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Help me, oh mighty gurus! Can't install apps on (100% working) SD card? **SOLVED**

Hi, guys,
Here's one from Kaiser newbie (sorry if there's an answer to this somewhere, tried, but couldn't find it):
Have a (un)brand(ed) new Kaiser and this 2GB Micro SD Card. The thing is, no matter what I do, I can't force that bundled TT6 Navigator (or any other version, for that matter!) to install on my SD!!!
Before you ask, I need it because I am frequently commuting throughout Balkans, and (as if that alone wasn't enough ) the ONLY map TomTom released covering that area so far was v6.08 East Europe BETA which has around 170MB. There's a lot of local forums stating that it is quite operational, but needs a bit of tweaking to get it there, which includes puting both TT6 app and the Eastern_Europe-Map folder to the root of SD.
Piece-a-cake, I thought, but then I hit the wall... I do get to a point of being asked for an install location, but even if I select my SD card ("Storage card"), I end up with TT6 installed in default Program Files folder! Tried with ActiveSync, manual install, CabInst and some other reg-tweakers (promising to solve things but failing miserably), etc., to no avail.
Not just that app, to be specific, some other behave likewise, but then, there are also those that play along, so...
What gives?!?

Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.

Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.

MakaveliReturns
Try making a "My Documents" folder in the Root of the SD card, then install there or if you already have the maps there, just copy the map folder into My Documents on your SD card.
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Well, tried that one up, as well as making SD card "Program Files", but doesn't work that way. I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location... The problem is I can't make ActiveSync to actually install the damn thing anywhere on SD card.
unwired4
Are you sure the actual app is installed in the devices main memory. When you install to the SD it still has to install some files on the device - such as the shortcut to the actualy program.
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Yes, because I located several folders on MyDevice with TomTom related files, and NONE on my SD card...
Thanks anyway, guys, any help is appreciated.

Quick update:
I did the hard reset. I'll try out "fresh" install, maybe something got messed up in my registry, then I'm back with results - usefull if someone else out there have the same problem (and I've found quite a few of those unfortunate souls ).

kappa011 said:
I'm sure it's because after I move the "Navigator" folder from MyDevice Program Files to SD card, there's a plenty of registry keys still pointing out to the default location.
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Yeah, this isn't going to work. The installation needs to go to the SD card in the first place.
Uninstall whatever it is you want on the card.
When you do the installation, make sure the card is in the phone. Connect your phone to your PC and don't immediately launch the installation. In WMDC or Active Sync, go to "Add/Remove Programs." There's a check box on the screen that will open that says "Install applications to default location" or something along those lines. If you can uncheck it, do so (it's not available sometimes).
When you actually do the install, check the mobile phone - it should be prompting you for where you want to install the app. Select the radio button for the Storage card, and you should be good to go.

Ok, now this is ridiculous!
After a hard reset, tried to install TTN 6, and, when asked for an install location, selected "Storage card"... Nevertheless, the damn thing installed to the Mobile device instead (again, so I give up trying to put it on SD for good!), but, to my surprise, I have managed to start it up and it even recognized my map ("Eastern_Europe-Map" folder on SD card)! Boy, was I happy as a pig in the s... Simpsons Movie ! Quited and started the app several times to ensure it's lock and loaded for good - yep, it was working all right...
But, guess what? After a later soft reset, TomTom hit me back with "No map found" again, seems like it has lost the "show-me-the-map-location-key-thingy" from the registry!!!
So, who da f#$% do I have to kill for this?

Try installing it from the sd card - ie put the cab files on the sd card and load it from there.

Thanx, tried that one already (described in my previous post), it got me closest to the goal, ie. that's how I got TT6 recognizing my map from SD card and working as a peach 'til next soft reset...
What could change in execution of an app after just reseting a device? The only thing coming to my mind is some Windows-style-run-once-regkey that screws things up, which makes no sense since the app should be legit, coming bundled with the Kaiser an all that...
Any idea?

I would guess it more to some registry settings remaining from the flawed installations.
Is there a setting in TT that tells it where to find the maps?

I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!
Right.
First of all - it's working. I don't know the apparent reason, but what i did was:
1) A hard reset.
2) None of that Spring Backup restore stuff. Although I used to restore just emails and personal database, left it out completely this time around.
3) Installed manually all of the usual tweaks, apps and stuff first, then put the TT6 cab down to my SD card again.
4) Synchronized my emails, contacts and the likes using ActiveSync.
4) Installed TT6 from SD card again, but before starting it for a first time, made a full Spring backup - the idea was, if the thing tends to work just for the first time it's started, I could easily restore it should it start loosing it again after a soft reset.
And that was it. Then started TT6, played around with it for a couple of minutes, and did a soft reset.... TA-DAAAAAH, it's up and running again and again, so no problem with it anymore.
Is it just me, or this makes no sense whatsoever, but, hey, it's working so why bother with it any longer.
Thanks a lot for your help, see you again in next week's episode of "I don't know how, but, hey - it's working now!"
Cheers.

