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Hi Folks,
just want to inform you about a news over at digitimes saying there will be an official Windows Mobile 6.6 next month. Maybe WM7 is delayed til 2011 due to that development.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100114PD216.html
same news on German news page:
http://winfuture.de/news,52805.html
The screenshots on the german page makes me think that WM6.6 is what the XDA community is used to called "6.5.3" (28xxx development path).
A big Thanks to the Chefs for the continuing great work!
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I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.
tlerner said:
I cannot belive Microsoft with all its resources cannot launch a proper mobile system. If it weren't for the cooks on this forum we'd be stuck with 'ol boring platform. This wait for WinMo 7 is turning into 'Waiting fof Godot' - and if (and when) it finally arrives it may turn out to be a dud.
It's such a shame to have a device like HD2 with all its technical advances and no platform to properly display all its goodies.
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we should all knew Microsoft is like this..
it looks like its a slightly modified 28014, there are already lots of very good ROMS with this path so we dont really have anything to get excited about i am afraid .
I'm using GRID EVO 1.8 which is very good indeed. Incidentally, I wouldnt get too excited about windows 7 either, we may find this destroys are lowly 528 cpu, we'll probably have to wait for it to be cooked into somethign useable.
Do not have big changes.....just improvement of 6.5
Anybody has idea about which com branch is going to be WM6.6?
Mobile Office 2010 came out of beta in 23518 build. So 235xx is going to be WM6.6?
so this means that new roms will be avaliable with wm6.6? and going to be slightly faster?
Keyboard is nice otherwise I don't see anything that deserving to call it 6.6 just random updates.
I think this is to be expected, really. After playing around iphone and android, you can see every part of the system is designed very well (core, system, interface, flexibility, compatibility). I read some rumors that Microsoft have to go back to the drawing board a bit in order to make wm 7 competitive. And if they can keep improving wm 6.5 or 6.6 to be as close in performance as other systems. They can take their sweet time with wm 7, and it's probably a good thing going into 2012 and onwards.
right well hopefully it runs just as good as 6.5 or better wait for windows 7 that's gonna be something completly different.
Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...
ladieslova said:
Unbelievable... This waiting for the Windows Mobile 7 is becoming a big pain... If we didn't have chefs here at the XDA, we would be still stuck with the old platforms.
I believe that Windows 6.6 is just a slight improvement from the 6.5, but we should be happy that Windows Mobile is improving step by step... I think that in this one we have a slightly faster speed and colored "checking the boxes"...
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Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...
According to Danish PC-Mag "PC World" Windows Mobile 7 will be unveiled next month at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Hope you guys can wait that long.
Regards
just to clarify, these are still rumours.
wm6.6 is what we have previously been calling 6.5.3
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Well, after the Blackstone I don't think I will buy another Windows Mobile until I see what Microsoft does with it. Everything about the iPhone just shines quality and efficiency for example, compared to ours - that's not harsh. It's just a bodge in comparison. Also given that they left us with 6.1, I would have gone mad without the chefs.
My contract runs out in June...
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oh come on thats a bit harse, whats on the iphone is very fancy the problem is there isnt a lot on it. Look, Apple from day one have had a luxury of having an OS running on spacific hardware designed to work with it, Windows mobile has essentially run on just about every configuration of hardware in the mobile market you can think of, its the same debate as the desktop market.
two different markets two different designs both very good at what they do, having a windows mobile platform running and looking like an apple is a bit too much like having your cake and eating it and expecting someone else to clean up your mess, what is unexceptable is having hardware that isnt working fully because the chipset makers wont give us the drivers (or HTC wont pay for them) thats not MS fault, MS didnt leave Touch HD users with 6.1 HTC and the networks did.
WinMo is 10 years old and showing its age... it simply can't compete any more.
The only think that keeps most users using it is not the OS itself, but some of the apps for it (Tom Tom, iGO, etc)
Clearly MS have always struggled to accept fundamentals are wrong... they like to have incremental improvements, but really don't like accepting they might have fundamental flaws.
The funtionality of WinMo is actually very good, but the UI has barely changed in the last 10 years... even less so in the last 7... very very poor. Their attempt at 'themes' was pitiful when they came out, let alone now.
MS see it as brand dilution... having someone create a new UI. Sadly, they fail to accept that if they created a high class UI, folks would be less likely to turn to SPB, or HTC to give their phone an (artificial) makeover.
I will stick with WinMo for a while though, but Android is becoming more tempting. Symbian's dead (even though it's 70% market share for open OS devices). iPhone has all the RIGHT attributes for speed and polish, but the real functionality just isn't there.
6.6...Don;t make me laugh. It's just another excuse for MS to delay WM7.
A comparison with the iphone is not fair in terms of dedicated hardware, but it is fair in terms of user experience.
The iphone just works, it's fluid, people who didn;t want or need a smartphone are jumping up and down for an iphone, sales don;t lie.
What MS is doing with WM7 has to be somthing very special indeed to get me to stick with WM and releasing a point upgrade which will change very very little from what we have access to here, is not going to cut the mustard with die hard WM fans.
