I think if the battery life is so small, all the spacial functions like WiFi, GPS, video, movies are useless for example for a person that are not carrying an extra battery like me....
I have turned off wifi, 3g and so on to preserve mu battery...
So every time I want to wifi-ing, or GPS-ing like 20-30min I'm scared that I will got in the middle of the day with battery down and phone off....
So like that I'm avoiding to use all the nice features of the Tilt
What you think about it?
I think you're bored with killing kittens in the dark.
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I think you're bored with killing kittens in the dark.
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I'm not bored, I have it for a month, and I realized it!
Hi There...
You can do what I do... Whenever I use the GPS, I have it plugged in my car charger (I have one of those USB adaptor things and just use a retractable data cable).. I bought my Tilt used, had it well over a year now, and still have the original battery.. I typicalyl get 2 to 3 days use before I have to recharge... and I use Wifi quite a bit (my carriers internet services are great for TomTom and such.. but too slow for streaming or anything that needs broadband)... I dont; charge it though unless it is udner 5% usually.. if it is close, I will play some graphic intensive games liek Worms World Party for a while to get the battery down where I like to charge it at... When in the car, I always use the charger because I don;t think it really charges it while TomTom is running.. Usually I still have WiFi on.. when that kicks off the Wireless GPRS interent kicks in... and then with the GPS chip... and got the screen on BRIGHT when it is in the car... It uses the power at about the same rate I am using it (atleast thats my logic) The battery always seems to be at about hte same point it was when I first plugged it in give or take a few perfect if I have been using it for hours on a road trip...
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Hi There...
You can do what I do... Whenever I use the GPS, I have it plugged in my car charger (I have one of those USB adaptor things and just use a retractable data cable).. I bought my Tilt used, had it well over a year now, and still have the original battery.. I typicalyl get 2 to 3 days use before I have to recharge... and I use Wifi quite a bit (my carriers internet services are great for TomTom and such.. but too slow for streaming or anything that needs broadband)... I dont; charge it though unless it is udner 5% usually.. if it is close, I will play some graphic intensive games liek Worms World Party for a while to get the battery down where I like to charge it at... When in the car, I always use the charger because I don;t think it really charges it while TomTom is running.. Usually I still have WiFi on.. when that kicks off the Wireless GPRS interent kicks in... and then with the GPS chip... and got the screen on BRIGHT when it is in the car... It uses the power at about the same rate I am using it (atleast thats my logic) The battery always seems to be at about hte same point it was when I first plugged it in give or take a few perfect if I have been using it for hours on a road trip...
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Good, but I walk in mountains w/o a car , or wifi-ing on the street so..
What radio are you using? You may need to change to a less energy-intensive radio to preserve battery life. Keep the screen only as bright as you need it, as a really bright screen will drain the battery. Also, put the phone on lock and then turn it off to keep it from coming back on when you're not using it. I'm easily able to get a day or two from my battery by doing all of this, and I use the phone a lot.
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What radio are you using? You may need to change to a less energy-intensive radio to preserve battery life. Keep the screen only as bright as you need it, as a really bright screen will drain the battery. Also, put the phone on lock and then turn it off to keep it from coming back on when you're not using it. I'm easily able to get a day or two from my battery by doing all of this, and I use the phone a lot.
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PC ultimate v 11
radio 1.65.16.25
when I'm with turn off mode (push the off button to turn off monitor) it can last 3-4 days, but when I use it, like, call-5min or music-5min or gps-10min it goes down like 15% and simething like this (beem a bicture to PC - down 3-4%, and so on)...
Check your battery, ROM version,...
With heavy use I can last a whole day (3G connected all the time, maybe 30mins of browsing, 1-2 calls, 3 hours of music, 30mins GPS), with light use 2-3 days.
Maybe try flashing a different radio, to see if a different one improves your battery life. I recently went to a new ROM, and have tried five different radios to find the one that gives me great reception, but doesn't drain my battery in a few hours. Three of the radios drained my battery so fast that I was running out of power in the middle of the day. Another radio had poor reception. My current radio seems to be giving me good reception without draining the battery so quickly. It all depends on what works for your ROM, device and location, so it's trial and error until you find what works best for you.
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Maybe try flashing a different radio, to see if a different one improves your battery life. I recently went to a new ROM, and have tried five different radios to find the one that gives me great reception, but doesn't drain my battery in a few hours. Three of the radios drained my battery so fast that I was running out of power in the middle of the day. Another radio had poor reception. My current radio seems to be giving me good reception without draining the battery so quickly. It all depends on what works for your ROM, device and location, so it's trial and error until you find what works best for you.
