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Anyone know if this would be possible. I would luv to get this phone. Am using a tytn at the moment on softbank network. Considering purchasing a Kaiser from overseas on next business trip to bring back to Tokyo and give it a whirl.
Thanks,
Theoretically it is possible as the radios and sim cards should be compatible.
However, the Softbank AP for the flat rate data plan has not been cracked. Yet. There are a few people with Treo 750s that are also interested in seeing this password revealed - as well as me. I would like to try the Libra - or perhaps even the Omni or Wings (when and if they debut) if they have the right radios.
If you don't mind paying more for data, then the expensive/slow data connection to Softbank is possible.
RayB said:
Anyone know if this would be possible. I would luv to get this phone. Am using a tytn at the moment on softbank network. Considering purchasing a Kaiser from overseas on next business trip to bring back to Tokyo and give it a whirl.
Thanks,
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Here's the interesting thing. Ordered a Kaiser from UK via DHL (delivered in 3 days!) and today when I stuck in my Softbank SIM, I found that the Kaiser (TytnII) software automatically detected that I was on Softbank and automatically installed the connection settings for Softbank. I am able to surf using that auto configured connection though I cannot confirm this is the connection that uses the flat rate 3G thing. More investigation needed.
There's been tonnes of posts on how people can setup a link using software/hacks/whatever to access the flat rate software package but haven't had enough time to check it out.
At the moment, except a direct HSDPA (as indicated by the icon) internet link, there's no MMS or SMS (!) so I need to figure out why; latter might be because MMS and SMS seems to share the same mailbox now so maybe because I've not setup mms as yet, even SMS won't come in
Boy, why has everything in Japan got to be so complicated...
Auto-configured the connection huh? Cool trick. It should be easy to check.
The access point name of the flat rate connection is open.softbank.ne.jp. I believe the non-flat rate connection is [email protected] (or something like that).
You should be able to check by looking at Settings>Connections>Manage my existing connections, then select edit to view the particulars for the Softbank connection.
As far as SMS/MMS, you hit the nail right on the head. I have had troubles with the integrated SMS/MMS mailbox here in Japan with various ROMs for my Hermes. It might (big might) be possible to overwrite your SMS/MMS software with a previous verson of Arcsoft MMS that has separate mailboxes. That might (again, big might, never tried it before) free up your SMS. If that succeeds, we can get you to try installing MMSlite.
Hi!
I know this is off topic, sorry about that.
But is there a recent 2007 'how to install Japanese support' on a TyTn II?
I have read a lot and some of it is scary !!
Sorry again to jump in on your thread !
Ofiaich
ofiaich said:
Hi!
I know this is off topic, sorry about that.
But is there a recent 2007 'how to install Japanese support' on a TyTn II?
I have read a lot and some of it is scary !!
Sorry again to jump in on your thread !
Ofiaich
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Ofiaich - no, no, don't worry about the off-topic post.
And you don't ever need to be scared of modding your phone as long as you have a backup utility. I recommend SPB Backup, but some are fond of Sprite.
The Kaiser is a relatively new device so you are kind of flying blind. However, since both machines run WM6, many of the same packages should be viable. Let's start with the directions found in Make your X01HT a WM6 Device (for Gaijins)
Now time to have your Hermes speak Japanese
Japanese fonts
Use the excellent work from Asukal, that you can find here:
http://www.asukal.jp/WM5/LetsJapanNo5.zip
Japanese input
Not using for myself, but these work perfectly (I tried):
http://www.asukal.jp/WM5/BagojsINPUT.zip
If you prefer a Japanese input without the annoying "Floating bar", ie just the same input way as your original WM5 Softbank ROM, just downlaod and install the "MS IME31 J" link from Asukal's page:
http://hn801.hkes.com/Data/SIP/IME_31J_QVGA_F.zip
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I believe that these files are generic for WM5/6, and that they should work on any QVGA machine. The picture from Asukal's page shows them working on an Alpine, so they are not specific to Hermes.
The following directions however, might be specific to the Hermes, as they are registry settings for the keyboard. The above packages should actually automatically change the two HKCU registry entries below.
To map properly your Softbank Keyboard, do the following registry modifications:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Oem\Qwerty] "Layout"= 30411 (Hexadecimal base)
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\keyboard layout\Preload] "Default"= e0010411
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\keyboard layout\Preload\1] "Default"= e0010411
More details here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...keyboard+x01HT
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I am really interested in helping you (i.e. using you as a guinea pig) as I am also interested in importing different devices for use in Japan and need Japanese support.
thanks very much larsuck !
I sent you a PM !
I have found some of those pages before! I am an absolute beginner for Windows Mobile so some procedures are a bit daunting !