WM7 has to be nothing short of groundbreaking otherwsie Smartphone manufaturers will just choose, the by then very mature and Free Android.
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So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
Hey fellow XDA-ers. I thank you for your thoughts thus far. Android is only a part of the next wave in Mobile Computing. Honestly I've found the MyTouch I owned from T-Mo too be toooooo slow and toooooo consumerish. I like a phone that has both lifestyle and professional all in its mix. This makes me a big fan of WinMo and Symbian. Seeing that Windows Mobile and Symbians *NEW* operating system both run C++ and .NET it may be much easier, practical and cooler than we think.
Yea...
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old, windows mobile is enough of that for me.
Android was developed from the ground up with modern mobile devices in mind and in my opinion anyways is the most promising mobile os on the market right now.
Gootah said:
Theoretically it should be a pretty fast and stable alternative. It would be dope, but there wouldhave to be some major UI changes for me to try it out....but maybe I'm unsure on how far Symbian has come...
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UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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So we've seen the projects to create a ROM for Android on the Rhodium... Well now that the Symbian Foundation has released their open source code I think our handy dandy developers have an even greater challenge on their hands!
Who else is interested?
For those of you interested I've included information on the source code from Symbian.org:
developer. symbian. org/wiki/index.php?title= Categorylatform_Opening&action=edit
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No need for that man. Even though Symbian has the highest exposure worldwide Android is the next wave, plus Nokia has Maemo to push as it is. Dual OS is more than enough for HTC user, such as myself. Just imagine triple boot Gen.Y where are you? LOL
just buy yourself a damn nokia ...
Android is crap i had a few device, and simbian is just fallin in darkness...
why would you want symbian? i could see android and iphone os for the apps and winmo for the customization and community support, even palm and webos... for reasons. but symbian isnt pretty, or userfriendly, customizable, or have alot of apps. its a slightly uglier version of blackberrys os. besides does it even support wvga resolutions? i think the only other os to do that is android.
... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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... what a weird discussion, I do understand to have Symbian a lot more than Android here are my point against android:
- everybody says it is open source, the core is but nothing else that is why there are so few aternative ROMS
- No real GPS software, dont even star to compare with solutions available on Symbian or WM
- No tethering without hack!!!!! I am dreaming here, I was about to by the Moto-Droid, when I saw that I went back to my good TP2
- Google is as close as Apple when it come to app available on its store.
a nice GUI is NOT all, and software and functions make the difference, people can complain as much as they want about the "old" WM is it so far the OS which give the more flexibility and Symbian cones just behind, use a N97 and you'll see how smooth it is.
Now this will probably lead to a troll discussion but for me trying to adapt Android to some other device or symbian is perfect for fan who want to play but not for "production" phone, and for that I clearly keep WM so far. waiting for WM7
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i've used the N97 before. in fact, I came to the TP2 from an N97. symbian is, IMO, one of the most brilliantly designed mobile OSes in existence but it's implementation on the N97 was flawed, to put it mildly. don't get me wrong--I love Symbian and the N97 but there was too much wrong for me to overlook. For one, the v. 12 firmware(and, to a lesser extent, the v. 20 firmware) was too buggy for me and the N97 was all but smooth even with theme effects turned off. This may have been remedied with more RAM and a MUCH faster CPU(OMAP 3, anyone?). For what was to be a flagship the N97 was a great disappointment.
As for Symbian on the TP2, I would wait until later in the year to see what Symbian^3 has to offer before considering porting it.
Just my $.02...
@jaekidd1012
You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
ScooterG said:
UI changes in Symbian??? Sense/TF3D makes Symbian look like a Palm M500 I'd rather any developers with free time spend it on Android.
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The Jack of Clubs said:
i would love to see sense on wvga. i hope htc isnt giving up on that. i think android has the customization of windows mobile with the app store and prettyness of iphone os. just dont expect any other os's to run. linux has a way of working on any device.
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That where I disagree. the Operating system is the base of a platform and so far Android is as stuck as the iPhone, WM offer a lot more "playability" let see if WM7 will be as good for that. the important part is also the software and Android/Google as iPhone/Apple want to control all of this so refuse software allowing tethering and have the right of life and death on any application. I HATE this,
I bought the phone, it is MINE, if I want to void the warranty it is my problem, if I want to install an illegal application in my country I take responsability and refuse that google or Apple guide me like if I was a kid, I mean look at that: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/25/nexus-censoring-swear-words/ I really can't stand that you buy a piece of equipment for so much and companies want to force you to use it there way. Plus privacy!!! GOOGLE STORES EVERYTHING YOU DO WITH YOUR (???) PHONE!!! And nobody complains, everybody loves it. a nice GUI is not enough to make a good OS, I am not even talking about the iphone and the multitasking...
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You get the point and understand.
I think most of the people are thinking of the old S40 OS which was garbage. But S60v5 which will now become the revamped Symbian^3, ^4 and ^5 will be an amazing piece of ROM and feature rich capabilities.
Because Symbian and WM are both written in Windows codes this should be a much easier project than Android. Android is great for those who want to use it but it's going to be overshadowed in years to come by Apple, Nokia and Windows.