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I have start a battery logging so after wile using/sleep time I can post a mA data to suggest me if it is ok
here you can see my battery log:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11729584/Battery-log
I used the phone like 2min-video klip, then suspend 10min, then 5min-gpd and 5min-wifi and the result is ~17% down
is it normal?
Redo the same, but starting with a fully charged battery, and run the battery down completely until the phone turns off. It's the only way of judging how your battery performs, not just drain it a few percent as it means nothing at all. Percentage is not of absolute precision, especially if you rarely do full cycles to your battery, it's common to have the meter go down fast the first bit, then stay at 10 or 20% for several hours. Posting the same kind of log would be good.
Other than that, current consumption looks normal.
it's all about tradeoffs i suppose. i don't know of any other device of the same size that does all the things the kaiser does, that has a significantly improved/better battery life. the GPS my nokia 6210 navigator which i use as a backup phone/GPS does last slightly longer, but not all that much.
if you need something that lasts a whole day or whatever on battery, then the best bet apart from getting another battery is probably a dedicated device for that particular activity (GPS unit/netbook/whatever). but then it may not do some of the other things.
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I've been researching this phone and I really like it so far, but I have a question about the battery.
I've read about the battery lasting something like 9 hours or so.. now my question is that 9 hours while constantly in use?
For example if I leave my house at 3:00 PM with a full charge hang out with my friends, end up at a bar at night, and I maybe talk for 20 minutes, send 5 txt messages and barely mess with the phone, will the phone dying around Midnight?
With that type of light usage it can last a day or even two deopending on how you config. & the radio you use.
The +or- 6-8 hours is with wifi, BT, 3g data usage, gps, etc...
I make it about half the day(5-6 hours), but I've got AgileMobile running all day using 3G connection so I'm assuming I'm running normally. This is greatly improved by switching off 3G(adds another 2-3 hours). I put maybe 15-30 minutes of calls on my phone a day, it's mostly a mobile web browser and instant messenger.
To get through a full day for me I charge the phone in my jeep while driving to / from work, and most days I eat lunch out so I charge it then as well.
Thanks for the replies. I will probably have all data connections turned off, and won't run GPS on days like that.
I really dig this phone, I just got a little worried about the chance that I won't go home after some heavy drinking and won't have a phone to use in the morning...
Also, I just read on a website review from Laptopmag.com that said "We left a fully charged Tilt on over a long weekend, and when we returned, the unit still had three out of four bars of battery life"... What do you think?
Well I think if you upgrade to wm6.1, you should gt alot better battery life.
I was sick (in bed most of the day) yesterday so I took my phone off charge at about 7am in the morning.
I sent some messages, surfed the internet with hsdpa for about 3 hours (and this is in a bad signal area, which means more battery consumption)
then did some wifi (20mins)
and a bluetooth recieve or two.
I just checked the battery level this morning (8am) and I still had 57% left. I was abit surprised because I thought it will have drained by now like it did with wm6. The point is wm6.1 has a lot better battery life. So for maxumum battery life you should upgrade.
Just my 2 cents
Battery life...
Hi I have had the kaiser for not long really... there's a neat program that tells you what is the drain, of the battery...
well if you are not touching it and not doing anything it drains about 6-10ma, so based on that yes, it can last for a looooooooong time, now when you call it goes to 200-400ma, so yes it drains more battery there. ( as you would think it would )
then again you can have the backlight to low, to use less battery, also, turn the screen off when not using it, and change the radio an a lot of hacks.
based on my experience using EDGE, the GPS, the screen, playing a game, sending some mms, and talking, it can really kill your battery in no time.
but you can also well get a car charger ( be carefull with those ) or a better battery, because to be realistic the one that comes default really sucks...
I have seen people talking about a 3000mah battery so that could really drive the phone for a loooooooong time, better think about other issues, like how sucky the camera is... ( maybe with the video drivers we are wating for this will get fixed ), also well, sometimes the performance is not that good, ( also video drivers I think ), besides that, and if you don't mind like I do, to have to wait for a few seconds to get things going on, the phone is a real jewel, if you live life in the fast lane, well maybe that second to open the keyboard will kill you
TC !
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or a better battery, because to be realistic the one that comes default really sucks...
