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This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
3) A forum section for Noobz... As we have seen many posts as of late with titles like "I am a noob" , "Help me...","What software is good?",etc.
I think having this forum there would attract these posts better while appease the larger community from having to entertain these even in the general forum. Which, as some have stated should be a forum for questions not releated to the other 3, and not as a place for spoonfeeding.
If you think any of these 3 suggestions is a good idea, please post your support and or ideas.
thanks
Agree, sounds like a good idea.
My other suggestion would be to migrate to mediawiki as it just works nicer and the wiki may be developed more and be easier for noobies to get through!
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
thesire said:
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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Im a noob and need help
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You mentioned "spoon fed" how do you do this? can you show me. Is it a .cab and if so how do i install.
Thank you and please don't flame me
thesire said:
good idea .. but i bet there will still be stupid posts by users who just wana be spoon fed.
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I agree.
However many of the "senior" or more educated members of the forum seem to get quite upset at these "noob" and/or redundant posts.
There are three ways to handle a post like this:
1) Ignore it
2) Flame it
3) Respond in a helpful manner
Ignoring it works, and it is something ALL OF US NEED TO DO MORE. Remember, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. (The Internet is encroaching more and more into the realm of real life...it has been shown more than once that bullying someone on line can have legal consequences in real life.). However, ignoring posts won't make them go away either, as there will be more since nothing is being done to educate the user or point future users in the right direction.
Flaming it serves no one any good. Stupid users won't learn, and if flaming makes you feel better, just remember you are taking up just as much (or more) of the forum resources and wasting just as much time flaming a worthless or uneducated post. Remember, fighting on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded (no offense meant to the special olympics, or mentally challenged individuals...I have just always found this statement funny...and true).
Responding in a helpful manner should be the way to go if you choose not to ignore it. But, a helpful manner does not mean spoon feeding. Remember, "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime." Proactive responses such as sticky's and announcments do the most to this effect.
As a "forum" in the classical sense, this should be a place for thought and discussion. However, it is also a gathering place for the masses. The leaders of the society should strive to educate and elucidate. However this can't be done on an individual level for every single post.
No man is an island either and to be part of the greater continent that is XDA-DEVELOPERS they need to have a modicum of intellect insofar that they know how to navigate an internet site.
I would feel better knowing that we have made ALL the resources available to the masses. This way we don't need to feel bad about ignoring any posts that we deem are ignorant.
I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
bengalih said:
This is a request to all uses and moderators.
I would like to see three things.
1) Sticky's/Announcements in Kaiser General to the FAQ/GWENI/ETC. Currently these are listed in ROM development and not intuitive for a new user to find.
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As stated to you before but I'm stating so that more people can see it, I completely agree with this.
2) A guide for NOOBZ - while the above are invaluable resources, they don't address very basic issues. Things like:
How do I use activesync to install a CAB?
How do I do a basic registry edit
Where can I look for good software for x, y, and z
What does ROM, CID, SIM, XML mean...in general a Glossary
other basic tasks/information
I don't have the bandwidth to create such a guide right now, but if someone would like to volunteer, particularly a user who has gone through a noob to more experienced level using this site and is aware of the issues and pitfalls. It would be much appreciated...
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Also as you know, I have gone from newb to somewhat experienced almost solely through this site and I'll work on the bold part above this week and weekend. Here is my 1st attempt at it though.
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I'm sure you have all heard the old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
Rather than attempt to dispel "NOOB" queries by means such as WIKIs,FAQs and the like which clearly have proven futile, it would make more sense to come up with a method of allowing such queries in a manner that doesn't encroach on the sense of ownership of the forum that seems to prevail amongst the senior members.
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I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
We have a new idea...the noob forum. This is in addition to refining the current methods to possibly make them more effective.
What would your method be?