I hope to get a TyTn II very soon ! Saving up and trading old phones etc!
I will read your links again thoroughly and come back to you!
Ofiaich
I purchased Kaiser.
There was environment I displayed Japanese, and to be able to beat against Japanese with Atok.
I tested SB in Kaiser with usable ConnSBM_ORE2h.zip, but Password was not formed.
I think that Password is made if I do not understand that I make ORE2cert.cab for Kaiser, and it is possible for this.
Maro,
So, let me just make sure I understand: you have a Kaiser, and that the Kaiser can read Japanese, and that you can input Japanese using third-party software called ATOK.
That is good news for our friend ofiaich.
Now, I understand you tried to install Softbank's flat rate connection set up using ConnSBM.cab, ORE2cert.cab, Out.xml, and WIFIwake.exe, all four of these files being the ones used for the Hermes. (There is also a package for Universal called ConnSBM_ORE2u.zip.)
And you say that you can make a ORE2cert.cab for Kaiser and if you do that then the password will be made?
If that is so, then that is great! But I have a feeling that you don't need a new ORE2cert.cab. The ORE2cert.cab for the Hermes and the ORE2cert.cab for the Universal seem to be the exact same file.
larsuck said:
Auto-configured the connection huh? Cool trick. It should be easy to check.
The access point name of the flat rate connection is open.softbank.ne.jp. I believe the non-flat rate connection is [email protected] (or something like that).
You should be able to check by looking at Settings>Connections>Manage my existing connections, then select edit to view the particulars for the Softbank connection.
As far as SMS/MMS, you hit the nail right on the head. I have had troubles with the integrated SMS/MMS mailbox here in Japan with various ROMs for my Hermes. It might (big might) be possible to overwrite your SMS/MMS software with a previous verson of Arcsoft MMS that has separate mailboxes. That might (again, big might, never tried it before) free up your SMS. If that succeeds, we can get you to try installing MMSlite.
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Ok, bit of progress. Can verify that the auto-configured connection (which works fine) is the non-flat rate connection so would strongly advise folks to be careful in using it.
Installed MMSlite and ended up having constant irritating reports that storage memory is full! No way MMSlite can occupy so much memory! Anyway, ended up having to hard reset. Once reset, this time I installed CE Star to provide japanese font support and then installed MMSlite. Worked a treat. Can confirm I can receive both MMS and SMS but at the moment can only send SMS; MMS is no go as that 'special S!Mail' mail box will not allow phone number as destination. I think the S!Mail MMS mail box is configured as a normal email mail box so is expecting an email address or something. Next is to find how to get access to the flat rate connection so time to dig the archives...
Any other fellow Japanese Kaiser users who can share some experiences?
Thanks Larsuck for the comments and tips....
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Ok, bit of progress. Can verify that the auto-configured connection (which works fine) is the non-flat rate connection so would strongly advise folks to be careful in using it.
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Well, that's a bummer, but as Softcrank keeps their flat-rate settings top top secret, it was also to be expected.
Can confirm I can receive both MMS and SMS but at the moment can only send SMS; MMS is no go as that 'special S!Mail' mail box will not allow phone number as destination. I think the S!Mail MMS mail box is configured as a normal email mail box so is expecting an email address or something.
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This is how MMSlite normally works, unfortunately. It can't send to phone numbers (or at least I have never been able to do so). However, build 275 has a function that, when you try to send an MMS to a phone number, it looks up the phone number in your contacts list and gives you a list of 'real' email addresses to choose from. Of course, there have been stability issues reported with build 275.
Question here: did your Kaiser have the joined SMS/MMS inbox? Or were the inboxes separate before you installed MMSlite? I have had trouble with the joined SMS/MMS inbox on some Hermes ROMs on Softbank.
Next is to find how to get access to the flat rate connection so time to dig the archives...
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Happy hunting! I (and a slew of other Japanese cell phone otaku) have been looking and digging and decoding and packet-sniffing and begging to try to get our hands on the password. The pre-April 1st connection informaiton is out there, but unfortunately they shut that connection down.
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This is how MMSlite normally works, unfortunately. It can't send to phone numbers (or at least I have never been able to do so). However, build 275 has a function that, when you try to send an MMS to a phone number, it looks up the phone number in your contacts list and gives you a list of 'real' email addresses to choose from. Of course, there have been stability issues reported with build 275.
Question here: did your Kaiser have the joined SMS/MMS inbox? Or were the inboxes separate before you installed MMSlite? I have had trouble with the joined SMS/MMS inbox on some Hermes ROMs on Softbank.