(pending the Nokia v Apple litigation over Apple misusing patented Nokia technology)
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I was wondering why other posters were making it sound like this was the worst idea anyone's ever read...it didn't sound too bad to me, hah. S60v5 doesn't look as awful as the posts are making it seem.
I don't really care too much either way on this topic. If there was a working rom out there I'd flash to it just to tinker around with since I've never used symbian. That said, I'm more excited about android progress (Even more so about W7, fingers crossed that we aren't disappointed), and totally fine with wm6.5.3 for day to day use until my next device.
android lets you customize the look and feel as much if not more than windows mobile, supports multiple devices and different resolutions, and lets you install programs outside the app store. thats why i think its most like windows mobile. it has the bonus of looking good and having lots of apps like iphone os. which is all why im most excited about it. i think it still feels a little bare but its getting developed fast.
The last time i really liked Symbian, it was called EPOC on my good old Psion Series 5mx, it had great community and support, nowadays symbian is just a crippled platform that mostly Nokia uses. I think its too late for them to go open source, it should have happened years ago...
I just hope that WM7 will be as good as Win7 after the good old matured XP
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OP: Have you ever even used Symbian? I have, and I have to say it's the most god awful mobile OS I've ever used. I returned the Nokia I bought within a week because Symbian was truly terrible. I can't honestly imagine why anyone would want to run Symbian, by choice, when you have other options like Android, Maemo/Mer, Windows Mobile, or anything other than Symbian. I wouldn't ever want the capable developers who could port Symbian actually waste their time on such a terrible OS. Porting Symbian to the Pro2 would be a downgrade; it would be like trading in a premium, business class smartphone for a $10 feature phone. IMO, not worth it. [/my 2 cents]
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I have to agree with Dave this OS is just crap...
phr33ksho said:
I personally don't see the need for another proprietary operating system with its origins 20+ years old
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how exactly did you come up with "proprietary" idea when it was released as opensource. by the very definition it can not be proprietary.
20+ years ago? wow... you are pretty ignorant, aren't you? why don't you go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_OS before you make yourself look any more foolish.
Well after having my HD7 since launch I returned it today and went back to my HD2 running Android.
The last straw for me was using Youtube and seeing the lousy video playback..in a centered screen. WTF is that? Totally unacceptable in my book.
While I like the look of the UI, theres just something about it that got tiresome.
Real Cons for me were.
I really dislike IE.
Youtube.
Battery life.
No LED notifications.
Amount of animations to get something done.
No Google Maps.
Homescreen tiles. While pretty, because most tiles are the same color I found it confusing to quickly choose what I wanted.
Camera was a toss up. Some photos were great, some not.
I never got around to playing games on it because battery life was so bad.
Anyway you get the idea. I gave it a shot and I will be keeping an eye on it.
I hope it works out for all you others.
Good for you. I don't think you are set to be an early adopter anyway.
This OS is still in its infancy. So, I would say you guys should hold off on getting the WP7 until the next version.
I, for one LOVE this OS and I do not have any issues for the functions that I use this phone on a daily basis... Phone Call, Internet, Mails, Movies and Music. No issues what so every. I also use the camera, and if at all, thats the only only issue I have compared to the HD2. I think the camera should be improved a bit more.
Agreed
I do have to agree that the OS is still new and has some bugs to be worked out, but over all I really enjoy the HD7 and WP7. The OS is simple and for myself was ready for something a little simpler them the current OS systems out there. I have found it in some ways to be a blending of the Android and IPhone, but still remaining Windows. The camera is a little difficult and touchy to get good pics, but hey it's a phone.
I think in the months to come we will see updates from MS and they will adress some of the small issues. MS has invested alot money into the development of WP7, and feel and hope that MS will really put the resources needed to futher develope the firmware/software.
Sorry to hear that but hey it wasn't meant to be a fully loved OS by everybody.
Btw what are you going back to ? (or forward)
Personally, I am very satisfied with the OS so far and I am in a long run with Microsoft on this one. If other OSs aren't catching up in terms of speed (besides functionality) I doubt I will break away from WP7 any time soon. Me being more the music/browsing/e-mail type of guy it does perfectly what others haven't been able to reach yet.
i have to agree on some points. I do like the fact it's "speedy" but really dislike about camera (but that is not a OS issues but HTC's, i believe). considering the platform being only a few weeks (almost a month) old, it's got good start. Just as Nokia N900 when it first came out, there were issues. they will be address as time pass by. Microsoft just need a bit of support from all of us to really expand their market.
I think having Apple, Google and Microsoft in the mix will keep different inovation to come into the market.
i'm sorry for your experience but i guess no single solution will make everyone happy.
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Sorry to hear that but hey it wasn't meant to be a fully loved OS by everybody.
Btw what are you going back to ? (or forward)
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Going back to HD2 running Android.
harsaphes said:
Going back to HD2 running Android.
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would be interested to know what Android web browser has that WP7 IE does not?
speed is the same, rendering is the same, Android has a tendency to "block render" a bit more than IE on slow sites, overall same experience between the two.
Also, Youtube is an application for WP7, it is not part of WP7 so judging the OS based on a crappy app is not a fair evaluation of its capabilities.
