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[Q]What Do You Want In A ROM?

I'm new to this rom cooking business here so i wanted to see what everyone wanted out of a ROM. I've already made something with the help of all folks on XDA but i'm not sure if this is something i want to release because its not really any different than the roms that are already out there except its probably slower
The idea of this is for everyone to tell me what they want in a rom and maybe some advice in cooking ROMs would be nice.
My Ideas:
1. A lite ROM
2. an SPB ROM (of course you would have bought SPB mobile shell to use this)
3. A touch flo 3d rom (Just because i love itje and chalid's ROMS)

1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
3. ALL included games
4. perhaps a new panel or two
5. instant messaging
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
Just things that I would like... not sure how feasible some are, but definitely a wish list.

1. A TF3D version that is capable of handling AVRCP and A2DP correctly!!! (like daran clarkes)
2. Voip

basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)

Agreed upon the TF3D..that is deffinatly a must! IN PORTRAIT AND LANDSCAPE
ALL MS Office Apps
All Stock Apps + Additional ones from diff roms
A few new panels
Full QWERTY Keyboard
(Xperice is good, but i dont like the blackstone layout for dialer nor password screen) I like the metal brush look like the stock one had

gregnm369 said:
1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
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Are you talking about One Note? I can definitely add that back. The one i already cooked i removed that too.
3. ALL included games
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By All included games do you mean Sudoku and Bejwelled? I believe they are both shareware... Would anyone be interested in having emulators in there although they don't quite work without the WVGA fix?
4. perhaps a new panel or two
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I had originally removed panles but maybe that is another ROM i will create. One with Panels, One without plus TFL3D and one with Both.
5. instant messaging
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Any objections to Beejive? and fring?
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
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These two i have no idea how to fix but i do have a lot of free time

achmed20 said:
basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)
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Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.

Bxsteez said:
Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.
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yep! thats the one im talking about. i read that it has propper a2dp support while the manilla doesnt have. havnt had a chance to test it yet since my car radio got stolen last month
oh and plz ... if there has to be TF3D on teh ROm, DONT mod it with colors. turning the tf3d into blue is easy, but making it black aggain is kinda impossible cause i havnt found the darn skin/cab for it yet.

Hmmm well thats interesting. I was going to make it similar to itje's touch of blue but i was going to make it red but you have a valid point. I'll release those as cabs if i can find a free cab creation program.

I agree with the OP on his first suggestion;
A lite rom for each WM build, with updated drivers/tweaks and a selection of cabs for commonly used applications so we can pick and choose what we install.
I don't much like TF3D or Panels, I prefer SPB applications (low resource use and better customisation, IMHO).
Of course "tweaks and drivers" can sometimes be a matter of opinion, but as far as ROMs go I'd like any available choice to be mine. So if there's a choice between two or more Ati driver dlls, for example, to provide the ddls for download to be installed at the user's discretion.
Even an untweaked lite ROM for each WM build would be good, so we can experiment with tweaks and configuration as we see fit.

Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.

Bxsteez said:
Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.
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Panels are cool IMHO

I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.

Amplificator said:
I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.
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Agreed 100%.

I hope you make a basic tweaked rom where you can add or remove your cabs. so you can easily update de progs by uninstall the old cab and replace it with the new version.

I'm going to start working on a Lite ROM tonight when i get home. I'm going to try a performance tweak that i've done before..... Hopefully i don't brick my phone

As many of those who responded:
- TF3D
- All stock apps* (Yes, i want OneNote, i use it at work and it is great)
- All stock games*
- to be stable enough, to use for few months without worrying about flashing again..
*about stock apps and games, it is ok also to remove them from the ROM but at least provide them as cabs.

basically a FAST rom, these little devices are nice, but the small lags are quite annoying when you are in a hurry (like when you slide the keyboard to write someone s name to cal them but then you slide it back because you want to phone without the keyboard extended)

I'd agree on most points!
A great idea to start cooking
I think it would be pretty neat if you could cook a rom with all the stuff (TF3D, panels manager and so on) but make the apps uninstallable, if possible and please please please leave the tf3d in black I just love the whole stuff on may phone in black!
p.s.: did you see the ripped max 4G contacts app? its much better than the htc and windows one. I installed it today and its really smooth!
Thanks in advance!

