's trying to connect.
Still though.. I'm hoping for a way to get this working
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As mentioned in the thread, if you switch between EDGE/GPRS and 3G, your call and data are both dropped. This is why I stopped doing auto-switch with BandSwitch as I was always getting random call drops as it switched.
ie: I stay on EDGE, but I want to do 3G for a few minutes to download something. Then I get a call. The 10 minute switch timer I set expires, bam, call dropped.
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As mentioned in the thread, if you switch between EDGE/GPRS and 3G, your call and data are both dropped. This is why I stopped doing auto-switch with BandSwitch as I was always getting random call drops as it switched.
ie: I stay on EDGE, but I want to do 3G for a few minutes to download something. Then I get a call. The 10 minute switch timer I set expires, bam, call dropped.
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So that's basicly the other way around..
I'd like to avoid EDGE/GPRS all together, my calls not only get dropped when a GPRS connection is established, but also when data is being transferred. In fact, if I'm sending/receiving data on a GPRS connection, people are unable to call me, and I dont even notice.
Yeah.. this is why I really dislike GPRS, and love UMTS
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if I'm sending/receiving data on a GPRS connection, people are unable to call me, and I dont even notice.
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Yep that's normal EDGE behavior, if you have a connection active but no data being transferred at the moment you get a call it will go through, but while data is going through the call gets dropped.
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Yep that's normal EDGE behavior, if you have a connection active but no data being transferred at the moment you get a call it will go through, but while data is going through the call gets dropped.
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Thanks for confirming that Kilrah, it took me quite a while to figure out why that happens haha.
Will this allow me to set conditions for standard connection and Roaming Connection?
ie. i want to to use my UMTS connection when connected via 3G,
but when roaming, i want it to switch automatically to my alternate connection.
My Carrier : Connection 3services
Roaming : Connection 3netaccess
Is that possible?
I currently have no internet access on my tmobile plan but if I use the Wi-FI will it be charging on my phone bill?
Nah; My phones not even actiev yet and I'm able to use it via wifi
if you're concerned about it just disable your phone,
i work in one of t-mobs call centers atm and i havn't seen that come acrossed as an issue yet so i'd say you'r good,
Wifi is completely seperate from your phones radio which connects to the phone company. So you can use it anywhere it is offered freely, free of charge.
only reason you would be charged is if the wifi signals weak enough that it drops and your phone connects to GPRS or EDGE
..... this question is really .......
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I currently have no internet access on my tmobile plan but if I use the Wi-FI will it be charging on my phone bill?
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Yes it won't charge you on the phone bill, but you may have to pay for WIFI access, depends on which hot-spot you're connecting to
Ok, so I called the AT&T dorks at their "Business Center" and this question:
"Can I use the WiFi from my own personal wireless router on my phone? If I do, do I have to pay for it? I ask because there is no reason that I should be paying for internet 2x."
The response:
"If you access the internet on your phone regardless if it is WiFi or if it is over the AT&T network, you will be charged for it if you do not have a Data Plan."
Is this correct? I mean, if I turn off the "phone" on my phone, will it still charge me? Can anyone tell me if there is a way to get around this garbage? I would like to use the WiFi on my phone, but I don't really want to pay the 50 cents a Kb or whatever for it. Thanks for the help!
They do rip u off ALLL the time, that the same question I thought of when I was getting my tilt. but tell u what, start using UR phones wifi and if they charge u for data , U can sue them for extortion. Call them now and tell them to disable data connection and start using ur WIFI.
such a RIP OFF att is sometimes.
Yea, using Wifi has nothing to do with ATT. If you connect to your router, and you don't see the little E or G or 3G icons, then your NOT using any data from ATT. - they can see your data usage as it is sent from your router to your phone.
Your fine.
^ yep, you will NOT incur any fees/charges from AT&T for using wi-fi.
Oh boy if they had told me that I think I would have been crying with laughter.. Yeah man you can take your sim card out and wifi... Stupid at&t, you should call them back and say something about that.