I am usually streaming youtube vids from home while connected to my WIFI and quality is pretty decent, got a bit worse over slow 3G but don't see how it could better with Android.
guys its personal preference and if some one likes to RUN android on a machine which is not made for it.. i will rest my case....
why do u want to run android on a WM device when there are so many android device in the market...
all the best to u my friend.... and the only valid reason u had was the youtube app... which ic not even WP7 app... any way all the best..
I've considered returning my HD7 many times. What's really keeping me from returning my phone is the potential. The UI on WP7 is beautiful. If you guys try the Flux and the IMdB apps, you'll know what I mean.
I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
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I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
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+1. I'm willing to do without a few features for another month or so till the update, because this phone is fantastic. Once the updates starts taking care of more and more issues being one of the first WP7 (specifically HD7) owners will be so worth it.
I been from Nokia apple android and now the Hd7
So yeah I have had all of them Each has the goodies and the baddies
although I am more inclined towards android.. ( hope nokia ditches symbian and goes with their meego which is also linux based like android.. or just go with android )
WM7 and HD 7 is the lovable although i do agree they they to update the OS which I am hoping will be next year
Must admit thought that Microsoft has taken the best of both android and apple with WM7 so fingers crossed that the updates will sort us out
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Also, Youtube is an application for WP7, it is not part of WP7 so judging the OS based on a crappy app is not a fair evaluation of its capabilities.
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I have never owned a recent phone that Youtube video doesnt play full screen.
truffle1234 said:
why do u want to run android on a WM device when there are so many android device in the market...
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Its just to hold me over till the Nexus S comes out. I have no problem with the HD2 running Android. The size is great. I also have the N1, but prefer this form factor. And it wasnt "just" youtube. It was many things.
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Well after having my HD7 since launch I returned it today and went back to my HD2 running Android.
The last straw for me was using Youtube and seeing the lousy video playback..in a centered screen. WTF is that? Totally unacceptable in my book.
While I like the look of the UI, theres just something about it that got tiresome.
Real Cons for me were.
I really dislike IE.
Youtube.
Batter life.
No LED notifications.
Amount of animations to get something done.
No Google Maps.
Homescreen tiles. While pretty, because most tiles are the same color I found it confusing to quickly choose what I wanted.
Camera was a toss up. Some photos were great, some not.
I never got around to playing games on it because battery life was so bad.
Anyway you get the idea. I gave it a shot and I will be keeping an eye on it.
I hope it works out for all you others.
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I agree with you on many, but not all.
I took some pictures last night, and I have to say the button to use ( like a camera ) is the most annoying thing ever, the HD2 / I phone and I think many phone on screen touch button was the best, you tap it, it auto focuses and walla good pics, I took 15 pictures last night in a low light condition with flash, not one is clear, every pic came out blurry, then I realized its because i move the phone a tiny bit when attempting to press the worst button created for taking pictures.
I still have 10 days left before I can return mine, going to contemplate.
MartyLK said:
I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.
Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
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My thoughts exactly. I knew what I was getting, and what I wasn't, and I love it!
I find it a bit strange as well to go back to Android on the HDS - why not the Desire HD - same phone but actually made for Android?!
I love the new Windows Phone 7 OS, but the HTC HD7 really is a piece of s**t. Ive got to send mine away for repair already due to the power button getting stuck in, not exactly what you'd call a high end quality product. Ive had plenty of HTC phones, since the days of the XDA 1, and to be honest they have all been utter s***e. Im definately never going to buy another HTC product, I suppose thats what you get for buyin stuff that comes from China.
rob_p said:
I find it a bit strange as well to go back to Android on the HDS - why not the Desire HD - same phone but actually made for Android?!
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Because I own the HD2 and the Nexus 1...so Im using the ones I have until the Nexus S comes out, hopefully in december.
s1nn0n said:
I love the new Windows Phone 7 OS, but the HTC HD7 really is a piece of s**t. Ive got to send mine away for repair already due to the power button getting stuck in, not exactly what you'd call a high end quality product. Ive had plenty of HTC phones, since the days of the XDA 1, and to be honest they have all been utter s***e. Im definately never going to buy another HTC product, I suppose thats what you get for buyin stuff that comes from China.
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Most phones and most electronics come from China. The iPhone, designed and developed in the USA, is made in China. Most Sony phones...Japanese phones...are made in China. Pretty much any electronic equipment you own is likely made in China. HTC is a Taiwan company and is the major producer of nearly all the major phones from most companies. They made all the Palm devices prior to the Pre and Pixi...not sure who makes the Pre and Pixi now. Apple has always used Foxconn ...a Chinese company... for production of the iPhone and most, if not all, of their other products. MS used a Chinese producer for the Zunes. HTC is a similar producer. They are contracted by a number of electronics makers to produce their products. The HTC quality has always been quite good. But, until recently, that quality has nose dived a bit...for whatever reason.
My HTC HD7 is an outstanding phone. The quality is exemplary. But it took 3 other, defective, HD7s to get the good one. I feel my HD7 is like a high-class, high-end automobile in look, feel and construction.