I also don't feel that the senior's assume a sense of ownership. Except to the effect that without them there would be no resources and thus this site wouldn't exist and thus be visited by noobz. I think the sense is more of outrage or incredulity the same as any member of a community would have when it accumulates members who have no concept of how to function in that society.
Don't you think that some people in your community might get a little offput if they had some native tribe move in and walk around naked? Performed drum circles at 2am every night? Dump on the lawns?
It is about community upkeep, and you don't have to be a senior to do it. In fact, some seniors may be counter productive. It is about being knowledgeable of your surroundings and willing to learn the rules to properly assimilate.
i love ur writing style bengalih ur posts are always so perfectly composed
I agree as well
I am not new to the forum because I have been lurking in the shadows for a while and have not posted anything as of yet but I have to totally agree with this request as I think that it is a great idea.I know that it would help me out a lot and feel that it would help others out as well.
I also just wanted to post this private message I got from a user:
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Hello I'm [name removed] and I will be the first to say that I am new to all of this but I was reading a post and u had suggested that a "noobie Forum" might be a good idea and I would have to agree.
I have just gotten an AT&T Tilt and I have spent hours on top of hours reading in the forums here and I have to say that a lot of it is very complicated for someone like me who doesn't understand ROMs and Flashing and things like that.
I have read a lot of the post and to be honest I have had several questions that I could not find anwsers too after searching and have been terrified to post my question because of the negitivity and hostility that I have read.
The problem that I am having is that I am not understanding a lot of what is being written and am not sure what I should put on my phone or how to do it correctly.I am not stupid,ignorant,nor have I not taken the time to read and search things on this forum.
I am college educated and fairly intelligent but I am not tech savy or computer savy for that matter and I don't understand a lot of what is being said.I will admit that my phone is smarter than I am but I would like to learn how to use it more effecentally and get the most out of my phone and what it can do for me.
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I hope you senior/educated members take to heart comments like this and realize that although this isn't rocket science there are still many educated individuals that don't know where to start. Even after a user RTFM (which this user apparently did some), there is obviously a gap to get them to the next level.
We have to accept that this has become a place for the PPC masses and we can either ignore the pleas for help or do something to assist in the long term.
On the flip-side to you noobs... don't get over your head. You don't buy a junker or a tuner if you're not a mechanic, and you don't try to paint the Mona Lisa if you're just a dilletante. If you are in a position where you can't understand things even after hours of research you may want to get your feet wet in something else (like a basic computer class), or you can always buy from Apple . This stuff isn't for everyone, and unfortunately nothing we do will make it so.
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I'm not sure what the point of stating this is?
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First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? Would we have noobs answering other noobs? I'm afraid we would end up with the blind leading the blind.
By that same token, if the experienced users decided to venture into the noob forum to help them....then separating the posts for the sake of not having to wade through them seems somewhat counter-productive.
Don't take any of this as a negative. I think putting together a collection of noob resources is a good idea, and creating a noob forum may be as well......I'm just trying to weigh the benefits with the potential problems it could cause.
I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. If I can find the answer in 5 minutes and you claim to have spent days, then I know you didn't search. As to the person that has read and still doesn't understand, please post. Most of the time those people come out and explain things in their question so that you can tell they actually have an understanding.
Asking a specific question about a step or a method in an educated manor is far better then say, I Are noob, what software should I install, oh and can someone literally hold my hand while I flash this rom on my phone.
If you're willing to educate yourself then it shows.
I know that I was nervous and a little scared before I flashed for the first time. I was on edge the whole time, but I knew I read over the instructions over and over.. I have read them again and again and I just don't see where the mistakes happen.
I will provide support if you need it, but you don't need it if the answer is right there, 3 posts down or if it's a well known thing.
Oh I wonder if you could keep that forum from registering in the search function.
boomermax said:
First off I began writing the previously posted comment prior to your well spoken post above.
The ownership I spoke of was reference to the few senior members that feel a need to reply to every single post by redundantly pointing out the redundancy of others.
My suggestion was to avoid the attempt of "pre-answering" all possible questions. It can't be done.
