How to make it beep-beep - Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps

Hi.
I've used 4-5 GPS apps and I couldn't find option to set a sound (in my case beeping sound) when I gain vertical speed. I wanna use my tilt like a paragliding variometer cause i can't look at the phone and enjoy the view .
So is there app that have that option or could you make one plz.
You can search on youtube to see how variometer works.
A paragliding variometer can have up to three ways of letting you know your vertical speed. Audio sound, digital readout or analog clockface. Some varios are quite basic, like the simple audio-only vario with nothing but an Off/On switch.
Let's have a quick look at each type in turn.
The audio sound indication. If you are going up faster than a pre-set value, you hear a beep-beep tone which increases in pitch the stronger the lift is. Different models have different sounds. Some of them have a sink-alarm as well, warning you with another sound that you are sinking faster than some pre-set value.
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The TyTN II is missing the hardware required
arminf said:
I've used 4-5 GPS apps and I couldn't find option to set a sound (in my case beeping sound) when I gain vertical speed. I wanna use my tilt like a paragliding variometer
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Firstly welcome to XDA-DEV arminf! I know exactly what you're after but the HTC TyTN II (and consequently also the Tilt) isn't equipped with enough hardware to be able to do that. There's no Barometric capsule to sense changes in air pressure and no accelerometer so it's no can do using just the phone. Interestingly the Tomtom Navigator version that came with my TyTN II has a setting for which units pressure is to be displayed in (but it has no way of getting that info). Maybe with future products if you let HTC know you'd like this capability included, they may listen (oh, and don't forget to ask for complete driver support while you're at it ). The Touch Pro has an accelerometer but I don't know if it's capable of sensing acceleration in the right plane and whether it can be harnessed using software for this specific purpose.

Surely it should be doable. GPS gives your 3d position, so all software has to do is give compare the positions and times of two subsequent positions to work out the vertical speed.
It should be quite simple for someone who actually has a clue how to program for Windows Mobile

Flying Kiwi said:
Firstly welcome to XDA-DEV arminf! I know exactly what you're after but the HTC TyTN II (and consequently also the Tilt) isn't equipped with enough hardware to be able to do that. There's no Barometric capsule to sense changes in air pressure and no accelerometer so it's no can do using just the phone. Interestingly the Tomtom Navigator version that came with my TyTN II has a setting for which units pressure is to be displayed in (but it has no way of getting that info). Maybe with future products if you let HTC know you'd like this capability included, they may listen (oh, and don't forget to ask for complete driver support while you're at it ). The Touch Pro has an accelerometer but I don't know if it's capable of sensing acceleration in the right plane and whether it can be harnessed using software for this specific purpose.
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Thanks
Wow you are really into variometers , and i know that Tilt doesn't have Barometric capsule, but I was trying to improvise with GPS. So i just need that beeping sound on some GPS app when I'm going up

dancj said:
Surely it should be doable. GPS gives your 3d position, so all software has to do is give compare the positions and times of two subsequent positions to work out the vertical speed.
It should be quite simple for someone who actually has a clue how to program for Windows Mobile
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Keep in ming though that the GPS inside the TILT uses a perfect sphere model for the planet (AFAIR). So it is possible that you will get a number of false posities/negatives on an extremely uneven terrain...
But yes, in principle it should work.

TyTN II hardware still not up to the task
Whats needed for the intended purpose is something that reacts instantaneously (or very close to it) and with imense accuracy to sense when it's rising or decending and at what rate. If the device is to slow or not accurate enough (and I believe relying solely on the TyTN IIs GPS would present these issues) then you'd end up flying right through the thermal and out the other side or through the ridge lift and into the rotor etc.
When I first bought my bicycle and was looking for a GPS device to go on it (before I bought my TyTN II) I was looking at Garmin pocket GPS units one of which had an aneroid capsule built in. I checked their website and this model is still being sold and this is what it says "For extra-precise climb and descent data, Edge 305 also incorporates a barometric altimeter to pinpoint changes in elevation." Having used the TyTN II's GPS with TomTom Navigator, Google Maps and Microsoft Live Mapping, and seen how it sometimes struggles with basic 2 D mapping, I definitely wouldn't trust it to be up to speed in what the OP wants - irrespective of what software is coupled up to it.

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Wish List for Tilt

I wanted to get the Nokia N95 but can't go back to non touch screen phones. So the tilt was my only choice. But after having used it for a month I wish htc would have put some more thoughts in their design. The following would have made the phone even much better:
- 3D graphics. Camera and video are a pitty to use. The qualcomm chip is more powerful than what the phone is currently providing.
- Speaker would have been better placed at the sides rather than behind. The phone can't stand on its side either so am left with placing the phone with the screen facing down. The P3300 was a joy to use. Placing the phone on any surface actually enhanced the audio playback.
- Htc would have at least provided a 3.5mm audio adapter considering the price of the phone or included a jack so people can use any earphone of their choice. The depth of the phone allows this feature to be implemented without any problem.
I love my Tytn 2, best PDA yet
Only thing I want and many others is 3D Drivers, this would then give great 3d graphics capability considering the power of that chip, provide tons better video playback with very high quality settings and should improve the camera performance all in one go
Other than that the phone for me perfect
Speaker Sucks! Headphone connector!
joe mboule said:
. . . - Speaker would have been better placed at the sides rather than behind. The phone can't stand on its side either so am left with placing the phone with the screen facing down. The P3300 was a joy to use. Placing the phone on any surface actually enhanced the audio playback.
- Htc would have at least provided a 3.5mm audio adapter considering the price of the phone or included a jack so people can use any earphone of their choice. The depth of the phone allows this feature to be implemented without any problem.
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I agree with these 2 thoughts 100%.
The speaker is very tinny, and really dumb to have on the back side. My Cingular 8125 Wizard had WAY better speakers, but even a decent mono speaker on the side would be acceptable, since we're really going to use a headset for any decent stereo sound.
Which brings us to the second point, that connecting ANY decent headphone is a pain in the arse, whether it's a 2.5 or 3.5 mm jack that the headset has.
Beaming
I wish that my Tilt could beam information like my other PDA's have in the past. I see that I have the option to beam in the software, but no "beamer" to initiate the action.
maiahsdad said:
I wish that my Tilt could beam information like my other PDA's have in the past. I see that I have the option to beam in the software, but no "beamer" to initiate the action.
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You CAN beam with the Tilt. Just through bluetooth, not infrared.
kareem9nba said:
You CAN beam with the Tilt. Just through bluetooth, not infrared.
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WAY COOL! Now... I've made the device that I want to beam information to; discoverable, and my device is discoverable. But here's the thing... I can beam information to the other device, but NO devices can beam to me for some reason. I'm using 4 devices just in case one device is in disrepair. But they all can bluetooth information to each other back and forth, and I can bluetooth information to all of them, but NONE of them can bluetooth information to me although they all discover my device when searching. I have disabled the beaming authorization in my device so that wouldn't be an issue. But SOMETHING is keeping others from beaming (bluetooth) information to me.
Any ideas?
Flash light would be nice for us blind in the dark folks.
I'd like:
1. Mass Storage Mode, the WM5 app does'nt seem to work
2. TV out
3. USB Host
4. Better Drivers
5. I'm happy with the cam, but the only niggle is with night mode, I've been getting some superb daylight pics from the phone.
shoulda came with a 2.5 m headphone jack.
I want better drivers for all the radios
This should be running LinuxArm/DebianArm/any linux distro(WM6 sucks - too much locking up)
maiahsdad said:
WAY COOL! Now... I've made the device that I want to beam information to; discoverable, and my device is discoverable. But here's the thing... I can beam information to the other device, but NO devices can beam to me for some reason. I'm using 4 devices just in case one device is in disrepair. But they all can bluetooth information to each other back and forth, and I can bluetooth information to all of them, but NONE of them can bluetooth information to me although they all discover my device when searching. I have disabled the beaming authorization in my device so that wouldn't be an issue. But SOMETHING is keeping others from beaming (bluetooth) information to me.
Any ideas?
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Under Comm manager>Settings>Bluetooth>FTP enable file sharing.
Surur
improvements
1) better keyboard
2) faster processor
3) faster graphics
4) better slide design, with the screen springs and tilts automatically
5) earphone jack redesign
6) more prominent power button
7) better GPS reception, wifi reception
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Most importantly, HTC should have given us a very fast processor. You want wishlist? this is impossible. These are just to shoot HTC on their product flaws.