Hi guys,
Using my HD7 for the last 5 days and until now everything runs fine
In my opinion this is an outstanding phone. Excellent quality and the new SO is very good for my use (professional and personal)
Of course some things must be corrected by MS, let's wait for the updates that all people are waiting
Now don't get me wrong here I'm not trying to start any flame wars in any way. I would just like to gather thoughts on why would someone go with WP7 when Android seems to be kicking so much ass?
Yes, I'm an Android fan, and have been from the start.
I'm a photographer, and I've had my eye on the Galaxy Tab for some time now in order to show off some of my work (mini portfolio) with clients when I'm out shooting.
Yesterday I walked into my local TMO store knowing that I was going to buy the Galaxy Tab, but I was not aware that they had a promotion going on with the Tab. Pretty much the deal was... buy a Galaxy Tab, and get a free Smart phone. I'm thinking that's cool! Turns out that the phones (Android) that were free were phones I've already owned, or pretty much didn't care for. So, the only phone left sticking out like a sore thumb was the HTC HD7.
Yeah, the phone is sexy, but it's a Windows phone, and why the hell would I want that, right? I mean, I owned the HD2, but it left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, and led me to sell it after 3 weeks. I just found it to be such a sluggish phone, Windows 6.5 was not doing it for me. Shame because it was a sexy phone as well.
Anyway, I took a chance with the HD7. I thought I'd play with it for a bit just to check out Windows new UI. I knew when picking the phone I'd sell it because I didn't want a Windows phone. I'm an ANDROID FANBOY! The money made from it would break me even for my Tab purchase. Sweet!
Guess what...? The phone is not going to sold, because I think I'm in love? I also feel like I'm cheating on my wife, or something. This phone ROCKS! Still not sure why I feel this way, but I do.
1. Phone is SEXY!
2. Love the layout of the UI.
3. It's just so damn smooth!
Yeah, it has a few I dislike...
1. Very weak Market, and what's up with the high prices?
2. Pink tint in the center of my photos when using the camera.
3. Facebook, Twitter, and browser all seem to run a bit sluggish.
I'm sure the above 2, and 3 can be fixed with an update, and 1 will grow with in time.
My only questions are...
What do I have to look forward to in the future with this phone/UI?
What can I do now?
Will WP7 have great support by Devs?
Should I say goodbye to Android?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
WS.
i will say welcome to the club my friend... and now just imagine how it will be like when WP7 will tablet PC...
Have to say I have the HD2 and HD7 and love them both in their own ways. I agree the HD2 was a pile of poo with stock rom.. so much bloatware I'm surprised it even booted up! But with an NRG rom on it just rocked! Plus it ran Android really well from SD...
My new HD7 rocks in a different way. Yes the market is a little small and pricey right now - but so was the iPhone one at the beginning....
My only gripes are not being able to LOCALLY sync with my calendar on my PCand not being able to tether it to my netbook for internet access... give me those and I would be in heaven!!
Welcome to the club!
truffle1234 said:
i will say welcome to the club my friend... and now just imagine how it will be like when WP7 will tablet PC...
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I was Android fan too, until I saw WP7 phones. Yesterday I checked them in shop (I was reading and watching many videos), but Trophy blew my mind off!!! It's awesome!!! Android really sucks, compared to WP7
Honestly, I have tried to go back to android just b.c i do like the mytouch 4g(webcam, app quality/quanity, and wi-fi calling)
But i love my hd7
the mysense and android experience seems...so boring...no matter how much you replace launchers, root it or whatever
I LOVE WP7
i just really want them to get ringtones 2011 and better applications
I also tried going back to my Android before my 30-day return window was up for my HD7, but within an hour I couldn't even stand how sluggish it was compared to my HD7.
There is no question, I am sticking with my HD7 and will probably continue with some sort of WP7 device until they come out with something better.
HD7 (WP7) works smoother than any other phone out there including iPhone and is so much sleeker than every other OS. I absolutely love it.
netflix netflix and netflix
^^^among the smoothness, plus 1000!
I still can't figure out why a 2nd gen snapdragon on the mytouch is slower than a 1st gen on HD7
GIVE ME WIFI CALLING AND BETTER CAMERA, and it will be perfect
carmeng4evr said:
I still can't figure out why a 2nd gen snapdragon on the mytouch is slower than a 1st gen on HD7
GIVE ME WIFI CALLING AND BETTER CAMERA, and it will be perfect
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How do you measure CPU performance on two different platforms? It's not like Linpack is available for WP7, is it?
Ya the experience is VERY good on the HD7! I'm an Android fan as well but REALLY am liking my WP7!
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How do you measure CPU performance on two different platforms? It's not like Linpack is available for WP7, is it?
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I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)
carmeng4evr said:
I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)
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It has nothing to do with the CPU differences.
It is OS difference.
I'm an android fan got Desire HD, Tab and HD7, HD7 UI is fantastic very smooth. Screen animations brilliant but I'm afraid that's about it.
The browsing experience on HD7 is very poor a complete let down, pants. Picture quality not good. Battery life poor. Market phew complete rubbish compared to Android and that's being very kind.
If wp wants to catch up to Android it has to improve it's market and browsing experience otherwise it will never be popular as android.