Nor is it reasonable to expect all knowledge to exist on the same level. Take the analogy of communities that you spoke of (which I agreed with up until you equated elemental levels of knowledge with pooping on one's lawn).
Within all successful communities you have an acknowledged and agreed upon division of areas of education.
In other words 1st graders don't sit in the same classroom as upperclassmates...
...nor do upperclassmates refuse to graduate.
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Agreed. Although I stand by my "pooping" comment . The fact is that all of those levels of knowledge may be perfectly acceptable in some communities, but totally unacceptable in others (ok ok, granted not too many poop on their lawns...but not that far off.).
I think you are right that we can't answer all questions, but we can try. I think if we can teach the fundamentals, and then a lower classman learns those he should be able to synthesize most of the remaining elements.
For what they can't extract from their learnings, they can ask a question on. After all, most of the info passed around here isn't new, it is synthesized and rehashed in different forms applicable to a particular issue.
I don't think we can get rid of the basic posts, the "I am a noob posts", the didn't search for this first post. But I do think putting them in another question would help.
I know it has been suggested before, and I don't know if it is possible (I have been on other forums that can do this....) But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.
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I think the idea of a noob forum sounds good, and I believe it would help separate many of the redundant posts in the general forum.......but at the same time, if those posts are separated so as not to bother the more experienced people from having to sort through them, then who is going to help them? ....
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I address this here
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I am probley the top flamer (IMO) and sometimes I flame and sometimes not. Mostly I flame people who you can honestly see from the question that they didn't look for anything. ....
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I think you are far from the worst Chumley...but as a genuine question:
Why do you feel the need to flame? Why not just ignore the post?
I am not stating this rhetorically to be preachy. I am asking to figure out how we can eliminate it.
Personally I sometimes want to flame back a flamer just for contributing something just as worthless as the original post, but I refrain.
I mean, if someone came into the ROM Development forum and posted "I am a NOOB, how can I please to update my phone!!!" I would expect and even welcome the flames there. If we have to terrify the users to know their place then that's ok...the second part of that though is we NEED TO GIVE THEM A PLACE TO PUT THEM IN! That's why I think a noob forum might help.
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But it would be great if we could limit posting to the noob forum for the first 2 weeks of someone's membership.
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But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
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But isn't that really the point that's being refused to be acknowledged?
This is the noob forum. Senior members who have already acquired the "upper" levels of knowledge are begrudgingly noticing that not every day is a day of discovery like before and are being faced with the choice of becoming teachers or finding other sources of higher knowledge.
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I'm not sure of your statement of "This is the noob forum"
Are you suggesting that either the "General" forum or XDA-developers in general is now for noobz?
I would whole-heartedly disagree with the latter. As for the former, General is not meant for noobz, it is meant for anything that doesn't fit in the other 3 forums (e.g, not about ROM development, not about an accessory, not about a specific piece of software).
I don't want to keep stressing the name of the site is "XDA-Developers." Just because it may be bombarded by power users or noobz, shouldn't diminish the function of the site. If the attitude starts to become "This is where noobz should be" then I think you are going to see some real problems. The least of which is that if you piss off the seniors, they WILL go somewhere else and this site will become meaningless.
well I suppose it comes from many things. As a child I was bullied and now I find myself in a situation of assumed power. Or, I feel that because spent the time to educate myself, through all the grulling threads, I have the right to do it. And like a drill Sergent , I will not be nice about teaching you to fish.
Man I gotta work on my rep.
I just can't keep up anymore, there seems to be a bajillion roms and new ones keep getting updated everyday.
why can't we make the rom selection process a little more simple first off with a poll
Which rom are you using?
I would also love for people to rate their roms on a simple scale, this is just an idea
stability: 1-10
Versatility: 1-10
Free Memory: MB
Innovation: 1-10
Worth the upgrade: 1-10
Swiftblade's ROM is already at v5.0/Lite.