You have a problem with the speed of the screen rotation? I haven't seen this on any of the roms i've used with the exception of my current one lol.. but i think i screwed something up.

Help installing manila...

I've been installing the new WM6.5 by Davideuck...
Is super nice and fast, but has no manila...
Sometimes i miss manila, couse is user friendly and i'm used to use it (lol).
Can somebody help me installing it? Is there a cab file or a way to do it?
PS. I've been asking twice into the rom's thread but nobody gave me answers, so i ask it here.
Thank u
Mit

I think no one has answered because manila is not available as a cab yet, should search before posting. Try Miri's V7 Premium version (7.1 coming in the morning) It has manila and titanium, so you can switch between the two.

xmsnx said:
I think no one has answered because manila is not available as a cab yet, should search before posting. Try Miri's V7 Premium version (7.1 coming in the morning) It has manila and titanium, so you can switch between the two.
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I already tryed that rom and i had some issues... That's why i want to try to install manila on Davideuck's ROM... I'll try the 7.1
tnx anyway

The problem with making Manila a cab is that it depends on a lot of other packages like Concurrence Manager, Push Internet, even Album, Audio manager etc. Without knowing what you have in your ROM it's impossible for someone else to make a working cab for you (without making cabs for all the missing packages, which is a real pain, they could conflict with what's already installed etc.). This is especially difficult given that most ROM cooks (with a notable exception of panosha and johnpatcher) aren't really collaborating and protect their ROMs so that nobody can see what and how they cooked in.
On the other hand, your current ROM is super fast exactly because it doesn't have all these packages! Of course a system is fast when it's empty. The inconvenience is the flipside of speed in this case.
In addition to that, I had Manila as a cab for one of my ROMs for testing purposes, and I have to tell you that its installation is very slow (because of the huge number of files and its sheer size). So it's extremely difficult and time-consuming to test and it's just easier to cook it in.
So I would recommend you to use a ROM with Manila if you want it.

Can anyone cook me a rom? Be happy to buy a crate of beer for someone who can?

Ok......
I bought my X1 in Taiwan, with the intention of flashing to an english rom, because i obviously haven't a clue about chinese, and english langue ones are not available here.
I've been flashing custom roms for a while, both on the X1 and on my old Wallaby and Ef's but havent found anything that ever really suits my needs.
I like the windows 6.5 roms, but WVGAfix doesnt seem to work with any of the builds despite saying it does which kinda makes all 6.5 obsolete for me because of the amount of software that doesnt work with a WVGA screen.
Which leaves 6.1. I have tried loads different 6.1 builds, but find there are certain things that always stop me wanting to keep them.
So my question is can anyone build a rom that is almost a light rom, that just has a few essential elements built in. One that might last me a couple of months, or at least until Mobile 7 is released as opposed to reflashing every few days. I have looked into cooking, but simply dont have the time with work to really get good at it. It drives me nuts having to reinstall everything and sync contacts every time i flash a new rom.
If i was going to build my own ROM i would be looking for a lite and fast 6.1 build that has to me what i would consider some essential apps cooked in.
Manilla
USB popup
Advanced config
Radio
Audio Booster
Htorch
All the finger friendly features
Xperia R3A Camera to replace the HTC camera within manilla.
MSN Push mail (not messanger)
Specifically i would really like to avoid all the things that are updated regularly, such opera, youtube, facebook, google maps etc, and all the things which would seem to me to be a waste of space / speed, such as
MP3 trimmer, panel manager and additional panels.
Basically a stripped lite Rom, with manilla and its associated features.
I have tried flashing lite roms, and installing manilla, but its a real hastle, and never gets as good a results as some of the outstanding chefs here. I can't be alone in wanting a rom like this? so i guess my last question is....is anyone up for the task or am i about to get flamed for something i should be doing myself?