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which one do u recommend? also where can u find this battery?
thanks
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Seidio 1650 battery and the Mugen 1500 batteries seem to be good oem size batteries from I have read. THere is a thread on the Kaiser Accessories board about batteries.......
I had a similar experience with excessive current consumption in standby, likely caused by the GPS though it is off (see Post "TyTN II / Kaiser issue: GPS & battery drain").
Perhaps you should install "BatteryStatus". Make yourself familiar with the battery current display, and try to figure out how much power your device draws.
Another nice test is, switch all units off (phone, WLAN, Bluetooth, GPS, really everything). Make sure no program is running (TaskManager). Leave the fully charged phone alone for 5 hours or so. Recheck the battery capacity whether it dropped more than very few percent. If you do not need GPS frequently, you may simply try a soft reset. If you have interesting results, please be so kind and add them to the abovementioned thread, too.
BusterTyTN
i am not seeing what everyones problem with theire battery is? i havent charged my phone in days. last on the weekend, sunday to be exact. i've been browsing the web, specifically posting on these very forums, downloading programs, texting and talking on the phone as i have no house phone, and just getting to know my phone. using the action screen, ultimatelaunch, etc.
now i do notice i go from 100% to 70% in an instant but once i get under 70%, the phone is a champ. im just not seeing the issue. im getting 2 days easy. no car charger. only time i charge is at home, when im headed for bed. maybe its just me
Specs:
HTC rom (2/15/08)
stock radio
Quick menu
home plugin
action screen
home customizer
google maps
pocketcm
Interesting!
Can you provide more details on the ROM version you are using?
Go to Start/Settings/System/Device Information to get that info.
Or if you can post a screenshot of such screen, the better....
However, you failed to mention if you have used the internal GPS at all.... That's when we start seeing poor battery performance... Just after some GPS use and sometimes not even then, but at random GPS uses.
Cheers!
RayanMX
a screen shot of it would be nice
havent used the internal GPS yet.
ROM: 1.62.502.0
ROM date: 1/17/08
radio: 1.27.14.09
protocol: 22.45.88.07h
i get nearly 50hrs with my tilt.. no gps but push is active and bout 200 txts a day maybe 2h of phone calling now.. i drained it down to 0% twice b4 doing full recharges now battery seems to be good. also my screen brightness is set to the 3rd notch.. 30%.
i think the old battery (the one that had plastic on its back) had better life than the new one (the one with a solid aluminium plate) this is my second tilt, and i liked my frist one a lot more..
on my old tilt my GPS worked indoors, and the batterylife was a lot like yours due to the battery.. i get down to about 60% now at the end of the day instead of the previous 70%
the newer tilt just improved the USB plug, the battery (now it doenst get hot), and the keyboard.
I really am starting to wonder about this. I have a TyTN2 and I installed the new Google Search bar for the home screen. I saw a huge difference in how quickly the battery would die. I'm convinced this GOogle search bar was the culprit.
Now I'm wondering if I disable the really awesome HTC interface if the battery will go up accordingly. Worth a shot.
htc home is a battery sucker.. try PDC project digital clock its very easy on batt
well mine does drain a bit, mainly w/ gps.
I wonder what your doing with it? just leaving the phone on? ive got 2 days without using it. Usually mine is streaming stereo music at least and logged into irc all day, ive just been bringing my plug everywhere with me.
Do the new 6.1 roms do anything to fix this?
Also working in the cellular world, (im sure you guys know this already) if your phone is searching for signal where you are most of the day your battery will drain really fast also. When i get somewhere w/ no signal for the phone i shut that part off.
What makes a big difference is the setting of backlight. Just to see the difference, try navigating with TomTom with brightness level 0, and test it with the maximum amount. Same goes for browsing the web. The backlight consumes a lot of power. A lot of people aren't mentioning the backlight setting, so it's really hard to compare these devices with each other. So closet410, what backlight setting do you use? And maybe you should be more specific about the phone call durations, time you browse with it, etc. Some people are calling 2 hours a day or more with it, and some not even 10min in 2 days. So it's a big difference.
u guys r forgetting the most important factor, are u in a 3G area? i have tmobile usa, and only have edge, and easily get 2 days with moderate/heavy use. ive put my wifes atnt sim into my tilt, and honestly was not impressed with the increased surfing speeds. tethering is night and day difference, but not worth the insane battery drain if ur not gonna be tethering..
omar
try using WIFI on full performance... that shu kill it in about 4 hrs...
this is all basic stuff people if you dont use 3G, wifi, GPS it will last for ever! As soon as you use any of those or all at the same time your screwed. also phone calls are the worst second is wifi then GPS and the 3G
i dont use wifi/gps or 3g
I think worse is 3g.