Personally I would go with WP if the browser and apps can be fixed the other things can be tolerated as the ui and animation smoothness makes up for that.
i was a great android fan starting from(G1,MYTOUCH3G,....) to(GALAXY S DEVICES) but once i bought the HD7 i was in love with it.
Just cant wait for the update (NODO) next week and the other update (MANGO) in a month or 2.
I'm never going back to ANDROID.
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Now don't get me wrong here I'm not trying to start any flame wars in any way. I would just like to gather thoughts on why would someone go with WP7 when Android seems to be kicking so much ass?
Yes, I'm an Android fan, and have been from the start.
I'm a photographer, and I've had my eye on the Galaxy Tab for some time now in order to show off some of my work (mini portfolio) with clients when I'm out shooting.
Yesterday I walked into my local TMO store knowing that I was going to buy the Galaxy Tab, but I was not aware that they had a promotion going on with the Tab. Pretty much the deal was... buy a Galaxy Tab, and get a free Smart phone. I'm thinking that's cool! Turns out that the phones (Android) that were free were phones I've already owned, or pretty much didn't care for. So, the only phone left sticking out like a sore thumb was the HTC HD7.
Yeah, the phone is sexy, but it's a Windows phone, and why the hell would I want that, right? I mean, I owned the HD2, but it left me with such a bad taste in my mouth, and led me to sell it after 3 weeks. I just found it to be such a sluggish phone, Windows 6.5 was not doing it for me. Shame because it was a sexy phone as well.
Anyway, I took a chance with the HD7. I thought I'd play with it for a bit just to check out Windows new UI. I knew when picking the phone I'd sell it because I didn't want a Windows phone. I'm an ANDROID FANBOY! The money made from it would break me even for my Tab purchase. Sweet!
Guess what...? The phone is not going to sold, because I think I'm in love? I also feel like I'm cheating on my wife, or something. This phone ROCKS! Still not sure why I feel this way, but I do.
1. Phone is SEXY!
2. Love the layout of the UI.
3. It's just so damn smooth!
Yeah, it has a few I dislike...
1. Very weak Market, and what's up with the high prices?
2. Pink tint in the center of my photos when using the camera.
3. Facebook, Twitter, and browser all seem to run a bit sluggish.
I'm sure the above 2, and 3 can be fixed with an update, and 1 will grow with in time.
My only questions are...
What do I have to look forward to in the future with this phone/UI?
What can I do now?
Will WP7 have great support by Devs?
Should I say goodbye to Android?
Thoughts?
Thanks!
WS.
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Don't expect too much goodness with WP7. The updates will be meager at best. WP7 doesn't even have voice nav like WinMo did or any Android phone does. There's a lot missing in the way of features other than voice nav too. You can't use your own ringtones or any other ringtones. You can't do multi-tasking. You can't customize the UI like in Android. Most of the lauded features don't work. Like the live tiles, mine has never seen a live tile....other than letting me know I have a certain number of emails and such. The widgets in Android do a heck of a lot better at quickly displaying events than live tiles do.
I started out liking WP7 because of the quality of the UI (smoothness and cleanness). But I lost interest in it when it was announced that common features would be almost a year away. I'm currently not using my HD7 and it's sitting waiting for an Android ROM to be developed for it. As for the HD2 you had, it makes a superb Android phone. And with the HD2, you could have a different phone as often as you like. Currently my HD2 is an HTC DesireHD, which is a purely superb Android version.
When Android is available for the HD7, it will make an outstanding upgrade from the HD2 because of the software buttons. As for WP7, it's going in the trash. I loved WinMo 6.5 Pro, but WP7 has me buggered. Don't get me wrong, I love a closed system phone like the iPhone and like MS is doing with WP7. But I need at a minimum the common features available on smartphones today.
MartyLK said:
Don't expect too much goodness with WP7. The updates will be meager at best. WP7 doesn't even have voice nav like WinMo did or any Android phone does. There's a lot missing in the way of features other than voice nav too. You can't use your own ringtones or any other ringtones. You can't do multi-tasking. You can't customize the UI like in Android. Most of the lauded features don't work. Like the live tiles, mine has never seen a live tile....other than letting me know I have a certain number of emails and such. The widgets in Android do a heck of a lot better at quickly displaying events than live tiles do.
I started out liking WP7 because of the quality of the UI (smoothness and cleanness). But I lost interest in it when it was announced that common features would be almost a year away. I'm currently not using my HD7 and it's sitting waiting for an Android ROM to be developed for it. As for the HD2 you had, it makes a superb Android phone. And with the HD2, you could have a different phone as often as you like. Currently my HD2 is an HTC DesireHD, which is a purely superb Android version.
When Android is available for the HD7, it will make an outstanding upgrade from the HD2 because of the software buttons. As for WP7, it's going in the trash. I loved WinMo 6.5 Pro, but WP7 has me buggered. Don't get me wrong, I love a closed system phone like the iPhone and like MS is doing with WP7. But I need at a minimum the common features available on smartphones today.
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your bias is so obvious. Widgets doing a better job is your opinion. I have 4 live tiles just in my main screen, without scrolling down.