IGO8

Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if there will be any way that we can use IGO8 on the Diamond?
I know that for them moment that is a no-no since there is an absence for a SD card, but is there a way that there will be a way around it ???maybe with the modification of the SYS.txt file?
Thanks

athosk said:
Hello everyone,
Does anyone know if there will be any way that we can use IGO8 on the Diamond?
I know that for them moment that is a no-no since there is an absence for a SD card, but is there a way that there will be a way around it ???maybe with the modification of the SYS.txt file?
Thanks
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the internal 4GB memory in the Diamond is identified as a "Storage Device" so it shouldnt be a problem.

IGO 8 crash with Diamond...Look HERE

How did he test it?
You can run iGo8 only from the original SD-card (copy protection)!!!
It is not possible to copy the files an run it from another SD-Card.
So it will not be possible to use it on the diamond.
TDO

TDO said:
How did he test it?
You can run iGo8 only from the original SD-card (copy protection)!!!
It is not possible to copy the files an run it from another SD-Card.
So it will not be possible to use it on the diamond.
TDO
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he tested it with cracked igo 8... so it is possible!

I had problems with iGO8 on my P3650 Touch Cruise and i found out that if you disable "Assisted GPS" it will work. I used Pocket Toolman to disable that. I did deleted those two files in the "2577" folder and made myself an shortcut that i placed in \Windows\Start Menu folder. Now it works like a charm. When you don't disable Assisted GPS it crashes all the time. Hope this will help.

You didn't read carefully ... :
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Hi Guys,
IGO 2008 crashes (it does not start up - AGPS is zerp by default enabling did not help either)
BR
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I think discussion about illegal software is not really purposeful.
The original poster asked if he will be able to use iGo8 with the diamond.
And the answer is a simple no, as it only works with the included SD-card.
TDO

TDO said:
I think discussion about illegal software is not really purposeful.
The original poster asked if he will be able to use iGo8 with the diamond.
And the answer is a simple no, as it only works with the included SD-card.
TDO
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It will work if you place it in the 4 gig space, make a shortcut of iGO.exe in \windows\Start Menu and it will start up and work just fine.

Sponzert said:
It will work if you place it in the 4 gig space, make a shortcut of iGO.exe in \windows\Start Menu and it will start up and work just fine.
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No it will not.
It works only with the SD-Card it came.
iGo8 hast the same copy protection as iGo6 - the program ist bound to the specific SD-card.
Just ask navngo.
TDO

This is actually ridiculous: I get a GPS phone and can't install ANY GPS program on it? As far as I know, they all come on SD cards!

pedmond said:
This is actually ridiculous: I get a GPS phone and can't install ANY GPS program on it? As far as I know, they all come on SD cards!
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its not the hardware manufactor's fault that the software developer cannot write a piece of software to function without a microSD card.

Sponzert said:
I had problems with iGO8 on my P3650 Touch Cruise and i found out that if you disable "Assisted GPS" it will work. I used Pocket Toolman to disable that. I did deleted those two files in the "2577" folder and made myself an shortcut that i placed in \Windows\Start Menu folder. Now it works like a charm. When you don't disable Assisted GPS it crashes all the time. Hope this will help.
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What did you mean by crashes? I have a touch diamond and i have tried to install a version on my device.
What I have done is placed the two folders iGO8 and 2577 folders into the inboard storage of my phone I have then unplugged the phone from the data cable and it then asks me if i want to install iGO, i click yes and it installs, through the instalation, it asks me a unknown publisher wants to acces something, i just click yes, the installation ends up finishing and the program tries to load, then bang nothing, it just goes to the menu screen i was previously on, I then try to access the program through the start menu and programs folder, it tries to execute but then just stops. nothing happens. I have also tried the same thing after a soft reset.
is nthis the kind of issue you were having ?

saveferris said:
What did you mean by crashes? I have a touch diamond and i have tried to install a version on my device.
What I have done is placed the two folders iGO8 and 2577 folders into the inboard storage of my phone I have then unplugged the phone from the data cable and it then asks me if i want to install iGO, i click yes and it installs, through the instalation, it asks me a unknown publisher wants to acces something, i just click yes, the installation ends up finishing and the program tries to load, then bang nothing, it just goes to the menu screen i was previously on, I then try to access the program through the start menu and programs folder, it tries to execute but then just stops. nothing happens. I have also tried the same thing after a soft reset.
is nthis the kind of issue you were having ?
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why don't you try running it by disabling A-GPS using PPC Toolman? The other member claims that with this way, he got it to run using another device though

athosk said:
why don't you try running it by disabling A-GPS using PPC Toolman? The other member claims that with this way, he got it to run using another device though
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Exactly, thats what i did and it runs like hell. Sometimes you can go mad when you reboot and get that install again, just delete the two files from 2577 folder.