I can listen streaming radio thru WiFi and wireless bluetooth headset for 10 hours
and just 3 hours over 3g connection
3g connection would kill the batt fast but then again if you think about it. if you are going to pay for it everymonth you might as well use it. or else the money is just going to waste. sometimes i am hesitant when turning off my 3g becuase when i start surfing again i always forget to turn it back on
no phone calls since i made the thread. just playing around with the cube for about an hour and a half. backlight setting at 15 seconds. still no internal GPS usage. had a few probelms with the cube last night so i played with it a lot. got it right now. did not charge it last night. today no texts sent and no calls. just checked the time every now and then. sitting at 25%. still havent charged it since sunday. obviously its now thursday. and others are reporting even if they dont use the phone the battery gets drained alot. did i luck up and just get a great phone? i'll keep a running log of what i do starting now. granted it wont be a scientific test but i will just keep track of what i do with th phone.
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3g connection would kill the batt fast but then again if you think about it. if you are going to pay for it everymonth you might as well use it. or else the money is just going to waste. sometimes i am hesitant when turning off my 3g becuase when i start surfing again i always forget to turn it back on
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used kaiser tweaks to set it at HSDPA
closet410 said:
used kaiser tweaks to set it at HSDPA
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HSDPA is amazing, get around 500-750 Kbps connection !
It's "3G" plus some.
Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
Is your battery draining fast?
Get a battery meter and test that because I had a TyTN that did that...
same here original rom wm6.1 NL
Noel M said:
Hi amigos:
I been searching around and I cant find a solution for this annoying thing .
If I connect to my 3G usign my kaiser for more than 10 minutes, the phone is getting extremly warm. I try to put the back light low but doesnt help. I'm usign Dutty 29 apr. Rom and radio version is 1.58.21.23 and I'm in Denmark.
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If I where you I would try a diffrent radio and check what aps you are running in background/prosseses. I often use my kaiser as an wifi router and I dont think you gets close to as warm as mine streaming and charging at the same time I abuse it so hard it resets itself, now thats hot hehe. Anyway, some radio are battery monsters for me, its just about to find the best one for youreself.
I have good experience with: 1.58.25.17 in Norway, havent tried it whit duttys.
If not you can try 1.65.14.06 and 1.65.17.10 wich dutty included whit the release.
To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
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To 2007HHR: Yes the baterry draining fast that is the worst part. what is the purpose for use a battery meter? Its going to solve my battery problem?
Raiisak I will try another radio, hope it will help me, I never experience a phone that will become warm after using it for a long time. Really annoying
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i only experienced this one time when i had my gps turned on for half an hour and my phone turned into a hot potato and battery went from 95 to 15 percent.
u have to realize though that the tilt is sorta like a mini laptop and it will start getting warm after some time unless u give it some rest.
Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
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Well I never experience something like it in a windows mobile before, I will be really interesting to know if this is a hardware failure. Have you guys experience something like this in other htc phones?
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Unfortunately this is almost unavoidable with lithium batteries. My HTC TyTN II battery gets hot while charging, and even hotter if phone is being used (voice or data). It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging (at least they have thermal control circuits, it could explode otherwise, lithium batteries do not like the heat).
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
Hi Vcespon:
THis is horrible, I can't belive with a advance phone like kaiser something like this happen. Is there any firmware that might fix this, otherwise I will thinking to change this phone, this is unacceptable.
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It gets hot to the point that the battery stops charging.
The same happened with my previous phone, from e-ten. A battery got very hot and damaged while talking for a long time. I have used my devices mostly as a PDA, for reading or playing music, but as soon as phone radio is on, it starts getting very hot.
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That's not normal. If it is the case your most likely have a hardware problem. Same to the OP.
Mine also got warm and was emptying the battery in a couple of hours once the radio broke down.
Other than this, the only cases where the phone will get really hot is when using WMWifirouter to route the 3G connection to WLAN and downloading a lot. Both the 3G and WiFi radios being on and working hard, plus the processor doing the routing uses a tremendous amount of power. But the device wasn't meant to be used that way anyway.
The GPS also uses quite a bit of power so if you have that on on you might want to try turning it off.
When just talking on the phone the device should get a little warm but no more.