I'm using Swiftblade v5.0 Lite and I vote for it 2 hands up!
stability: 9
Versatility: 9
Free Memory: Storage 90MB++, RAM 55MB++
Innovation: 5 (cos its lite therefore not much innovative programs)
Worth the upgrade: 10
1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
Pointless
Another pointless reply from Kukuriku.
adilkhan1214: Forget about Kukuriku, he has this problem with noob's asking questions! He forgets that when he started this kind of thing he would have asked exactly the same sort of questions.
Like the idea, hope other people take the poll as it will help out new comers quite a bit to see what everyone is using.
Keep asking the questions as there are plenty of helpful people on here, but you will come across a minority that think they own this forum and really have nothing helpful to say and will try and slam you at every oppurtunity.
By the way, I am using the SwiftBL WWE Diamond v5.0. Very smooth and stable ROM, really recommend it.
adilkhan1214 said:
I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
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The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
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The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
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I know it is subjective, and I am not going to argue over what you may think my intentions are.
It is indeed to find out what people are using and why they use it, diversity is there and I'm open to finding out where the majority of people flock to in their rom choice.
It's like me trying to find out how many Native American Indians are in Nevada and then people yelling at me and telling me to find out more about Native Americans first.
They don't add up
I've flashed my phone probably four time in the last month....
my personal subjective opinion: they don't make that big of a difference
but it's irrelevant, currently I'm trying out Dutty's 1.5 and from this poll it seems that one ROM I didn't yet try is one that a lot of people have so now I know where to head next.
I support this poll too. It's gives a quick pointer to what roms ppl are using. I find it useful in deciding what rom to try next. right now, I'm on bElite 0.97, but might take a swing at SwiftBL while I'm waiting for bElite 1.0
thanks
WE ALREADY reached 41 people polled,
I can't wait to see what it will look like in two days
walshieau said:
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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this is what i should said.
instead i took the time to post links to similar threads and tried in my (special) way to help you. and you still are complaining, you don't get it. ok......
I like the poll. A rom that is popular and have many votes is probably not bad.
When had a Trinity I used to check the poll to see which rom most people used, and flash that.
To be honest. At the moment i don't see the advantage of using one the custom ROMS.
The new 1.93.xx official ROM works great for me.
I do appreciate all the work the developers are putting in their ROM, and i respect them for that! It's always nice to have options
So, i voted "official ROM"
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1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
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Loved your post! Right on!!!
Search, Search, Search!
Ah, wait. One last question. Which one is better?
I am too lazy to go through all the comments in the Rom, so i will just create a "Which one is better" thread
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someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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here here!
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
mkhattab said:
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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Your point is what? You want to help every poor soul not installing the wrong rom for their needs? How do you know what ppl want? Why should anyone decide for me what rom I want to flash, or even decide how I can reach my conclusion to why I should flash it.
I have read many of the ROM threads, I still flashed TLR over bElite .95 and found out it wasn't right for me. This poll doesn't tell you which rom is best, it tells you how many ppl are using the different roms. You can then make a decision to look up the rom you find interesting, and flash it if you want. E.g. I'm using bElite .97, I see there's alot of ppl using SwiftBL...hmmm, maybe I should try it out and see if I like it. I go to the SwiftBL thread, read and make a decision. This poll gives a pointer, so I don't need to study every single rom thread to find a popular rom. I still can, but now I have a choice.
Seing how many has voted, it seems that some ppl actually thinks it's a good thing.
mkhattab said:
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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i bet he doesn't. he still didn't understand that even the forum is wrong. he didn't get when i explained and he is not going to get it no matter how many ppl are going to say it.
a noob is not a noob because of the post count. i noob is anoob because his attitude towards the forum and it's members. i didn't flame and i wasn't rude. i just said my opinion and yes, i explained and helped. you might not taste my sarcasm but still, i took the time and helped. but nothing good enough....
this is laziness and selfishness at it's best. he wants all the info ready, in one place, chewed and inserted in his useless brain. bahhhh...why do i bother?
to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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perhaps helpfulness and sarcasm doesn't always mix well together?