ddevey said:
Ok......
I bought my X1 in Taiwan, with the intention of flashing to an english rom, because i obviously haven't a clue about chinese, and english langue ones are not available here.
I've been flashing custom roms for a while, both on the X1 and on my old Wallaby and Ef's but havent found anything that ever really suits my needs.
I like the windows 6.5 roms, but WVGAfix doesnt seem to work with any of the builds despite saying it does which kinda makes all 6.5 obsolete for me because of the amount of software that doesnt work with a WVGA screen.
Which leaves 6.1. I have tried loads different 6.1 builds, but find there are certain things that always stop me wanting to keep them.
So my question is can anyone build a rom that is almost a light rom, that just has a few essential elements built in. One that might last me a couple of months, or at least until Mobile 7 is released as opposed to reflashing every few days. I have looked into cooking, but simply dont have the time with work to really get good at it. It drives me nuts having to reinstall everything and sync contacts every time i flash a new rom.
If i was going to build my own ROM i would be looking for a lite and fast 6.1 build that has to me what i would consider some essential apps cooked in.
Manilla
USB popup
Advanced config
Radio
Audio Booster
Htorch
All the finger friendly features
Xperia R3A Camera to replace the HTC camera within manilla.
MSN Push mail (not messanger)
Specifically i would really like to avoid all the things that are updated regularly, such opera, youtube, facebook, google maps etc, and all the things which would seem to me to be a waste of space / speed, such as
MP3 trimmer, panel manager and additional panels.
Basically a stripped lite Rom, with manilla and its associated features.
I have tried flashing lite roms, and installing manilla, but its a real hastle, and never gets as good a results as some of the outstanding chefs here. I can't be alone in wanting a rom like this? so i guess my last question is....is anyone up for the task or am i about to get flamed for something i should be doing myself?
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I don't do custom rom for others but my medium rom seems to fits most of your requirement. (How can you call it a "lite" rom if you need manila that has thousands of file?)

UPS
I was just going to recommend you trying Jack's Medium

gtrab said:
UPS
I was just going to recommend you tring Jack's Medium
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hee hee, I will recommend yrs and Itje's if he is asking for 6.5.

Oddly enough i have just tried Jacks 3.6 medium rom and its very fast.....i like it......keep testing for a few days and see how it goes, but looks real good so far!!
Jack - You're right in that i suppose with manilla in it isnt a light rom, but i would define anything that goes into a light rom as something that is necessary for the operation of the phone. As windows mobile 6.1 is BUTT ugly and finger unfriendly, i would classify manilla or equivalent as something that is pretty necessary!

ddevey said:
Oddly enough i have just tried Jacks 3.6 medium rom and its very fast.....i like it......keep testing for a few days and see how it goes, but looks real good so far!!
Jack - You're right in that i suppose with manilla in it isnt a light rom, but i would define anything that goes into a light rom as something that is necessary for the operation of the phone. As windows mobile 6.1 is BUTT ugly and finger unfriendly, i would classify manilla or equivalent as something that is pretty necessary!
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I tend to think otherwise, you're right with wm6.1 being finger unfriendly. And there is lots of stuff (ie manila, spb mobile shell, eg) that can help you with that. And the choice is rather personal, something you would add later into a lite rom according to your needs.
(little remark, I'm not a manila fan so maybe a bit judged)

Is there still interest in lite ROMs?

I ask because I've been working on a superlite ROM for a few weeks, and while I'm all for the idea of having a ROM that is just a platform for doing things with the maximum of speed and the minimum of fuss, I don't know if you guys are. Judging by the ROMs being released and the ROMs that people rave about, it seems not. If it turns out that you guys are interested, I'll put more effort into developing and make it public as soon as I have something worthy of competing with the range here.
Let me know what you think.

And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?

A lite rom always is good for speed and performance an maybe even battery life. Though you have to add t3d to it, since it's the only thing that keeps me away from digging to deep into the wimo user interface, wich is so frustrating at times.

Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!

yes i like the idea too..because a lite rom is much faster than a normal and if you need something you can install it later. but in the "FULL" roms there are a lot of things that you wont use etc.
it would very nice if someone could make a lite rom from wm6.5 2303*(or higher) :$
and sorry for my english ... i am hungarian

I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.

i feel like there's plenty of TF3D roms out now, incl. lite TF3D, so a rom without TF3D would be great! i agree with your point 2- as few button presses as possible, that's why i love spb pocket plus and ms3- very customisable
i'm using norti's lite rom now, and even though it hasn't been developed in a while, it's fast, stable and dependable, just how a lite rom should be. i've customised it perfectly to my needs, and although i flash interesting roms, i always go back to nortis lite
i've tried 6.5lite roms too, and all seem slower than 6.1 lites. 6.1 is my preference until 6.5 bugs/ speed improves
as for suggestions/ what i would like;
- is it possible to use 'extendir'? if it works, performance gains could be big?
- include graphics drivers of some sort
- enable UC
- optimise some programs (like opera with ramdisc)
- speed/ memory tweaks
the lite roms of old are very sound, so i don't think it need differ much, maybe just update it when new builds are released?
As you can probably tell i'm very keen for a new lite rom! So thanks for asking opinions, and good luck with it, I look forward to it!

I would thoroughly enjoy a lite rom, please share
which build are you currently using on your rom?
mobilevu also has a lite rom, although he hasn't updated in awhile (doesn't mean it isn't good!)

JackyBoy said:
Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!
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Something I've got a severely bad habit of doing is writing a line in a post, and then editing it out with the intnetion of putting it back somehwere where it fits in better, but then forgetting to completely, and then finding myself wondering why people are contradicting what I said. I really have to stop it
Anyway, what I meant to put in my post was that my plan for the ROM is to bundle with it an installer app that installs apps in the same way that you'd maybe install components of something like MS Office or of a codec pack, where you just select the bits you want with a series of tickboxes, and the hit OK and wait ten minutes while the installer puts in everything you want. So, in its default state, the ROM would come simply with enough to do just phone, sms, and phonebook, and everything else would be an optional extra, camera and internet and the like inclusive. There'd actually be some pretty nifty advantages to doing it that way, since besides the obvious speed advantage, it'd mean that you'd be able to more-or-less customise the ROM to use whatever components you like. ie, it might all look like this:
--- Camera app
[ ] Omit
[o] Rhodium R3A cam (fastest load times)
[ ] HTC cam (slower to load, tap autofocus)
[ ] Made-up 3rd party camera app (etc)
--- Internet Browser
[ ] None
[x] Iris
[x] Opera 9.7b with onscreen keyboard
[ ] Opera 9.7b without onscreen keyboard
[x] Internet Explorer
--- Media Players
[x] None
[ ] Windows Media Player
[ ] Nitro
And so on, if that makes any sense. The other big advantage to doing it that way would be that apps wouldn't have to be bundled with the ROM, which means far less frequent ROM updates needed. Just the installer bundle app might need an update maybe once every few weeks or so, and then all's cool.
But it's all pretty much theory, curiosities, and pages of my notepad right now with only some basic rough builds knocked together, so I want to hear more thoughts from yourself and everyone else.

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I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.
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Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.

I read people discusing TF3D. If you want to built a lite rom you don't wanna put TF3D in it. i have currently wm6.5. and did som ram usage tests with home screens.
if you use TF3D the ram usage at cold start is 50% (that is very high for me)
the standard wm6.5 home is arround 36% ram usage
and if you don't use any home plugin (the old way) the ram usage is around 34%
so i suggest if its gonna be a wm6.5 lite version stick with the wm6.5 home.
And use R3 software from kovsky itself not to much from rhodium. the only things i like from fhodium are the volume control and the top bar tap that shows info. the rest isn't needed. for browser take the standard opera that comes with x1 for the zoom with volume buttons it makes zooming much easiyer. and don't put any extra software let users install there own software.
things that could be removed:
1. messenger
2. Windows live
3. widgets
4. IE
Try to not remove to much base software that makes the phone unstable and some functionalitys don't work anymore.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547502
as per the above thread it seems 6.1 is the way to go still. the screenshots i've seen of the new 6.5 builds look good with the 'ok' button at the bottom, but 6.5 seems a step back. the start menu is just horrible, and the home screen doesn't make much sense to me.
i just flashed jack's rom, it's ram usage is 26%, and 29% with mobile shell 3, which isn't bad
the installer app is an excellent idea, that would top UC

for me what i'd like in a rom is manila default (remove titanium)
with panels
thats it...
maybe latest opera 9.7b with all the links in manila fixed up ^^