AT&T, like any other large corporation, does have its share of idiots working there. You managed to talk to one...lol
Great
Thanks for the help, guys, I thought I was just going to get ripped off. Appreciate it greatly!
There is no way for them to tell if you're online on your phone if you're not connecting through MediaNet. Trust me, I bought a wireless router a couple years ago just so I could browse the net on my phone. They can't tell. Just go into Settings, Connections tab, Connections, Advanced tab, Select Networks, Adjust both dialog boxes to anything but MediaNet. That fixes that. I called them and asked the same question just like the next man a few years ago & got the same answer. It all depends on who you talk to. If you can get someone on the phone that has a similar device that you do, they'll know better. Trust me, been surfing wirelessly for years now with absolutely no fluctuation. If I'm not connecting through thier servers, then how would they know?
They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.
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They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.
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If that is the case and you are 100% sure that you werent streaming data via edge/3G, take it to court. They WILL loose. Period.
You do NOT have to have a Sim card in the phone to use the WiFi via a Wireless Router. Your device will get online and surf without it ( the sim ). If they charged you for using your OWN Wifi and you let them charge you, then the yolk is on you.
For all of the other posters, I will tell you a Simple way to make sure you dont dial out and accidentally catch onto a 3G / Edge network.
Just DELETE The damn Medianet / MyISP settings inside of network connections. Make sure it is 100% empty and void of any and all other connection types. Also, Make sure you take your phone OFF of THEIR proxy. Doing this will 100% prevent them from even knowing that you are using the phone at all with data.... as this is their only means of tracking the data usage on the phone.... ( Research the word Proxy and you will be all the more wiser )
Good luck and I hope I have helped some of you!
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My father was given my old hermes when I got the kaiser. He is too cheap to buy a data plan however has wifi in his house as well as his office ( Both of which I set up ) and has absolutely no problems with ATT. They have NO IDEA he is using the phone with his own Wifi.
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They will charge you, dont listen to the people that dont know, they just THINK that they cant charge you, but they have not talked to any reps like you and I. And I did get a $119 for using my wifi, and when I called I was told that wifi is not free if I dont have a pda package. Also I have a No Data installed on my phone to ensure I do not use up any data services except for wifi.
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There is absolutely no reason why they would have charged you if you were actually using just wi-fi. I have no data package and I only use wi-fi and I have never been charged for it. I havent even deleted the media-net connection or 3G connection...just be smart and pay attention to your title bar and it will tell you where your internets coming from...Hope this helps,
-John
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There is absolutely no reason why they would have charged you if you were actually using just wi-fi. I have no data package and I only use wi-fi and I have never been charged for it. I havent even deleted the media-net connection or 3G connection...just be smart and pay attention to your title bar and it will tell you where your internets coming from...Hope this helps,
-John
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Exactly. He more than likely was streaming via Edge and didnt know it.
This might be a silly question, but does anyone know if the G1 will be able to access the web if you live in an area where 3G is not available yet? I live north of Los Angeles (who has 3G) in Bakersfield and we don't have it yet. I am hoping that I was not an idiot to preorder the phone and then not be able to use all the cool web features.
Thanks in advance,
Jamie
it should still work on the EDGE network
From my understanding it will work with GPRS, Edge, and 3g so you shouldn't have any problems bro by the way I understand the concern.
With a 1150ma battery, GPS, "big" screen etc, 3G will just drain the battery even quicker.
I will not worry about 3G until an extended battery is released- and the fact that 3G will not be in my market for a year of so.
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Hey guys i have a htc wing now, and it does not have a gps. It looks like the gps for this phone is one of the main highlights, because it uses it for a lot of applications. Does anyone know what the gps strength will be like? Will it work will in a building, it do i have the be in direct light for like ten minuites to get a signal?
Anyone with a htc device with a gps already, does it work well?
I hear the android is a-gps, so mabye it will have the ability to somewhat work well when in a pocket, or building.....