Hello all Chefs and Rom users, I wanted to know how would you like if someone started a thread or site where they do in depth reviews on roms,chefs,and apps for htc phones? Would you find this useful and would you be willing to post your roms on a site that does this? Would you be interested in paying for adverstisement? Would you like for a donation link to be placed in your review or section on the site? Rom users, how useful do you think this site will be? I am open to all comments and questions. Thank to all in advance.
I think that would be a great idea, especially for the people who arent sure which rom they want or what they want on a rom or the people that are new to this scene. Maybe the site could include a list of things that are included in the roms. Such as does it have the latest .net compact framwork and things like that. Also it could be broken down into which roms would be best for which versions of the rhodium. Like T-mobile, at&t, sprint, verizon. And there could be a rating system letting users rate the roms. Just a few ideas to throw at you.
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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yeah i second this. The key thing about roms is that they differ in appeal for one person to the next. Most roms these days are nice and fast (certainly faster than stock) and so the additional factors may involve apps included, graphics and other features and although these are listed within the chefs thread as screenshots and lists, you only really know a rom is right for you once its in your hands and personally test-driven!
Agreed, it would be good to have an objective list of features of all current roms and comments of them in one place, however the info is already out there leaving the rest of the work up to the user!
ohyeahar said:
Someone tried one of these threads here. I don't think it was useful at all.
My suggestion to noobs is this. Rather than learn about flashing different ROMs, learn how to quickly and efficiently backup and restore your device. Once you got it all down to about 15-30minutes, you can flash every single ROM out there and see for yourself which is right for you.
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I agree... With a UC cable ROM, a PC registry editor (CeRegistry, MobileRegistryEditor) and maybe SDConfig Builder along with PIM Backup I have it automated down to about 10 minutes...
i like it
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
Not a bad idea
antdawg702 said:
as i have been flashing roms since the release of the original htc touch and have owned and flashed, hacked, and optimized just about every smartphone that has came out in america and some that havent, i consider myself a veteran and even i like to sometimes see how people feel about certain roms before trying them, i might be looking for a rom that does a specific thing very well and sometimes would like to know those strengths by reading about them first. thats just me, i dont think it would be a bad idea
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I am in the same boat I flash roms all the time, and love this forum, It would be nice to have an alternate way to read about rom,chefs,apps,Htc phones,rumors.
Something that goes more in depth.
not a social networking site
geejayoh said:
Why have a thread, wasn't he talking about a site akin to having a profile, like some kind of social networking site where each chef is regitered and releases their ROMS there?
ROMS can be reviewed, i.e. comments , requests etc
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I am talking about a site,not really a social networking site, because that will just grow too huge and make it hard for some users to be able to get the info they are looking for. I am thinking more like a blog. Where you can search info and find different articles. There would be polls on roms. The rom may be reviewed with general info and people can leave comments. I just think it may be a way to narrow down this info for users to easily get to. Some are intimidated by huge sites. The site will have other info ,but will also lean more towards roms and chefs. The site would benefit rom users and chefs.
cant cover all roms
ohyeahar said:
I know what you mean. And I understand the intentions of everyone who starts one of these threads. But consider this:
-There are new ROM chefs popping up all the time.
-New releases of ROMs with multiple flavors are literally coming at a daily rate.
Who's going to keep track of all the chefs? Each chef may also release multiple ROMs. Who's going to keep track of all the ROM versions?
It's an impossible task, unless each chef voluntarily goes to a common thread to post about their own work. But frankly, I would rather the chef not waste their time doing that. I would rather them allocate their time to their ROM development.
Probably no one is going to argue that a review thread is a bad idea. It's a great idea in theory. But it just doesn't work in practice.