The battery meter would show how much of your battery is being drained when idle... mainly shut down all applications and see what the reading is and that would give you an idea if the device is defective.
I can tell ya, mine gets HOT. I sent the first one back because I thought it was defective. Also with a couple different roms it makes no difference. If your using 3G, BT, GPS, or any combination of those, that SOB will get hot. If I'm charging at the same time, it gets so hot it shuts the charging proccess down. I have to hold it over a AC vent to cool it back down.
Over all though, the only complaint I have with the phone is the heat and battery drain issue.
dead phone or dead battery
Do not know if this where to post. But my TyTn stopped charging. The phone is completly dead. Right now I'm on vacation in a remote location with out any access to the local AT&T to get a battery quick. But the problem is that the battery is not taking a charge. The red charge light is not on or anything. I left the phone on the charger for two days and nights with no results. I ordered a battery but will not have it untill I get home in another week. I have Dutty's 6.1 5.2.19199 UC Compliant ROM on the phone and I've been using it for about 10 days now. Everything was working fine. The phone was getting warm during GPS useage and when charging. Right now I hope that its just the battery. But in case its not, I need to know what my options are. Is the phone dead? What other measures are there to bring it back to life? Thanks in advance.
I can say from my experience with a tytn and now a tytnII when you use them rigorously , they will get hot. I guess the real question is how hot is it really getting and what is running on the phone. Is it uncomfortable to hold?
On EDGE data with FlexMail and IM+ online, the phone stays ice cold. On HSDPA the same, it gets slightly warm. When talking on the phone with HSDPA, it gets a bit warmer.
When using GPS+iGO8 or TomTom, it gets rather warm. Add charging and it gets pretty hot. I've seen batterystatus show as high as 42C using internal GPS+iGO8+Charging.
Gets hot + doesn't charge from laptop
I've got a similar problem - Kaiser may get hot when being used as a modem and/or charging...., well I've actually had this going on from time to time and wasn't much concerned about it until now: the battery doesn't charge when connected to my laptop - ActiveSync or modem, the amber light doesn't come on, plus drains fast.
The Kaiser(so the battery) is only 3 mths old (although I use it heavily as a modem) and I guess it's unlikely that changing the battery will help here...
My kaiser gets warm too.. I guess it's because I'm hot.
Never mind
HR fixed it...
You also have to remember that these things have a 400mhz processor in them without any fan. Now when your using that processor to the fullest, it IS going to get warm. This is what your going to get from any high performance electronic item without a cooling fan. It's not unacceptable, it's the way it is. 3G, bluetooth, and WiFi can be very processor intensive depending on use, imagine all 3 on at the same time, not to mention the added heat from rapid battery discharge (which is unavoidable when using the radio).
The designers of the phone are no idiots, they designed systems that shut the phone off if it's going to get damaged. So if your worried about the heat cause it's uncomfortable, don't work the sucker so hard! ;-)
Hi to all and thanks for the replies;
My theory is that if you buy an expensive phone you need to exploit until the limit. I bought the kaiser because is a phone that can give me almost any kind of connection and I can be connect online almost everywhere. I can't stand that If I use the 3G connection for 10 minutes the phones gets so warm. I use battery status too and the temperature is like 42F after I use the phone for 10 minutes.
Hi all, I just got my HTC Pure over the weekend and I had a question from those with more experiecne.
First I know (or I think) that the battery life will improve over the next week or so as the battery gets used and charged. Today however was an issue. The phone came off the charger this morning at 100% and then went to work. While at work there is absolutely no signal in the building. (never has been) The only time it was on the network was a 1 hour lunch, and then light internet use for approx 25 minutes this evening. That is all, no calls, nothing, and it had 19% battery left in only 12 hours off the charger.
Again, I am sure that it will improve, but the question is ... does being off the network (GSM) drain the battery faster? Does the phone use a lot of charge "searching" for signal?
I am sure that there are a lot of things that I could do to extend battery life, as a work around (no bluetooth, plug it in to the USB on the computer at work, turn off 3g etc) but I was just curious if someone in the know on how the network and battery use go together if the dead zone is the biggest problem.