Happy hunting! I (and a slew of other Japanese cell phone otaku) have been looking and digging and decoding and packet-sniffing and begging to try to get our hands on the password. The pre-April 1st connection informaiton is out there, but unfortunately they shut that connection down.
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Thanks for the info relating to MMSlite; think I have build 275 so could give it a shot I guess.
My Kaiser did indeed have the joined SMS/MMS box prior to installing MMSlite; post-installation they're still joined. What type of trouble did you have just out of curiosity? I've yet to have any issues.
Bummer, thought there existed some means of generating the password etc etc using some really convoluted means of installation in xda forums? So I take it there currently exists no means of accessing the Softbank flat rate connection outside of using the original Japanese mobile? I thought there was a post that would auto-populate the password field after the convoluted setup?
Yes, there is a convoluted process like that. Unfortunately, it depends on an .exe file called WIFIwake.exe that is device specific. There is an .exe for the Hermes and one for the Universal - none for the Kiaser yet. If you would like to try either of those links, they are
here
If you have the knowhow to delve into an .exe file and make the right changes (I have compared the files and there are only two changes to make it seems), I know you will make more than a few people happy. Needless to say, I don't have any idea how to even start editing programs.
I have been searching, trying to find a work around for a couple of months now. At first, I had been looking for the password itself, but I don't know that it is such a good idea for the password to get out. That's what happened before, and in response Softbank closed down that access point and switched to the current one.
So, now I'm looking for a solution in the form of a .cab or registry hack - one that can be used on a wider range of machines. If and when I succeed, I will post to this form and you can give it a shot.
I tried two ROMs with the SMS/MMS joined mailbox. The first one was Black Satin, and on that ROM the SMS wouldn't send or recieve. I didn't even keep that ROM long enough to check MMSlite. The second ROM was T-Lite by edhass. That ROM had no problems sending and recieving SMS, but when I installed MMSlite it created a separate mailbox called MMS1. So, everytime I would go to send a MMS, it would automatically try to send it using the joined SMS/MMS settings and it wouldn't go through. So, it wasn't that it didn't work, it was just kind of a pain in the ass.
Hi!
ordered the TyTn II and, with luck, it should be with me tomorrow!
At the latest Monday before 1.00pm!
I am an absolute beginner with Windows Mobile, and yes, I will RTFM thoroughly and also search and search.....
But if anyone can help with like an Idiots Guide to Installing Japanese, I would be grateful!
larsuck, I have downloaded the files that you told me about, from the post on the 19th!
Good weekend for all!
Ofiaich
Patched WIFIwake from Chaimd
Huzzah! Huzzah!
Chaimd has apparently patched WIFIwake to work for Kaiser!
With this, Kaiser users should now be able to get the flat-rate Softbank connection working.
First, here is the thread where Chaimd first posted this info and the patched WIFIwake: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298031&page=11
Read it first, because there is something about CID-unlocking the Kaiser and memorizing the Pre-unlocked CID. I will alert Chaimd to this thread and hopefully he can answer questions.
Thank you, larsuck. I'll try to explain the working WIFIwake.exe on Kaiser, in my terribly poor English.
Now, we can connect to the flat-rate Softbank access point, to patch and sign WIFIwake.exe.
That WIFIwake works copmpletely on my Kaiser. But that method depends on;
Pre-Unlock CID must be known!
CID unlocked, I used Pof's Hard-SPL.
Patching WIFIWake.exe;
01C760h "KAIS1300KAIS1300", 16 chars in UTF-16.
01C784h Pre-Unlock CID, 8 chars in UTF-16.
01C798h Pre-Unlock CID, 8 chars in UTF-16.
Self-Signing WIFIwake.exe
To Install not only connSBM.cab, Out.xml ans WIFIwake.exe,
but also your Self-Signing CAB file.
If you understand Japanese, you can get some informations of Kaiser & WIFIwake in this blog;
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/chai99/20071008
Now if you don't mind me asking, how do you use a non-japanese sim based phone on softbank with a data contract (not technically) but actually like go about it? As i go back and forth between japan frequently and in ~6 months will be moving there again for a year or two. Last time i lived there, I never had a mobile. Times change and now i need one for sure while there. I'd love to use a Kaiser that I have on hold at AT&T (can get it completely unlocked...). I thought they don't give SIM cards on there pre-paid phones...
@Philz,
If you get a cheap phone from softbank with a voice plan, you can use the sim card from that in your Kaiser. If your Kaiser is unlocked, the sim card should allow text and voice without messing with any settings. There is also a .cab program called Carrier Settings Wizard (or some such) that is floating around in the Hermes threads. It might be able to set up the (non-flat-rate) data settings for Softbank.