Is the Kaiser right for me?

Hello,
First things first:
This is my first post here. I live in Brazil, and I work as a software developer. I have always liked technology and gadgets, and I bought my first smartphone a few years ago.
It was a Nokia N-Gage QD. I loved it, because it had a wonderful OS (Symbian S60 1st Edition). But the hardware was quite limited, with a ~100 MHz processor, 16 MB memory, used very slow MMC cards, and the main problem was the screen, which was only 176x208, 4k colors, and very low contrast. Since it was a S60 device it also had no touchscreen. It also didn't have a MP3 player.
About a year ago I decided it was time for an upgrade. A friend of mine bought a Motorola A1200i (also known as Ming). I really loved it when she showed it to me. It is quite a bit smaller than the N-Gage, has a beautiful 320x240 touchscreen, pretty decent specs (312 Mhz Intel processor, 48 Mb memory, MicroSD support), the most beautiful user interface I have ever seen, and lots of built in applications.
But it has some very serious issues, most of them because of the limited Linux OS. Since it's Linux, there are absolutely no commercial applications, the only ones available are distributed freely by Linux fans.
I started looking for a better device, and found the Kaiser. It has pretty much everything I want that my phone doesn't have: a real OS, .Net support (which is my favorite programming platform), Wifi, GPS, 3G.
I read lots and lots of reviews, news and posts about it. I am aware of the driver issues, and I have also read that the battery doesn't last long.
Well, but anyway, some questions I have:
1. Music: I listen to music almost every day on my phone. I also have an original Motorola S9 headset, which I really really like. I will keep it to use with the Kaiser too. My phone has some issues with A2DP. The pitch is a little higher than it should, and sometimes I have to reconnect to get it working. But what I really dislike is that only RealPlayer streams to A2DP devices. All other applications need a wired headset. How good is the Kaiser for music with a Bluetooth headset?
2. Texting/messaging: I also text a lot. Since my phone has no keyboard, I use a virtual one, very similar to the one found on WM. How much faster is the physical keyboard? Some people say the keys are a little hard to press, is that true? And is the keyboard good enough for moderate use or I would be better off with a Bluetooth keyboard?
3. Web: I also like to browse the web on my phone. I use Opera Mini, because I really like its features, and it synchronizes with my desktop Opera, so I can have the same bookmarks. Is Mini also the best choice on Kaiser?
4. Video: This one I wish I could use more, but I don't because the application I use doesn't stream to Bluetooth headsets. But anyway, my phone is pretty decent when it comes to video playing. I can play 320x240 XVid videos at around 25 FPS. Can the Kaiser achieve this kind of performance even without proper drivers? AFAIK WM handles A2DP streams, so in theory any application can use them. Does that mean I can watch videos with my Bluetooth headset?
5. Battery: How much does it last with real life use? I don't mind if it doesn't last very long, as long as it lasts at least a full day with heavy use. My phone lasts for around 2.5 days with light use, and listening to 3 hours of music with Bluetooth make it last a day less. But it's still good, because I only have to charge it at night.
6. Application: And how about developing applications? .Net seems almost too easy to be true. Do I really only have to compile the application on Visual Studio and install it? No 99 step building and deploying process like my old Symbian phone had?
7. Games: I don't play games that much, I don't even have any game installed on my PC, but it can be a good passtime when on the go. On my N-Gage QD I had a few games that were really good, and some emulators. Because of the limited resolution I could only play Gameboy games, but it could also emulate SNES. And there were many games I liked on the SNES. Can the Kaiser run it? How are the controls?
8. File transfer: Does it support PAN protocol, so I can browse the folders on the SD through Bluetooth? Once I saw a friend of mine doing it with a Dell X51 and it's much much better than OBEX.
I guess that's it for now. I looked for guides that would answer my questions, but didn't find any. Is there a FAQ or something?
Any help will be greatly appreciated, and I hope I can retribute if/when I buy a Kaiser myself.
Thanks!
Smaniac said:
Hello,
First things first:
This is my first post here. I live in Brazil, and I work as a software developer. I have always liked technology and gadgets, and I bought my first smartphone a few years ago.
It was a Nokia N-Gage QD. I loved it, because it had a wonderful OS (Symbian S60 1st Edition). But the hardware was quite limited, with a ~100 MHz processor, 16 MB memory, used very slow MMC cards, and the main problem was the screen, which was only 176x208, 4k colors, and very low contrast. Since it was a S60 device it also had no touchscreen. It also didn't have a MP3 player.
About a year ago I decided it was time for an upgrade. A friend of mine bought a Motorola A1200i (also known as Ming). I really loved it when she showed it to me. It is quite a bit smaller than the N-Gage, has a beautiful 320x240 touchscreen, pretty decent specs (312 Mhz Intel processor, 48 Mb memory, MicroSD support), the most beautiful user interface I have ever seen, and lots of built in applications.
But it has some very serious issues, most of them because of the limited Linux OS. Since it's Linux, there are absolutely no commercial applications, the only ones available are distributed freely by Linux fans.
I started looking for a better device, and found the Kaiser. It has pretty much everything I want that my phone doesn't have: a real OS, .Net support (which is my favorite programming platform), Wifi, GPS, 3G.
I read lots and lots of reviews, news and posts about it. I am aware of the driver issues, and I have also read that the battery doesn't last long.
Well, but anyway, some questions I have:
1. Music: I listen to music almost every day on my phone. I also have an original Motorola S9 headset, which I really really like. I will keep it to use with the Kaiser too. My phone has some issues with A2DP. The pitch is a little higher than it should, and sometimes I have to reconnect to get it working. But what I really dislike is that only RealPlayer streams to A2DP devices. All other applications need a wired headset. How good is the Kaiser for music with a Bluetooth headset?
2. Texting/messaging: I also text a lot. Since my phone has no keyboard, I use a virtual one, very similar to the one found on WM. How much faster is the physical keyboard? Some people say the keys are a little hard to press, is that true? And is the keyboard good enough for moderate use or I would be better off with a Bluetooth keyboard?
3. Web: I also like to browse the web on my phone. I use Opera Mini, because I really like its features, and it synchronizes with my desktop Opera, so I can have the same bookmarks. Is Mini also the best choice on Kaiser?
4. Video: This one I wish I could use more, but I don't because the application I use doesn't stream to Bluetooth headsets. But anyway, my phone is pretty decent when it comes to video playing. I can play 320x240 XVid videos at around 25 FPS. Can the Kaiser achieve this kind of performance even without proper drivers? AFAIK WM handles A2DP streams, so in theory any application can use them. Does that mean I can watch videos with my Bluetooth headset?
5. Battery: How much does it last with real life use? I don't mind if it doesn't last very long, as long as it lasts at least a full day with heavy use. My phone lasts for around 2.5 days with light use, and listening to 3 hours of music with Bluetooth make it last a day less. But it's still good, because I only have to charge it at night.
6. Application: And how about developing applications? .Net seems almost too easy to be true. Do I really only have to compile the application on Visual Studio and install it? No 99 step building and deploying process like my old Symbian phone had?