Thanks
Not exactly scientific results, but before att put decent coverage in my neighborhood, the battery seemed to drain a lot faster. I guess turning it off would help, but down to 19% that quick just seems ridiculous
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Not exactly scientific results, but before att put decent coverage in my neighborhood, the battery seemed to drain a lot faster. I guess turning it off would help, but down to 19% that quick just seems ridiculous
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Funny enough it is my wifes first smart phone. I was just looking at it to change some things to better suit her needs. When I opened the task manager I discovered that a) the programs would only minimize when the X button was pushed, not close and b) windows Live messenger was loaded. I would guess that even though she was not signed in on live messenger it could have killed the battery. Gonna make a couple of tweaks to ensure that it does not fire up again, and see what it looks like tomorrow.
So today was better, but she seems to have had intermittent service. Her media net indicates that it was connected all afternoon. She burned through 40% battery in the AM and only 18% in the afternoon.
I would imagine that the location services for the weather on the sense home screen as well as possibly push email running out of control searching for the signal. I will turn things off 1 at a time until I find out what is driving the battery loss.
Is there any software to monitor battery use and what was using the battery? There is in android.
O.k. continue to have issues with this phone.
Tested last night. Charged to 100% and then light use. Approx 10% down after 3 hours.
Set commmanagerpro to turn off the data and phone radio during the hours my wife is at work. She called today and the screen is showing that the phone radio is off, but it has lost 90% in less than 4 hours. She also said it is hot.
Maybe her purse is somehow turning the screen on? Would the screen being on without any radios cause the phone to plow through battery?
I am gonna try a battery monitoring app and see if it will tell me anything. Its freekin weird.
What radio version are you running?
You may want to consider flashing to a different Radio ROM.
try to see if there are any TSR, residente program, active, maybe be the the problem...
as far as radio versions the 4.49.25.91, for my exprience run far...
you can try to swcht to other radio version...
I am using the AT&T stock radio. I flashed to the energy ROM, but the battery issue is so extreme that I doubt that the radio or the ROM are the driving factor.
She does have 3 magnets in her purse. 2 magnetic catches on her side pockets and 1 on her wallet. While I could not reproduce the device turning on by itself from the magnets, that does not mean that it is not.
The other thing is that there was some warning on the screen about the GPS signal. I imagine that is a side effect of turning off the radios, but maybe not. Is the GPS always on normally? Would a GPS pop up cause the screen to stay on for possibly 3 hours.
This afternoons test will be having her leave her phone in her jacket pocket rather than her purse. We will see how it goes.
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try to see if there are any TSR, residente program, active, maybe be the the problem...
as far as radio versions the 4.49.25.91, for my exprience run far...
you can try to swcht to other radio version...
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I will look at that radio. I doubt its a program since I had no problems with it at home last night. It has to be environmental. My money is on the purse, but we will see. I'll post later and let you know what we came up with.
There was a few days ago where she lost 60% of her battery in the morning but only 12% after lunch, so that convinces me that it should be something that we can identify and work around.
Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
I had horrible luck with .91 and flashed back to .17.
Symptoms of a bad radio are rapid battery drain and device heating up.
Also, if the device heats up, it will no longer charge until the battery cools down.
If you have AGPS enabled, that was likely your error message when you turned off the radio.
A couple of pointers;
Make sure you monitor which programs are running as you may just be minimizing instead of closing.
Check your power settings and make sure to turn off screen after X minutes
make sure all updates (weather, e-mail, stocks, etc) are set to every hour.
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Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
I had horrible luck with .91 and flashed back to .17.
Symptoms of a bad radio are rapid battery drain and device heating up.
Also, if the device heats up, it will no longer charge until the battery cools down.
If you have AGPS enabled, that was likely your error message when you turned off the radio.
A couple of pointers;
Make sure you monitor which programs are running as you may just be minimizing instead of closing.
Check your power settings and make sure to turn off screen after X minutes
make sure all updates (weather, e-mail, stocks, etc) are set to every hour.
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Thank you for your advise. The biggest area of opportunity from your list for me is the Radio I think.
The rapid discharge of the battery due to a bad flash, would that be location specific? The rapid drain only seems to happen in a spot where she has no signal (thus the reason I programed it to turn off the radio in those hours)
The running program should no be an issue. To prevent that, as a matter of standard setup for my phones, they have a small script that soft resets them every morning a 4am, so that they are fresh and clean for the start of the day.
As for updates, I have adjusted everything that I can, and some did not have any effect (mostly because the radio was off, can't save much more than that).