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carmeng4evr said:
I have no idea what linpack is
Im just saying in day 2 day experience
the overall experience with mytouch is sluggish vs hd7 smooth(only lags with games)
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It's because the HTC Sense UI and other bloatware cause it to be sluggish that way. If it ran vanilla 2.2 it would be way faster. 2.2 on the G2 is much smoother and less laggy than the MyTouch 4G. I like HTC but I was disappointed with the compatibility with Sense UI and Android (although I think it was a great idea. It was poorly realized). But even if it ran faster it would still be plain... Vanilla. For now I'm happy with the HD7 and am looking forward to the bright future for WP7 :]. I mean if you think about it... this is 1.0 and compared to Android 1.0? phew!
2.3 Vanilla was pretty damn sexy though... but only because of the features. the UI for WP7 is my favorite from the rest.
The Fandroid comments make me laugh. I was one of the G1 day one users and there was SOO much crap said for Android. Oh it's going to fail, it's crap. Yadda Yadda. Some time later, Android became the power house that it is now. I've seen the progression of how Android grew. While it advanced to where it is now...It grew more and more boring for me. For people now jumping into the Android pool, it's amazing. But for day 1 adapters, it didn't have anything new/exciting to keep me around.
WP7 launches and of course everyone bashes, it doesn't have this, it doesn't have that. Does anyone remember Apples first iPhone launch? It wasn't amazing either, but look at it now. Yes the Kin was garbage. No one can arguee with that. Windows 6.5 may left a bad taste in people mouth with Windows Mobile OSs. But to some 6.5 was the powerhouse that they wanted and now love. People need to understand that this is Windows Phone 7 not Windows Mobile 7. New OS from the ground up.
Yes, it's lacking features, yes the market isn't strong compared to other. But people it's been out for 2 months. With the growth in developer support, devices, or support for updates, it has a chance to be a strong OS. The Xbox Live support alone makes it a big contender for games with the link to 360 users gamertags.
It comes down to time and growth. Give it till after the set of updates to then bash it. For me, Android didn't have anything to really offer me other then new handsets. Not a Blackberry fan and didn't really care for the iPhone. Never played with a Palm Pre so can't really say anything about it. I wanted something fresh and new. For me the Xbox 360 integration played a huge part in my decision, but the idea behind WP7 had me interested. So I followed it since the initial announcement to launch date in the UK to me actually playing with one in person. I'm happy with my purchase and am not looking back. Looking forward to the updates, growth, and future for WP7.
guy, i understand ppl like Android, WP7 or iOS... but i dont get those ppl who will buy a HD7 and *****ing about why it cant run android because of few missing features which we all knew will not be in till 2011....
i really feel sorry for you guys... get a life...
Here's the article: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/nokia-our-first-priority-is-beating-android/
My first thoughts were....hahahaha! In their dreams.
Open source can't be beat, simple as that. But Google do need to come up with a better strategy for implementing their OS on the devices otherwise fragmentation will drive potential customers away.
In my view WP7 is a step backwards, the UI is horrible with home being filed with tons of tiles that you have to scroll through, no real multitasking, locked down like iOS etc, and now Nokia thinks that this move will beat Android. Are they that arrogant?
I did a speed test comparison between DHD and HD7 and WP7 got its ass smacked, it loaded apps/games much slower.
They should of made a better version of N900, that was not a bad phone but could of been a monster.
Your thoughts?
The day that Nokia has dominance over Android, I will get an iphone. I currently own the 1 and only Evo 4g, rooted, stock. (wireless tether of course).
yeah i think nokia is making a bad move
lol good old nokia trying to make a comeback...
I honestly don't know who even carries Nokia phones anymore They once made really nice phones. Windows mobile or phone 7 or what ever they are calling it this year is in the same boat imo. I carried wm since the HTC 8125. And year after year I pationatly waited for ms to get it right, and they never did. It did get better in terms of reliability but I still had to reset my tilt 2 a few times a week.
I think the team up could be good for them but I could care less.
To me, It's like 2 old men in your neighborhood teaming up and thinking they are gonna take back that snow shoveling biz that they had when they were kids all the while everyone already has the youngsters down the street with their self propelled snow blowers that knock out the jobs in no time.
They pissed off most of us loyal wm folks along time ago and you know how that saying about screw me once, screw me twice goes....not gonna happen to me.
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Hmmnn, noki is not going anywhere except in your dreams
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
I like Nokias phones. My brother has the n8 and the camera is amazing! hopefully this works out and I'll get a nokia with a xenon flash
z33dev33l said:
Speaking of steps backwards hows the whole no GPU accelerated UI treating you guys? I'm loving having a homescreen that doesnt look like an iphone ripoff. Nokia has an astounding market share in the European market, they have the power to help drive WP7 much higher. Call it a step backwards if you'd like. It's nice to not have to flash a new rom at least once a week to have a functional phone.
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
Nokia wont ever beat android
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Why not??? Nokia will beat Android... Didnt u read the article?
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There it is, that's what I was waiting for.