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The site would not cover all roms,but would try to cover major releases and maybe the roms of chefs who want to link there roms to the site.
Thank You
Thank You to all who participated in this poll. Anyone who have not participated yet can still participate. It seems most members would enjoy a site like this one. I have updated my signature with the latest roms I am running. Thank you all!
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Haha, this social networking site you're referring to exists. It's here at this forum! Each ROM thread is a profile. Each chef is registered here and the ROMs are released here. Users are free to review, comment, and make requests in the threads
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Reading from 40 to 400+ pages of a thread just to see what the rom is about isn't something I look forward to. I would like it if they were categorized. For example, search filters for all the roms that have sense 2.1 or all the roms that have 2.5, etc. Roms that are made specifically for a carrier would also be a nice filter. I also think a really good idea would be to make a program with the purpose of benchmarking a rom just to try and test the speed of how fast the rom really is. There are many more things that can be done. I think thewingster.com is a great example of this, but it can be taken to another level to make it much easier for users. There are many roms not posted on that site, but the popular ones are there.
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
MadBeef said:
I agree with some of the ideas here - sometimes it's just not feasible to wade through hundreds of pages ... For those who come here maybe once a week like me, this would be a good way of getting up to date quickly and maybe some of the n00b questions wouldn't happen as a result? (even I know how to get AT&T keyboard and my country doesn't have AT&T )
Maybe an extension of the current XDA wiki? And promote the wiki a bit more on the front page. The threads as they are in the forums would still serve the same basic purpose - feedback and debate etc.
The obvious question though is "who's gonna do it?" as the information would get outdated fast, and we can't expect the cooks to do it as they do enough already. And the people in the best position to do this (ie. the hardcore guys who come here every day) may not want to.
It's an interesting idea though.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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The site would have to be setup where anyone can add there own review. It takes user input to grow a site.
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Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
MadBeef said:
Yeah absolutely, but there would have to be at least some form of moderation / approval / cleanup process otherwise you will just get 500 comments that are "HAW DO I GET MY NOKIA TO DO TAHT" or "I BRICKED MY PHOEN COS I DIDNT READ" or "D/Ling NOW KAKAKA!!!!11" etc. (much like some of the threads here) And then a team has to put all this in place, keep the version numbers up-to-date, put screenshots up, etc. A news feed available via RSS would be great Remember that most cooks have at least 4 different ROMs available for each device at a time. (Manila 2.1, 2.5, Titanium, AT&T dialer, WM6.5, WM6.5.1-3 etc)
Right now there must be 20 - 30 different ROMs available just for the TP2. Someone with some level of trust would need to be in charge. To quote an old phrase, "Garbage In, Garbage Out" And it would always have to be up-to-date otherwise there is no point.
Don't get me wrong it would be good to see something like this, it's a great idea. Kinda like what would happen if there was a train wreck involving the wiki and the forum haha but I think you may be underestimating the amount of work it will take.
I've often thought it would be better to have multiple threads per ROM, one for reviews, one for bugs, one for general chat, etc. Maybe even a sub-forum for each cook or each ROM.
I dunno I never said I had the answers Just throwing ideas round
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Makes since thanks
ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)
Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!
Yet another one of these threads?!?
you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hestlen said:
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia
well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
yaboistarr said:
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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And if you want other users opinions about ROMs then go to the specific ROM threads and READ!
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
mattmarion said:
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!
@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him
I started a new thread asking for ROM suggestions that met specific criteria... no where did i ask for a ROM without issues.
I got a few suggestions (most were "I like X" and not what i was after) and then the moderator locked the thread with the answer:
Your best bet is to try a few roms and stick with the one you like best. Most of the custom roms are good but to ask for something that has no issues when they are being built off a port and not Captivate source code is a bit of a stretch. There are no promises with custom roms, that is just the way it is.
So what good is the QA section if i Can't ask which ROMs support Exchange, BT, etc. I have tried a bunch that don't but now that there are 20 or so, there must be one that fits my needs.