I do leave the bluetooth on all day. That should not be draining the battery in 3.5 hours though. I have read a lot of the battery life threads and many of the ideas would cripple the phone, and I am not going there. Sure maybe I don't need weather updated every 30 minutes, but I want me email when it comes in, not once every few hours. I also don't want to have to push 20 buttons each time I want to make the internet work. Its this kind of usability that sells iPhones... I hate them, but they really do just work... and my wife wants a phone that you don't need to be an expert to use.
boufa said:
Thank you for your advise. The biggest area of opportunity from your list for me is the Radio I think.
The rapid discharge of the battery due to a bad flash, would that be location specific? The rapid drain only seems to happen in a spot where she has no signal (thus the reason I programed it to turn off the radio in those hours).
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Do you know how to view your radio version? Its listed on the bottom of your phone when you reset, the 3 numbers that display, R is the radio version.
You can go to the radio thread and flash another version, just keep testing different versions until you get one that works well. Radio ROMs will not overwrite your data.
Radio's are definitely location specific in regards to region and carrier.
Borderline coverage is a major battery killer, but you're disabling the radio, which should resolve that issue...
G-Profile is a nice app that allows you to set what type of connection and when.
Bruce Inman said:
Energy's ROM may have included the radio.
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Mine didn't and I used the May 1st update. Still Stock.
If no signal is happening in the building, I would think it's the various things continuously trying to run, like Email, GPS etc. Constant failed attempts to update your phone's apps would definitely drag the battery down in a hurry. I have my email set to 3 hrs. updates along with weather updates. Nothing I do is so important at this point in my life that faster than 3 hr. responses are required. I also don't use things like Tweeter and FaceBook so those aren't constantly eating my battery. I get about 1.5 to 2.0 days from my battery currently.
Here is the current (no pun intended) testing results...
This AM 3.5 hours used 100% of the battery (in the purse)
This PM 4 hours used 21% of the battery (in the jacket pocket)
Gonna try to leave the phone outside of the purse all day friday and see what the results are. Then see how it works around the house on saturday, in a standard limited use type scenerio. Then Sunday put it into the purse and see if it becomes an issue again.
If all of this works out that the purse it the problem, then I will start tweaking it out, and changing radio's etc to get the max I can out of the battery.
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Here is the current (no pun intended) testing results...
This AM 3.5 hours used 100% of the battery (in the purse)
This PM 4 hours used 21% of the battery (in the jacket pocket)
Gonna try to leave the phone outside of the purse all day friday and see what the results are. Then see how it works around the house on saturday, in a standard limited use type scenerio. Then Sunday put it into the purse and see if it becomes an issue again.
If all of this works out that the purse it the problem, then I will start tweaking it out, and changing radio's etc to get the max I can out of the battery.
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So today we left it out of the purse. Here is what we got...
On the table next to the computer, so confirmed that the screen is NOT activating at all. Phone radio off, data off.
AM... used 40% in 4 hours.
Better, but still not good. Gonna try to ensure that the email is set for longer, currently it is set for 10 minutes, and then try to turn off a-gps and the regular gps and make sure that those things are not killing the battery. Then flash a new radio. We'll see how that works next week.
First, test it and watch it over normal, with signal, average 4 hours at home this weekend. I think it will do great... meaning that it is the purse, or the environment that is causing the problem.
I don't know if anyone is following my personal drama, but maybe it will come up in a search some day and help someone.
Here is the saturday update.
Took the phone off charge at 2am and looked at it at 11 am this morning. Used only 2% in those 9 hours. So it is definitely NOT a defective device, or battery. (it actually charges up in only a couple of hours)
So looking into the profile schedule manager that I installed, turns out it has not been running. So the whole purse/no purse thing may be horse hockey still. Monday I will be setting it manually to airplane mode to verify that it holds a charge, then finding a new program to do the scheduling. (looking into phonealarm)
If the radio was on, at full power searching for a signal, it would only last approx 4 - 5 hours at best. So it makes sense that this is what is happening.
Hi. In order to get more battery life are the 21xxx roms are better than the 23xxx roms?I am using the 23669 rom and within 4 hrs of limited internet and phone usage it is drained. Thats why i was thinking of trying the latest 21916rom.
so, now what?
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Hi. In order to get more battery life are the 21xxx roms are better than the 23xxx roms?I am using the 23669 rom and within 4 hrs of limited internet and phone usage it is drained. Thats why i was thinking of trying the latest 21916rom.
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Alright, next time post this stuff in the ROM thread...
Or do you've got an specified question? There are much more "naked" COM3 (start on bottom) ROMS out here that don't drain the battery in my oppinion (try KWBR for example)
Here are a few possibilities for you.