7. Games: I don't play games that much, I don't even have any game installed on my PC, but it can be a good passtime when on the go. On my N-Gage QD I had a few games that were really good, and some emulators. Because of the limited resolution I could only play Gameboy games, but it could also emulate SNES. And there were many games I liked on the SNES. Can the Kaiser run it? How are the controls?
8. File transfer: Does it support PAN protocol, so I can browse the folders on the SD through Bluetooth? Once I saw a friend of mine doing it with a Dell X51 and it's much much better than OBEX.
I guess that's it for now. I looked for guides that would answer my questions, but didn't find any. Is there a FAQ or something?
Any help will be greatly appreciated, and I hope I can retribute if/when I buy a Kaiser myself.
Thanks!
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Generally I'm of the opinion that the Kaiser isn't right for very many people, but to answer your questions:
1. If you have a good pair of BT headphones, listening to music on them is simple. This is true on most WM devices.
2. Biggest problem I have is that the spacebar has two sensors (clicks on left and right which you'll probably end up pressing both at once) which is a really stupid design move. On top of that, the Kaiser does not register double presses of a button (i.e. it would have written out that part as "preses of a buton") unless you type very slowly. Some people find various onscreen solutions better, but in general I find the keyboard adequate.
3. Opera Mini is the easiest to use at the moment.
4. No. And yes to your second question.
5. It will not last a day with heavy use.
6. Don't know.
7. Go to Howard Forums and search for a post on emulators by menneisyys.
8. Yes, WM supports PAN protocol.
1. Music works pretty well except for an issue where the sound stops for a fraction of a second every few minutes or so.
2. The keyboard isn't as good as it could be(especially with that weird random lag it sometimes has) but still way better than an onscreen keyboard.
3. I like Opera Mobile, but I'm too cheap to pay for it so I'm using PIE.
4. Coreplayer is supposed to release a version well suited for the Kaiser in a couple of months. It costs money though.
5. Two days in light use in an Edge area. 6 hours in an 'H' area listening to music, using google maps, surfing the internet.
6. Yes compared to other environments, writing on the compact framework is a thing of wonderous joy.
7. I've had alot of problems getting these things usable. They don't seem to be actively developing them much.
8. Don't know.
Overall it's like owning classic corvette and having to use it as a commuter car. You love it but you also can't help but hate it sometimes.
Thank you very much for your help, both of you. You pointed me in the right direction. Now I know I can expect CorePlayer 1.2 to be great. And I don't really mind paying for software, because since I earn money from it I also recognize its value. Besides, $25 will be pretty cheap considering its benefits.
2 things that got me really disappointed though seem to be keyboard and battery. About the keyboard, I will wait for the official release in Brazil next month, so I can test it. But is the battery really that bad? Maybe I can live with it, I can recharge it at work when needed, because it charges by USB from what I have read.
Anyway, I know this phone isn't perfect. There is and will never be any perfect device. But even considering its flaws, it seems to be excellent.
I wish the video driver issue was really solved though. It would make it even more attractive to everyone.
Thank you very much for your time again.
Blowfish64 said:
7. Go to Howard Forums and search for a post on emulators by menneisyys.
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Thanks for the promotion
That's no longe rneeded - in the meantime, I've migrated all my Bibles in the local Wiki (it took me SEVERAL days to do so... thousands of articles...)
See http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...s - for both games and productivity platforms
Smaniac said:
2 things that got me really disappointed though seem to be keyboard and battery. About the keyboard, I will wait for the official release in Brazil next month, so I can test it. But is the battery really that bad? Maybe I can live with it, I can recharge it at work when needed, because it charges by USB from what I have read.
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Disable 3G; then, it'll be a lot better. See my related Bible at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...(GPRS & EDGE) modes to optimize battery life! and http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...(auto-)terminate unnecessary data connections
Blowfish64 said:
1. If you have a good pair of BT headphones, listening to music on them is simple. This is true on most WM devices.
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Justa quick warning: the Kaiser uses the A2DP implementation of the MS BT stack. While it's definitely better than that of previous OS'es (WM5 - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...nes) quality: Light at the End of the Tunnel? for more info on this), it's still worse than decent A2DP implementations like those of Nokia or the dumbphones / media players of Samsung. You won't really notice the difference if you only listen to, say, disco music; with classical / folk / world music, the difference is HUGE.
That is, if you REALLY need A2DP, go for a non-WM device or get an additional, cheap A2DP source; for example the Samsung YP-T9J.
I really recommend ALL the A2DP-related articles at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...for 1. DUN and connectivity issues; 2. gaming for more info.
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Smaniac said:
8. File transfer: Does it support PAN protocol, so I can browse the folders on the SD through Bluetooth? Once I saw a friend of mine doing it with a Dell X51 and it's much much better than OBEX.
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8. Yes, WM supports PAN protocol.
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The OP seems to have confused the File Transfer Profile with PAN. They have nothing to do with each other. BT PAN can be used to transfer files - but FT is much-much better suited for this task. (BTW, PAN isn't really supported, only in server mode - see my related articles.)
Fortunately, the Kaiser, being WM6 (as opposed to earlier OS'es), supports FT - unless your particular rebrander has removed the support.
Smaniac said:
7. Games: I don't play games that much, I don't even have any game installed on my PC, but it can be a good passtime when on the go. On my N-Gage QD I had a few games that were really good, and some emulators. Because of the limited resolution I could only play Gameboy games, but it could also emulate SNES. And there were many games I liked on the SNES. Can the Kaiser run it? How are the controls?
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For emulation, currently, it's plain useless. See the emulation-related threads here.
If you want DECENT emulation capabilities, currently, your ONLY choice is the Dell Axim x50v / x51v.
Menneisyys said:
Thanks for the promotion
That's no longe rneeded - in the meantime, I've migrated all my Bibles in the local Wiki (it took me SEVERAL days to do so... thousands of articles...)
See http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...s - for both games and productivity platforms
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Nice articles, one thing that really got me interested was ScummVM. I only knew the desktop version, had no idea there was a WM version.
Menneisyys said:
Disable 3G; then, it'll be a lot better. See my related Bible at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...(GPRS & EDGE) modes to optimize battery life! and http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...(auto-)terminate unnecessary data connections