If you are a heavy data user and want a flat-rate data plan then, after signing up for one, you would need to apply the treatment that we are discussing here. However, from what chaimd says it doesn't sound easy.
Unfortunately, contracts from Softbank are usually for two years - not ideal for someone who is always traveling back and forth. Depending on how long you are in Japan, it might be cheaper just to roam here until you make the move.
@chaimd,
You said you used Pof's tool. Is your Kaiser Super-CID? It seems strange that the CID must be known if the device is Super-CID.
Also, you said:
"5. To Install not only connSBM.cab, Out.xml ans WIFIwake.exe,
but also your Self-Signing CAB file. "
What is this Self-Signing CAB file? Do you mean the patched WIFIwake?
Or perhaps ORE2Cert?
Will the ORE2Cert from the Hermes package work with the Kaiser?
Hi, larsuck! I'm writing on Kiser through the flat-rate Softbank connection, now.
First: Is my Kaiser Super-CID?
Yes, my Kaiser is Super-CID. First, I checked "info 2" command, after the installation of pof's Hard-SPL. As WIFIwake works on my unlocked Treo750, and I jumped and thought "Yes! Super-CID! WIFIwake will work without patches!", ..... but it does'nt generate the password in real. Indeed, it is strange. I was confused.
We tried many many patterns of patching WIFIwake, but WIFIwake did'nt generate the pass, and we spent a few days. Finally, one of us found the right way! and we've got to the flat-rate Softbank connection. We found pre-unlocked CID was known to work WIFIwake on Hard-SPL Kaiser. I don't know why?
2nd: What is self-siging cab file?
The itamae's WIFIwake has already been signed by him to work without a ROM cooking. ORE2Cert, ore-ore-certification means self-sign certification in Japanese, is his signature to allow execute a previllaged code for WindowsMobile devices. But, if you patch the WIFIwake, WindowsMobile rejects it as a illeagal modified code. Then, you must re-sign WIFIwake, and install yor own Self-Sign-Cert.cab with your WIFIwake. You need to make your own Self-Sign-Cert CAB file. ORE2Cert.cab from the Hermes package does'nt work on Kaiser.
I described how to make Self-Sign files without VisualStudio in my blog. It's almost the minimum procedure of self-siging, but it's in Japanese.
Hi fellow WinMo users
I have read somewhere on some site or other.. a funky piece of software that once you install it.. it sits silent on your phone.. until someone sticks in a different sim.. then it starts sending a pre-defined number (yours) a text from your theives sim.. and even telling you GPS location... blah blah.. and if you want.. you can send a special text back to it.. and it will disable / delete your phonebook / wipe all your info... etc etc
Anyone know what the hell i'm on about?
Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365054
http://www.wimp-software.co.uk/
I am moving this thread to the regular Kaiser forum as it is not related to development matters. (For upgrading read development ie ROM cooking and other software development.) In this particular case, I could also have chosen the General Forum as such tracking software could apply to any phone with built in GPS.
Mike
Found it!
Thanks for the info...
http://www.evenbyte.com/?page=product&id=2
That was the one i was looking for as it will send the call history aswell as sms's sent by rougue sim inserted...
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Thanks for the info...
http://www.evenbyte.com/?page=product&id=2
That was the one i was looking for as it will send the call history aswell as sms's sent by rougue sim inserted...
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I don't see the GPS tracking function that you stated you were looking for in the first post in that program you linked. Its also been about a year since they updated it. I'd be concerned how long its going to be supported.
I'm performing some thread necromancy on this sucker to highlight a couple pieces of Windows Mobile security software I remembered from my Palm Treo days with the capability to actively prevent data theft by remote password lockout and remote wipe of data. Worth adding to the list, as the two or three mentioned above and on the Wiki do not appear to be in development any longer.
This article does a nice job of laying out features (though written in a Palm-specific manner, these apps have Windows Mobile versions now).
Warden
Warden Review
mSafe
If anyone has actual experience using any of the remote wipe-capable programs listed here, I would be interested to hear more.
Best,
Mod
Is there any "fun" bluetooth software outthere anymore. It always fun to be able to mess with your friends but I have not been able to find anything for a long time that will allow that happen. Any ideas?
Yes I too would like to use BT to listen in on conversations, DOH I mean have fun with friends.
Interesting... I Didn't even know there was such a thing...
either did I. Is there?
I have something called Smurf, it's a program for Bluejacking anything bluetooth aware. No idea where to get it as it was somewhere obscure and it crashes if I try to access the about screen (rest of it works quite well though).
Here looks favourite for a website, but I might be wrong -
http://www.gatefold.co.uk/smurf/
I have a cab for it called "SmurfSetup04", so it looks like it's that url...