I don't usually call people out, but closing a thread in Q/A when there is all kinds of other stuff going on is silly.
Do we have new rules for the Q/A section? Apparently soliciting advice on specifics is offensive to some. If it was closed because people can't answer the question - then you are punishing the OP.
I am a mod on other sites, and i am surprised this thread was closed with such impunity.
I guess this thread will be closed or deleted soon too. But thanks for reading.
alphadog00 said:
I started a new thread asking for ROM suggestions that met specific criteria... no where did i ask for a ROM without issues.
I got a few suggestions (most were "I like X" and not what i was after) and then the moderator locked the thread with the answer:
Your best bet is to try a few roms and stick with the one you like best. Most of the custom roms are good but to ask for something that has no issues when they are being built off a port and not Captivate source code is a bit of a stretch. There are no promises with custom roms, that is just the way it is.
So what good is the QA section if i Can't ask which ROMs support Exchange, BT, etc. I have tried a bunch that don't but now that there are 20 or so, there must be one that fits my needs.
I don't usually call people out, but closing a thread in Q/A when there is all kinds of other stuff going on is silly.
Do we have new rules for the Q/A section? Apparently soliciting advice on specifics is offensive to some. If it was closed because people can't answer the question - then you are punishing the OP.
I am a mod on other sites, and i am surprised this thread was closed with such impunity.
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1. All ROMs may not work the same on all hardware. So try them out to find out which suits u best.
2. If u have any issues, ask in the ROM specific thread preferably.
3. Read the ROM thread. Generally in the OP or in a post or two that follow, all the things included in the ROM are listed, along with anything that doesn't work. That should take care of u knowing if the ROM u r looking at has it or not.
Last but not the least, people may not always appreciate a question for which answer is easily search-able, or has been answered already many times, or are present in the ROM thread on page 1. Literally every rom today has the OP or the post following that details what all the ROM has, and where it fails.
I understand the op's concern as he was asking about some specific features which, although important to many users, are usually not addressed in the rom op.
You happen to be a casualty of the war against "which rom is best" posts.
Feel free to start a thread questioning when we will see gingerbread, or speculating on why we have yet to receive froyo though. Those appear much more frequently and are allowed to blossom into flame fests.
newter55 said:
I understand the op's concern as he was asking about some specific features which, although important to many users, are usually not addressed in the rom op.
You happen to be a casualty of the war against "which rom is best" posts.
Feel free to start a thread questioning when we will see gingerbread, or speculating on why we have yet to receive froyo though. Those appear much more frequently and are allowed to blossom into flame fests.
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wow, thought I was the only one who noticed that..
newter55 said:
I understand the op's concern as he was asking about some specific features which, although important to many users, are usually not addressed in the rom op.
You happen to be a casualty of the war against "which rom is best" posts.
Feel free to start a thread questioning when we will see gingerbread, or speculating on why we have yet to receive froyo though. Those appear much more frequently and are allowed to blossom into flame fests.
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Best 2 sentences I've read in a long time.
As to your issue. I agree that you should be able to ask a legitimate question like that. You're not one of those asking which is fastest or which will get me higher quad scores. I'm thinking there's probably not a great deal of people who would have tested all those options either. Like myself, I have no use for Exchange or BT or even GPS for that matter. I can speak for the parts I use, which are the google apps and other things.
I would think that if you want the most complete ROM you should stay close to stock. Right now I think there are only 2 custom ROMs built from the stock Captivate ROM, Cognition and Firefly. Firefly does use an i9000 based kernel/modem, so I don't know if that affects the functionality you're looking for.
When in doubt, just keep loading all the ROMs to test them out.......j/k terrible idea.
Well sense you wanted to call someone out, I replied to you telling why I closed it and if you are a mod on another forum you should understand about asking for info that can be searched for and found with a little research. So lets look at your requirments for a rom that is built from a port and not Captivate Source code.