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Well, I won't be using 3G all of the time, so that might be a viable solution. Great to know there is a simple application to do that.
Menneisyys said:
Justa quick warning: the Kaiser uses the A2DP implementation of the MS BT stack. While it's definitely better than that of previous OS'es (WM5 - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...nes) quality: Light at the End of the Tunnel? for more info on this), it's still worse than decent A2DP implementations like those of Nokia or the dumbphones / media players of Samsung. You won't really notice the difference if you only listen to, say, disco music; with classical / folk / world music, the difference is HUGE.
That is, if you REALLY need A2DP, go for a non-WM device or get an additional, cheap A2DP source; for example the Samsung YP-T9J.
I really recommend ALL the A2DP-related articles at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde...for 1. DUN and connectivity issues; 2. gaming for more info.
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The main reason for me to play music on my phone is that I don't need to carry a whole different device. So buying something else just for music isn't an option. But I'll try it for myself, it will probably be better than my current Linux RealPlayer, which is really bad.
Menneisyys said:
The OP seems to have confused the File Transfer Profile with PAN. They have nothing to do with each other. BT PAN can be used to transfer files - but FT is much-much better suited for this task. (BTW, PAN isn't really supported, only in server mode - see my related articles.)
Fortunately, the Kaiser, being WM6 (as opposed to earlier OS'es), supports FT - unless your particular rebrander has removed the support.
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Yep, you are right, I meant FT, not PAN. Sorry.
Menneisyys said:
For emulation, currently, it's plain useless. See the emulation-related threads here.
If you want DECENT emulation capabilities, currently, your ONLY choice is the Dell Axim x50v / x51v.
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Emulation isn't a must for me, but it would be nice to have.
A friend of mine has a Dell x51v, and I REALLY hate it. I don't mean to offend who has one, but I just see it as a very bulky device with no kind of network connection whatsoever.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I'm starting to really like this community already.
battery isnt that bad, i get a good few hours of music over a2dp, a good few hours browsing time and ive got putty and messenger runing on the thing all the time over gprs - what i find realy kills the battery is how long you have the screen on, if i keep the screen on a lot, ill be down to mid 30%ies after a ful day - if i go a bit lighter ill still have about 50% by the time i goto bed.
the keyboard is ok - the double tap problem does bug me but ive trained myself to avoid it (mostly ) im writing this post on my kaiser, way faster than if i were to use an onscreen keyb but i have nails (and slender fingers) so i guess that makes it easier to hit the keys.
i can play transcoded (down to native 320x240) video just fine at decent fps (dont know exact framerate) - i dont notice any lag or stuttering - though im sure i wont need to transcode in the future when some drivers are released.
cant say about the audio quality over a2dp - ive never had issue with it, i actually think its quite good quality, but the loudspeaker on the back is so loud it does distort the sound quite often even if its set to a low level (sounds like its reverberating or smt)
all in all im happy with my kaiser given its few blemishes
Smaniac said:
The main reason for me to play music on my phone is that I don't need to carry a whole different device. So buying something else just for music isn't an option. But I'll try it for myself, it will probably be better than my current Linux RealPlayer, which is really bad.
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It all depends on the music genre you listen to - and also the headphones you use. Some are just horrible with the MS BT stack; this is why I'm using a different, non-Microsoft gadget (Nokia N95) as an A2DP source. WAAAY better - there is just no comparison.
Smaniac said:
Emulation isn't a must for me, but it would be nice to have.
A friend of mine has a Dell x51v, and I REALLY hate it. I don't mean to offend who has one, but I just see it as a very bulky device with no kind of network connection whatsoever.
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It indeed doesn't have a phone ("only" Wi-Fi / BT). However, if you're seriously into gaming / emulation, you will want to consider getting it - in addition to your Kaiser (it's pretty cheap now). The Kaiser is, currently, plain bad at both emulation, the touchscreen tap-and-hold CPU usage issues and the D-pad department.
fusi said:
battery isnt that bad, i get a good few hours of music over a2dp, a good few hours browsing time and ive got putty and messenger runing on the thing all the time over gprs - what i find realy kills the battery is how long you have the screen on, if i keep the screen on a lot, ill be down to mid 30%ies after a ful day - if i go a bit lighter ill still have about 50% by the time i goto bed.
the keyboard is ok - the double tap problem does bug me but ive trained myself to avoid it (mostly ) im writing this post on my kaiser, way faster than if i were to use an onscreen keyb but i have nails (and slender fingers) so i guess that makes it easier to hit the keys.
i can play transcoded (down to native 320x240) video just fine at decent fps (dont know exact framerate) - i dont notice any lag or stuttering - though im sure i wont need to transcode in the future when some drivers are released.
cant say about the audio quality over a2dp - ive never had issue with it, i actually think its quite good quality, but the loudspeaker on the back is so loud it does distort the sound quite often even if its set to a low level (sounds like its reverberating or smt)
all in all im happy with my kaiser given its few blemishes
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As I can see everything is a matter of particular use and taste. Good to know that someone is really happy with it, I hope I will be too. Thanks for the info!
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It all depends on the music genre you listen to - and also the headphones you use. Some are just horrible with the MS BT stack; this is why I'm using a different, non-Microsoft gadget (Nokia N95) as an A2DP source. WAAAY better - there is just no comparison.
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I use a Motorola S9, and I listen to a lot of different stuff (rock, pop, classical, and so on). I have tried it briefly on the Dell x51v and the quality was good, however it seems my friend was using a different BT stack. By the way, is that information correct? He told me MS one didn't support FT protocol, so he installed another one, and now it has it.
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It indeed doesn't have a phone ("only" Wi-Fi / BT). However, if you're seriously into gaming / emulation, you will want to consider getting it - in addition to your Kaiser (it's pretty cheap now). The Kaiser is, currently, plain bad at both emulation, the touchscreen tap-and-hold CPU usage issues and the D-pad department.
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I'm not really into it. I don't even play games on my PC. I only play my Nintendo Wii for a few hours a week.
Like I said it would be a nice plus, but not a requirement.
It would be nice if I could play some slow-paced games like Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy 6 though. Is it possible?
Thanks!
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The Kaiser is, currently, plain bad at both emulation, the touchscreen tap-and-hold CPU usage issues and the D-pad department.
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Menneisyys,
Do you have any reason to believe the Polaris/Cruise will be better at this?