Hope that helps.
This should be interesting if i can get it to work... lol oh well...
Cavey.co.uk said:
I have something called Smurf, it's a program for Bluejacking anything bluetooth aware. No idea where to get it as it was somewhere obscure and it crashes if I try to access the about screen (rest of it works quite well though).
Here looks favourite for a website, but I might be wrong -
http://www.gatefold.co.uk/smurf/
I have a cab for it called "SmurfSetup04", so it looks like it's that url...
Hope that helps.
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Blue Jacking
Ok, firstly its an offence in most counties as its considered hacking under most laws but for information purposes:
Bluetooth phones that were able to be bluejacked were only made about 4 years ago as all the bluetooth pairing stack has been hardened since then try to prevent this.
Im sure its proabably possible with the right kit, essentially using the original exploits you tricked the traget device into a situation where it thought that you were re-pairing a device and explioted this.
Anyway, probably the most fun thing you can still do over bluetooth is with a program called bluetooth sniper, this lets you send images and text to target phones whilst re-writing your bluetooth id. Its also possible to send messages to phones where the bluetooth is turned on but set to hidden mode.
It also has a war mode, you set a message, it scans for all phones, send the message to all local phones and then does it again and again and again.
Use with caution as you can expect other phone users get a bit pissed after the 10th or so bluetooth message
If your running linux and not a ppc theres a bit more things you can do like:
http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_carwhisperer.html
this is the sort of attack you talk about, however it relighs on the bluetooth's device to still have the default pass key, which many have.
http://www.secuobs.com/news/05022006-bluetooth10.shtml
this is a dos attack i belive for bluetooth
there is also
http://www.net-security.org/software.php?id=519
redfang which attempts to brueforce the passkey on the device, this is slightly diffirent from the original method used for btcrawler.
Anyway, like i said i wouldnt advise doing or using any of the above as its very very very naughty indeed !!
Great - thank you for the info. I will continue to do some more research and find out which one of these still works. I own a copy of the bluetooth sniper (yes, I bought it) and it never seems to work very good. The problem is you have to have the "passkey" to the other phone to be able to do anything.
Anyways - I'm not going to spend tons of time on it, as I just had some buddies I wanted to mess with. If anyone else has any other programs out there that does not require the remote users passkey I would love to hear what they are!
Tare Care....
Plazma remind me to never piss you off. Awsome info.
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Don't confuse bluejacking with bluesnarfing.
Bluejacking is actually harmless (although possibly annoying) and involves sending a contact with a message to the bluetooth device concerned.
I haven't used Sniper, but Smurf didn't require a pass key and is free (forgot to mention that bit). Worked with a Sony Ericsson phone and a Nokia phone my friends had, their MacBook's and an Asus machine running Vista...
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Anyway, probably the most fun thing you can still do over bluetooth is with a program called bluetooth sniper, this lets you send images and text to target phones whilst re-writing your bluetooth id. Its also possible to send messages to phones where the bluetooth is turned on but set to hidden mode.
It also has a war mode, you set a message, it scans for all phones, send the message to all local phones and then does it again and again and again.
Use with caution as you can expect other phone users get a bit pissed after the 10th or so bluetooth message
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i tried to download sniper but it said it does not support my firmware or something like that, so i did some research and found it need one of the old .net frameworks. i found the download in the Sniper forums but you need to join to download it... but of course i tried to join (about 2 months ago) and i still have not gotten the 'moderator approval' so i cant download it and thus cant run sniper
Sniper wasn't any fun because to do anything at all, it always pops up the passkey screen on the remote users phone.....thus, your name (device owner name) would always display and make the remote user connect with you. I am anxious to try this smurf program; however, I can't seem to get it installed. All of the new custom ROM's do not appear to have SQL CE installed on them, which is requires - and I can't seem to find the proper cabs to install it on the tilt. If anyone has the proper cabs I need, please post them!
smurf
beufford12 said:
Sniper wasn't any fun because to do anything at all, it always pops up the passkey screen on the remote users phone.....thus, your name (device owner name) would always display and make the remote user connect with you. I am anxious to try this smurf program; however, I can't seem to get it installed. All of the new custom ROM's do not appear to have SQL CE installed on them, which is requires - and I can't seem to find the proper cabs to install it on the tilt. If anyone has the proper cabs I need, please post them!
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I have smurf running on my tilt, if anyone knows how to upload to a site by phone i'll post the cab there. i'm running confused stu's mobile vista 1.3 vc(us), coreplayer, vista dialer. i'm sure any version of his rom will do it just click my signature stating my rom.
Cavey.co.uk said:
Don't confuse bluejacking with bluesnarfing.