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Time for a lesson on GPS... It uses satellites in the sky, and you need a view of a certain amount of satellites to find your location (4 will find you but not very accurately, the more the better). If you're in a building, and not right next to a window, no GPS will ever find your location, ever. That's like asking if your internet will work if the ethernet cable is unplugged from the back of your computer and you don't have wifi, it goes against the entire idea of how it functions.
Now, as for the quality of the HTC GPS receiver... People have complained about GPS lag, but I maintain my opinion that it's completely software related, my Fuze had none whatsoever. You don't need to be in sunlight, just have enough clear sky that it can get a reading from the satellites. I've taken trips with the Fuze even on very cloudy days and it took a little longer to get a lock (5-10 mins, it locks in like 30 seconds to a minute with clear skies) but once it had my position, it stayed true. All of the upcoming HTC devices use A-GPS, by the way. Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia, G1...
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WHAAAT? you dont want to use 3g? lol in my opinion thats 50 percent of the phones features.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
The big thing with A-GPS is that it's mainly used to increase the startup speed of your GPS. Instead of waiting 10 minutes to download the almanac of the satellites in the sky from the GPS sats, it downloads the data over your data connection, using the basis of which cell site you're connected to for determining your rough location. This way it only takes about 30 seconds to get a fix instead of much longer.
The sensitivity of the GPS on phones has been fairly good as far as i've seen on devices like the Tilt and such, so I don't see why a phone with such a heavy emphasis on location-based apps would have a sub-par GPS setup. Here's hoping things work well.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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Thanks to one and all!!! I am looking forward to my G1 and retiring my Wing.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
haitiankid4lyf said:
3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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Exactly... But when you're without 3G, I guess you try to justify why it's not as good, and that's what he came up with. It's like everything though, people on here try to justify why the iPhone isn't as good as the Diamond/Touch Pro, truth be told it's better in many aspects but comes short in many as well.
3g data transfer?
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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I choose D... all of the above
No... it will not work out of the box.
Yes/maybe... it should work someday soon unless HTC/T-Mobile have somehow disabled that ability in hardware.
As soon as I get the phone I will be working on it on the Linux side (not an actual internet sharing app... more of a route/iptables script) and I am sure someone will work on a java solution (although a kernel solution would be faster). There was an application for the iPhone that provided internet sharing but it was banned from apple store and Google has said they won't do that so I think it should be here soon.
problems with Wireless (3g and wifi)
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
haitiankid4lyf said:
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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I have an issue with my G1 WIFI connection. If i broadcast my SSID I connect with no problems. but if i disable the broadcast it will not connect, and this is with me manually putting in the connections into the phone.
I called TMobile but they said i needed to call HTC. they didn't have a solution.
BTW, I have no WEP enabled. I just disable the SSID broadcast.
I just connected to my Linksys router with WPA2 and had 3G running, connected no problem.
Haitiankid: try entering the details of your network manually and seeing if it will connect then. Also, as for the 3G fading in and out, are you in a week signal area for 3G?
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I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
for those of you with the 3g/edge switching problem...
Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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I don't think that's the case. I've had the same SIM card since 2000, no problems like this. If any SIM is too old to support 3G, I'd think one made 8 years ago would definitely be the case.
It sounds like he's in a bad coverage area, which could be lots of things. There is a coverage map on the T-Mo website, don't know if it shows 3G. Or it could be the building he's in. My phones have never worked at my grandmother's house. I get full bars on the front porch, and full bars the second I get out the back door, but no signal in the house itself. Even relatives on other networks get little to no coverage inside the house. Probably the really really old insulation and building materials are blocking the signal. At my last apartment I only had a good signal on the corner of my bed, and that disappeared when new neighbors moved in upstairs.
These are radio waves, which aren't foolproof or perfect, they encounter all kinds of interference. Nothings going to be as secure and consistant as a wired connection. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
haitiankid4lyf said:
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
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Careful dude, with the security set to open anyone within range (neighbors, wardrivers, etc.) can use your wifi to get on the internet. Try using WPA or WPA2 security, but leaving it all mixed and frequency at auto.