things, that i dislike on this phone

sorry for this post, but this is the worst sp that i had till now, and i had a few already...
battery life is horrible,not even a day of normal using, if i have few more calls,emails and some browsing...
the keyboard is not ok for me, i had a vpa compact II which had a great keyboard, which gave realy good and fast response, and why are the soft keys on the qwerty keyboard under the screen more on the left side and right if i see a menu button on the screen i want to push right under it, and not to look first wheres the button exactly
if im listening to music with any application through the earphones, it makes-that the sound is at once also playing through the phone speaker, and i have to restart
not any one usable navigation software works under it ive tested: igo, tomtom, route 66...route66 is meda for devices without touchscreen and igo doesnt worked, which is normall, but tomtom works on some other devices, with fakecursor, but not here
cell phone switcher also didnt worked
it has only 64mb ram, its enough if i listen to mp3 and scroll a little bit faster through the start menu applications, and i have a lag
if someone could help with some of this stuff, i would be really lucky.
thx
i agree it is anoying that the landscape buttons are not under the text but i love the keyboard for how small it is. my battery life is amazing. I am going on two days of email/phone/text and it still has 20% left from its charge right out of the box. I havent even opened the charger yet. and no, i turned off the feature to charge when connected to pc so it doesnt use a cycle. it is faster then my tytn ii but the screen sucks in comparison. i just needed a smaller powerhouse and this is it and works for me
as for the navigation from what I read it lacks an internal antenna and will not pick up satellites anyway. again, my tytn II has gps and works great with tomtom but I also have a tomtom in my car so i never used the cell phone gps.
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i agree it is anoying that the landscape buttons are not under the text but i love the keyboard for how small it is. my battery life is amazing. I am going on two days of email/phone/text and it still has 20% left from its charge right out of the box. I havent even opened the charger yet. and no, i turned off the feature to charge when connected to pc so it doesnt use a cycle. it is faster then my tytn ii but the screen sucks in comparison. i just needed a smaller powerhouse and this is it and works for me
as for the navigation from what I read it lacks an internal antenna and will not pick up satellites anyway. again, my tytn II has gps and works great with tomtom but I also have a tomtom in my car so i never used the cell phone gps.
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im using now as navi in car my vpa, but i would like also to use the s730, cause when im in a strange town, it is not so comfortable to take two phones...
if you only use in the car then just buy a tomtom!
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if you only use in the car then just buy a tomtom!
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why should i? i want to use s730 as a navigation like other people are doing it with their smartphone, cause on their sp it is working fine...and i dont want an another device...
Battery Life: I use this all day for email communication, browsing, and phone without a problem (i'm 100% in the field for work). Note that I'm in the US, so I'm not using the 3G.
Keyboard: Keyboard is fine and is taking quite a bit of abuse from me (see above). Although, I agree that if they made a keyboard that tapped into my brain and guessed what keys I was going to hit next, wirelessly, it would be much better. I hear Motorola is working on that.
Music: I'm guessing you're using an ExtUSB adapter, or the included headphones, and you're stating that, while you're listening to music, after the connection is lost and regained with the ExtUSB headphones, you can't get the music to only come out of the headphones. It will come out of the speaker and the headphones only, until you soft reset. I had a problem that the ExtUSB plug on the included headphones wasn't hitting the piece of metal on square side of the ExtUSB port unless i pushed it in hard. After I pushed it in all the way, the metal made contact and I no longer had the "problem." The issue you're stating probably can be fixed with a call the HTC; if it, in fact, is truly an issue. Although, it makes no sense to me that this isn't simply a usage problem.
GPS Navigation: I have no problem running TomTom, or Google Maps. I tried using Route66, but it was too horrible (I couldn't look up addresses). There's always CoPilot Live 7, which looks much better than TomTom.
TomTom: TomTom is not compatible with Windows Mobile Standard/Smartphone. Therefore you can't expect it to work, ever. If it does (read last point), it's a gift. Try mapping FakeCursor with the built-in remapping feature of Windows Mobile.
Cell Phone Switcher: This not working is not the phone, the programmer just needs to update where the program gets the cell tower data from. It most likely just changed location.
RAM: I have no problem with RAM at all. I manage my tasks well, as should any user of a mobile device.
Overall, I'm dissatisfied with your arguments and the severity of your title "nothing works on this sp" is unwarranted. The only point you bring up that is actually bad, is the battery life; but, then again, that's the way it is; you know... batteries and stuff. It's very handy that HTC phones have the ability to charge via USB.
does anyone recommend a nice mobile usb charger?
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no you are not right, the headphones are correctly plugged in, there is something wrong, i dont know if i have a broken model or what, but if i make a call with headphones plugged inanad the music is playin, then after the call the music is also playin through the phone speaker.
i dont know which version of tomtom do you have. but also route 66 and ive tried:v7.0.3040.0 and 7.0.2992, on some other smartphones is the version: TomTom 6.02 working, it could also on this one. the fake cursor isnt a problem, i mapped it successfully but it just cannot simulate a click in tomtom.
so ram is ok? try to play music through coreplayer and take a photo after the phone was a few days on.
i agree with you about the title, ive changed it.
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no you are not right, the headphones are correctly plugged in, there is something wrong, i dont know if i have a broken model or what, but if i make a call with headphones plugged inanad the music is playin, then after the call the music is also playin through the phone speaker.
i dont know which version of tomtom do you have. but also route 66 and ive tried:v7.0.3040.0 and 7.0.2992, on some other smartphones is the version: TomTom 6.02 working, it could also on this one. the fake cursor isnt a problem, i mapped it successfully but it just cannot simulate a click in tomtom.
so ram is ok? try to play music through coreplayer and take a photo after the phone was a few days on.
i agree with you about the title, ive changed it.
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Headphone: I misunderstood your issue. You've attempted to reseat the headphones? If so, I'd call HTC and let them know. Issue yes... easily solvable from a software perspective... I'd assume so. Can anyone else replicate the problem? I'll try later.
Tomtom: So FakeCursor starts, you get the crosshairs... but when you hit the center directional button... it doesn't tap? You have to keep in mind that you can only "tap" in pocket pc apps, not in smartphone apps. I don't have this problem.
RAM: I don't use CorePlayer. However, I keep my tasks in check. I also soft reset daily. I never have a problem.
not any one usable navigation software works under it ive tested: igo, tomtom, route 66...route66 is meda for devices without touchscreen and igo doesnt worked, which is normall, but tomtom works on some other devices, with fakecursor, but not here
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I'm using Route 66 mobile 7 and it works very well.
I find it useful, and I don't miss TomTom 5 I used on my old Magician.
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Headphone: I misunderstood your issue. You've attempted to reseat the headphones? If so, I'd call HTC and let them know. Issue yes... easily solvable from a software perspective... I'd assume so. Can anyone else replicate the problem? I'll try later.
Tomtom: So FakeCursor starts, you get the crosshairs... but when you hit the center directional button... it doesn't tap? You have to keep in mind that you can only "tap" in pocket pc apps, not in smartphone apps. I don't have this problem.
RAM: I don't use CorePlayer. However, I keep my tasks in check. I also soft reset daily. I never have a problem.
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no reset headphones
if i have the headphones plugged in and listen tomusic through any player, and i want to call someone, i call someone and after i finish the call the music starts to play, but also through the phone speaker
yes, tomtom is a pocket pc application.
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no reset headphones
if i have the headphones plugged in and listen tomusic through any player, and i want to call someone, i call someone and after i finish the call the music starts to play, but also through the phone speaker
yes, tomtom is a pocket pc application.
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Have you tried to remove and reinsert the headphones? This does sound like a major problem, I'll attempt to replicate it today. In the meantime, call HTC.
yeaaaa... did you get TomTom to work?
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Have you tried to remove and reinsert the headphones? This does sound like a major problem, I'll attempt to replicate it today. In the meantime, call HTC.
yeaaaa... did you get TomTom to work?
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yes i have, no thanks, i will sell the phone, im not really comofortable with
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Battery Life: I use this all day for email communication, browsing, and phone without a problem (i'm 100% in the field for work). Note that I'm in the US, so I'm not using the 3G.
Keyboard: Keyboard is fine and is taking quite a bit of abuse from me (see above). Although, I agree that if they made a keyboard that tapped into my brain and guessed what keys I was going to hit next, wirelessly, it would be much better. I hear Motorola is working on that.
Music: I'm guessing you're using an ExtUSB adapter, or the included headphones, and you're stating that, while you're listening to music, after the connection is lost and regained with the ExtUSB headphones, you can't get the music to only come out of the headphones. It will come out of the speaker and the headphones only, until you soft reset. I had a problem that the ExtUSB plug on the included headphones wasn't hitting the piece of metal on square side of the ExtUSB port unless i pushed it in hard. After I pushed it in all the way, the metal made contact and I no longer had the "problem." The issue you're stating probably can be fixed with a call the HTC; if it, in fact, is truly an issue. Although, it makes no sense to me that this isn't simply a usage problem.
GPS Navigation: I have no problem running TomTom, or Google Maps. I tried using Route66, but it was too horrible (I couldn't look up addresses). There's always CoPilot Live 7, which looks much better than TomTom.
TomTom: TomTom is not compatible with Windows Mobile Standard/Smartphone. Therefore you can't expect it to work, ever. If it does (read last point), it's a gift. Try mapping FakeCursor with the built-in remapping feature of Windows Mobile.
Cell Phone Switcher: This not working is not the phone, the programmer just needs to update where the program gets the cell tower data from. It most likely just changed location.
RAM: I have no problem with RAM at all. I manage my tasks well, as should any user of a mobile device.
Overall, I'm dissatisfied with your arguments and the severity of your title "nothing works on this sp" is unwarranted. The only point you bring up that is actually bad, is the battery life; but, then again, that's the way it is; you know... batteries and stuff. It's very handy that HTC phones have the ability to charge via USB.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I could have written the above except my s730 has no gps which I don`t have any use for on a phone anyway. Ram is fine, battery is awesome for it's size and pleasently surprising. Keyboard is fine. I love the small pocketable size of this device. I'm very satisfied with it. If screen were a tad bigger it would be perfect, but then maybe not quite so pocketable...lol.....forgot to mention the RF is outstanding also.
I don't understand how you can buy a smartphone then complain that a Pocket PC application like TT6 won't work properly.
I've transferred TT5.2 from an older phone to my S730 and it works great. Probably because it's designed to?
madferret said:
I don't understand how you can buy a smartphone then complain that a Pocket PC application like TT6 won't work properly.
I've transferred TT5.2 from an older phone to my S730 and it works great. Probably because it's designed to?
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cause on other smartphones its working ,reeeead... i didnt wrote, that this sp is only terrible cause a application doesnt run on it, ive wrote more other things and just also that this applications are not runnig, whats wrong about? its my opinion, common!
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cause on other smartphones its working ,reeeead... i didnt wrote, that this sp is only terrible cause a application doesnt run on it, ive wrote more other things and just also that this applications are not runnig, whats wrong about? its my opinion, common!
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TT6 isn't supported on any Windows Mobile powered smartphone.
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TT6 isn't supported on any Windows Mobile powered smartphone.
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i knooooooooow, but some users with smartphones are runing it, and its working fine!
im sorry, that i even created a post.
holy god.