Bluejacking is actually harmless (although possibly annoying) and involves sending a contact with a message to the bluetooth device concerned.
I haven't used Sniper, but Smurf didn't require a pass key and is free (forgot to mention that bit). Worked with a Sony Ericsson phone and a Nokia phone my friends had, their MacBook's and an Asus machine running Vista...
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Indeed, bluejacking is often confused with bluesnarfing(which I have an app that will do bluesnarfing, bluebugging, and hellomoto attacks.) Believe me there are still PLENTY of phones and devices still susceptible to bluejacking, just not many still bugged for bluesnarfing or hellomoto attacks.
I've actually made REAL friends by bluejacking(bluejacked a nice lookin lady at the music store once as well as a bartender.)
If you're grey hatted.... check out bluezard... I believe it's www.wm-soft.com but it's not freeware(worth the money imo.) In addition to the attacks there is a built in console where you can attach to any of the remote services and send AT commands(such as dialing commands or sms commands) Doesn't do automatic scanning though, and that's a pain. A really nice bluejacker peice is mobiluck, it's actually geared more toward the exact social aspect of bluejacking that landed me my new friend. start mobiluck and leave it running in your pocket. The idea was that if you came within range of smoeone else running mobiluck you'd automatically exchange information. Didn't turn out that well because the author is very controlling and manually generates his keys and the process is a real pain in the ass.
btexplorer is another useful tool that can do snarfing but no bug or hellomoto, it's also not very intuitive, it's more of a semi consolar program.
Use these programs at your own risk. While bluejacking isn't technically illegal, bluesnarfing, bugging and hellomoto is. Not to mention that while bluejacking isn't illegal it can still get you an ass beatin' if your bluejack the wrong person and they see you sitting there in starbucks giggling.. So there is that risk as well.
I'm planning on purchasing a new phone, likely the AT&T tilt.
My family is currently an AT&T customer. They will be adding a new line for me.
Is the best place to purchase a phone through AT&T's site?
Do you recommend refurbs?
Also, I hear that if I do not have a data plan, I could rack up extreme charges.
I want to use Wi-Fi and not 3G Internet to save money. I also want to disable 3G to save battery life.
Upon searching, I see that "Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588" may be able to do what I want. I'm also searching for similar builds. If I get a Tilt, is Dutty's the preferred ROM build, and does it offer what I'm looking for (protection from data charges)?
I also want a nice Touch 3D interface (with the option of enabling or disabling it to save memory/CPU).
As far as my experience goes: I've modified various devices from my gaming systems to my iPod Video. I'm just new to cell phones. I'm here learn and hopefully one day contribute.
PS. Current owners: I've read stories. How is the video quality, really? Will this phone be able to replace my iPod Video 5G 30GB for video playback? Also, will I be required to pay $10/mo for AT&T Navigator, or will GPS work fine without the package?
Sorry for the lengthy post. I'll continue my reading and researching. (been clicking links from the sticky)
I personally delete the network settings to prevent any data charges, or you can look into download Modaco Nodata. Touchflo comes with the Tilt and if you want the cube, there are many versions on here so you'll have to find which you like best. I don't mind the video quality. It's not the best but certainly not the worst; works fine most of the time. It might not replace the iPod in video playback to many people's standards, but it would for me. No you wont be requried to pay for the Navigator, you can get Tomtom or iGO that have pre-downloaded maps.
Ok, so eliminate the "Extreme" data charges you will need to install this:
Modaco NoData - this enable you to toggle the ability to use or not use data connections. (very very useful for roaming and etc.).
Then,
I think only one rom has NoData already cooked in but you can always just download it from the above link and put it into any rom you wish.
For any GPS you will need to pay.
3D Touch interface with the ablility to enable/Disable it - nothing spectacular? Sorry.
All the roms include a Communication Manager in which you can turn off 3G data connections (along with wifi, Internet Sharing, Active Sync, Bluetooth etc.)
Dutty's roms are no longer supported - he has moved his development to the Diamond.
This will not replace your iPod Vid. unless you can find a 30Gb Micro SDHS card - even then, i think the iPod battery is tailored more towards video so it may last longer than the tilt if you plan to watch videos on it.
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I'm planning on purchasing a new phone, likely the AT&T tilt. ..snip..
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You have several answers already - here is my take on it -
1. I purchased my Tilt through AT&T and have not regretted it - you might get it cheaper somewhere else - but if they are selling it there is a reason - right?
2. you can turn off the data capability (as several have already said.)
3. there are many things that you can do with Kaiser Tweak to turn off 3G and other things to preserve battery life - but you will not get (realistically more than one day's worth of battery no matter WHAT you do (since most people have to go in DAY increments and I have NEVER gotten TWO out of it.