Personally,
I like just basic fuctionality (usual stable base) and a choice of Touch Flo or Titanium, because at the end of the day, we can get a cab file for everything else cant we? Microsoft MyPhone for online backup/sms or PimBackup or Sprite?
Google maps, facebook, opera, clean ram, iPlayer, and even windows live, why bloat the rom with software that many people dont use?
I like windows media player, but apart from that, i like having to install only what i need to a rom. Also, specifically to the Xperia X1, why do some ROM's have finger keyboard? We have a keyboard! lol, and if the Rom is good enough, screen rotation is pretty instant.
Also, with less programs included, we can install more to the card, leaving more free space on the phone.

note sometimes if core files are removed... the .cab install file wont work
have noted some roms having issues with wlmessenger because it was removed completely...

i got 2 kind of phone.. 1 is for daily call n sms.. xperia is for multi tasking.. so, my xperia never install lite rom b4 wan..sorry..

therealreddavid said:
Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.
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I think that manila makes WM much more interesting and is a good interface to have on top of WM. I suppose when you come to releasing the rom you can release two versions, one with manila and one without manila.

@therealreddavid
no pressure(!), but how's progress on the rom going?

therealreddavid said:
And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?
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Oh and put in 'extendir' and the 3d drivers/tweaks
just STRIP EVERY THING that isnt neccesarry we can find our cabs if needed

I am big fan of lite builds! I rather have base OS on which needed apps can be added. For example I don't like TF3D that much, I am bigger fan of the Titanium interface (seems lighter too).
The ideal rom for me would consist of the base which WM has + some extra stuff like dev certs, .NET3.5, Java VM. And everything else is add-able by a CAB file.
I am eager to see the ROM you are working on!

Looking for a specific sort of ROM...

Searching appears to have failed me, but I'm looking for a up to date, optimized (recent drivers etc), Manila/Sense LACKING 6.1 ROM for the Xperia.
Could anyone provide some guidance with that? I can't really find any
EDIT: To clarify, thats a Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM without manila or sense UI

Maybe you should look at the forum? Searching specific terms won't give any good results back.. These roms basically plague the forum, i dont know how you could not find ANY
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562935
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568918
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=564028
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588882
And that's just the first page

6.1, not 6.5 I'm aware of the huge amounts of 6.5 ROMs

Bad grammar is bad
Even if there's manila/sense, you dont have to enable them.. no different tbh
check here
Touch-IT v16 with winmo 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575329
List of stock roms with link somewhere http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482

Hi,
I can maybe try to cook something like that for you... you want other apps included (youtube, facebook, etc.) or totally clean?
Do you want X1 panel manager installed? Any X1 panels?
Will post a link here if I get it cooked...
-Oobly

the stock roms aren't too bad, but i can only think of two 6.1 roms without manilla/ sense;
norti nx1i 1.04
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478022
i've used this and can recommend it
bxsteez lite 1.05
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475083
otherwise, as mentioned it could be worth trying some of the established 6.1 touchflo roms and just disable touchflo. 'pctech4u' and 'touch x' come to mind. check out the rom library, ther might be more

I am on an own-cooked ROM which I can upload for you, or anybody else.
WM6.1 build 21051, no manila, no panels, some little apps that are useful for me and some selected HTC staff like enlarge start menu, volume control, FM-radio etc
I am using it for the last 2 months and it's very fast and stable. Perfect for SPB MS users.
I cannot provide any support though. No much time. Normally you won't need any.

Typako said:
I am on an own-cooked ROM which I can upload for you, or anybody else.
WM6.1 build 21051, no manila, no panels, some little apps that are useful for me and some selected HTC staff like enlarge start menu, volume control, FM-radio etc
I am using it for the last 2 months and it's very fast and stable. Perfect for SPB MS users.
I cannot provide any support though. No much time. Normally you won't need any.
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Hey that'd be great

So, here is the dl link:
http://rapidshare.com/files/317757034/Typako_21051_r3a_v1.0_nopanel_WWE_generic.rar
Hope you enjoy it.
As everyone here says, hardspl your device first and flash at your own risk.