HTC Kaiser for control of a UAV

I'm planning to build an RC heli UAV, with a control and video uplink through 3G network, based on either stripped down Kaiser, or Eten Glofiish x800. I would need software that would allow Kaiser to receive commands via the internet and transform them into commands for the control surfaces of the Heli, probably via the USB port on the phone. Being able to tap into the raw data from the GPS chip on the phone would also be nice. Can someone with some tinkering experience advise me if this is feasible? Thanks.
try some BT to serial adapter and connect the controls to that serial port.
Should be way easier then using usb.
Great idea. My concern with that is adding another wireless link creates more latency and another potential point of failure. But lacking a viable USB solution, this is worth trying.
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I'm planning to build an RC heli UAV, with a control and video uplink through 3G network, based on either stripped down Kaiser, or Eten Glofiish x800. I would need software that would allow Kaiser to receive commands via the internet and transform them into commands for the control surfaces of the Heli, probably via the USB port on the phone. Being able to tap into the raw data from the GPS chip on the phone would also be nice. Can someone with some tinkering experience advise me if this is feasible? Thanks.
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As I understand it you are going to try and use the Kaiser as a remote control for a remote control helicopter? Can I come and watch the crash?
The lag time in response is going to be so large you will not be able to control the heli - you need instantaneous response that you will get with RADIO control/RF - internet and no joystick will kill the copter.
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Bill
No Bill,
I want to use Kaiser as the brains of the heli. Kaiser already has 2 built in cameras, GPS chip, status lights (for switching various components), 3G network (serving as a video and control conduit), a powerful CPU for basic video compression and autonomous logic, memory for hi-res photo storage, All of this is packed in the weight of a few dozen grams (once you strip case, screen, and keyboard), makes it a perfect platform to build a heli on.
The main issue as you correctly point out is latency. On ATT 3G network it's b/w 100 and 200 ms. This seems to be sufficient to control a remote craft, but I havent tested it, provided there is virtually no delay in other aspects of delivering commands to the controls.
Microsoft Robotics Studio is probably the best place to start...but I think that latency will become an issue. http://www.wimobot.com/
skyegalen said:
snip...but I think that latency will become an issue. http://www.wimobot.com/
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I can state catogorically - that no matter how much I love this phone and the current ROM - there are ALWAYS some "pauses" when you are using the internet - where "something" chokes and pukes.
When you are flying a remote control even a 1 second hiccup can be fatal to your craft.
I concur - I believe that latency will be the issue to overcome.
Bill
wouldn't there be a way to just add a program with no gui front in to run it. The video and everything lags it. I'm sure you could do something you have to remote into to adjust.. super simple.
I only picked Kaiser because it has 3G, 2 cameras, and GPS chip. If you can suggest an alternative HTC phone, I'd be glad to hear it (no x7500 please). Don't forget though, that the phone will not be used to render graphics on screen, which, as I think, is its main bottleneck due to missing graphics drivers. Also, it will only run programs necessary for aircraft operation, and none of the bloat that most people's phones are loaded with.
Thanks for the Wimobot link. It's very useful.
I heard the iphone 3g can get er done.
http://gizmodo.com/5016947/berkeley-group-uses-iphone-to-control-uav-squadron
Nah, they use it to control the craft. It's surprising that it has even made news. I guess its all due to the iPhone hype. If they had made iPhone the brains of their UAVs, that would be a story then.
That would work well witht that phone, from what I understand it has something inside of it to tell it when it's level and upside down.
I think what he wants is real time operation of an aircraft. That iPhone story seems to say that the iPhone was used to send coordinates to the aircraft and they aircraft did the thinking.
Are you planning on having the phone inside of the heli or using the phone to talk to the heli? I've worked with many WM 6.0 phones and ALL of them seem to go slow. What is needed is a faster processor like the Diamond or Pro will have.
iPhone has a set of built in accelorometers. Unfortunately, I think they are not sensitive enough to use them to stabilize a heli, but I have to look into that.
Yes, they used iPhone to send directions to the UAVs, which can be done with any cell phone via text messaging or EDGE, or wireless, or Bluetooth, or voice-modem, frankly, making anything that has iPhone in it a news item is getting ridiculous.
Diamond and Pro are rather on the expensive side. From my experience with Wizard and Wing, the hardware specs are not bad, it seems the bottleneck is graphics and running many applications in parallel. In my case, it would only be video transmission through a service like Qik, AI for autopilot, and commands sent to that AI through 3G or as a fallback, SMS. While it sounds resource-intensive, people have made homebrew autopilots for their planes using 8Mhz cpus.
My main concern is how to get the AI autopilot soft running on the smartphone to interface with motor and servos. So the main issue is getting a low level USB driver that would allow in/out via USB, but in analog fashion.
I would suggest making your own computer for it.
http://www.logicsupply.com/categories/mainboards/pico_itx
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...AT&T+USBConnect+881+(Refurb)&q_sku=sku1230011
Then use a thumb or sd drive with
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
Chumley,
Those things together weigh 3 times more than stripped Kaiser, and thats not counting increased power consumption.
I ended up getting a RC heli for xmas. A nice fancy one at that. Now I'm too scared to fly it and need to drop it on ebay.