4. Dutty's ROMs are no longer supported - look at my signature for one that I think is pretty great - but lots of others will work for you as well.
5. GPS - this is FREE totally - no cost - if you want TeleNAV it will cost per month and that is useless because I need it when my cell does not work and it requires cell to work - the GPS works free with live search and I have TOMTOM which is free monthly but you have to purchase maps.
6. I watch videos on it all the time - works fine - not 1080p but adequate.
Just my opinion.
Bill
You can also use "Kaiser Tweaks" to prevent your Tilt from connecting to the internet. You can always deactivate 3G. To use telenav you need to have a data connection. So the best option would be something like Garmin or Tom Tom or something similar.
Thanks. From what I understand, I have to go ROM hunting. I saw somewhere on the forums a person's signature noting use of Dutty's Diamond on their Tilt. It may have been a typing error. From a geek's perspective, that's great. From a paying consumer's perspective, I'd rather not risk a brick.
As far as video goes, I'm not interested in storage space. 4GB MicroSDHC is fine. It is the video quality I'm mainly interested in.
I'm a TomTom fan, I should investigate this. I'm glad I don't have to pay monthly. Also, I know there are alternate solutions, some with free downloadable maps. In either case, my GPS question has been answered.
As I read, one question popped up in response to the data blocking. Does Kaiser Tweaks require a new ROM, or will it work on a stock Tilt? Also, what about Modaco NoData? I cannot view the page because it requires registration. I'd prefer not to pay for software to block data when the purpose of blocking data is to save money.
Thanks for the speedy responses.
PS. I still haven't heard much about Refurbs. Should I worry, or if I can find a refurb much cheaper, is that the best option?
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Thanks. From what I understand, I have to go ROM hunting. I saw somewhere on the forums a person's signature noting use of Dutty's Diamond on their Tilt. It may have been a typing error. From a geek's perspective, that's great. From a paying consumer's perspective, I'd rather not risk a brick.
As far as video goes, I'm not interested in storage space. 4GB MicroSDHC is fine. It is the video quality I'm mainly interested in.
I'm a TomTom fan, I should investigate this. I'm glad I don't have to pay monthly. Also, I know there are alternate solutions, some with free downloadable maps. In either case, my GPS question has been answered.
As I read, one question popped up in response to the data blocking. Does Kaiser Tweaks require a new ROM, or will it work on a stock Tilt? Also, what about Modaco NoData? I cannot view the page because it requires registration. I'd prefer not to pay for software to block data when the purpose of blocking data is to save money.
Thanks for the speedy responses.
PS. I still haven't heard much about Refurbs. Should I worry, or if I can find a refurb much cheaper, is that the best option?
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You will not brick if you follow instructions.
Modaco NoData is free. it will run on stock.
Vid. Quality is pretty good - but also depends on how you rip it.
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4. Dutty's ROMs are no longer supported - look at my signature for one that I think is pretty great - but lots of others will work for you as well.
Bill
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Just as an aside, let's not sell Mr, Duttythroy down the river just yet. Even though he has moved on, he has left behind some great roms that work great and are supported by many threads.
In response to zeezee and the video quality: In that case, I'll have fun with my encoders. I'll read the forum and do some of my own testing. I usually set up a good profile for various videos on different devices.
About Dutty's ROMs. They do seem a bit dated, but looking at his package set and some features, it's no wonder a lot of newer ROMs are popping up based on his. If anything, I feel I should try a recent one that is Dutty based. Although, If I decide to cook my own later on, I'll probably start with OEM as a base.
I've been reading more, and it definitely helps. I have a comparison of the 2008-06 and 2008-07 ROMs going on. I may put my results on my site. Thanks to all the chefs for the good ROMs.
For those using cooked ROMS: I see a lot of Touch Diamond ROMs out now. I know some work on the Tilt, with or without keyboard fix. Is that what I really want though as a Tilt user? Are there more Tilt-catered ROMs? Looking at it, I see Jacks V2 Full, WM6.1 ROM _ Ryncppr Version V6, L26_KaiserDiamond_V9, and HyperDragon III.
For audio listeners: Did any Tilt user find an adapter to use normal headphones? Did you decide to get bluetooth stereo headphones (expensive and use battery)? What are my choices? I'd assume since it's WM 6.1 I can play just about any video or audio out there with the use of other media players and creativity on my own part (yay for encoding).
PS. Happy 4th of July to those who celebrate it!
iXneonXi said:
For audio listeners: Did any Tilt user find an adapter to use normal headphones? Did you decide to get bluetooth stereo headphones (expensive and use battery)? What are my choices? I'd assume since it's WM 6.1 I can play just about any video or audio out there with the use of other media players and creativity on my own part (yay for encoding).