1. Stable-Most roms
2. Americanized-? the local settings can be set in each rom
3. No FFC stuff- not sure what FC issuses you are talking about.
4. Good sound/voice quality-Love the sound on mine mixed with the sppedmod kernel and vodoo sound app
5. BT support (voice dial would be nice - even with vlingo) 2.2
6. Exchange Support-2.2.1
7. Decent battery- that is all on what you consider decent battery, Mine lasts 12 hours and that is good battery for me
8. 2.2 or 2.2.1-most roms are built off of 2.2.1 there are some that are 2.2
9. Good data-Speeds is what I assume you mean, that is as much carrier as rom based
all this was found with a search, which I see more and more people are not using. This is not a make my phone cool forum. For lack of a better term this is an Research & development Forum.
Might want to Look at the FAQ in the threads that have them to see if you see any issues that is a deal breaker for you.
As for your other thread that is all you were gonna get was I like this this rom or I like that one. We all understand that custom roms are a give and take deal. You want the newest Unofficial stuff then you most be willing to deal with some issues that might come up. If you want something that works 100%, 100% of the time then I would stay stock as there are no promises with custom roms
newter55 said:
I understand the op's concern as he was asking about some specific features which, although important to many users, are usually not addressed in the rom op.
You happen to be a casualty of the war against "which rom is best" posts.
Feel free to start a thread questioning when we will see gingerbread, or speculating on why we have yet to receive froyo though. Those appear much more frequently and are allowed to blossom into flame fests.
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+1
I also think more should be done about all the questions in general. Move those to q&a and start handing out warnings. This is ridiculous.
At least I am not alone.
How many ROMs are there now? For me to search every single ROM thread (including all change logs) to see if a ROM meets my specific needs is silly.
I hate when people ask "how do I flash back to stock" and this is not one of those questions. I can't type this in the search field "Rom support for 1-10" and get any meaningful hit. And many ROMs link to alternate sites, and you have to view the features there - when they are all listed.... Some don't list email support until you go to the FAQ and it says email.apk was removed.
Again, I am not a newb looking for sympathy - I just want some equality in the heavy hammer. Next time I will title my thread "when will we see gingerbread" and all will be good.
boborone said:
+1
I also think more should be done about all the questions in general. Move those to q&a and start handing out warnings. This is ridiculous.
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So you think that If a question is posted that can be found with a simple search that a warning should be handed out?
I understand that the Captivate is for alot of people their first smartphone, and can be overwhelming, so new question threads for things that can be searched for are gonna happen.
alphadog00 said:
At least I am not alone.
How many ROMs are there now? For me to search every single ROM thread (including all change logs) to see if a ROM meets my specific needs is silly.
I hate when people ask "how do I flash back to stock" and this is not one of those questions. I can't type this in the search field "Rom support for 1-10" and get any meaningful hit. And many ROMs link to alternate sites, and you have to view the features there - when they are all listed.... Some don't list email support until you go to the FAQ and it says email.apk was removed.
Again, I am not a newb looking for sympathy - I just want some equality in the heavy hammer. Next time I will title my thread "when will we see gingerbread" and all will be good.
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I remove those threads when I see them come up. As silly as it might be that is what your gonna have to do. If you want a perfect rom your best bet is to learn to make it your self. Do you understand what "from a port" means. That means it was not made for our device and that there will be issues. The Dev try to fix them but like I said there is no 2.2 Captivate source code to build from so they do the best they can. Look I am not trying to come across rude but all these threads asking for this and that and "wtf this doesnt work" Is really starting to get on my last nerve. The only advice one can truly give is "Read, read and read some more to make sure you have all your bases covered."
I am not gonna argue the point any longer and will give this thread a few minutes for people to reply before I close it.
+1 Make your own, I did.
The time you flash all the rom's in the forum and test it out, you probably could of custom built your own to your specifications. So many roms out there, just not the flash freak like I was, too much time.