Limitations on Garmin Street Pilot in WP8

Well,
First of all, I know, there is a threat of Garmin and WP7, but I have to know if actually in Windows phone 8, with nokia 820 there is a way to install custom maps in Street pilot…
I have a Samsung i9300 running a cmd10.1 v4.2.2 and the maps for Uruguay are in img format or nm2.
How there isn´t a navigator for android with support to .img maps; and the nm2 (navitel) is incompatible with Android 4.2.2, because the versions more old since 3.5 (more old supported) and 5.1.2 (the last support for nm2) freeze with Android 4.2.2. and the versions after the Navitel v7 work well but the nm2 files don´t work, is invisible for navigation (Only the maps in nm3 or 7 are supported)… I thincking to sell my phone and by a Nokia 820 or 925 but I have to know if I can put the Maps from Uruguay created by MAPEAR in the windows phone…
There is a way? I can root the Nokia phone and install some explorer to copy the maps???
Thanks for some support here…
Calen77 said:
Well,
First of all, I know, there is a threat of Garmin and WP7, but I have to know if actually in Windows phone 8, with nokia 820 there is a way to install custom maps in Street pilot…
I have a Samsung i9300 running a cmd10.1 v4.2.2 and the maps for Uruguay are in img format or nm2.
How there isn´t a navigator for android with support to .img maps; and the nm2 (navitel) is incompatible with Android 4.2.2, because the versions more old since 3.5 (more old supported) and 5.1.2 (the last support for nm2) freeze with Android 4.2.2. and the versions after the Navitel v7 work well but the nm2 files don´t work, is invisible for navigation (Only the maps in nm3 or 7 are supported)… I thincking to sell my phone and by a Nokia 820 or 925 but I have to know if I can put the Maps from Uruguay created by MAPEAR in the windows phone…
There is a way? I can root the Nokia phone and install some explorer to copy the maps???
Thanks for some support here…
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Nokia phones have free access to nokia drive, which is probably the best navigation software you can get for free. So far, it hasn't let me down. It even knows all the streets in my village hidden between hills.
mcosmin222 said:
Nokia phones have free access to nokia drive, which is probably the best navigation software you can get for free. So far, it hasn't let me down. It even knows all the streets in my village hidden between hills.
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Thanks for the answer.
I know how the Nokia drive is good, I always have Nokia phone before the i9300 ...
The only problem that is Uruguay is a small and simple country, all the softwares have maps for others country but for us...and for south america nothing is so good like the MAPEAR maps.
And i always use my phone like a GPS to make maps for all the people who works in the farm...
I use a simples software to make waypoints in gpx format and after it, in home, i open the garmin mapsource in my PC and build new trackz with that points.
With nokia i can transferência that waypoints ?
All that thing that Nokia phones are closed and lock is true ? No file manager ???
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Calen77 said:
Thanks for the answer.
I know how the Nokia drive is good, I always have Nokia phone before the i9300 ...
The only problem that is Uruguay is a small and simple country, all the softwares have maps for others country but for us...and for south america nothing is so good like the MAPEAR maps.
And i always use my phone like a GPS to make maps for all the people who works in the farm...
I use a simples software to make waypoints in gpx format and after it, in home, i open the garmin mapsource in my PC and build new trackz with that points.
With nokia i can transferência that waypoints ?
All that thing that Nokia phones are closed and lock is true ? No file manager ???
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I am pretty sure nokia drive has everything you will ever need, regardless of country.
I do not believe you can import the waypoints into it. Even if the file access was exposed, you wouldn't have been able to modify the files yourself, because the app will notice you tampered with the files and will ask for reinstall.
Hummmm...
In really there are many time that I want to by a Nokia phone, I just waiting a phone with a good procesor, 2 g of ram and a SD card slot...
But returning in the threat, I want export the waypoints for my PC and in my computer i'm going to build the maps.
With the garmin mobile xt I can do it, but with Windows 8 I don't know. If I can export the way points I'm happy.
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Not a lot of point to 2GB of RAM on WP8; very few apps use even a large portion of the available RAM on 1GB models, and apps are generally not allowed to run in the background.
I'm rapidly becoming disenchanted with Here Drive. It does the job most of the time, but it has some serious flaws too:
Its ETAs are significantly less accurate than the WP7 built-in navigation was. I suspect this is because it's not actually very good at traffic knowledge.
It really isn't very good at traffic. In fact, the built-in Bing Maps app in WP8 is still better about routing around heavy traffic than Here Drive is, even if you launch Here Drive from Bing Maps.
It is absolutely terrible about road closures. I regularly get directed down roads that have been closed for months (which Bing maps knows about, incidentally), or get directed to go the wrong way down a one-way expressway that switches directions every day on a schedule. Bing maps (and WP7) were much better about this. These is *not* some obscure city, either; in fact, I'm less than 20 miles from Microsoft headquarters.
It has once completely frozen my phone (while navigating, when I lost cellular reception in a mountain valley). Tapping the Power button didn't even turn the screen off; I had to hold it down (or pull the battery, which isn't practical on all phone models) and hard-reboot. That shouldn't even be *possible*, of course, so the OS takes some **** for that too...
It doesn't send turn directions over Bluetooth headset profile (only A2DP/"Music" profile) the way that WP7 would.
It doesn't pause music playback when speaking directions the way wp7 would; it just mutes the music temporarily.
If the music is paused, and the phone is on Bluetooth (both music and headset profiles), it will resume music playback after speaking the directions (admittedly, this might be the fault of the Bluetooth in this particular car).
It won't/can't keep the screen turned on when navigating on battery; I get that it drains the battery faster (although the GPS does that quite well already) but I like to be able to see directions at a glance.
It doesn't display the full list of directions once you start navigating (at least, I haven't found a way to make it do so).
It will send you down obscure, tiny, alley-like, residential, or meandering country roads, even if the (slightly longer route on the traffic-free) highway would be much faster, because it doesn't know what the speed limit on those streets is and therefore can't tell that it's substantially slower than taking the slightly longer route (and yes, I have it set to "fastest" not "shortest").
It has no lane assistance at all (neither did WP7, but other apps and devices do, and it would be very handy).
GoodDayToDie said:
Not a lot of point to 2GB of RAM on WP8; very few apps use even a large portion of the available RAM on 1GB models, and apps are generally not allowed to run in the background.
I'm rapidly becoming disenchanted with Here Drive. It does the job most of the time, but it has some serious flaws too:
Its ETAs are significantly less accurate than the WP7 built-in navigation was. I suspect this is because it's not actually very good at traffic knowledge.
It really isn't very good at traffic. In fact, the built-in Bing Maps app in WP8 is still better about routing around heavy traffic than Here Drive is, even if you launch Here Drive from Bing Maps.
It is absolutely terrible about road closures. I regularly get directed down roads that have been closed for months (which Bing maps knows about, incidentally), or get directed to go the wrong way down a one-way expressway that switches directions every day on a schedule. Bing maps (and WP7) were much better about this. These is *not* some obscure city, either; in fact, I'm less than 20 miles from Microsoft headquarters.
It has once completely frozen my phone (while navigating, when I lost cellular reception in a mountain valley). Tapping the Power button didn't even turn the screen off; I had to hold it down (or pull the battery, which isn't practical on all phone models) and hard-reboot. That shouldn't even be *possible*, of course, so the OS takes some **** for that too...
It doesn't send turn directions over Bluetooth headset profile (only A2DP/"Music" profile) the way that WP7 would.
It doesn't pause music playback when speaking directions the way wp7 would; it just mutes the music temporarily.