If you recently flashed, it may take a bit for the phone to calibrate the battery meter properly. Try a few power cycles. Drain your battery not quite to dead, 10-20% should do, before fully charging it. Do this a couple of times. Mine always seem to drain a lot faster for the first few days after a flash.
You could try a different ROM, either Energy or someone else. The eye candy is nice but it DOES come at a price.
You could try a different radio with your ROM. Some combinations work better than others. You might have to try a couple to find out what works best for your situation but 4.49.25.95 and 4.49.25.94 both seem to be solid choices.
Turn off 3G and wifi. Both are battery hogs but 3G is worse; use wifi instead of 3G if possible. If you are using push notification for email, turn it off and set it to automatically check every 15-30 minutes instead. If you can live with the slower speed, using GSM instead of 3G will help drastically.
Turn off GPS (location services) if you aren't using it. If you use QuickGPS you should still be able to get a lock in under 30 seconds, usually 10-15.
If you are in an area with poor signal, you will get worse battery life. I'm not sure the exact difference in radio power consumption but it is significant, several times higher with a weak signal.
If your battery has a lot of cycles on it, it could be losing it's capacity. Li-Ion batteries do that, unfortunately, and there isn't much that can be done besides replace it.
If you are looking at battery replacement anyways, you could get a larger battery for your phone. I think there has been some discussion of high-capacity batteries in the Accessories forum.
Get an external emergency charger like the Engergizer Energi To Go (note that you can find it MUCH cheaper). There are a lot of different ones but I have had good luck with the Energizer one. It comes with a pair of Lithium AAs but if you use it a lot, it will work with AA rechargeables too. You can get similar devices with a built in Li-Ion battery but I like the AA ones because you can always grab a couple of Alkalines almost anywhere in a pinch. Duracell makes a similar one. Stay WAY away from it, I had two and they sucked balls.
If it were me I would try flashing a new ROM (task 29 first if you can), new radio (start with 4.49.25.95 if you stay with EnergyROM) and give it at least three days. Turn off unneeded radios, push email, and (if you can) 3G. Get a portable power source like the Energizer one I mentioned that you can keep handy for when it starts to run down.
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Here are a few possibilities for you.
If you recently flashed, it may take a bit for the phone to calibrate the battery meter properly. Try a few power cycles. Drain your battery not quite to dead, 10-20% should do, before fully charging it. Do this a couple of times. Mine always seem to drain a lot faster for the first few days after a flash.
You could try a different ROM, either Energy or someone else. The eye candy is nice but it DOES come at a price.
You could try a different radio with your ROM. Some combinations work better than others. You might have to try a couple to find out what works best for your situation but 4.49.25.95 and 4.49.25.94 both seem to be solid choices.
Turn off 3G and wifi. Both are battery hogs but 3G is worse; use wifi instead of 3G if possible. If you are using push notification for email, turn it off and set it to automatically check every 15-30 minutes instead. If you can live with the slower speed, using GSM instead of 3G will help drastically.
Turn off GPS (location services) if you aren't using it. If you use QuickGPS you should still be able to get a lock in under 30 seconds, usually 10-15.
If you are in an area with poor signal, you will get worse battery life. I'm not sure the exact difference in radio power consumption but it is significant, several times higher with a weak signal.
If your battery has a lot of cycles on it, it could be losing it's capacity. Li-Ion batteries do that, unfortunately, and there isn't much that can be done besides replace it.
If you are looking at battery replacement anyways, you could get a larger battery for your phone. I think there has been some discussion of high-capacity batteries in the Accessories forum.
Get an external emergency charger like the Engergizer Energi To Go (note that you can find it MUCH cheaper). There are a lot of different ones but I have had good luck with the Energizer one. It comes with a pair of Lithium AAs but if you use it a lot, it will work with AA rechargeables too. You can get similar devices with a built in Li-Ion battery but I like the AA ones because you can always grab a couple of Alkalines almost anywhere in a pinch. Duracell makes a similar one. Stay WAY away from it, I had two and they sucked balls.
If it were me I would try flashing a new ROM (task 29 first if you can), new radio (start with 4.49.25.95 if you stay with EnergyROM) and give it at least three days. Turn off unneeded radios, push email, and (if you can) 3G. Get a portable power source like the Energizer one I mentioned that you can keep handy for when it starts to run down.
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Avatar many thanx for your really detailed answer . i will give it a shot.