UI is hardware accelerated on 2.3 and up, even 2.2 can have it with a minor file modification. How the no copy/paste going? Or hows the whole can't edit a email when forwarding going? When M$ bring out an update will you jump around like a little schoolgirl and call it innovation? C'mon man, the OS is seriously lacking the most important features, it's shameful.
Sure stock UIs layout is slightly like iPhones but looks nothing like it though. You see, I can make the UI looks how I want which fits my needs, not what a few guys think it should be.
Flashing ROMs has nothing to do with having a functional phone, it's only to improve it further and bring out the potential.
Nokia may help with a few sales but many longtime fans will turn around and look elsewhere for a phone to fulfill their needs.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
GnatGoSplat said:
I think Nokia partnering with Microsoft to make WP7 phones is a dumb move. Elop was quoted as saying Nokia is like being on a burning oil platform in the North Sea. So what he wants to do, is to jump onto another burning oil platform called WP7? I think it's entirely due to the fact that Elop is a former Microsoft exec!
I wasn't at all surprised, when I read an article yesterday that said investors were so upset with the news that Nokia stock price fell 14% and many Nokia employees were so upset, they used flex time and left work early.
What I think Nokia should have done, is partnered with Google and used Android. These new phones should be supplied with some kind of proprietary libraries or emulation that only works in Nokia phones to allow existing Symbian apps to run seamlessly. That way, it would provide a practical upgrade path for existing Nokia phone owners. This worked great for Apple when they went to OS X which was a completely different UNIX-based architecture, but used Rosetta to allow old PPC Mac OS apps to run. They could even market a play on words with Symbian related to symbiosis.
I just don't see how going to the smartphone platform with the least market share will help matters. WP7 has less market share than even old WinMo 6.x according to current stats.
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
Well, we all know what Vic Gundotra thinks about this...
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Your whole argument is based on the foundation that WP7 in 4 months didn't sell as much as WM did since 03? Really? Ya don't say? Their choices were either be just another fish in the android OEM pool that would have received no more attention and no more rights than any other or be THE manufacturer of WP7. Really though, why would you jump from marketing symbian to marketing some re-skinned version of android... that's like jumping from Windows ME to windows Vista. They're both buggy and both require tons of modification before they're usable. Android only sold because it was marketed by google and essentially looked like a low-end iphone for every carrier. WP7 is innovation, it currently lacks a few basic features but what it does have works and thats more than any other OS except iOS can say and honestly, who wants those hardware limitations and ugly UI?
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No, my whole argument is based on WP7 being a sales FAIL. The comparison to WM is only a point of reference, because it's generally well accepted that except for a few fanboys, nobody likes WM.
No, their choices were to use Android, a product that people actually WANT, vs WP7, a product that nobody wants. It doesn't matter how awesome or innovative you may think WP7 is, if nobody wants it, nobody's going to buy it. So if Nokia wants to make money, and unless I'm mistaken, but all companies exist to do one thing and that is make money, they should choose the platform that makes money rather than one nobody wants.
You're saying iOS has an ugly UI? Compared to WP7? Seriously? For most people I know (and according to sales figures, most people worldwide), the UI is what turned them off to WP7 and drove them to Android or iOS.
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Important features? in the 2 years I had android I can not remember a single occurrence in which I used C&P or needed to edit a forwarded email. Would it be nice? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all. The point is while android has these features most of them are haphazardly thrown together and hardly functional where what WP7 has (even though it is lacking some features) truly works without having to jump through hoops. GPU acceleration is possible apparently on 2.3 plus but due to fragmentation and other issues it isn't implemented. If you can truly say the vibrant with its impossible lag or the dodgy touchscreen on the cliq or any of the other ill built phones were functional before custom roms your much more prone to fanboyism than I. It's nice to have a phone that really works, android was a low-end alternative to the iphone, putting it on high end devices is like throwing a Chevy cavalier engine in a lambo, it just makes them look bad except to the community thats always flashing roms which frankl, I dont have the time for any more.
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lol wut?
This is basic functionality I use most days. Even if I used it monthly the whole point is that when I need it it's there, thats the power of android. You don't need all the features every day, but when you do need it its all there ready.
I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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I will take a speedy UI and no c&p over the opposite any day. No one dropped wp7 and turned to Android or IOS because of the UI. No one has used wp7 because they're a fanboy of either of the other oses and think anything else is wrong. Wp7 in its first poor iteration has a more complete feeling than any of the 30ish Android devices I've owned and that's just sad. Wp7 is small now because people fear change regardless of how much smoother the user experience is.
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Not true. The only fanboys I know are on this site. I've recently talked to many smartphone n00bs who are getting a smartphone for the first time. Just from playing with the phone in the showroom, they narrow it down to Android or iPhone. WP7 is never even considered. Some people will switch from Android to iPhone and vice versa. People on this forum excluded, I don't know anyone who has even considered going from iPhone to WP7 or Android to WP7. Even my wife, who isn't even remotely a fanboy, has no interest in WP7 simply because she doesn't like how, "it looks so plain and boring". Maybe people would love WP7 if they actually used it for awhile, but Microsoft can't even get them through the door, much less reel them in.
Wp7 needs a mascot like a bald guy in a turtleneck or a little green robot. Then it would be srsbiz.