PS. Happy 4th of July to those who celebrate it!
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There are many mini usb to 3.5mm adapters out there, but they are all still rather bulky.
I think you would be better off in the long run with quality BT head phones. But shop wisely , not all headsets play music, some just answer calls.
P.S. Yay freedom : Yay America
One question in addition to the above: I understand Internet will be blocked when using NoData. Will that prevent me from using the IM and MMS feature on my Messaging Unlimited plan?
I ask this because my brother is WIX Blocked and can only send SMS, but we pay for messaging which includes IM and MMS in addition to SMS.
iXneonXi said:
One question in addition to the above: I understand Internet will be blocked when using NoData. Will that prevent me from using the IM and MMS feature on my Messaging Unlimited plan?
I ask this because my brother is WIX Blocked and can only send SMS, but we pay for messaging which includes IM and MMS in addition to SMS.
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you will not be blocked from using MMS or IM if you are using NoData
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Just as an aside, let's not sell Mr, Duttythroy down the river just yet. Even though he has moved on, he has left behind some great roms that work great and are supported by many threads.
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Oh i didnt mean it that way, Dutty's roms are very nice, i was running the hybrid for a while there
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you will not be blocked from using MMS or IM if you are using NoData
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I'm curious how NoData works compared to other methods.
Is it a software block? Does it disable portions of the hardware? How does it allow the IM while preventing other applications including Internet from being used? I'm under the assumption that IM is simply another app which communicates the same as the browser.
A link to a good thread, tutorial, or info page would be nice. The previous one linked asked me to login. It may have been a simple copy/paste error.
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I'm curious how NoData works compared to other methods.
Is it a software block? Does it disable portions of the hardware? How does it allow the IM while preventing other applications including Internet from being used? I'm under the assumption that IM is simply another app which communicates the same as the browser.
A link to a good thread, tutorial, or info page would be nice. The previous one linked asked me to login. It may have been a simple copy/paste error.
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It changes registry settings.
The page is a forum and the software is on a thread.
I'm searching around for threads. Are there any "what ROM do you use" polls for Tilt users? Are those discouraged here? I'm trying to get an idea of popular and successful ones.
gps for free
To add a detail: I use google maps on the tilt. You need to download and run "gpst test", which you launch just before starting google maps... apparently, so I read here, google maps can't initialize the gps, it has to already be running...gps test does that for you. Then, launch g-maps, and on the bottom right, pull up menu, and check "use gps". Unfortunately, you need to do this everytime.
The use of gmaps is intuitive. It is NOT nearly as good for finding directions, and driving along, as ANY other gps I have used... it lack simple features linke "track up", for example, always being north up. BUT, it is free...you don't need to load the maps on the phone, it pulls them from the web, along with satellite and traffic data, if you wish. I find it is also more accurate than some other gps databases I have in terms of showing where a certain business is located.
I think yahooo may have a similar product, but I have not tested it.
MIke
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I'm searching around for threads. Are there any "what ROM do you use" polls for Tilt users? Are those discouraged here? I'm trying to get an idea of popular and successful ones.
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Personally i love ROMeOSv2.3, very very stable and run light.
Here is a link if you need it: http://www.mindsofwisemen.com/fileso/other/ROMeOSv2.362808MMs.zip
I'll look into the ROMeOS version.
How does it perform in the "eye candy" department?
Thanks for the google maps info. I want something slightly better, so I may go towards paid software.
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I'll look into the ROMeOS version.
How does it perform in the "eye candy" department?
Thanks for the google maps info. I want something slightly better, so I may go towards paid software.
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Well, "eye candy" its light and simple, i enjoy it
How is it in terms of speed including but not limited to 3D support?
Hey i just recently found WIMP (Where Is My Phone) program and installed it on my ATT Tilt and it some what works...some times it finds my GPS location and sometimes it doesnt. But i just found a program called Remote Tracker. I have read that people like it and people have issues...but what i would like to know is which one is better between Remote Tracker and WIMP? Does anyone have the answer to that?
first time i've heard of remote tracker.
I've tried out wimp and ultimate theft alert and from the two i like UTA alert over wimp.
ALso if u google wimp vs uta you'll find a couple relevant posts.
I just found out there are 2 more security apps like this; Sprite Terminator and Mobile Justice
If i had time i'd try them all out and do a write up :/
yea i know about UTA i was thinking about trying it but no one has the keygen for the update when you update it so i didnt get it....and does UTA always get a gps location or is it like WIMP and just sometimes?