pedmond said:
This is actually ridiculous: I get a GPS phone and can't install ANY GPS program on it? As far as I know, they all come on SD cards!
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Yes, but only navngo uses the SD card ID as copy protection. All other progams should function. E.g. TomTom will be included on the O2 version of the diamond.
TDO

athosk said:
why don't you try running it by disabling A-GPS using PPC Toolman? The other member claims that with this way, he got it to run using another device though
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I couldn't even install that program PPC toolman, i downloaded the link on that page, I put the files on my internal storage and clicked on them through file manager, it just gave me an error message.
I even put the files in My device section of my hard drive and still nothing.
TBH, i have NFI what i'm gonna do next.

walshieau said:
its not the hardware manufactor's fault that the software developer cannot write a piece of software to function without a microSD card.
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I totally agree - that was meant as a critique for the software houses. I'm buying the Diamond

saveferris said:
I couldn't even install that program PPC toolman, i downloaded the link on that page, I put the files on my internal storage and clicked on them through file manager, it just gave me an error message.
I even put the files in My device section of my hard drive and still nothing.
TBH, i have NFI what i'm gonna do next.
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I have sent you a private message. Check that out and let us know the result. I don't have a Diamond but I got iGO8 working on a device with the SD card removed, so it should work on the Diamond as well...

david-v said:
I have sent you a private message. Check that out and let us know the result. I don't have a Diamond but I got iGO8 working on a device with the SD card removed, so it should work on the Diamond as well...
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Can you please send me the info about IGO8 as well? I have the Diamond and will test it tomorrow. Thx

List of softwares can run in memory card?

I know that some software definitely can run from the memory card. What I mean is not like: when you install the software, the device asks you to choose the location (install to device of memory card), then you choose the memory card. No, I dont mean that. What I want to say is: for some programs, when installing them, you choose the location to install is the device, then go to the Program Files folder in the device, copy the folder of that program to memory card, uninstall the program. Now you can run the program from the .exe file in the folder you've just copied to Memory card (or make a short cut and copy to the Start up folder in Window). Some programs allow you to do that (I know most of the games for example), and some are just not.
So, that would be perfect if we know which programs can be like that, then we can save memory of the device (and hopefully our Kaiser can run faster, I'm not sure about that, just guessing). Of course the answer will be: come on, just try it dude! But, if some of us here already know which program can allow that, we can save time of others. So just post the program you know to this thread, I'll try to make a list updated regularly for everyone, and hopefully the running folders for those programs also ...
I'm not sure if there was a thread like this previously. I tried to search and there're something related to, but not dedicated to. So if you know about a thread doing exactly what I'm doing here, just tell me (and Mod) to delete it.

I've managed it fine with Prince of Persia HD

I don't get why you wouldn't install to the card in the first place? If your method works, it means that the installer hasn't put anything outside of the program's folder apart from the shortcut and uninstaller entry, so it's not like you'd save anything by moving and uninstalling. For those where it doesn't work, there HAVE been some things stored in other locations but they are required for the program to work and uninstalling removed them - if you install to storage card those things will still be on the internal memory but it's usually a small footprint, and at least you'll be able to use the program...

Some apps install everything to the device whether you like it or not even if the bulk of the stuff will work happily on the card.

kilrah said:
I don't get why you wouldn't install to the card in the first place? If your method works, it means that the installer hasn't put anything outside of the program's folder apart from the shortcut and uninstaller entry, so it's not like you'd save anything by moving and uninstalling. For those where it doesn't work, there HAVE been some things stored in other locations but they are required for the program to work and uninstalling removed them - if you install to storage card those things will still be on the internal memory but it's usually a small footprint, and at least you'll be able to use the program...
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I used to think if we install to meomory card it also put something outside, but I guess you right! Anyway, it is a good way to save time too if you flash ROM quite often, that you can just plug the memory card and run the program ...