If the music is paused, and the phone is on Bluetooth (both music and headset profiles), it will resume music playback after speaking the directions (admittedly, this might be the fault of the Bluetooth in this particular car).
It won't/can't keep the screen turned on when navigating on battery; I get that it drains the battery faster (although the GPS does that quite well already) but I like to be able to see directions at a glance.
It doesn't display the full list of directions once you start navigating (at least, I haven't found a way to make it do so).
It will send you down obscure, tiny, alley-like, residential, or meandering country roads, even if the (slightly longer route on the traffic-free) highway would be much faster, because it doesn't know what the speed limit on those streets is and therefore can't tell that it's substantially slower than taking the slightly longer route (and yes, I have it set to "fastest" not "shortest").
It has no lane assistance at all (neither did WP7, but other apps and devices do, and it would be very handy).
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Whoow...
Amazing feedback !!!
I will going to wait for a time before by another phone.
I read in GSM Arena that Nokia is going to Show somethinck big tomorow...
But today i was drive in a small village, in a midle of the farm, and the Navigator with the Open Maps don´t show nothing, horrible.
Uruguay is in the end of the Earth, but with Garmin i can use the .img maps of MAPEAR...
Why Android change all with Android 4.2.2 ??? Only for business, for shure *&¨%&¨&(¨&¨*
Well, thanks for the support !!!
I can confirm, that Here Drive+ (the new name of Nokia Drive Beta) has indeed the option to download maps for Uruguay, the maps themselves are of 47.4 MB size. This is indeed quite small, however I have no idea how big the country is, so it may just be enough.
On the other hand, I disagree with GoodDayToDie on one of his points: I own a bluetooth headset, the Jabra Wave Plus (love this headset), and I can indeed hear both the speed warnings, and the voice directions on the headset.
I'm using an HTC Windows Phone 8x.
Hope I helped.
@TheGoldrocker: Can you also stream music over your headset? If so, the headset supports both "Headset" profile (mono-channel audio + microphone, intended primarily for use with hands-free devices) and at least one of the audio / music profiles like "A2DP" which provide quality stereo sound but no microphone. A single device can, and many will, offer both at the same time. However, many cars still only offer Headset profile, and at least for me, the instructions (and audio warnings) do not play over the headset profile connection. When the phone is connected to a Music profile Bluetooth device (and doesn't have headphones connected), it will send all of its audio (including stuff from apps) over the Bluetooth connection; that isn't anything special that Here Drive is doing.
TheGoldrocker said:
I can confirm, that Here Drive+ (the new name of Nokia Drive Beta) has indeed the option to download maps for Uruguay, the maps themselves are of 47.4 MB size. This is indeed quite small, however I have no idea how big the country is, so it may just be enough.
On the other hand, I disagree with GoodDayToDie on one of his points: I own a bluetooth headset, the Jabra Wave Plus (love this headset), and I can indeed hear both the speed warnings, and the voice directions on the headset.
I'm using an HTC Windows Phone 8x.
Hope I helped.
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Well, good thing to know.
I don´t know how big is a Here Drive + file compare to an nm2 (first type of Navitel file), but the complet Map of Uruguay in NM2 has just 30m.
Talking about Uruguay, it is a very small country, i believe it have 20009306 ha. If you take a car at one point of the country and go and make a complete "circle" in it, returning at the first point, the distance will going to be more or less 1800 km...
Well, returning to threat, what type the file works Here Drive + ? It works with .img or gpx ?
Nokia, i believe that in a short time i will turning back to you...
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Can you also stream music over your headset?
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Yes. I just used the TuneIn Radio app to listen to online radio on the headset.
In the Bluetooth settings menu it says:
JABRA WAVE+
connected voice, music
Calen77 said:
I don´t know how big is a Here Drive + file compare to an nm2 (first type of Navitel file), but the complete Map of Uruguay in NM2 has just 30m.
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The Nokia maps come from a company called Navteq.
I do not have any info on what extension or what format they're stored in, because WP8 doesn't have a file explorer yet.
However the analysis I can give you is the following: I live in Romania, which is 238,391 square kms, compared to Uruguay's (according to wikipedia) 181,034 square kms, it's 31% bigger.
But if maps also depend on the number of people living there: Romania's population is 20,121,641, compared to Uruguay's 3,286,314 (also wikipedia data) is an increase of 612%.
Knowing, that Romania's road maps weigh 115.8 MBs, I see it quite possible, that 47MB of maps can be enough to cover most, if not all of Uruguay's roads.
The road details are really good here, even most of the unpaved roads are mapped (and we have a LOT of those ), so I hope you get a similarly detailed road experience.
I forgot to mention, that as a non-Nokia phone owner, I had to pay for my Here Drive+, it costed about 33 Euros (44 USD). For Nokia, there are 2 versions of this app available:
Some phones get Here Drive+ (which is the same as the app I'm using) for free
Others only get Here Drive - this app only includes free maps for a single area or country. It can be unlocked to be used in more countries, but it will cost a little. I'd estimate something up to 20 Euros. Someone with more Nokia Lumia experience could help you more here.
I've used them both and I prefer Garman over Nokia drive. Nokia Drive is a basic Navi app, for what it does, for the most part does a great job. It's kind of stripped down as a navi app. I could not find how to show the full directions(I like to take a look how it's routing me before starting through to see if it's a place I want to avoid) or how to turn on POI's (places to eat, gas stations, etc).
Nokia drive is a nice basic navi app that is free but, If you want a full featured one, Garmin offers that and could be better depending on your needs. (too bad it does not support off line maps, but, I have unlimited data it's not a major deal to me)
Does anyone else who has used both agree here or did I miss something on Nokia Drive (I have a Lumia 928 in the US)
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I've used them both and I prefer Garman over Nokia drive. Nokia Drive is a basic Navi app, for what it does, for the most part does a great job. It's kind of stripped down as a navi app. I could not find how to show the full directions(I like to take a look how it's routing me before starting through to see if it's a place I want to avoid) or how to turn on POI's (places to eat, gas stations, etc).
Nokia drive is a nice basic navi app that is free but, If you want a full featured one, Garmin offers that and could be better depending on your needs. (too bad it does not support off line maps, but, I have unlimited data it's not a major deal to me)
Does anyone else who has used both agree here or did I miss something on Nokia Drive (I have a Lumia 928 in the US)
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I just yesterday wondered the same thing. There was an update for HERE Drive. Its mostly a UI revamp, but it now displays POIs. Also, it seems to have a trail feature, not that anything can be done with it yet. I still can't find full directions either. It seems that Nokia wants people to use HERE Maps for that. Why Nokia insists on having TWO mapping apps, I'll never know!?
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I just yesterday wondered the same thing. There was an update for HERE Drive. Its mostly a UI revamp, but it now displays POIs. Also, it seems to have a trail feature, not that anything can be done with it yet. I still can't find full directions either. It seems that Nokia wants people to use HERE Maps for that. Why Nokia insists on having TWO mapping apps, I'll never know!?
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I have both of them installed (I own Garmin), and I do a compare on both of them for a bunch of trips now. If you just need to get from Point A to Point B with no frills, Nokia drive is your app but, If you want the extra features that you would get off a full blown Navi system, Garmin is the one for you.
Unless someone can show me How to get the full directions that it will be taking before or during a trip and POI but, I will have to check to see if it's there after the last update..

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