Setting to make Kaiser work like a flash disk

Hey guys
Anyways I want to know if it is possible to change a setting somewhere to get my Kaiser to work like a flash disk, at the moment I have an 8 gig memory card in it and it takes forever to copy files to and from it, you also need to have Active Sync or Windows Mobile Manager installed on the PC to be able to do so...
All I want to have is, when I plug my Kaiser in, a REMOVABLE STORAGE link appears on my Desktop and it works like a flash disk will... I also have a problem when doing it through ActiveSync that when copying files FROM the phone to desktop or wherever, the files doesnt copy or appear on the PC... I've read on the net that you can find it in your PC's TEMP folder but I cant find it and this is not how it is suppose to work...
Any help would be apreciated
Thanks in advance.

search some more and you will find the following facts (which i am listing here because i am in a good mood, but you should still search because you will find more details that way):
1. a program (not free, i.e. commercial) called "card export" will allow you to do what you desire in terms of exposing your microsd card as removable storage when you connect to your PC via usb...see point 4 below also
2. another program called "wm5torage" MIGHT work depending on which version of wm5torage you try and which particular ROM you try it on. its a bit of a hit and miss affair, though. in my experience, wm5torage worked only ONCE, and i was using winmo6.0 back then...it has NEVER worked for me on winmo6.1 or winmo6.5 ROMs...see point 4 below also
3. newer devices from htc are able to do what you desire out-of-the-box. this is because these devices contain the necessary drivers to enable the functionality but, sadly, these drivers were never shipped with the kaiser and no one has (yet) found a way to hack the drivers of newer devices to work with the kaiser.
4. WHATEVER mechanism you try, it WILL BE SLOW. this is because the kaiser has a usb2.0 COMPLIANT interface. the "compliant" term essentially means that the device can WORK on a usb2.0 interface but not at full usb2.0 SPEED.
5. activesync will always work to PUT files on the kaiser. GETTING files FROM the kaiser is "buggy" with activesync. as a workaround to activesync, i use "schaps htc network plugin" on my kaiser. what this wonderful little piece of kit does is that it will allow you to map folders that point to one or more "network drives". if you set up a shared folder (with FULL ACCESS to "Everyone") on your desktop/laptop, you can use the network plugin to map a folder (usually under "\Network") and then you can freely read/write files using any file manager on your kaiser over WIFI as well as over activesync. so when i want to retrieve something from my kaiser, i establish an activesync or wifi connection and then i browse the shared folder from the kaiser and dump whatever i want on to the desktop/laptop's shared folder.
6. another alternative is to use the remote desktop application. this will let you access your desktop's/laptop's desktop remotely (over wifi as well as over activesync) from your kaiser. in the "Options" of the remote desktop application, you will find a setting under the "Resources" tab called "Device storage"...setting this option to "Map to the remote machine" will make your device's "\" folder (including the "\Storage Card" folder) available to your desktop/laptop in "My Computer". the catch is that you will have to use your desktop's/laptop's desktop on the tiny QVGA screen of your kaiser.
7. LUCKY SEVEN is the BEST OPTION in my opinion. simply buy a cheap microsd card reader and when you need to use your microsd card as a usb drive, simply pop out the card from the kaiser, slide it into the card reader, and you'll have a fully functional 8GB usb flash drive. desktop windows won't know the difference and the speed is phenomenal! as a benchmark, it takes about 10 minutes to copy about 200MB using activesync. the card reader will do the same operation in under a minute! it seems htc has designed the kaiser's microsd card slot to be "hot swappable" but i recommend closing all file browsers and any programs running from your microsd card or any programs accessing files/data from your microsd card before removing the card from the kaiser. also recommended is to turn off any and all power saving options set for your microsd card slot on your kaiser.
good luck!

Thank you very much good sir.

ASCIIker said:
1. a program (not free, i.e. commercial) called "card export" will allow you to do what you desire in terms of exposing your microsd card as removable storage when you connect to your PC via usb...see point 4 below also
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I second Card Export, i've tried so many different options for my Kaiser and it was the only program/option that was able to do this.

[Q] Can't see SD Card

Hi
Just a quick question. Running WM7 on HTC HD2 but I can't see my SD card or any settings to get to it.
Is there any obvious setting I've missed.

You won't see it as such as it's effectively incorporated into the WP7 file system. You can tweak your PC's registry to make the device appear in Windows Explorer, which gives you limited access to folders, but you really need to use Zune or email to put files onto the device - the card doesn't work quite like it used to in terms of portable storage.
I understand schapps is working on a WP7 'Device Centre' that may help with some aspects of this - should be released following the forthcoming WP7 update.

Thanks for info.
After install I only have 64MB of data storage left. Therefore I can't install aps or take pic's etc so looks like Android for me then.

Hi,
I had the same problem few days agot...
I tried two of my sd cards, and it didn't work, so I bought a new one, and re install my hd2, then it worked...
You can try to reformat the card with SDFormatter, maybe it could help!
But you have to hard reset your phone when you change your sd card.
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